Thursday, 27 March 2008

Madeleine McCann's parents want police to investigate Spanish paedophileKate and Gerry McCann have urged Portuguese police to investigate the movement

Kate and Gerry McCann have urged Portuguese police to investigate the movements of a suspected Spanish paedophile on the day their daughter vanished to see if there is any link to her disappearance.

The 52-year-old man was arrested on Tuesday on suspicion of killing five-year-old Mari Luz Cortes, who went missing just across the border from where Madeleine disappeared in the Algarve on May 3 last year.

The first anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance is approaching
Mr and Mrs McCann, from Rothley in Leicestershire, joined forces with Mari Luz’s family to try and track down the two girls, printing thousands of posters bearing both their faces and distributing them across the Iberian Peninsula.

But while the body of Mari Luz, who went missing after going out to buy sweets on January 13, was found in an estuary in the Spanish border town of Huelva on March 7, there has been no trace of Madeleine.

The McCann’s spokesman Clarence Mitchell said it was important to establish if there was any connection to the missing British four-year-old, who vanished from the family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz as her parents dined nearby.

“We hope the Portuguese police will be liaising with the Spanish police to establish this man’s movements around the time Madeleine disappeared,”

he said.

“We have no indication there is a direct link between the two cases.

“But given the proximity of the places Madeleine and Mari Luz disappeared from and the similarity in their ages, we believe it’s important the Portuguese police make absolutely sure there’s no connection now there’s been an arrest.”


The man being held by Spanish police is reported to have convictions for child abuse and indecent assault on minors and is already said to have confessed to Mari Luz’s murder.
Although his name has not been released by police, Spanish TV station Telecinco named him as Santiago del Valle Garcia.

His sister, named locally as Rosa, and his wife, named locally as Isabel, were also arrested - although one of the women is thought to have been released early Wednesday morning.
All three were detained in a rented house in Cuenca, an hour and a half’s drive south of Madrid.

The arrested man is a former neighbour of Mari Luz’s family and lived less than 100 yards from her parents Juan Jose and Irene on the route she would have taken as she returned from the local sweet shop.

He had been questioned already by police after causing suspicion by leaving Huelva the day after Mari Luz disappeared.

Shortly after the arrest, Mr Cortes said:

“This comes as no surprise to me. We know it’s him.”

The Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/26/nmaddy126.xml

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calcite51 said...

I read this when I was at work and I thought oh, yes, please let them interview this pedophile and oh, please don't let there be a link.

Mandz said...

Morning All,

Firstly my heart goes out to that family what a terrible nightmare they must be going through but at least the police have done their job and caught the criminal who made it his right to take a child’s life. Prison is too good for these evil so called “humans” and IMO the world would be a better place without them the (bad).

The police should look into this however in my opinion I don’t think they will bother. What would happen (god forbid) if it did turn out to be this man? There have been many reports about the police allegedly not following up leads etc therefore why would they? In my opinion they should because there is no proof Maddie is dead and she is still missing and all leads should and must be followed up.

I hope this new head does the right thing and contacts the Spanish Police or the Spanish Police find out for themselves.. what “his “movements were on that day and ask him about Maddie.


People who are up in arms because it is reported Gerry and Kate what the police to look into this – Well hello she is THEIR daughter THEY have NOT been “charged” with ANYTHING therefore THEY as HER parents have the RIGHT to request they look into this. How dare people be angry that the McCann’s want the police to look into this – unbelievable..And on that note my heart goes out to the McCann’s this must be heartbreaking and frightening for them to think that there might be a link.

Mandz said...

Shortly after the arrest, Mr Cortes said:

“This comes as no surprise to me. We know it’s him.”

What I would like to know is if this is not a surprise then why allow your child aged 5 years out to the shops?

Sass said...

Hiya Mandz

I agree. It should be looked into - as there appear to be no new leads anything is worth checking out.

Sass said...

Mandz

Hiya - maybe he meant with hindsight it was obvious who it was.

Mandz said...

Hi Sass,

I was up very early today 5.20am due to my new bed being delivered!! I was/am absolutely furious that they came at such an early time.

Sass said...

Mandz

Are they completely mad??? I assume you are going to complain!

Mandz said...

Sass,
Too right I have never heard of a delivery at such an early time??
The cheeky bugger refused to carry my new bed upstairs and I was thinking what about elderly people. Anyway it’s here now but lying in my hall ..

Right I'm off for a bit!

Sass said...

Great! So you are woken up at 5.20 to have a bed delivered to your hall! There's some nice hurdling practice for you!

See you later!

Will turn moderation back on now you're off!

x

Tulip said...

Good morning all. Of course any possible connection with the Mari Luz case should be investigated. I don't personally think there is a connection but if there is it should be easy to establish.

This morning Alsa has led with a piece in which she begs posters from both sides to temper their extremism.

I don't post on that blog for obvious reasons but no doubt some onlooker will see this.

First, I believe this little 'oh so noble and reasonable' piece is a combination of fear and hypocrisy. Anyone who was on yesterday saw what happened. It was not 'both sides'. This Arepa came on here with the express intention of stirring up. Presumably maddened by the courteous responses (frustrating when you want a fight) she became more and more extreme until her comments were finally deleted.
Her profile showed a picture of Gerry being strapped into an electric chair. She accused them of being killers.

She wasn't some maverick appearing from nowhere. She has been posting her nonsense on Alsa's site for quite some time now and Alsa has expressed no disapproval or made any moderating remarks. In fact she has been greeted with cheers.

She makes even Claudia look like Mother Teresa.

I believe, Alsabella, that your mealy-mouthed 'now-now children' today was an attempt to distance yourself in case Google or worse come calling. Too late Alsa.

And finally if you think that vigorous criticism of a police force is somehow the same as saying someone is a killer on a public forum, you need a reality check. The police are an INSTITUTION. I don't know what the position is in Portugal, but when the police mess up here in the UK there are no holds barred in the way people attack them.

I tink Alsa should be very worried -- at least for the continued existence of her blog, and at worst ... there are limits.

Arepa was silly enough, apparently, to leave her address --I have no idea what will be done in this respect, but she has put herself in a very difficult position.

IMHO.

melbel said...

Morning everyone
As usual,here, there and everywhere and not on long.
Mari was a beautiful child and I pray that her family are given strength, for what is ahead.
It raises the question of what societies do, about people, who live in our midst,who are known paedophiles.
In general, they have no insight and cannot see what they do is wrong.There does not seem to be any cure.They have frequently faced abuse themselves, from an early age.
It seems a vicious cycle.How do we break it ?maybe, they should never ever leave prison, once convicted.
Though I deplored the scenes in UK,where parents marched and attacked a paediatrician,[ wrongly thinking this was a paedophile,]it begs the question about how children can be protected.
It has the international dimension,now, with cheap holiday flights and foreign travel.
Beautiful, little Mari, with her shy engaging smile,deserved to live her life out, without some monster, who was adult and therefore could have made correct choices,taking that precious life.
We need to learn from other countries,with different systems,too.
I have not really thought Megan's law,could work,as the paedophile would go underground.
There is no shortage of vulnerable youngsters,who become prey.
I think that the McCanns have every right to expect the PJ to check this suspect's movements, on the day that Madeleine disappeared.
If they fail to do this, people will be led to wonder why.
In any case,cannot our Police request this, from Spain,a friendly Government ?She is our child.
It is mean of McCann haters, to criticise this and they certainly would not, if it was their child.

melbel said...

Isis
Special thoughts and prayers.
I do not come to post on your blog, but know you will see this.
"All will be well.All will be well.All manner of things will be well."
Mother Julian of Norwich.

melbel said...

Well said Tulip.
I do not think that any of our posters go over there, to post and they should do, as Rosie and friends do here and ban anons.
Arepa was bang out of order and came to cause trouble and there are several unbalanced posters over there, who are way extreme.
I have only ever commented on this blog, but nonetheless,would like to apologise to Dogmad for making remarks about his work.
I have not found him openminded re this case, but should not have said what I said.
It was made on this blog, however, which was set up as an invite only blog and I would, personally have preferred if it had stayed that way.
I think that there are too manuy people with too much time on their
hands,who are just stirrers,really.
Morning everyone.Have loads to do, on this rainy,cold day.

Tulip said...

Oh dear, I have spoiled the gentle tone of today's blog!! I'm just a day behind and discovered the Arepa posts only late yesterday so still feel most upset by them. As you know I'm usually very mild but yesterday really did for me.

May this be the start of a more civilised era.

Mandz -- good luck with the bed.

Mum21 said...

Good Morning All.

Hopefully today will be a nicer one on here...with no unwanted visits.
We welcome anyone who comes in peace...but not the trash that turned up here last night.
I honestly think Alsa has left it too late to try and guide her followers in the right direction.
I also find it insulting that she blames her anontmous posters on us.
We have better things to do than go mud slinging in her direction.
If we have something to say about them...we say it here...not on her now very tainted blog.
On the rare occasion one of us does post over there...we do so using our blog names. I think Gina was right when she said the anon's could be leftovers from the DE forum.
Now I am off of here for a while...got loads to do and a meeting to attend.

My thoughts today go out to little Mari's family....and to Isis.

Sass said...

Hiya Everyone

Quick troll check!

Mum21 and Tulip - I agree with that re: Arsabliar. The "voice of reason" piece isn't doing it for me either. It was her foul-mouthed cronies stirring here not vice versa.

Anyway enough of Casa Crud.

How can anyone criticise the McCanns for wanting to check out where the man who killed Mari Luz was on the evening Madeleine disappeared? If it was your daughter you'd want everything checked out - long shots and all!

isis said...

Good morning all, thank you all so so much for your very kind wishes today. Each year it gets a little easier espesciallt when i look at my 3 children who have always been aware of the significance of today.I went to the grave very early this am and it was beautiful and serene. Sunshining, no traffic sounds , birds singing and i knew she is happy and looking after my family. My own little guardian angel. Again thankk you all so much

Sass said...

Isis

Not sure what is going on, but I hope you are OK and send sunny best wishes from Austria!

Mum21 said...

Good Morning Isis,
Lovely to hear from you this morning.

Tulip said...

The DE has got another hys on a McCann article. Some well--loved names like Rothaymere have re-appeared. Same old. Will it last?

On a lighter note, Mandz, when I returned to the UK after living in a country where houses are more spacious, and narrow staircases to an upper storey a rarity, I thought I could bring my 2 king size beds back here too. Problem was, where I came from the bases were solid and in one piece -- not in separate sections. Two beds spent weeks outside covered by dustbin bags -- we had to sleep on the mattresses, which at least could bend and get round the corners.

Eventually two soggy but otherwise newish bed bases were taken away.

I replaced one bed but my visitors are still sleeping on a mattress on the floor. Anyone got a two-part king-size bed base? Delivery accepted at any hour by prior arrangement.

Maybe this could also become a barter site ...??

Doubting Thomas said...

Hello all, before I begin I am wondering if I am welcome, I am what they call a fence sitter and am undecided either way on the Madeline issue.
You read so much negative stuff, it is sometimes hard not to be rash,but by and large I have difficulty beleiving that on the spur of the moment, these people were able to do what is suggested of them.
I take what I read in the press with a large dose of salt and prefer to wait untill the offical findings are made public, saying that there are some issues that I feel could point either way.

calcite51 said...

Good morning, everyone!

I don't blame Kate and Gerry for wanting the police to investigate this Spanish pedophile. The sooner the better and if the police won't do it, then hopefully, Metado3 will.

After reading the comments here, I had to go back and read Alsabella's comments - guess I didn't read her message too well - glanced at it - posted my comment to Isis and left. I didn't realized that she had requested bloggers on both sides to start being reasonable.

Alsabella, you reap what you sow. Obviously, you have some very unbalanced people posting on your site.

Tulip, sorry but your comment about Clawdia being Mother Theresa is a bit out there, isn't it? I think Mother Theresa must be looking down absolutely horrified!

Mandz - 5:30 in the morning, you have delivery men who won't take your bed up the stairs? I've never heard of any delivery happening at 5:30 in the a.m.

Alsabella, when our police force or the Royal Canadian Mountain Police have bungled up an investigaton, we do have an inquiry and many times, these inquiries are led by our federal Government.

calcite51 said...

Good morning, Isis. I'm glad you saw our messages.

Sass said...

Doubting Thomas

Hi there

Anyone is welcome if they are civil - a huge problem for some!!!

I think the same about the spur of the moment theory. How could a panicking couple who, we can assume, have never done anything like this before cover their tracks to such an extent that noone can get enough evidence to arrest them!

calcite51 said...

doubting thomas - you are welcomed on this site as long as you don't abuse anyone or their views.

As you can probably tell, we are supporting Madeleine AS WELL as her parents and her extended family.

Mum21 said...

Doubting Thomas...or may I call you Thomas?
You are very welcome here...as are all new posters.
The only rule is...comments must be polite and non abusive.

I know exactly what you mean...there has been so much press coverage without actual facts....the mind boggles.
On this blog we support Innocent Until Proven Guilty...which is eveyones right.
I also cannot see the logic in what has been said happened to Madeleine. The parents did not have the time....plus they were followed by the media everywhere they went. So there is no way they could have disposed of a body several weeks after Madeleine went missing.
The whole case is a mystery...and I wonder if it will ever be solved.

calcite51 said...

mum21 - you put it so much better than I ever could.

Tulip said...

It's not my blog Thomas, but I am certainly pleased to welcome you. Anyone who is polite is welcome here -- at least that's what I've observed. It doesn't matter if you disagree -- polite discussion is what we all want, though it's not always easy.

I can't speak for everyone here, but I think nobody knows what happened in Praia da Luz on 3 May last year. We don't have evidence from reliable sources to allow us to make dogmatic statements though many of us have instinctive reactions as well as finding some of the things the McC's are supposed to have done very far-fetched.

In the meantime we stand for fair play, for treating people who have suffered dreadfully as 'innocent until proved guilty'. If we are proved wrong we will never be ashamed of having been fair.

Many of us also feel frustrated by the way the police in Portugal handled the issue and fear that because of this any chance of finding little Madeleine may have been lost.

Finally we all agree that the McC's made a dreadful mistake when they left their kids alone. Unlike many people who condemn them obsessively we believe it was foolish mistake and that there is no point in hammering on about something ee all concede. Nothing they did makes them deserving of the opprobrium heaped upon them by 'perfect' censorious people who have apparently never made a mistake.

I'm sure the site owners wil be along to greet you.

Mum21 said...

Ladies...if you don't mind I would like to leave a message on here for Gina.

Gina...if you are having problems with the little project you are doing for a friends 5oth. Birthday....can I be of any help?
I have all the necessary programs for resizing and enhancing photos.
I would be more than happy to help you.

Doubting Thomas said...

Thanks to those who said welcome, yes the spur of the moment covering of an accident does not ring as true.Even people who are versed in decepting the authorities would have difficulty pulling it off.
Hopefully the secrecy which not only cloaks this tragic case but allows for unfounded reports and leaks will soon be lifted.
What does puzzle me is, why are the police in Portugal allowing these "leaks" to go unchallenged. And if I am correct we will soon know the exact nature of the investigation in to the events of may 3rd and exactly what evidence is known.

Tulip said...

We certainly hope so, Thomas.

Mum21 said...

But will we know Thomas? I am not so sure we will.

What I think will happen is slow but sure this case will be shelved.
If the PJ had the evidence many people on blogs suggest...or even state they have....then charges would have been made by now.
I do not go along with the accusations that our Government has intervened....neither do I agree with the leaks by the PJ.
In my opinion...all they now want to do is save face...and restore Portugal's good name in the tourist industry.

Doubting Thomas said...

mum 21 the body disposal is one thing that certainly does not add up, without getting gory and technical it would be a appalling task, especially with it being your dauhter in such a state of decomposition. Then there has never been an adequate explanation of where and how the body was stored for the three plus weeks between death and hiding.
The alternative is one of two, abduction by stranger who wanted a child to care for or the one that turns my stomach, by paedophiles. Which leads to the question, has Madeline now been murdered as she was something of a hot potato, so to speak. Or is she still alive, hidden and possibly suffering?
I think one of the reasons people have jumped on the theory of the parenst killing her is because the alternative is so unpalatable and upsetting.

calcite51 said...

Tulip - where did you see the article on DE about the McCanns - took a quick look and I couldn't see anything.

Oh,yes, I remember Rothaymere - not fondly but I do remember her.

Mum21 said...

Calcite. The DE have removed it now. There was a few very nasty comments put on the HYS...including a sarcastic one by Claudia.

calcite51 said...

Oh, and what did Alsabella's charming Clawdia have to say?

Mum21 said...

Thomas,
I think all the theories are unpleasant.
I hope with all my heart Madeleine is safe and well and being cared for by a family who badly wanted a child. But deep in my heart I do not believe this to be so....and I fear Madeleine has long gone from this cruel world.

Mum21 said...

Calcite,
She advised the DE to run before they get sued again. I cannot remember her exact words and I cannot check them because the DE removed her comment for legal reasons.
But if was in very bad taste.

Doubting Thomas said...

mum 21, I would hope you are right. Do you think the lake being searched and the claims made hold any truth? The difficulty I have with it is, Paedophiles are highly secretive and I cannot imagine tat they would be telling the solicitor these things. If indeed there is truth in it, why the hel isnt the solicitor giving up his "reliable source" and letting the authoities get it out of them?
Such a lovely little girl, I hope she is in peace, would like to see her found and layed to rest properly.

calcite51 said...

Mum21 - I do hope Clarence takes DE to task again. I don't get why they keep trying to post articles on Madeleine. If they really are allowed to post articles on Madeleine - this is such a hot topic, they should maybe remove the comment part of it - I don't get it.

calcite51 said...

Doubting Thomas - the lawyer apparently retracted being told by a crime figure where Madeleine's body was and instead said he had a dream (his words, not mine - I would certainly never use Dr. King's words in this context).

Doubting Thomas said...

calcite, where did you read this? So it would seem he was a jack the lad hoping to strike lucky and perhaps secure himself the reward. What a cad.

calcite51 said...

Thomas, not sure where I read the information - I think it was reported in the papers - not sure what papers.

helenm said...

Hi all,

Doubting Thomas welcome. May I say that I am not too sure of your avatar. Can I ask the reason for choosing it? You may say that I have some cheek to ask considering the one I chose, but if you have read our blog we all had fun with them a week or so ago.

Mum21 said...

Thomas,
I love your avatar. Looks like you are waiting for big smacker of a kiss.
It is great.

Doubting Thomas said...

When are the actual forensics being handed over and will we ever know the contents of the results?
Gerry and kate should consider sueing the papers such as Diario de noticas for printing the leaked forensic results. The Portuguese press are responsible for the level of hatred directed at this family, I think personally the DX were not culpable as they were priniting what was being said in Portugal, which is news.

Doubting Thomas said...

Hi helen, No particular reason, I love animals, cats and monkeys are favourites although I like all. My msn address is similar,it just appealed to me, I suppose because its so human and the lipstick appears as if it is trying to look more human...It also is what I say Angelina Joely looks like when my husband is drooling over her, he is his perfect woman! Childish I know.

Mum21 said...

I don't think we will ever know the actual results of the forensic evidence. I think Portugal will keep that very quiet.
I agree the Portuguese press are responsible for the poor coverage. But out press should have known better than to print articles without knowing how true they were.

Tulip said...

News update, girls.

Our old friend Alroy has surfaced on Alsa's site with a very sensible post.

Please Alroy, visit us! You're missed.

Re Newspapers here, Thomas (Thomasina?) I think every newspaper is duty bound not to simply repeat what the gutter press says in other countries. They can't shift the responsibility that way, and they know it of course.

Doubting Thomas said...

mum 21 Surely though, it is news that the Portuguese are printing these articles?

Doubting Thomas said...

Tulip, to an extent I agree, but I still think the DX were not the main culprits in this sorry saga. I have a personal story, where I was in a similar situation with the press and accused as the parents of madeline are. It was the press that ended up saving me. This is why, I will not condemn the parents untill there is concrete evidence against them. I wont bore you with my story because I do not wish to take you off track, suffice to say I am living proof of the damage that can be done by half stories and innuendo.

calcite51 said...

Tulip - did they delete Alroy's comments - I couldn't find it??

In any case - I'm off to work.

Have a great day everyone - will check in tonight.

helenm said...

Doubting Thomas,
Yes, I agree I can definitely see the resemblance!lol Can't see IMHO what men actually see in her!!

Regarding the leaked forensic results there have been so many reports and posts (usually by 2345) that I find it difficult to give an opinion, other than that I believe that had the PJ had this 'incriminating' 'evidence' then in the interest of justice the person/s responsible should have been charged by now. The mqachinations of the Portuguese judiciary system works slow, but come on, 11 months down the line and still no charges brought?

Oops! sorry, so much for not having an opinion!!

Sass said...

Hiya again

Another troll check!

Doubting Thomas - did you also post on the DX? Your name rings a bell.

Sass said...

Have a good day Calcite! Hi Helen! Thought of you yesterday when your post wasn't the 201st!

Tulip said...

Thomas, the way the Express and others reported it was to make huge headlines saying such things as 'McCanns sold their daughter' and 'Maddie's parents killed her' and suchlike, only much later on in the article mentioning that it was an unsubstantiated report.

A factual headline would have been (for example)'Portuguese tabloids make lurid but unsubstantiated accusations against Maddie's parents'. But that wouldn't sell newspapers!

I think our libel laws include those who repeat unsubstantiated accusations, on the basis that they did not make sufficient effort to disocver if they were true. The Express knew the reports were dicy (after all it's what THEY speialise in) but it suited theim to print regardless.

*******

Have now read your further post and are very sorry for you that you had such a nasty experience. Then you'll appreciate more than most that people who repeat vicious rumours are just as harmful as those who start them. I'm glad that in your case the papers had a positive input. They obviously have not in the McCann's case.

I'm not sure whether or how they are able to sue the Portuguese press. Maybe it's more difficult and they were simply making a point.

Doubting Thomas said...

sass, No I did not post on the DX, but did post in the sky forums for a long time. I try to stay away from argumenst and accusations, unless they are constructive and not in malice.

helenm said...

Hi Sassy,

Got snowed under yesterday, but was able to look in now and again. Should be able to get my title back soon, hubby has gone on a 'trip' so no-one to hassle me about hogging the computer! heaven!

Sass said...

D_Thomas

Then it's the Sky forums I know your name from! I was there for quite a while too, till they got pulled. Some of the theories there were even more insane than on the DX!

Tulip said...

Calcite, if you're still there, Alroy posted at 12.35, I think as Anonymous and signed off as Alro. It is still there.

Sass said...

Hi Helen

A computer just for yourself! Bliss!

Things got so out of hand here that we ended up moderating comments. Some idiot from the other blog decided to stir.

Tulip said...

Sorry, he posted as Alroy. My fingers have a life of their own today -- not connected with brain.

Doubting Thomas said...

Ahh yes, sky forums, once the place to be but quickly became one of the most aggresive places to post. What period were you from? Davy crocket and mrfkdevlin or later withslim, magalwi and mammy?
Tulip, it wasnt always the case the press were fair to me but they did put right the inaccuracies printed. Im not saying my situation was as dire as the McCanns is, but it was a lesson in what gossip and rumour can do.

calcite51 said...

Found it - thanks Tulip. Yes, he does make sense, doesn't he?

I also read on the other blog that the posters are being very critical of the McCanns (what a surprise that is, eh?) for doing a special on May 3 (the date Madeleine went missing).

Don't know why it was all right for the PJ's to 'leak' information to the presses, why it was all right for an ex-PJ to write a 'fictional' account of Madeleine but the McCanns are somehow gagged by a secrecy law that no one in Portugal seems to take too seriously.

This is of course all in MHO.

Off now, take care everyone.

melbel said...

Hi all
Not even stopping for a minute.
Noticed Alroy on the other side and hope he makes it over here.
Welcome Thomas.
I have to say that I am not keen on your avator,as it can be misconstrued these days and maybe cause offence.
Have to go and hope to talk another day.

Missed my countywoman,Helen, but thanks again, computer kid.
If it had not been for you, I would still be in the middle blog, on the right, posting away to my self.
Hi and bye all.

Sass said...

D_Thomas

To be honest I can't remember what the names of the other posters were but mrfkdevlin certainly sounds familiar.

At the time there was someone who said she had explained to her children that they were all going to go to Portugal to look for Madeleine! Someone else was saying that Gerry killed Madeleine because of her eye imperfection. It was soon after that I defected to the DX to read more cooky theories!

Doubting Thomas said...

melbel? A belle from Melbourne? Anyway My aviator is only meant to amuse not offend. Monkeys and apes have always been likened to human beings since time in memorial. I now realise there could be rasict undertones, however this is not the intention in this case. I f it is truly offending you and or others, I will gladly change it.

calcite51 said...

Be warned - I think Alsabella is having computer problems with her blog - all comments have gone MIA (missing in Action) - hope they don't all come over here.

Tulip said...

Either I am blind or it seems all the comments on Alsa's blog have been pulled. ALL.

Alroy posted again to say -- in pointed but quite reasonable terms -- that Gina was two faced and confused, then there were a couple of comments and then -- swoosh. Gone.

May be temporary?

Sass said...

See you Melbel!

melbel said...

Thanks,Thomas.I would personally prefer that, as we have had untrue accusations made about us, in the past,of that nature.

Doubting Thomas said...

Sass I was with sky almost from start to finish, so I saw all the posters come and go. Your name is familiar I am guessing because of skys fourm. I recal some crazy events there, the craziest for me being the poster who stated she was leaving to kill herself to be able to communicate with Madeleine and ask what had happened. The poster had given previous details of her location, strangely enough in the days following there was a suicide in the area of a woman of the same age.

Sass said...

D_Thomas

I don't remember that at all! There were some real nutters there!

About your avatar, personally it doesn't bother me, but I can see where Melbel is coming from as we have been accused of so much rubbish.

helenm said...

Tulip, yes I noticed that too, I was waiting to see if Gina replied, then as you say it just vanished. Sometimes you are able to click on the time and that will bring comments up, but not this time.

Sass said...

Arsabliar's blog

When you have a blog you have to decided whether to allow comments or not. It seems as if Arsabliar has pressed the "don't allow comments" button.

Rosie did it here by accident once when we had just started because we were getting loads of junk from the other blog, so she clicked everything to get rid of the troublemakers.

helenm said...

Sass, her archives have gone missing as well! I have a theory, it was after a poster was waxing lyrical about how pleasant her site was! maybe it was one lie too many?!!!!!! (only joking)

melbel said...

Sass and Helen
Did not one of our posters say that they would send her arepa'a comments, as she had not seen them ?
That would shock and block any bog, I mean blog.
Or has she been pulled ?

Doubting Thomas said...

Hope this is better and I wont be accused of animal cruelty.LOL.What is the blog we are speaking of? And is this blog in the minority because most blogs its full scale war on Gerry and Kate.?

melbel said...

They may have been e mailed, though.I do not understand how these things work.

helenm said...

Had a nosey on that woman's blog, see Rothaymere's found a home!!, no sign of Alsabella's posters.

Off myself now for a while, hope to chat again Doubting Thomas.

Going to make the most of the afternoon sun!

Doubting Thomas said...

Perhaps the blog in question contavened a regulation and has been cancelled or maybe the owner of the blog no longer wants to run it.

Sass said...

HelenM

She said yesterday that steps had been taken to get another blog set up if hers got closed down. Maybe she's moving stuff over to a new one.

Don't doubt for a minute that many have the others' e-mail addresses, but they have a lot of anons, too, so if she is moving then many won't find their way.

Who cares! It's a horrible, hypocritical blog anyway!!!

Tulip said...

The only thing left on Alsa's blog is today's Thought for The Day. Everything else has gone -- archives, comments ...

Sass said...

DoubtingThomas!

Like your avatar!

Melbel

China wanted to send her the comments, but she doesn't have them yet because there were so many it is taking forever to forward them!

helenm said...

Great avatar doubting thomas.

Mum21 said...

Well it seems Alsabella needs a few computer lessons. te he he

Thomas,
I agree with you that the press can help...and can keep a case alive. But the Portuguese were reporting untruths leaked to them by the PJ. Our press picked up on it...and all hell was let loose.
Hopefully now they wull be more careful...and will check things out before publishing.

Doubting Thomas said...

Glad the aviator ok with you, I hate causing a stir. Who are these people you are discussing? Alsabela is familiar, I am sure I have heard the name Arepa also, unless it is because it has been mentioned so many times today here and I am mistaken. Blogs come and go, I have seen many favourites just disappear.

Gina said...

Mum 21 two faced Gina here-

Can I take you up on your offer of help before I throw computer against the wall. If I scan a picture what do I save it in jpeg etc. so that I can later size it down onto a word doc. Can't explain better than that because I don't know the technical terms

Doubting Thomas said...

mum 21, I think the DX was indeed a lesson in checking facts to other newspapers. I note there are not so many trivial stories being printed since .

Sass said...

In case this blog ever goes up the wall, all you have to do is write to

nowwherearewe@yahoo.co.uk

It is the old address I used on the DX to tell people where we were.

You can always get a throwaway e-mail address from hotmail or yahoo to send a mail, you don't have to give me your regular e-mail address.

Sass said...

Hiya Gina

What's happened to Alsabelia's blog?

Mum21 said...

Gina..yes save it as a jpeg....or as I say jpg.
Do you have a program to size it down with?

Gina said...

Sass I am not saying, not getting into that I am just sick of the whole thing now, just want to get on with what I am trying to do on my computer as I know it will be appreciated

Sass said...

D-Thomas

Arepa is a huge stirrer who turned up here yesterday . Was also on DX.

As far as the DX suit was concerned, I agree that it was a lesson for the others. The stories that were printed were just nuts. On the DX there was a story a day, but it was just old news rehashed or reinterpreted as there simply was no news!

Gina said...

Thanks Mum I am not sure what I have I just have to take it one step at a time and see where I get to. Some of the instructions are in Spanish so with my translation skills it is no wonder I get in a mess. I will press on, and if I get stuck again, perhaps, if you don't mind I can ask something else later. Many thanks

Mum21 said...

Of course Gina.....and if you really have problems you can always email the photos to me and I will size them down for you...then send them back to you.
That is if you would trust me with your email address. te he he.
I am very trustworthy I can assure you.

Mum21 said...

Ladies, I think you will find Alsabella's blog has gone. I clicked on the link to it on Viv's site...and got the message "This blog does not exist".

I cannot see her having been forced to close it because it is mild compared to Viv's.
Perhaps she has decided to start up somewhere else...who knows.

Sass said...

Mum21

The link on Viv's site actually only ever took you to a particular post not to the site. The site name is http://theworldaccordingtoalsabella.blogspot.com

It is still there. If it's disappeared forever I won't be sorry. I'm sure someone else will come up with an equally hypocritical blog. Yesterday Ars wrote that she had plans in case her blog got yanked. She's probably just moving stuff.

melbel said...

Mum
Hope we do not get an influx of you know who !

Gina said...

Thanks Mum I am battling on at the moment but if I get really stuck I can get my son in the States to come on my computer on remote assistance and sort it for me, but will have to wait until late tonight.

IMO if Alsa has pulled her blog I do not blame her. I think she genuinely tried to do something positive this morning to stop all this stupidity and still she got ridiculed for it. Needless to say it didn't work, there will always be someone who can not let things drop and attack on a personal level as was done today. Does it matter anymore, what will be will be. Some have views about the McCanns that are wrong and some have views (which they put to me today) that are wrong, but little will change opinion when someones mind is made up will it

Mum21 said...

That is possible Sass. But if she moves to another blog...then she needs to be more careful what posts she allows to remain.
I don't think she has been pulled. I think this is her choice.

Tulip said...

Regarding A's site it's only guesswork. Maybe someone did complain to Google and they saw the Arepa stuff and asked her to close. Or maybe she's worried the way things have been going.

Gina, you always say you are so tired of all this, that you've had enough and have to go -- which I can well understand -- but you always came back for more, which seems a bit masochistic to me.

Tomorrow I'm going away for 11 days and I think the break will do me good.

But I wish you all the best with your computer problems. I'm useless at anything out of the ordinary.

Well done Mum, you must change your avatar now to a propeller head. People who don't know you might get the wrong idea. I like your new avatar Thomas.

Mum21 said...

That is true Gina.
It is such a pity Alsabella did not turn off the Anonymous posters...like we did here. She cannot be on her blog 24/7 to constantly delete comments.
But I can assure you...her problems did not stem from this blog. I know she thought it did...but it did not. I never post over there...but this morning I made an exception for Isis. But NEVER to I post there as anon.
And to be honest with you...I doubt that anyone else from here does either.
I know in the beginning there was some back and forth between blogs with anon posters. But that stopped a long time ago.

Hope you get your pics sorted ok.

Gina said...

Tulip if you look back at the posts you will see Mum left a message for me asking if she could help with a problem I have, so I took her up on her offer. Whilst I was on Sass ask about Alsa blog and I replied- But here we go again, you have to have a pop don't you

Sass said...

Tulip

The reason for Mum's avatar is just one of the many insults from the other blog. We have been called knitting circle women, Alsabella (you know - the "charming" one who is SO fair to everyone) called us all "retired highway whores" and if I remember correctly it was Notdoc who made some really nasty comments to Mum21 about her teeth!

Sass said...

Mum21

Even Arsabliar herself said she didn't think it was us posting anonymously.

Gina said...

Mum despite repeatedly being called to faced and heaven knows what else if anybody took the trouble to look (which is too late now) they would see late last night I posted to Alsa saying I thought Arepa was out of order, and whilst I knew a few anon posts came from here I thought in the main they were from ex DX posters stirring as they did not have the guts to open a blogger account and post on here with you all. This was confirmed this morning, but this time Alroy did at least put his name of his post. He accused me of being two face, which is his opinion, but how can someone be two faced if they post under their name on both blogs knowing full well anything they write on either is read by both. Tulip it is that that makes me sick

Mum21 said...

Gina,
I did not read Alsabella's blog later this morning...so I do not know what went on there. The last time I read it was when I noticed a comment from you about having problems with your pictures.
Rather than post you a message on there...I left you one on here.
It must have got pretty bad later this morning if it caused Alsabella to close it.

Tulip said...

Not a pop about your current visit here Gina -- though heaven knows you've made enough pops about people here Over There. I'm talking about how you've announced your intention to leave more times than I can remember but never do.

Don't pretend to be hurt. You HAVE been two faced for as long as I can remember. You can't rewrite history. You have been pally pally over here and then gone back to the other blog to make snide remarks galore. And if there is one word IMHO that you can't seriously use about Alsabella it's 'genuine'. But hey, that's up to you.

But I'm sure if we met we might get on fine. If we didn't discuss the Madeleine case.

I hope the party is a success.

Go (or come and go) in peace!!

Gina said...

No Mum it wasn't really that bad but it was obvious that attacks were starting for absolutely no reason so maybe she just gave up or maybe she is not going to run it when she is not around to monitor it and I do not blame her for that. People seem to work out when she is not about and take advantage of it. I did say once that if it were my blog I would not allow annons but that was after I had worked out how to open a google account. Maybe she left it so others who do not know how to do it can still post. I know some people are nervous about opening a google because I think they think their email address comes up. Who knows!!!!

Mum21 said...

Well I think it is a shame that a few spoil it for the majority...no matter whether it be this blog or Alsabella's.

Gina said...

Tulip, Whatever...

Mum21 said...

Gina..you just reminded me of an American friend I have. If I ever say something she does not like...her curt reply is "Whatever".
If she says that...I know it is time for me to back peddle. te he he

Gina said...

Mum my american daughter in law taught me that, as she says, it kinda put a full stop to an argument

Mum21 said...

Gina, How right you are.
In fact when my friend visits here we often joke about her "whatever..." comments.
She says it shuts me up :-)

Gina said...

Mum guess we have just solved the problem, we all posts our views on our blogs and the opposition just reply "whatever"

Tulip said...

Whatever, Gina!

Mum I know the history of your avatar -- had plenty of laughs about it and the previous one!!

But we musn't give newbies or potential newbies the wrong idea.
So to them I say:
Mum's mind is as sharp as her knitting needles.

Mum21 said...

Now, Ladies...I must love you and leave you for a while. I need to pop into the village to get some food shopping.
see you all later I hope.

Mum21 said...

Gina,

Whatever.......

Talk later
Bye for now.

Sass said...

Mum21

See ya!

Mum21 said...

Tulip...When I return I may just put back my normal avatar. The one I have used here and on the DE.
The knitting one was just a joke....but I prefer the one of the sea where I live.

Bye for now

Mum21 said...

Bye Sass
Enjoy your day

Gina said...

Bye Mum I am going too, and by that I mean going as in going to do something not going going gone.

Will be back if you don't mind for computer training, but that is all.

Mandz said...

Hi Doubting Thomas & All..!

I honestly could not care less about Alsasick blog along with her sick posters like Areap who came here yesterday to personally insult us which she said she was going to do however no one attempted to stop her did they.

As for the Anons that turn up could it be that someone found her site…read her blog…. and didn’t like what was being said and…posted? It is the INTERNET we are ON….. Why assume it is always us??? Always the same with that lot.

Mandz said...

Tulip!

That makes me feel better your story of your beds!!! Teehee!

Sass said...

Mandz

Exactly. As I said earlier, who cares what's happened to it. I reckon she'll disappear for a few days and then come back ready for a puke-making hero's welcome. She'll probably talk about her feelings or something and everyone will say a few "hail Alsabella's" and then it'll be business as usual.

Your bed in the bedroom yet?

Mandz said...

Sass,
I can't stop laughing and how true:
"hail Alsabella's".....I can just seem them all now standing up at their computer desks when she comes back on!!!!!!!!

No still in the hall..all over the place in boxes...Hubbie is going to build it however could not start it at 5.20am!! Will I be in it tonight who knows...?!!!

isis said...

sass and all, to be honest i dont think that people from this blog come to alsabellas and post as anon,thats my opinion for what its worth. However i do believe that there are lurkers from the De loitering with intent and i think we all know why they are.

Sass said...

Mandz

Yup, slobber all over the computer screens, tears of ecstasy as the vision which we know as Alsabella reappears on a screen near you, Clawdia hysterically screaming "long live the queen" and Nanda promising her free cakes from the cake shop she works at if she never ever goes again.

helenm said...

Hi Mandz, have a spare bed or two here if you want!

Do you believe it? 2345 is blaming Metodo3 (Ithink) for hacking into Alsabella's site! An anon also saying that Arepa was a plant of Rosies! no change there then.

I would imagine that Alsabella has just had enough for one day. Sassy is it not possible without shutting the site down to remove the sign in for annonymous posters?

Sass said...

Hiya Isis

Did you see my 11:57 post?

How are you doing?

Sass said...

Helen

It takes two seconds to change from everyone being able to post to IDs only. It's only a case of changing a setting by a simple click of the mouse. It's certainly worth doing - it cut down a lot of rubbish for us!

Sass said...

Helen

Are you still around?

Tulip said...

Helen! What's this about offering Mandz your spare bed?? She's GOT one, for pete's sake, it's just in the wrong place. It's ME ME ME, waving over here, that needs a king-size divided base.

Btw where did you see 2345 and co posting if A's site is down?

isis said...

sass, yes i saw it thanks, im doin ok and keeping busy.Its 17 years and it still like an open wound but geting easier. I have 3 other children to consider so that keeps me focused.

Sass said...

Tulip

Some are posting on Vile's. They have suddenly remembered it is still there and I am sure that Vile is happy that at long last her bog is being used!

joanypony said...

Hi folks,

Have just seen a news headline on my AOL news that ITV have been doing a documentary on the McCanns campaign for a US style alert system for children going missing.

I think it is to be shown for the anniversary.

Tulip said...

Well, Sass, I just hope they remember to flush!!

Sass said...

Isis

From what you've just said I have roughly guessed what happened.

Glad you have the other three to help you through the day.
x

Sass said...

Tulip

That wasn't a typo - it was deliberate!

I hope they flush that one away too!

Sass said...

Joanypony

Hi there

Read about that, too. The money received is to go to the fund.

helenm said...

Tulip, on that woman's site.

No king-size bases but you are welcome to a bed!!!

Sass said...

Helen

If you look at the comment box you can see the message saying

"This blog does not allow anonymous comments."

joanypony said...

Hi sass, yes I noticed that, I'll bet if the 'other' site was still going they would be having a field day!!

Sass said...

Helen

If you refresh the page now and take a look, you can see that anyone can post.

That's how quick it is to do!

helenm said...

Sassy,
Sorry I was referring to Alsabella's blog. Thought that this is maybe what she was doing. Obviously not if it takes a minute. Sorry for the confusion. Hubby always said that I would make a great teacher NOT!!

Sass said...

Changing back to IDs only. Demo over!

Sass said...

Helen

I know you were referring to Arsabliar's! I just wanted to show you how quick it was to do as she, Vile and we all have google blogspots, so the system is the same.

Mandz said...

Hi Isis..!
I don’t know your situation however I wish you well.

Re: Anons
I agree I think there are people out there watching stirring things and probably sit back a laugh at all the trouble they have caused between the blogs. We should all just ignore them.

helenm said...

Well you are quick, not quick enough for me not to have made a fool of myself!!!LOL

Mandz said...

Sass,

Stop it I can't stop laughing!!!!!!

Sass said...

HelenM

You didn't make a wally of yourself! You're posting on the wrong blog for that!!!

Sass said...

Mandz

You're laughing??? I'm freaked out - it's too realistic!

isis said...

Mandz, thanks. As for the anons i think that they are just around to stir and make trouble. Leftovers from the DE i should imagine.

Sass said...

Joanypony

They have certainly missed a prime opportunity!

Mandz said...

Helen!

Thanks for the offer however I better be in it tonight or there will be trouble!!

Mandz said...

Hi Isis!

Yes, left over’s who know all of our views so we are easy targets for them!

isis said...

mandz, nail on head.

Mandz said...

I think as we were saying earlier on that Kate and Gerry have a right to request that the PJ look into this however if they do not it will look suspicious as someone has already mentioned and the McCann's could perhaps sue? if they fail to do so.

Sass said...

Mandz

Did you complain to that company that does early morning deliveries?

Sass said...

Mandz

They can't win anyway. If they don't ask they are acting suspiciously and if they do ask they are telling the police forces what to do!

JANEGT said...

TULIP

YOUR 1557 POST

MENTALHOLICS ANONYMOUS

helenm said...

Mandz,

I don't think the PJ are that stupid not to investigate, even if only giving lip service to it.

There is an anon posting on that woman's site and giving Gina both barrels.

The brain washing by 2345 has worked on Di, she also thinks the Mccann's influence in high places has pulled Alsabella's site.

Mandz said...

Sass,

I did and they apologised and said it's the courier company dear not us sorry again...They obviously use Cowboys.

Mandz said...

Very true Sass.

Sass said...

Mandz

You were probably a late delivery - pity the poor sods who got their furniture at 2.30 am!

helenm said...

Gina,
Your comment to Mum suggests that you believe that it was a poster from this site who gave you grief. Why do people not realise that it could be any poster from anywhere in the world who could have posted. It's beyond belief.

Mandz said...

Hi Helen,

I hope you are right.

What woman’s site....?

Tulip said...

Thanks Jane, found a few of them. The rest probably waiting for the reappearance of the High Priestess.

Sass said...

Gina

You said at 17:00 GMT (just after having posted here) on Vile's site.

"... earlier I had challenged any pros to answer something I had written with a sensible answer, that was ignored, not takers on that one, much easier to personally attack. They honestly think they are hurting and annoying me with these attacks, but to be honest it is flattering really because my posts obviously hit a nerve. "

Mandz said...

Sass,

It he turned up at 2.30am I would have punched him on the nose!! I still can’t quite believe it!

helenm said...

Mandz,
Sorry I always refer to it as that woman's site as I can't stand to give her/him a name. See Jane's post .

Tulip said...

Gina, Helen beat me to it. Nobody on this site writes like that. Once you identify yourself with a 'side' you become fair game for all kinds of oddities.

Heat ... kitchen. Which applies to all of us. Remember -- we don't know who is who.

isis said...

Jane, just seen your post, thanks for your thoughts today.

helenm said...

Sassyp,
I saw that post as well and thought the same as you, but then decided IMO tha Gina was referring to anon posters who came across as pro's.

isis said...

jane , didnt mean the content of your post !! Just that when i saw you on line i would take the chance to thank you.

Mandz said...

Gina,

If that is your post you are talking utter rubbish. The trouble is people do have an “answer” for you however you appear not to take it very well and you storm off in a huff and puff. If you are going off and telling stories at least have the balls and tell people the truth.

Sass said...

HelenM

No idea, but it's not the first time that's happened with Gina, so there's just no benefit of the doubt anymore.

Apart from that when questioned on Vile's she didn't deny it.

Enough's enough!

Hang around Helen - you have a good chance of being the 201st poster!

Mandz said...

I see Helen!

helenm said...

SSSHHHH Sassyp, you've let the cat out of the bag!!! Shame on you. No offer of a bed for you madam! They'll all be queuing (doesn't look right) up now ready to steal my slot!lol.

Just noticed you have put moderator on, you sly dog!

JANEGT said...

gina

I know you will be reading this as usual;

Your posts never 'hit a nerve'

they 'get on one's nerves'

big time!!!!

You are Devious and Duplicitous and have been caught out dozens of times posting here, pretending to be genuine, then post with a totally different slant, against us on other blogs. We here stand up and are counted. You do not, you are 2 faced.

'''Poor me'' doesn't work here.

so

find a new home

this isn't it

JANEGT said...

HELEN

SLY DOG???? NO SENSIBLE BITCH

MORE LIKE

AVOIDS THE STIRRER....... ;O)))))

Sass said...

Genuine accident - I rejected a post from Gina instead of accepting it. Apparently she was referring to the anon pros.

Sass said...

However, as this has happened before I take nothing back of what I said apart from that concerning the one post only.

JANEGT said...

isis

TAKE CARE

;o))

helenm said...

Hi Jane,
Thought Sassyp had put the moderator on so she could keep hold of my post so that I would miss the 201st slot.

Sass said...

Helen

You've rumbled me!

Mandz said...

Who are the anon pros?? Is that what they call themselves anonpros?

It's an INTERNET we are ON....The World Wide Web...Full on millions and millions of people....

Sass said...

Mandz

According to Arsabliar we are the pros - on the M1, M4, M6, etc!

Sass said...

11 more comments Helen!

helenm said...

Gina,

Hope you are monitoring this site as I have something to say to you, and have no intention of lowering my high standards by posting on that woman's site.

You are a LIAR.

You have just done what you always accuse others of doing. If you were able to read correctly you would see that in actual fact I was in a small way defending you. Be rest assured that I will not make that mistake again. You, in my opinion have been given one second chance too many!!

helenm said...

Thanks Sassy.

Sass said...

HelenM

That is what I understood you were doing, too!

It wouldn't have bothered me what she had written if she hadn't run us down umpteen times before on Arsa's site having been on here and had perfectly normal conversations with us.

Mandz said...

Is that right Sass.. Alsa said that!!!!!!! What is that "woman's" problem...? Get over us……..

helenm said...

Sassy, need to make dinner.

helenm said...

Having lamb.

helenm said...

Having lamb.

helenm said...

With brocoli and .....

Sass said...

Mandz

Sorry, lost ya there!

helenm said...

cabbage and....

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