BEFORE POSTING COMMENTS ON THIS ARTICLE, PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT YESTERDAY'S POST REGARDING MARI LUZ
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By Fiona Govan in Madrid
Last Updated: 2:13am GMT 08/03/2008
Spanish police have identified the body of a girl found floating in a river estuary in southwest Spain last night as that of missing five-year-old Mari Luz Cortes.
Her disappearance less than two hours drive from Praia da Luz in the Algarve had prompted police to investigate whether there was any link to the apparent abduction of Madeleine McCann.
The child went missing almost eight weeks ago on her way back from buying sweets at a shop 200 yards from her family home in Huelva, the provincial capital near the border with Portugal.
The Spanish girl's parents had repeatedly said that they were convinced Mari Luz had been taken against her will on Jan 13 and the McCanns had included her image in a poster campaign to find their own daughter.
Last night the badly decomposed body was spotted in water next to a petrol station jetty around 6pm on Friday. Police identified the child from the clothes she was wearing and her parents were expected to carry out a formal identification last night.
A police spokesman said that an initial examination had shown the child had suffered a serious blow to the head but no formal cause of death was expected until an autopsy could be performed overnight.
Gerry and Kate McCann sent a message of support to Mari Luz's parents.
The McCanns, whose daughter Madeleine has been missing for more than 10 months, said they were "extremely saddened" by the news.
"It's an absolute tragedy for Mari Luz's family," said the McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell last night.
"Gerry and Kate's thoughts and prayers are with them now and through the coming days.
"They had developed a sense of unity with Mari Luz's parents, although they had never spoken directly, as both families were going through similar agonies."
Police sources said Mari Luz's body had on the same pink leotard and boots as the day she vanished. Her distraught parents Juan Jose Cortes, 34, a former professional footballer, and Irene Suarez were last night preparing to formally identifying the body.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wmaddy108.xml
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My grief is immense at learning of the fate of dear little Mari Luz.
Yet the article is implying that she has been dead for a long time, wearing the clothes she went missing in. I hope it wasnt a predatory paedophile but we will have to wait for news.
Unfortunately, this is my greatest fear for Madeleine. And the only thing that has put me off this theory is that a body has not been found. However, the phone call to that lawyer (the one searching the lake) makes the disappearance of Mari Luz very similar to Madeleine's (ie disappearance, quick death and water). It is no wonder that Madeleine's parents are upset by the news of Mari Luz.
What a sick and horrible world we live in.
I live in hope that Madeleine is still alive and will be returned to her parents. I will continue to push aside my fears for Madeleine, and hope for the best, until I know for sure that there is no hope.
Good morning friends, have read the very sad news about Mari Luz and am sickened at the thought of what experiences that poor little child may have endured at such a young age. It is my hope that the monster who has carried out this vile and despicable atrocity is found and severely punished for his terrible deeds. My fear is could this perverted animal be responsible for the disappearance of Madeleine and who knows, maybe other little innocents. What more can I say except to offer all our deepest sympathies to Mari's parents and family. We all know the pain and suffering being felt by Maddies parents and it is heart breaking to now know that Mari's parents will now be sharing that same torment and despair.I feel so hopelessly sad for them and their lovely little daughter.
Hello everyone, just dropped in to see what's doing, will be back shortly, got things to do first.
Rosiepops said...
Morning friends, on this saddest of mornings we would just like to remind you and visitors to our blog that we have a little blog of condolences for the Mari-Luz Cortes famliy on our front page. If you would like to make an entry to show your support, you can access it in the normal way or through this link - thank you. x
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Hi All
I agree with both of you Diane and Alan.
We await the results of today's post mortem and I am just hoping that it is not going to be too bad and by that I think you all know what I mean, without me having to spell it out. I know things could not be worse in the respect that this poor child is no longer in this world or with her poor parents, grandparents and family.
Diane, I understand completely what you are saying and this is my worse fear too and today I find my thoughts of Mari and Madeleine to be mixed.
We continue now to fear the worse but fervently hope for the best, so like you Diane, I am going to shove these thoughts aside and hope for the best for Madeleine and her family and for the family of little missing British girl 9 year old Shannon Matthews too.
Please do not forget about Shannon, as this news must be like a knife in the heart of Kate and Gerry, so it must be for the mother and family of little Shannon and not forgetting Jeremy (Yeremi) Vargas the little boy missing from Gran Canaria, this news must be particularly painful for Yeremi's mummy.
Let's all hope and pray for the best news possible for these parents, who have been and continue to go through so much pain and suffering, pain that no parent should have to go through.
xxx Mari-Luz Cortes xxx
Hi Doby
Great to see you as always. Speak later my friend xxx
Hi All,
Poor little soul…I wonder if there is a link to Maddie? There was DNA found in the apartment away back at the very beginning in Maddie’s bedroom which the police could not identify and it was not from Maddie or McCanns or friends.
Hi Mandz
Had forgotten about that, wasn't it said that this DNA belonged to a European male?
Let's see what happens.
Hi Rosie,
No Rosie it was way before him at the very beginning.
Mandz
So there were two people's DNA found in this apartment?
The more this goes on the more incompetent the PJ are beginning to look.
I hope that when the McCann's get their hands on the files of this case from the PJ, that they make them public, so the whole world can see what they have done here.
Madeleine Parents Set To Sue Newspapers
Alistair Bunkall
Sky News reporter Updated:14:10, Friday March 07, 2008
Lawyers for Kate and Gerry McCann are considering taking legal action against British newspapers whose coverage they feel to have been incorrect and unfair.
Principally they are looking at the publications in The Express Group: The Daily Express, The Sunday Express, The Daily Star and The Daily Star Sunday.
Clarence Mitchell, the spokesman for the McCann family, confirmed that their lawyers were in discussions, but denied that any writs had yet been issued.
"It's wrong to say that we're actually suing, but our lawyers have been assessing all articles, in all papers.
"We are extremely unhappy with The Express Group's coverage. We always said it was the worst amongst all the tabloids."
He also added that the figures that have been quoted in the media are wildly speculative and that The Express Group had made no initial offer for an out-of-court settlement.
Under UK law, the McCanns and their lawyers have a year from the publication of an article to decide whether they wish to take legal action against its content.
It is thought that in the case of the coverage they are assessing, that year would be up some time in mid-May, and a decision must be taken by then.
Clarence Mitchell denied the family were taking this action because the Find Madeleine fund was running low.
He said: "Yes, it's true that the fund is roughly half-way spent, but the main thing we require is an apology."
He added that any money won as a result of legal action would go straight back into the fund.
If any newspaper publishes an untrue, slanderous article they should be sued. If the McCanns sue - good on them. If everyone sued the newspapers for defamation when defamed, then they'd stop defaming people. So sue, sue away. We all know it won't bring Madeleine back, but the injustice in this whole thing is not just Madeleine's abduction, it's also the way the McCanns have been implicated in her disappearance by the Portugese Police and the lies and half truths published on an international scale by an unscrupulous media. If the money goes into the Find Madeleine fund, then that's even better. Hopefully it will end up being used to actually find that beautiful little girl.
Posted by Elizabeth from Middle East
Just going out, but wanted to let you know that as usual I have been accused of making anonymous posts on Alsabelia's blog. The idiots, if I have anything to say to them I say it under my own ID as they know perfectly well and as I have just done, of course my post will be deleted as Alsabelia thinks that free speech is only free if it agrees with her!
Here it is see you all later.
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Rosiepops said...
Actually ratonthebeam, I came to read this blog and I will make a comment under my own ID as I am not scared to do so and unlike you, you miserable cow-ard, I have the courage of my own convictions and I will make my comments under no guise of anonymous! I will say what I actually believe in, as I have always done, not that it will do any good on here because your leader Alsabelia, will only delete this post anyway, so much for free speech eh?
Your torrent abuse against the McCann's even on this day is so boringly predictable. Post after post here has lined up to try and do harm to two people, whom you do not even know.
You don't care about Madeleine and you do not care about Mari-Luz either, if you did none of you would have this spectacle on display for all to see. Why not take a few minutes to go back and read what you people have written and then try to see it through the eyes of an outsider looking in, what do you think they will see? sweetness and Light? respect for two sets of parents in such great pain?
No, all they are going to see is venom and spite and your resident nutcase 2345 trying to pin Mari's disappearance on Metodo3 or her father and this mad woman's accusations started coming not a full half hour after the news of Mari-Luz broke.
For heaven's sake Alsabelia show some decorum and self respect and remove these posts.
08 March 2008 13:00
Hi friends
it is hard, even if you are an empathatic person, to be able to take in what the families feel, in such situations.
All we can do, is show solidarity and empathy to help them carry their cross.
I also hope, as a side issue, that tabloids and posters will be sued,for we simply cannot allow this media thing to happen again.
I went to Portugal one year, with a mother whose child had suffered sudden death,in that year, but had been with them the previous year.
She needed to go back to where they had stayed and just check that their daughter was not there.
This was a part of the grieving process, but poor K and G, who do not yet know what they are dealing with, cannot easily do that, because they were hounded out, by the cruel tongues and boos of vicious people, fed by the tabloids.Even the priest was brought into it.I tell you, I will never visit that country again.They had the support of very many decent people there, but there were enough of the other type to fill me with despair.
Neither can people claim the moral high ground [alsa crew ], when they are so selective in their compassion, enjoying putting in the knife to a grieving couple, where the Portugese Police seem to be still composing the questions.
it is all rubbish and they are accusing the Mccs,because they are wicked, vicious,idle people.
They are certainly carrying no flag for respect and decency over there.
I am afraid that a lot of it is voyeurism too, in my view.
The De are running a thread about what people think about the Jersey situation.
What the hell are we meant to say ?
Any decent person is outraged, but what is there to say?
The De owner runs porn mags, doesn't he ?I hope he pays through his pocket and the money given to children's charities.
In this vacuum,created by the ridiculous secrecy laws [unless you are PJ ,]a whole industry has been at it,weaving conspiracies and daring to have opinions on other people's body language.
To compound people's agony and grief, with the human rights abuse suffered and being suffered by the Mccs and the cruel words of the likes of 2345, who is a disgrace to humanity, fills me with despair.
Well, we will not let them grind us down.We need to be fair and humane to everyone.
Well, got that off my chest !
Regards all.
Well said Rosie!!
Melbel and Rosie
Well said to the two of you!
Hi there Rosie, Mandz & all.Read your post Rosie and it describes the situation perfectly. I have always said that these people are not interested in Madeleine, or her parents even, the fact is that their incessant insults, badgering and nonesensical and evil accusations against Kate and Gerry is just a vicious game, a form of sadistic entertainment without which their pathetic and meaningless lives would be empty and completely meaningless. But rest assured their day of reckoning is nigh. Those having stuck their necks out that little bit too far may soon find themselves having to sell their houses to pay off enormous costs and damages!And the sooner the better!
A very true and down to earth post Melbel, well said!
Hi Doby and well said! Straight to the point!
Mellbel!
I hope the McCann’s sue because the newspapers have gone too far making money out of this little girl and if her fund is lowering then money should go straight into “her fund”.
The newspapers have made up stories about stories about stories and so forth.. They need to stand up and take account of their lies about this little girl and her heartbroken parents. The McCann’s are psychologically damaged which the newspapers are aware of. They are pushing this couple over the edge..All this couple wanted was for the media to help find their daughter they so desperately need and want back but they do not deserve this. No parent deserves this when a tragedy like this has happened.
The only way forward to stop this is to sue.
Hiya Doby and Mandz
How ya doing today?
Hi Sassy!
Not bad thanks and you….?
I have workmen in who are driving me mad with another cupa luv…!
Hiya Mandz
Fine thanks. Did my stint at the animal home today - it was pouring with rain and I ended up with mud up to my neck!
The people who work their full-time laugh at me when I come back with the dogs. Actually if I come back home and can actually bend my clothes then I reckon the dogs have had a bad time with me! They love playing, so that is what we do!
Doby loved your post and so very true. This is some sadistic game to them. They have jumped on the “hate bandwagon” just for the hell of it. Well what goes around comes around..
"What goes around comes around"
Let's hope so, eh!
Sassy,
Well that sounds cheaper than going to a health farm! You always appear to be on the go! Do you ever rest..?!
Yup
Usually in front of the computer in the evening! Exactly when I don't want to. That's the reason why I hardly ever say goodbye to anyone - cos I'm not conscious!
Teehee!
Excuses excuses..!!
Mandz
You've rumbled me!
Hi
Another flying visit, before I nip out.Agree with all you guys.
I just peeped at A's site,which I just read for news from Portugal and her article of the day, from Portugal Diario, says that time limit for extending Mcs case, can only happen once and then its charges or clearing them [my interpretation ] Is that mid April then?other than that, the RTP news apparently said that locals were concerned that two other missing girls in last decade were found in the river, with gashes to forehead.
That is so sad, if true and poor Mari was not the first.
The dreadful monster, who abducted madeleine,must think all his Christmases came at once when idiots swallowed this tabloid stuff.
2345 is obviously barking and I pick up the vibes that everyone else on there thinks so too, apart from 2345.
He or she thinks M3 involved , because some news about poor Mari, got to the UK press.Well, if it is not Masons or Gordon Brown involved, it is some other tosh.
That 2345 needs help and fast.
I know you can all read for yourselves!I am just a silver surfer.catch you all later.
Hi Melbel,
One of the things that concerned me and continues to do so, is the true criminal in all of this is getting away scott free.
While the PJ have been busy protecting their Tourist Industry and blaming just about everybody but themselves, this creature is still out there somewhere and it frightens the life out of me.
I just pray another child doesnt have to go missing because of their pig headed refusal to admit they do have a big problem out there.
Hi Melbel
Must congratulate you on some fantastic posts as usual. I agree 2345 is off her trolley, perhaps her friend notdoc should prescribe some time off of these blogs before she loses the plot completely?
Just thought you may like to see what the vacuous 2345 has written now.
Not sure how long we can leave this up as the content is obviously libellous. see what you think.
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2345 said...
gina,
Metado 3 are 'underworld operators' who reportedly use illegal methods. They're linked to Marie's parents and the obvious source for DE's articles on Mari's 'disappearance' and parents' interviews. CM is the McCanns 'journo' and PR orchestrator for undermining PJ.
Gypsies code of conduct is akin to Tapas 9's 'pact of silence'. Mari's parents have individually made bizzare comments printed in DE. 7 days after Mari disappeared her mother said she had "no hope of her being found alive" whilst in the same sentence said to Kate "never give up hope of Madeleine being found alive". Very recent DE report was that the police had found a child - father's response to 'journalist' was "she can hardly speak and is barely recognizable having been malnourished for 45 days". Did he go and check, apparently not, McCann style.
Time of death - before or after the police were called ? Body is reportedly very badly composed.
Has the body been in water since the time of death or placed there more recently ? Did the police receive a tip off regarding location ? Or was the body seen by someone with absolutely no connections to Metado 3 and/or the gypsy population/relatives etc.
Mari's parents comments and behaviour strongly suggest a performance as opposed to grief stricken parents of an abducted daughter. They were likewise stated as being 'devout catholics'.
Forum opinioning monitoring led CM to try and distance the connections.
FSS information showed Madeleine died prior to her parents phoning PJ. They've 'reconnected' to Mari's parents to offer sincere condolences for their child who died some time ago. Mari's death raises as many sinister questions as Madeleine's. Replicated performances .... 12.35 p.m.
08 March 2008 12:33
2345 said...
The Dam :
Brainwashing technique - Mari was found in water therefore Madeleine's non existent abductor disposed of her in water.
FSS information released by the Police show Madeleine was not abducted; she died in her parents' apartment on or around 3 May. The parents arranged and executed body disposal with the help of at least two others. 12.40p.m.
08 March 2008 12:38
Think we're in the Twiglet zone (that's the only thing ROTB ever wrote that cracked me up!). Stumbled into a comment box earlier which wasn't where it should have been and then the page disappeared again!
Vile's bleugh had the same problem but Alsabella's was still working - thank goodness that vicious Clawdia didn't have to have a break from spewing more venom - her day has been saved.
Anyhow, Google had everything up and running quite quickly - good ol' Googs!
Hey Sass,
Can you imagine if she's like that on the inside, what shes like on the outside, urgh. Maybe being such a nasty human being is the only way she can function.
Tinks
Mystery solved as to why she still lives with mummy and daddy then!
Thanks for that Rosie we can all see exactly what kind of nasty person she really is. Who is she trying to convince…? When did the PJ AND FSS hand her the evidence?? Bumbling buffoon and thick as two short planks comes to mind. I’ve asked her before who gave her the evidence however she “blanks” the questions and carries on with her garbage. She has well and truly stepped over the mark and others and I would not like to be in there shoes.
sassy what were you saying? LOL
Hi Rosie,
That post from 2345 is disgraceful. I'm so glad she doesnt post her rubbish here. IMO all she does is bring that Blog right down into the gutter instead of where it usually is, just hovering above.
Hiya Mandz
Glad we're out the Twiglet Zone!
Hi All and bye for now..
Will try to get back on later...!
Rosie
You came back too soon! Good job I have supersonic deleting fingers!
Bye Mandz
Hope you manage to come back later! You finished makin' cuppas luv?
Hi Mandz,
I read somewhere earlier, (cant for the life of me remember where) but Jane Hill has supposedly confirmed she knows no more than anyone else, what she is reported to have read out was totally unsubstantated.
Hi Sassy!
What a nightmare trying to get on!!
Back laters..
Bye Mandz, I blinked and missed you again :0) Enjoy your Saturday night, going for a Ruby are we ?.
Tinks if she was on our site your post would give her a heart attack…
IMO…Jane Hill has attracted the public fools who believe everything she has said?
What is it that she does…”look into my eyes” “look into my eyes”..2345….Maybe that’s the problem she should have said 123?
Bye....
Well done Tinks! Yes I am!!
I am away this time..!
Barnsley have just knocked Chelsea out of the cup!
Just taking thr dog around the block back in 15 mins
Night Mandz,see they are conspiring to keep us apart, even Google is in on it!
Pss...It's Tinks and Sassy's fault!
15 minutes? We'll see!!!
Tinks
You still around?
Yes Sass, wont be a minute, just making a cuppa!
Hey Sass, are you around now, lol.
Am indeed - I too made a cuppa!
Hiya Tinks,Rosie,Mandz and Sassy
The content of 2345's writings are beyond belief.
That is the trouble with the world wide net.
It gives any nutter the audience they crave and don't get in real life, to spew forth.
Some are creepy wind up merchants, like the dad [hope not for their sake ], but some really believe it don't they ?
ironside and all that frantic sticking and posting, all that verbal diarrhoea and garble.
The one time I accidentally got into Felicity's site recently,there was notdoc complaining about our Mark, desperate to have the last word.One eye opener for me was on the dE forum ,where he was ticking Rosie off, because he thought he had caught her out for supposedly saying she did not go on other forums. What the hell is it to do with him ?
he is clearly losing it .What is that all about ?
I think gina, whose mind you can meet, though I take a differing view, has them all sussed really.
Who is that dreadful val woman?Did you ever meet anyone like that ?
I reckon she carries a candle for the doc.
They think that they shape or reflect world opinion, but they are extremists.Who in their right mind is going to spend all this time on these ridiculous theories ?
Wiser people would just keep their thoughts to themselves, but I am outraged that people can be so b....dy mean and thick.
Look at that weird stalker on super's site .It is totally uncontrollable madness.
Glad you put them right on the Oracle of Portugals's site, which I do read to try to get a portugese perspective.
How would any of you guys,[ who have shown such courage against vile aggressive "badness "for want of a better word]go on there and post anonymously ?
They are paranoid as hell and as mad as hatters.it is March,isn't it?
Most of us had never been on a blog before and I am pleased to be among friends, where you can post and not get shot down.
I remember Old Hippy one time taking such verbal abuse [daily for Rosie ]that she said she felt they were in the same room.
They are bullies, but most of all they are evil bags of wind.
They will slink away in the end.Bullies are always cowards.
I am out later on.
I fel so sorry for poor mari and her family.
The evil ones were giving it full throttle on Daily mail site.
Poor K and G. They just try to give someone a word of comfort and evil,malicious people are on the case,putting wrong interpretations on things.
Poor Mari's parents may have been upset more than they already were by people trying to manipulate them against the Mccs.[tabloid speak only.I have no idea if it is true]
it is like everything else,short on fact. Have a good evening posting.x
Hi and bye Mandz.take care x
Hiya Melbel
Well said. Not so sure GinaM has them sussed though!
It is nice to come here and be able to talk and give an opinion and have your neck wrung for it, isn't it!
Since changing the blog to accept people with Google accounts only, it has made it even nicer. Had to laugh that someone on Alsabella's site was saying we don't allow anonymous comments anymore. She was really nasty about our site (lots of cases of Cherry Blossom poisoning going on there) and was quite bugged about the change to Google accounts, so I think we know who one of the stirrers was!
Have a nice evening!
Hi Melbel,
Its always so nice to see you post.
I've never posted anywhere else, but I did from time to time have a read, for similar reasons to your goodself to get a Portuguese perspective. However it is too bias its unreal so I dont bother now. The only posters particularly at logger heads with each other are UK posters. Strange you never get an opposing view from a Portuguese poster. Athena was possibly the closest for speaking some truths and I did give her respect for that.
Sass, I cant believe someone was nasty about our site. Is it because we have compassion, empathy and a belief in innocent until proved guilty, that its alien to them ?
Bye for now Tinks and sassy.
I have a lot of time for Athena too. She is in a different league from caustic Alsa, spiteful Claudia and the chilling Lightview.,who used to post.
They are on the case for most of the day and night,so must be surely paid and working for the tourist industry or work for or speak to the PJ.
I could never associate myself with such callous and unfeeling people.
I would never post anywhere else either.
Not good for the blood pressure.
Good night pals x x x
Nighty night Melbel!
x
Night Melbel - Take care x
Hiya Tinks
THe innocent till proven guilty thing is their major problem I think! Not only that, the fact that parents do sometimes do stupid things - many get away with it, the McCanns didn't! Those who criticise are all perfect parents (even those who don't have children!!!).
good evening everyone
hope all are well tonight. Just in, but saw that a large number of our posts were copied on Alsabella's site, and criticised for being flippant, re Mari Luz Cortes dreadful news.
I had to post to balance out the fact that we were being lighthearted under a different heading on our blog. I pointed out this gave a very wrong impression and that in fact, we have a dedicated heading for posters to use to send messages to the Cortes family on this awful news.
there is nothing at all wrong with being lighthearted, particularly after the abusive, rude, negative posts sent to this blog, but to misconstrue it as somehow flying in the face of the memory of an innocent child was too much for me to take. I don't know if my post will be there for long, I do hope it is.
I know not one of us feels anything but revulsion at the thought of an innocent child's life being taken by some sick, vile, person/s. No excuse would ever be made for that, and no jokes at all made in face of it. Not at all. I had to set the record straight.
The press were very very wrong to make the McCanns a headline in this story, it is not about the McCanns, nor Madeleine in the major part at all, so the press have a lot to answer for. ;o(((
Good Evening all.
have you read the Disclaimer posted at the bottom of Alsabella's blog? It made me laugh to see how many times her name appears in it.
ha ha ha ha sassyp read your post 1951 or so again.
something like -
It's nice to post here...and have your neck wrung for it.'....
You mean NOT WRUNG SURELY ha ha ha ha
you have clearly had a couple of days like me. I don't know which way up I am at all. I have been standing up so long my joints don't even bend...... ;o(((
Jane. Yes the press do have a lot to answer for. But as per usual the anti's are blaming the McCann's for the press articles.
But then they blame them for everything.
Hiya Jane and Mum21
Well said, Jane. I don't see why certain posters on that site think that they should be the behavioural norm for everyone else to follow.
Jane!
Thanks for letting me know! Will change it now (if I can - not sure how I do that!).
Tinks Re Jane Hill
Just found this for you:
Anonymous said...
Dogmad. I did email Jane Hill and she disputes stating anything as fact. She says she only reported alleged reports regarding the forensic evidence. And not factual evidence because she has never been told or seen what the results of the forensic evidence are.
She states she knows no more than any other reporter.
06 March 2008 14:38
ah Mum21 how are you today???
No, I did not notice any disclaimer.....??
I just saw a huge block of our posts from last night copied, so had to set record straight it was not disrespectful to little Mari Luz.
How are things with you as we have had solid torrential rain for 2 days and garden sunk and muddy. High winds too. Ugh.
~at least snow all gone.
True Sass. There will be a lot of people saying there for the Grace of god go I. There is a fortunate majority breathing a big sigh of relief at the realisation it could so easily have been them, because its the old adage, it always happens to someone else. But lets face it, never in your wildest dreams would you expect your child to be taken from their bed and if a child cannot be safe in their bed, where can they be.
Jane
It'll have to stay for now - Rosie I think knows how to edit it - she went out for a 15 minute walk about an hour ago, so when she comes back I'll ask her!
Hi Mum and Jane
(I'm nit speaking to Tinks and Sassy, they banned me! LOL)
Sass
I'm wuz up notdoc?
I agree Mum21
The McCanns have been blamed forabsolutely everything related or not to Madeleine. It's unbelievable. I have never witnessed a witch hunt like this, not even the Yorkshire Ripper's wife had this..... Despicable.
It's probably their fault it's pouring rin here.....oh dear oh dear.
People criticise this family for things if it were their family, they would get a gun....no doubts. So why do they do it?
As a lot of posters here today on back reading have said, 'what goes around comes around' I do hope so. I also hope I am there to witness it. Beggars belief.
ROSIEPPOPS
Thank you for posting that news re Jane Hill's disclaimer. It needed posting here. I read it but couldn't remember where I had seen it or referred to......so good for putting that up for all to see.
Wonder if 2345 will still use that F word evey post? FFFFFFFFfforrrrrensssiiiiiiiiiiics.
If she is not in a secure place now.
And she's back! What timing I have!!!
banned? Rosiepops? Why?
what have I missed.
but you and we all know what she's like - takes the dog a walk, ha ha not so. The dog takes her, 15 minutes = 2 hours.
But then Sassy falls asleep on the computer when everyone here is shouting abuse. ha ha ha too shattered from work.....you must have a lump head in the morning when you wake up.......keyboard forehead. ha haha ha
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
must be your keyboard secret UK webcam sassyP.....the one you fall asleep on at nights.
Hi all, have had a problem gaining access to the site. Sent you e mail Sassyp. obviously my e mail is different to the one I used in England. Has anyone else experienced problems. Couldn't access this, Alsabella's or that woman's site kept appearing as error 501/2>. Got my daughter to try and access from England and she had no joy also.
seriously for a mo, doesn't a bin appear at end of posts sassyp so you can delete it? or is it an alteration, if so, not a clue....as usual.
Hi Helenm, you're not alone, we've all had major problems logging on. I think the Google server went down.
Talking about DNA evidence and knowing how much that nasty vacuous minded 2345 likes Foooorrrrenssssiiiccccs Mandz found this and sent it to me today:
Do You Like this DNA You fruit cake 2345?
'Mystery DNA' found in Madeleine's hotel room
Published 1st June 2007 - 4:30pm
DNA from a mystery "sixth" person was found in the bedroom where Madeleine McCann was abducted, it was claimed today.
The Portuguese police, Policia Judiciara (PJ), have handed the sample to the national forensic laboratories, the Instituto Nacional de Medicina Legal, according to local newspaper 24 Horas.
It does not match the DNA of Mr and Mrs McCann or their three children, the paper said.
Neither does the DNA match that of the only named suspect in the case, property developer Robert Murat, the paper added.
It quoted a source from the laboratory who said: "There is a new suspect, there is DNA which does not correspond to the family.
"It is an important step in the investigation but the truth is that the DNA collected does not have a name.
"In other words we cannot make any connection between the material collected and the suspects which we already have."
The newspaper said the DNA would be compared to all the evidence gathered by the PJ to see if a match could be found.
ROSIEPOPS
In your psot re Jane Hill denying ffffforrrensics...
the 'I' who emailed her, do you know the identity of the 'I'??? Obviously someone not in total agreement with 2345, well that's all of us, isn't it??
NURSE???? ARE YOU THERE???? NURSE!!!!!!
Hiya Jane
The server was down earlier and noone could get onto the blog (nor onto the other blogs with blogspot.com addresses. Rosie joked that she couldn't get on because we had banned her!
Hi All.
more sad news, have you seen that Carol Barnes has passed away today ?
Such a shame !
ROSIEPOPS AND MANDZ....
Great post re the FFFFForenssiics on dna sent to 2345. But you know she will not be silenced.
She would not even go down under anaesthetic for major op. ha ha
she won't listen, but I liked that post. You can, sadly, never accuse other blogs of having balance however, so only we here will note what it says. GREAT POST.
WONDER IF SHE HAS ANY TEETH??? JUST A THOUGHT.
Hi Jane. Sorry I have taken so long to answer you...but i got distracted for a while. The weather here is windy with rain showers. But tomorrow, seeing as I live on the south coast we have severe flood warnings due to the fact it is the highest tide of the year...plus gale force winds are predicted. So it is quite possible my house could be flooded by a giant wave. Don't think I will be going out tomorrow...the dogs will have to miss their daily walk along the beach.
Rosie, to back up what Mandz posted, according to The Times 09.10.07, traces of Madeleines DNA that were allegedly recovered from 2 Portuguese apartments have failed to prove that she is dead.
It was further reported on the 15.10.07, that police had allegedly failed to identify DNA samples and fingerprints found at the apartment where Madeleine disappeared and they also allegedly could not trace some phone calls made in the area.
Can anyone remember, I think it was around November, it was reported that the investigation was moving back to focus on a local accomplice. Its been bugging me because I remember posting at the time, Oh well we all know who's local!
Hi Christabel. Yes I read the sad news too about Carol Barnes.
Such a terrible shame...and I feel for her family.
I see, google was down I couldn't get on either, so...am I banned too? ha ha ha ha cyberasbo.
only kidding.
Yes, I did see that Christabel re Carol Barnes. So so sad. I lied her a lot. Her daughter dying in that accident nearly 4 years ago really too stuffing out of her I feel. Lovely lady. Will be missed.
It's quiet tonight. Looks like Melbel has signed off before we could chat. shame.
What has happened to Chinadoll as she has not posted for a while. If I remember correctly though, she did not have a google account. Any news of Laz?? He was instranglehold with google a while too and hasn't been since his short release.... ha ha ha
Jane. I noticed Chinadoll has posted on Alsabella's blog recently. Not sure but I think it was today.
Hi Christabel
Yes it is so sad about Carol Barnes and no way did she look 63, she looked amazing. Poor woman she lost her daughter last year in an awful freak accident as well.
TINKERBELL
I read thattoo and had forgotten about it There seems to be so many leads, we see them reported, then nothing, no follow up, n nes, no end. All sorts of beginnings, no middle no end driving us nuts for concrete info. on what has been done. Worrying. Surely phone records must show something up that is proveable? No? It's a huge mess.
Good evening, Ladies. Any one hear about any news on Mari Lus?
Tried signing on earlier but got booted off.
Jane
Love the cyberasbo remark! That's brilliant!
I also thought about Chinadoll not posting and I have sent her an e-mail to ask her if she has a google ID. If not, I will tell her how to get one.
Have they released the autopsy results yet is what I would like to know?
Hiya Calcite
Everyone got booted off! None of the blogs worked, but luckily Google got it sorted quite quickly.
HelenM - by the way, I did write back to you, but I hardly ever look at that account now that everyone is here anyway! I'll have to check it more regularly!
Calcite
No, but I read something about a second autopsy, so it might take a little longer.
Mum21
Chinadoll - can she post here without a google account though? I think I read in a post tonight you can't post without one, and I don't think she has a google account yet. I think she can post elsewhere without one. Off to see if A has deleted my post yet or if I have some bullet wounds......;o(((
cybershots of course. Not that I care.
Evening Calcite, nice to see you.
I havent heard anything more I'm afraid.
YES, AS I THOUGHT MY POST HAS BEEN DELETED. There was nothing at all offensive in it far from it. Not many posts there at all. Very very few.
deleted = FROM A'S S(H)ITE that does not tolerate any opinion bar agreement with her and any sort of balance from her intolerant lies re other blogs. Proves our views were right then.
chinadoll's remains, but not a google account so maybe that's why she hasn't been on.
Tinks
No I haven't heard anything more but do remember the reports.
This is the whole trouble with this investigation, these secrecy laws have impeded it, those coupled with the PJ incompetence what hope was there?
If I were Portuguese I think I would be absolutely furious and I would not be blindly supporting the PJ and trying to make out they are so perfect and can do no wrong. The thing is that all police forces make mistakes of course they do, but the PJ never seem to learn from theirs and that is the bog difference.
It seems to me that many Portuguese people appear to be scared of the PJ for some reason, even Robert Murat's friends was scared that the PJ would frame him and this is why he gave Murat a false alibi!
It sounds like the investigation when the PJ's get to England will be much more than just the 3 friends. Now supposedly, it's all 7 friends, some other witnesses, etc. Also heard they wanted Kate's diary again.
I think it is disgraceful the way this invetigation and the previous investigation was carried out.
I can see if anyone gets charged: we'll have the diary, the PJ's wives because after all they believed Kate wasn't reacting like a normal mother should, the dogs, the psychics - it'll be like going to the circus.
What a disgrace! Now, do any of you really want to hear how I feel???
hello calcite
I haven't heard any news re Mari Luz at all yet.
Sassy P. glad to say I now have another cyberASBo my badge of 'honour' from A;s,,,,as she deleted my very polite post with no confrontational opinions, just correcting her on something and she has pages of our posts from here. So much for the 'any polite posts will be published on my blog. don't worry'.
C R A P......
Oh no Chinadoll have we locked you out? Sorry China, can you get a Google account? We miss you. It's simple to get one, I managed it so it must be simple!
Seems like little Mari's parents not best pleased with police.
Translated version.
http://translate.google.com/translate?sourceid=navclient&hl=en&u=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eelpais%2ecom%2farticulo%2fespana%2fHUELVA%2fnina%2fasesinada%2fHuelva%2fmurio%2fgolpe%2fpocas%2fhoras%2fsalir%2fcasa%2felpepiesp%2f19910428elpepinac%5f4%2fTes
you can't publish how you feel here, CALCITE as it's how we all feel. Hopeless and Helpless and furious that in this day and age this can be allowed to happen. It is frankly barbaric .... no other word for it. The fear re the PJ was obvious from the very start, as remember Murat's mother had a stall on 4 May asking that people 'too afraid' to speak to PJ tell her any info re M. ......!!!!!
Now - doesn't that say it ALL?
jane - what did you correct Alsabella about?
Hey China, if you are looking in, it really is easy to get a Google account. I managed it and if you think you are bad I'm worse!
Hi Calcite
re the diary, I wouldn't pay too much attention to it, I think this is something the PJ have deliberately leaked to try and worry the McCann's, stupid isn't it?
The diary what is that going to prove? In all honesty? Kate did not even start keeping the diary until after Madeleine went mossing, she was advised to keep one to show Madeleine when she was returned.
So she said Madeleine was a handful? So flaming what? My three were a handful too, does that make me a killer?
The PJ make me sick with the stupid games they play.
Then again it could be just invented to pad out the story in the paper and let's face it, this would not be the first time this has happened is it?
Christabel
I read about that too. They apparently told the police to check out the area that Mari Luz was eventually found in and the police didn't.
and also if this diary was so important why did the PJ hand it back?
Why did they hand the hire car back too?
Totally incompetent.
Also this was reported in the paper that the PJ had applied for a search warrant to obtain the diary? That's sounds like a lot of rubbish too!
Why don't they just ask the McCann's if they can have the diary? Why would the McCann's not hand it over, the PJ have already had it and handed it back anyway.
I know kids can be a handful - Kate's kids were close in age too as were my two and they were without a doubt a handful when they were little. Thank goodness, I was never one to keep a journal otherwise, I'm sure some of my comments would have been questionable.
I understood they've already had the diary once. If its so important why on earth did they give it back to the McCs.
Just had a look on Alsabella's blog and saw this, looks like someone else has been reading the disclaimers! Note the OD LOL
23452 said...
"Furthermore, alsabella reserves the right to change her mind from time to time since this is what normally happens to those that have an open mind."
Biggest laugh I have had for a long time, Alsabella has an open mind? Yeah right PMSL
08 March 2008 20:54
I agree Rosie, it will be very interesting to see what the paper got right and what ACTUALLY happens.
Jane,
nobody seems to think thats odd setting up that stall erh hello !
Alsabella said most of the PJ speak and understand English but pretend they don't.
Now Murat cousin aunty Sally, this creases me.
Ralph is Jenny's brother Right !
Ralph is married to Sally Right !
Robert is Jenny's son Right !
hope your keeping up lol !
So how can this stupid woman say he is her cousin.
Anyway he looks more like her than his mother ??????????????
CHRISTABEL
Horrid news from your link re Huelva. Problems there need sortingFAST. but...will they do it? seems not.
CALCITE
I think I may have referredto his in previous post, but she copied post after post after post from here last night. inferring it was in the face of the awful news re Mari Luz Cortex. I posted explaining that we were not flippant over such a ghastly thing at all, far from it, and that we had a separate heading where people were posting their tribute/thoughts etc for the littl girl. We were all deeply saddened. I pointed out she had copied and pasted numerous posts from here totally out of context and it was unbalanced. She prides herself on publishing all non absive, fair posts. OH NO SHE DOESN'T. I was most polite and courteous.
SHE IS A CONTROL FREAK ADDED TO 2345'S INSANITY THERE WE HAVE IT.
NURSW?? NOT HERE YET??????!!!!!
if you get my drift.
BACK SOON GOTTA GO TO COLLECT KIDS.....BACK SOON. SEE YOU ..BE GOOD. i am googling off now.
Well, the comment is still there - Alsabella must have stepped out to spend 5 minutes of quality time with her children.
LOL, do you think the PJ have the same disclaimer. One minute Madeleine was allegedly killed in Apartment 5a and the next minute they have not ruled out Abduction. Its not the fact they are clueless, they're just open minded!
Tinkerbell - what a charitable way of seeing it!
Thats me Sass, all heart!
Christabel
I have always thought that setting up a stall for people to come and talk in case they were worried about going to the PJ was an odd thing to do!
Good way to check out the information too! One has to ask, why did the PJ allow this?
1) Murat's mother is asking people if they have any info
2) Robert Murat is actually sitting in when the PJ were taking witness statements.
Good work PJ. excellent I mean this would compromise anything would it?
Tinkerbell - loved your comment - you could be on to something maybe it's part of their mission statement.
Hi, I remember that Alsabella said that the diary could be used to substantiate Kate's frame of mind in the event that she is ever charged with Madeleine's death.
IMO the PJ would have seized this diary as 'evidence' in the first instance, not waited 10 months down the line. I cannot believe that the PJ would not follow something so basic, so this leads me to the conclusion that this is simply but a smoke screen intended to cause distrust in the Mccann's, quite simply another part of the smear campaign that has been forged against the Mccann's.
I do think that the media has an awful lot to answer for as well. Quite frankly the way the media have dealt with the disappearance of Madeleine has made me sick to the stomach, and it has made me question very closely the content of articles.
Thanks Tinkerbell thought we had been pulled. Could understand the other sites but then realised that even they could post their rants on here, so it was quite feasible.
Thanks for your e mail rply Sassyp
hmmmmCHRISTABEL
I wouldn't like to say anything about that. Murat and his mum do look similar.
The adoption agency and links to Exeter are puzzling too to me. The Exeter link also to friends McCanns and 'no comment' from Gerry re knowing Murat. Something odd there. So many leads point to Exeter oddly. Another common thread is property developers.
Never known a case like this with so very many leads linking, yet no lead in one positive direction. It's all over the place, not helped with the so called 'investigation'.......
It's a sorry muddled mess. After over 10 monts what is the way forward? Questionning yet again people already questionned? Hmm. Have strong doubts.
HelenM
You're welcome!
Sass
Tinks how observant of you, I bet Alsabelia has already posted that one up on her blog (waves at Alsabelia V)
Now why didn't we think that this is just a disclaimer by the PJ?
Don't forget the Queen reserves the right to change her mind!
Let's imagine that Kate had something to hide and had written it in her diary.
She hears that the PJ want to take her diary to look at so they can scan it for evidence 10 months down the line.
If she decided to cover the bits they thought dodgy with Tippex, could they actually do anything? In a legal sense, I mean
I vote that PDL is crowned the Lookalike capital.
Who does Tubby look like?
helenM how are you?
I read they had photocopies of all in Kate's Diary but for a court case they needed the original. Photocopies not acceptable.
Sassy
They have already taken a copy of the diary!
And who is to say that 10 months down the line she hasn't binned/lost it anyway? The PJ would have a tough time doing anything about it!
Again the PJ are engineers of their own farce!
I think that Tubby looks like
Numpty Dumpty with hair.
This is very old but came across it reading page about Mari Luz.
Problem going back years !
http://translate.google.com/translate?sourceid=navclient&hl=en&u=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eelpais%2ecom%2farticulo%2fespana%2fBURGOS%2fBURGOS%5f%2fMUNICIPIO%2fDesaparece%2fnina%2fanos%2fBurgos%2felpepiesp%2f19910410elpepinac%5f9%2fTes
Kate's legal team have probably read the diary. They'll know how to defend her if need be (but I don't think it will be an issue).
I think tubby is the before from Weightwatchers.
I think we should invite poor 2345 over to our blog - I think she's there all by herself and she found religion.
Any voters??
CALCITE
what post is still there?
I couldn't find mine, so who's post?
;o)))
more like dumpy numpty rosiepops......hee hee hee
Calcite,
Do you want to be banned ?
If not behave yourself lol !
Christabel
That is grusome and very frightening, I wonder what came of that?
the ones about Alsabella's disclaimers...
So in fact, if Kate lobbed her diary into a bin/burnt it the copies couldn't be used in court.
No, I don't want to be banned. I'll be good, so good.
sassyp - and that's why I don't think there is much in Kate's diary - she probably had dark moments - who wouldn't in her shoes?
Rosie, horrible isn't it.
Would you give Calcite a verbal warning ?
She is brnging the trash in lol !
Calcite
Exactly.
I was just wondering what the cops there were thinking of.
Let's imagine they take the diary of someone who did in fact commit a murder and this murderer wrote in the diary that he or she had killed someone (not that direct of course!).
Along come the PJ and photocopy the relevant pages and give the diary back. Then a few months down the line they ask for the diary back as they need it for evidence and the photocopies are worthless and oh whoops! the murderer no longer has the diary.
why would there be anything in Kates diary?
She was told to keep one after Madeleine was abducted for herself.
Rosie - your comments are going to be posted all over Alsabella's site now.
Poor Alsabella, she'll have one horrible job of deleting posts when she gets back - don't think she'll be sleeping much.
Sorry folks would love to stay and play but work calls!!
You carry on enjoying yourselves I'll 'speak' to you all mane hopefully.
Calcite, young lady, watch your step - you're on very dodgy ground!!! :-)
Sass, dont even try to go there. You'll be wondering forever!
bye helen M....
HelenM
See ya!
sassyp - i don't think she even hinted that she had caused Madeleine death in her diary. It seems to me that I read (now, okay we all know how accurate the journalists have NOT been in this case) but she reportedly asked the investigators, "DO YOU THINK I ACTUALLY KILLED (may have been murdered) MY CHILD?
Sass thanks for that lol !
Nite an Bless Helen xx
Night Helen x
Oops, sorry Rosie, I'll be good.
Night Helen
Night Helen Take care sleep well xxx
calcite
That was sassy not me
(Sassy's always getting me into trouble) :-)
Calcite
It was more a question of the logic of taking a diary then giving it back and then saying please can we have it back again!
Helen
Your use of that Latin term mane intrigues me!
Philomena McCann, Mr McCann's sister, said she advised her sister-in-law, who is now a formal suspect in the case, to keep the diary to show Madeleine how much they loved her.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/13/nmaddy213.xml
Rosie
You watch it too, young lady, or I'll block ya again.
Ha Ha Rosie got told off lol !
I've got to luv and leave you guys, have an early start tomorra. See you sometime late afternoon. Take care, byeeee xx
That diary is a red herring, I doubt whether it would be allowed in a courtroom anyway.
It is just a nonsense, if it meant anything at all the PJ would have kept it.
You don't take a gun in for foooorrreeeennsssic tests, discover it was the gun that killed someone and then hand it back when tests are finished do you?
More unsubstantiated cobblers from unnamed PJ sources.
sassyp - I know. I would be tempted to burn the damn diary too but then I think they would loose more support.
I should also clarify that when Kate made that comment, the reporter stated that Kate was horrified that the investigators were even thinking along those lines.
Tinks,
Nite and Bless x
Sassy please don't lock me out again I hate in error land :-(
Rosie, just to let you know, I'm laughing all the way up the stairs, lol.
Tinks you lightweight!!!
Tonks
have a good trip give bubs a cuddle from me. Take care for goodness sake the weather is meant to be really bad tomorrow, Monday and Tuesday. xxx
Rosie you're probably right. And Helen (I know you're gone) but I think it would be very difficult to criticise a person's frame of mind when their child has just gone missing. I know my mind would be in very dark places.
Sassy
Ssssh Tinks is gone now, she is a part timer!
By the way what did 2345 answer when someone sent her that comment about the DNA from a sixth person that they had not been able to identify?
I'm off too. But I'm not a lightweight because I'm an hour ahead of you lot! :-)
See ya!
I'm off to - it's 4:30p.m. and I'm still in my pj's.
Nite an Bless Sass,
I will report Rosie and Calcite if they don't tow the line lol.
Calcite
That's a nice picture! There's no point in changing now though, is there?!
Nite and Bless Calcite.
Yuk get them PJ's off ya LOL !
Rosie, I heard that :0)
Sass, I'm more of an orange belt remember!!
Nitey Nite xx
Christabel
I'm relying on you! You can play PJ on this blog! I want times, names, evidence, evidence, evidence!!!
You freatenin' me Tinkz? You go' a'ichood?
Right Sass, do I get lunch ?
Christabel - yup a three/four hour one!
Ok you can pay me the back hander on Monday lol !
oH DEAR
i HAVE OR YOU HAVE ALL, LOST THE PLOT....
i DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE LAST 6 POSTS. sO WHAT'S NEW YOU SCREAM...YES, INDEED. ooops caps lock again. I need an alarm when it's on to stop me doing it.
No wonder I am confused with my times zones. . . jim jas? 4.30? It's 11 pm. Oh dear.
Our name is mud elsewhere shall I put it? We are Old ladies, child neglectors. Oh my . . . they do not like being confused with the truth do they. Alsabella however has justified herself in a long post summarised, she can 'delete who she likes' but in her case, who she DISLIKES. nuff said.
aaarrrggghhhhhhh.
don't do as I do , do as I say , but I will change open and honest to just don't like 'your face' when I want.
nnna naa na na na
playground spoilt brat syndrome. PSBS.
and how
with honours.
...not a clue....not one clue.
Hi To you all.
I noticed something weird on Viv's blog last night. I tried to post but the only post I could get through was a test post, so I deleted it myself.
Felicity says that she has a friend who works in social services and that person says the McCanns have received special treatment.
Now, I have this to say.
If anyone in social services is close enough to the case to know that the McCanns have received special treatment and told Felicity, then that person has broken the privacy act. It is my feeling that the post from Felicity should be reported to the social services for investigation.
Here in Australia, certain files are tagged and all accesses to them are investigated for the correct authority. Anyone found accessing them, are charged. This applies to all public figures and all public files (ie tax office, social security, child welfare, everything).
The alternative is that Felicity is just making it up. Either way, the post should be forwarded for investigation. I have no idea of the name of your child/social services department, or I would do it myself.
I for one have had enough of this type of behaviour and lies.
calicite get dressed or the PJ will be on your front lawn leaving a mess, cans and empty wine bottlers.
Sassy
part timer !
Diane,
that would be Leicester Social Services
http://www.leics.gov.uk/index/social_services.htm
Diane
You are absolutely correct, it should be reported, ho much longer is this completely unhinged person going to be allowed to defame people like this?
If anyone in SS told her that
1) They must be as mad as she is
2) They have broken their code of ethics.
She is just desperate, so desperate she is now making things up!
Oh and I know I shouldn't laugh but I just saw this on Alsabelia's site. Cripes and I blinked and it was gone! Apparently they now have a poster called 2345 1/2..!
2345 1/2 said...
Your Posters? How much do you pay them to post here then alsa3bellies?
08 March 2008 22:57
Rosie. I think 2345 1/2 may just have it right. The little rich kid has money to burn.
Jane
that reminds me you said:
"nnna naa na na na"
Where has she gone? Haven't seen her since the DX went belly up (not alsa3bellies up though)
I am beginning to wonder if she was a sock puppet of Alsabelia's?
And on a sadder note.
I see it is being reported in the Resident (portugal) that the search in the dam is starting up again, this time with the backing of another group of people.
What is particularly disturbing is that the lawyer is saying that M3 have information confirming the tip of he received.
As I said earlier, there are similarities with this scenario and Mari Luz. Very sad indeed.
Madeleine should be with her parents and her family now, should never have been taken away. Just as Mari Luz should be with her family. I hope that there will be a resolution in both cases and the guilty party(s) are found and punished, as harshly as the law allows.
But Rosie, I bet we get the blame for that comment. It seems every posting she gets that does not agree with her views....she swears comes from here.
Rosie, she is now Marga !
Mum
She must have, she has spent nearly 24/7 on her blog for a few weeks, who is looking after her children?
And she has the cheek to accuse the Mccann's of child neglect?
Hypocrite!
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