Tuesday, 11 March 2008

Alert 'would have saved' Madeleine McCann

By Sarah Womack Social Affairs Correspondent

A Europe-wide missing-child alert system would have "without doubt" saved Madeleine McCann, an expert on child abduction said.

Lady Catherine Meyer, who founded a charity to tackle child abduction, called for a single Europe-wide telephone number that parents could ring the moment their child went missing.

A Europe-wide alert system may have helped to find missing Madeleine McCann
The system, similar to the Amber Alert in the United States, would flash the child’s details up on television and motorway signs. All ports and airports across Europe would also be alerted. Lady Meyer, wife of Sir Christopher Meyer, the former British ambassador to Washington, said: "I am without a doubt sure that if an Amber Alert was in place when Madeleine McCann went missing she would have been found, without a doubt."She added that British police were "decades behind" America in terms of acting with speed and efficiency to find missing children. "Police say child abduction doesn’t happen in Britain, they say 'there are just one or two highlighted cases’, but it does happen here," she said. "It is just not reported properly."A spokesman for the McCanns said: "Kate and Gerry fully support any effort to increase co-ordination across Europe in the case where a child has gone missing.

"In America they have the Amber Alert system for sending children’s details across the country quickly.

"They welcome anything that can lead to greater co-ordination across Europe that can help to stop other children going missing in the future."

He added: "They know Catherine very well and have had discussion with her about this."

The European Commission launched a Europe-wide missing-child hotline number, 116000, in February last year, but so far only Belgium, Denmark, Greece and Portugal have adopted the scheme.

The Commission’s vice-president, Franco Frattini, said he was disappointed with the progress made at a national level.

"Only four member states showed goodwill until now."

Lady Meyer, founder of Parents and Abducted Children Together (Pact), said that since the US Amber Alert system was set up 1996, following the abduction and murder of nine-year-old Amber Hagerman, 393 missing children have been successfully recovered.

Lady Meyer also called for a single body to co-ordinate child abduction across the UK and Europe and for the European Union to take a tougher stance on children abducted abroad by members of their own family.

Lady Meyer’s sons, Alexander and Constantin are now adults.

But in an interiew in 2003 with the Daily Telegraph she said she had seen them for only 25 hours since they were abducted by her former husband Hans-Peter Volkmann nine years earlier.

He defied a court order by keeping them in Germany when they went there on holiday without their mother.

German courts repeatedly denied her access, although she received backing from courts in Britain and France and support from politicians in Europe and the US.

Her legal battle to get access to them cost her £200,000 - she had to sell her flat, lost her job and several times came close to suicide.

She wrote a book about her experience, entitled They Are My Children, Too: A Mother’s Struggle For Her Sons.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/06/nmadeleine106.xml

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SassyP said...

Hello

Hope you are all OK, your houses are in one piece and your wheelie bins haven't emigrated!

helenm said...

Hi Sassyp you are an early bird. Just posted this on last nights blog, seems we have a new poster.

helenm said...
Welcome, Kiwi girl. I know what you mean, it can seem quite intimidating to actually post, but rest assured that your comments are welcome. It's always nice to get another slant/viewpoint. As I'm sure you are aware most of the posters keep european times, but we do have Diane and I think Calcite who are around same time as you.

11 March 2008 09:04

SassyP said...

Hiya Helen

I am in Austria so I am an hour ahead of those in Britain and as I start work at 07:00 things get posted very early! Especially as it is always the British time that is shown.

Nice to get someone new on the blog - newcomers always welcome!

SassyP said...

Hiya Kiwigirl

Glad you finally plucked up the courage to post here!

Enjoy the blog

Sass

Tulip said...

Jane -- no I'm not Scottish, partly Welsh and mainly English. However, I did spend many years within -- how to put this? -- spitting distance of where notdoc claims to live. I never met any Cape Town doctors remotely like him. They are too busy for a start.

Glad to see another teeterer has jumped in. The water's fine, honest!

I feel that some Portuguese posters on McCann blogs do their lovely country and compatriots no favours, which is a shame.

If the over-the-top publicity re Madeleine results in Europe getting its act together and saves one child it will have been worth it.

I'm busy so can't be here all that often. If you ever need someone to translate Afrikaans just ask!! Also speak French.

Finally, I have noticed on returning years ago to the UK that this country suffers from a huge amount of unhealthy envy and an extraordinary number of chips on shoulders. It's quite creepy and is, I believe, behind much of the nastiness on various blogs.

Mum21 said...

Hi Tulip.
Regarding your comment "unhealthy envy and an extraordinary number of chips on shoulders."

I agree with you on this...and I honestly do believe this is the cause of so many hate filled comments regarding the McCann's on Viv's site. They turn envy into hatred.
As for the Portuguese posters...some are fine. But two of them could do with being taken down a peg or two. They call us the House of Filth...slags...knitting circle etc.....but they know no better.
Perhaps they should look in the mirror before throwing out such accusations. One in particular is joint owner of Viv's blog. Need I say more?
Anyway Tulip...it is great to have you with us.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Kiwi Girl

left a welcome for you on the other board, but just in case you do not see this, welcome again :-)

Mum21 said...

I have just read this article in the Mail today....and am appauled at the wording used by the snitch PJ. If his words are true then they sound more like fighting soldiers than policeman. His choice of the words "Collecting up as much ammunition as possible" goes against all that is held sacred in the justice system.
Since when has the word evidence been the same as the word ammunition?
To me the word PJ conjures up a picture of evil head hunters.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=530320&in_page_id=1811

Mum21 said...

Good Morning Rosie.

calcite51 said...

Hi, Kiwi Girl - welcome to the site and please feel free to post comments - I wished I had seen your comments last nite - we could have chatted.

Thank goodness - you didn't get an unwelcomed visitor last nite. If that ever happens, please don't be initimidated.

Tulip said...

Mum21 yes, the phrase is very adversarial. Of course we don't know what he said in Portuguese.

I don't consider myself at all buttoned up -- on the contrary! -- but repeatedly to use the word 'filth' is quite awful. I don't know whether those who use this word are aware of the impact that makes in English, but to me it is how I would describe a child porn website, not a bunch of good-hearted people who just happen to disagree on a single topic.


Imagine the said user going into her office one day and being told some work she had done had not been approved. 'You filth, you slags' would have her out on her ear.

Judge not lest you be judged I'd say. And this of course applies to their attitude to the McCanns.

The co-owner of Viv's site does seem to be strange and obsessive. The web serves as an outlet for many types of people, some of which one never seems to meet in real life. But maybe we do!

Mum21 said...

Tulip. I believe we do meet them in real life, except when they are face to face with real people they do not have the courage of their convictions.
In other words they are cowards.

calcite51 said...

Just went to the "OTHER SIDE" - someone wrote (I'm sure it's a mistake) Assobella. She appears to be leaving the comment alone (for now).

Tulip said...

Mum 21

Absolutely.

calcite51 said...

Mum21 - how was the storm last nite? I'm glad to see you're safe.
On our news last nite - scenes of the storm were shown. Pretty frightening scenes.

Those PJ's should all be investigated and the ammunition should be used against them - I've never such a fiasco of an investigtion.

Thank goodness, the McCanns have the best legal representation possible.

Mum21 said...

Morning Calcite51.
That made me laugh...but it an apt name for her.
Want to take bets on whether she will remove it?

calcite51 said...

Can you imagine running into some of these people in a social setting? Enough to give anyone nightmares!

Mum21 said...

Calcite51.
Yes, we have weathered last nights storm ok. But they predict another one later today.
The coastline was hit badly just a mile or two along from us and the people were removed safely from their homes. Workmen are today busy trying to shore up the sea defense before the next storm hits this evening.

calcite51 said...

In my heart, I think the following scene will emerge with the interviews:

The British police will ask the questions with the PJ present. The answers will NOT be to the PJ liking and the PJ will storm out of England accusing the British police of being too soft on the arguidos. They'll return to Portugal blaming the fiasco on the British police.

I could be and possibly am wrong but I think that will be the scene.

calcite51 said...

Are they predicting this latest storm to be the last for now?

You are sure being hit with horrific weather.

Mum21 said...

Calcite51.
What I really want to know is when are the PJ arriving?
They seem to have more hot air than a hot air balloon.

Mum21 said...

Calcite51.
Not sure if this is going to be the last storm for now. All they have said is more are to follow.
Here where I live we are still on red severe flood alert.

calcite51 said...

Calgary a big place with many people - good luck in your search.

Mum21 said...

What I do know for sure is....the PJ will NOT like the way the British police operate.
They are not the bully boys the PJ are.
Like you...I believe the PJ will sneak out of the UK with their tails well and truly between their legs.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Tulip,

Yesterday when you joined I was in the middle of exposing another blog owner (Alsabliar) for being a liar and nasty goading trouble maker and when I finally sorted that you had gone.

But a belated welcome to you and you are very welcome here.

I agree with your thoughts on greed and envy being behind a lot of the nasty attacks on some of these blogs.

I believe Kate and Gerry's position has actually worked against them and not for them as some want others to believe. I believe that this case has become a game to some of them which they must win at all costs, if you look at their posts you can actually see this.
They rarely mention Madeleine, even though they all profess to be her voice and want justice for her. Study their posts and a seam of nastiness runs through them like Brighton runs through a stick of Brighton rock!
They want the parents to be guilty and spend their time looking for reports on the internet and in the paper that seem to back what they say. If they get hold of anything they then breathlessly out it up and sit back and wait for the plaudits to come in on what a good story they have found and how of course this is further proof that puts another nail in the coffin of Kate and Gerry.
Except it isn't, what these people fail to write in their comments is, all the proof they think they have, is quite simply 'not' proof, it is just supposition and speculation, yet these disingenuous people present it as fact, but they are fooling no one except themselves.

Most appear to have lost sight of the fact that at the middle of all of this is a little girl who has vanished and it is breaking the hearts of her parents and family, who are besides themselves with worry and anxiousness and I pray that their hell is ended soon. They went on holiday last may and made one mistake and it has cost them their much loved eldest daughter and I simply do not want to read the insane rantings of the shouters and the accusers of the neglect brigade. They know that they have made mistakes too but they haven't the guts or the honesty to admit to them, the sad pathetic people.

I admire these parents they said once in a TV interview that in their search for their daughter they will take anything thrown at them and By God they have and with extreme dignity too.

By wanting this couple found guilty people are actually wanting the lives of the twins to be totally torn apart, they forget that Madeleine is not the only child involved here, there are her brother and sister too.

So the next time the mad and the bad decided to start mad meanderings, perhaps they may like to remember that they are theorising about real people here and not characters in some kind of soap opera.

It comes to something in this world when people are rounded upon for believing in the tenet that underpins any civilised society "innocent until proven guilty" and are accused of being pro child neglect and are told they belong to the "house of filth" because they want to believe the best in people and because they speak out about a grave injustice which is being played out in front of us and because people here would rather see the evidence before they try people and find them guilty of some imaginary crime.

Every day while this is being played out is another day lost in the search for Madeleine.

What are the PJ doing today to find Madeleine?

I despair of the PJ, it has taken them 10 long months to get together some letters to come to Britain and interview a few people, did Madeleine ever stand a chance of being found amid this level of bureaucracy and incompetence?

Rosiepops said...

Sorry a belated Morning Mum and Calcite, I was busy writing a response to Tulip.

Any sign of the PJ? Where are they?

How long have they been coming here to interview these people?

And they wonder why people criticize them?

Mum21 said...

Hi Rosie. How many more times are the PJ going to delay their visit here? Two weeks ago they stated they were soon to be on their way. Now today in the Mail they say they should set off here during the next two weeks.
It just goes on and on and on.
Do they realise what a laughing stock they are making of themselves?

Dobywallah said...

Good afternoon Kiwi and "Tulip from Africaan" nice to have you both on board. What a good plan this "Amber alert System" if it was applied across the whole of Europe, it seems to have had a lot of success in the US. Mum21, Calcite & Rosie, etc. could you tell me how to Encroach on Alsabella and Vivs Blogs, would like to peep in and see what lies and fantasies they are still churning out.

Rosiepops said...

Mum

the first response is to laugh at the Portuguese police and their Keystone Kops image, but it isn't bloody funny is it? The life of a little girl is involved and they cannot get their act together to come here and interview a few people? It takes them 10 months to arrange a few letters?
They would rather keep trying to blame these parents.

We can deduce they probably haven't a shred of evidence, because if they had, the way they have been gunning for this couple they would have charged and had them arrested by now.

They seem to be waiting for some kind of evidence to fall out of the sky and into their laps which will enable them to blame these poor parents.

One day soon it may dawn on them that there is no evidence and the reason there is no evidence is because there quite simply isn't any and the parents are innocent.

The police investigating the Jersey abomination, have already been to 7 countries and interviewed several people and the PJ take 10 months to arrange to come here to talk to people?

Mum do you remember what I said about children's homes to you a couple of weeks back? Look at Jersey? That makes me go cold!
Where better to hide a child than in amongst a lot of other children?

Mum21 said...

Morning Doby.
Are you sure you want to go look at the two "Houses of Horror"?
You are a lot safer here with the knitting circle.

Mum21 said...

But if you are really sure you can take it Doby...here are the links.

http://theworldaccordingtoalsabella.blogspot.com/

http://justiceformaddie.blogspot.com/

Rosiepops said...

haha yes I have nearly finished the last of my Balaclava's which I have knotted to cover the ugly mugs of most of the antis! but I have a feeling that even these will not be able to prevent people from seeing their ugliness of heart.

here are their addresses but be warned take your vomit bowl with you (and Crucifix)

The Vile one (Viv/Felicity)

http://justiceformaddie.blogspot.com/2008/03/how-will-mccanns-discredit-eddie-who.html

The Proven Liar's and nasty goader's site (Asabliar)

http://theworldaccordingtoalsabella.blogspot.com/

Good luck, tie a rope around your waste in case you get lost in the sea of bile.

Rosiepops said...

Mum we crossed!

JANEGT said...

Good Morning all, Mum21, rosiepops, Doby hi to you too...
but doubt you want to go to that big black hole.......put tin hat on.

Yes, Mum21, the wording in the Daily Mail is causing even more touble to a troubled PJ who have not been up to the job since day one. I do no feel they really genuinely looked for Madeleine more than a week or two. After that it seemed to be all about pointing blame, and justifying their policing methods....won't go there would be on all day....


Just thought I would pop in whilst having a quick sandwich lunch...... calmer last night I note unlike Sunday night. urgh.

Tulip said...

Rosie, what you say is true and reflects what everyone I know feels, some of whom are still wearing the yellow Madeleine wristband. They aren't fools or dupes, they've experienced the ways of the world, know as much as any other members of the public, and recognise how easily press reports and blog theories become accepted 'facts' to boost various people's personal agendas.

It also helps, I think, to read broadsheets rather than tabloids. They filter out most of the rubbish and gossip and mostly comment intelligently. Their circulation matters to them -- but it is achieved by being reliable and not stating rumour as fact.

Personally I would never say anything in blogs or HYS comments that I wouldn't be prepared to say to anyone's face. I think that's a useful rule to go by.

I agree too that the McCann's professional status and Kate's looks have done them no good in a country riddled with resentments and 'pull'-em-down' agendas.

Blogs won't have any effect on how things will turn out but I just feel that we should show that some people still have decent principles. That doesn't make us supporters of child neglectors. I'm a supporter of fairness, kindness and doing-as-you would-be-done-by.

JANEGT said...

Good Morning Tulip

and well said. Pull them down precisely....Poor Kate and Gerry just can't win no matter what they do.

I also read this morning Justine McGuinness lives only a couple o miles from the Dorset sighting of Madeleine..... Naturally they have linked this to McCann Clara spin.

Yet another story/sighting brought up in papers, then we hear no more of them, like Sketchman 1 and 2, Taxi driver, France, on and on. I feel these stories just dissipate in to thin air. No wonder we just do not believe what we read any longer. These tabloids have so much to answer for fuelling this attitude of intolerance. Running in same paper 2 or more opposing articles is stupid. Treating readers as stupid is a bad marketing ploy as I am sure they will find out if they are not already.

Dobywallah said...

Rosie, just read your latest post and how right you are, these Anti-Macc's haven't the brains they were born with. I have often said, as you have just done, criticising Kate and Gerry is just a sick game with them without which they would be totally lost. I also wonder if some of them (quite a lot in fact)
resent the fact that so much money was generously donated to the find the Madeleine fund, and if the truth were only known they would like to get their own selfish greedy hands on some of it for themselves! Greed and money, or the lack of it, can do strange things to some peoples minds! You've probably noticed how "money" so often creeps into their depraved discussions.

Dobywallah said...

Mum21, thanks for that, may or may not bother, don't really have a lot of time always,but we'll see!
thanks anyway.
X

calcite51 said...

Doby, I'll leave Rosie to explain how to encroach on Alsabella's site.

All my bags are packed, I'm ready to go to that horrible word again WORK.

You people have a great day. I'll look into the site tonight upon my return home.

Dobywallah said...

Good afternoon Jane, as I have just said to Mumsie, probably won't bother as I'm always stuck for spare time, as I am at the moment in fact' have to get ready, am off to see an elderly relative, poor od chap is under the weather at the moment. Probably come back later if 'old father time' alows me to.

calcite51 said...

Rosie and ST - try not to get into any more heated discussions.

Will catch up tonight.

JANEGT said...

look forward to catching you all later, as lunch time over now.

bye Rosie, Mum, Doby, Calcite, Tulip and everyone.

be good, take care

calcite51 said...

As I'm leaving, I'm really going now - has anybody noticed that 2345 is absent from the other site - the A site? At least, I haven't seen her postings yesterday or today.

Rosiepops said...

Have Just Left this on Alsabliar's because she is saying that we were both cloned and we were not and I am sick of her lies.
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Rosiepops said...
Just to correct any misunderstanding that notdoc may have caused yesterday.

1)Alsabella and I were not cloned by anyone trying to shut down these blogs.

2) It *WAS* definitely Alsabella who came to our blog making nasty goading posts to Jane under the guise of anonymous and signing off under the name of Marla.

3) I know this because Alsabella made a mistake and accidentally posted under her own ID by forgetting to click on ANONYMOUS BEFORE posting.

4) Alsabell realised she had made this mistake and quickly deleted her own post from my blog.

5)If she was a clone why would she do this? the whole objective would be to disrupt the blog leading us to think it was Alsabella, so why would she delete a post that made everyone think she was?

6) what Alsabella did not realise is that I have email notification and it announced by voice and by written word that Alsabella had left a comment on the blog.

7) I went to see what Alsabella had written, to discover she had deleted it, wondering why this was I went to my email where I could read her comment, it was a nasty goading comment to Jane signed by MARLA the same name as the ANONYMOUS poster had been goading Jane had been using when Posting under ANONYMOUS (I have the proof, I posted it here, the only thing I changed was to delete my email address, which is NOT a hotmail address)

8) I think this is strange so I clicked on the name ALSABELLA which is who the comment was sent in by and I was taken straight to Alsabella's Google profile and there sitting under her name was the link to here The World Accroding To Alsabella.

9) Since then of course Alsabella has made her profile unavailable.

10) Too late Alsabella too many people saw this as I emailed it them and they took a look beofre I put it up on the board what you had done.

11) If this wasn't enough Alsabella decided to clone my name in a vain attempt to explain why her name suddenly appeared on my blog pretending to be Marla and goading one of our regular posters.

12) It did not work she forgot that I use a distinctive avatar, so was rumbled straight away, she also forgot that it showed the date the clone rosiepops joined, which was yesterday.

Nice try Alsabella but you have exposed yourself all on your own.
you have shown yourself in your true colours to be what a lot of us have know for a long time. I do not for one minute think that your followers are going to believe this, but that is up to them if they want to carry on being as deluded as you obviously are.

One thing though Alsabella by doing this you are showing how utterly obsessed you have become with this, that you would do and say anything to have the McCann's guilty and will do and say anything to discredit anyone who tries to say anything against your insanely held beliefs which are nothing but speculation.

you know nothing more than anyone else but you have managed to pull the wool over some gullible people's eyes, but even if you have, ou must know even in your deluded state that this will not make the McCann's guilty, only evidence will do this, evidence that is just not there despite all your protestations and nudge nudge wink wink insinuations that you know otherwise.

You do not, now do the decent thing and stop lying to these people on here and try to realise that you are trying to condemn two other innocent people to a life of hell and in so doing you are not showing a jot of compassion, or understanding for Madeleine or her brother and sister, or her grandparents or family and do the world another favour Alsabliar, top writing nasty letters to Madeleine's grandmother, you quite simply are not a fit enough person to do this, you are far to obsessed and manipulative.

note again that I use my own ID and do not enter your blog skulking around as Anonymous posting under Marla.

11 March 2008 13:27

SassyP said...

Am now going to get the blog back on topic and off the vicious morons on the other blogs!!!

The idea of a European alert is, especially now, absolutely essential. Anyone trying to get a child out of Britain has a more difficult job (but not impossible) Britain being an island.

However, if you are in a Schengen country such as Austria, Germany, Slovenia there are no border controls anymore. You could abduct a child in Northern Germany and get to Ljubljana with no problem at all.

Even before Schengen, on mainland Europe it was pretty easy to cross a border thanks to the domestic borders for the locals. There were no border guards there for most of the day - people just to cross back and forth as necessary - noone checking papers.

It should be made as difficult as possible (I'd like to say impossible but I realise that that isn't realistic) for the scum who take kids for their own purposes to operate.

melbel said...

Afternoon all and welcome to Tulip and Kiwigirl.
It is interesting that Kiwigirl has some knowledge of Kate, if I read that right.
I sincerely hope that when the mid April deadline, as I understand it , is reached in legal terms, in Portugal,the PJ will play fair.I cannot see how they can string it out for up to 15 years, as I understand it.
Reading today's article, I am all in favour of sharing knowledge and learning from countries like the USA,who are more advanced in triggering alerts.
I believe that they show photos of missing children, on grocery items.
It will be an uphill struggle in Europe though, if the poor mother in today's article, was denied access to her children all those years, by a friendly government, Germany.To think that the children just went on holiday and were never allowed back, supported by the courts.
I have been looking at DM article and agree that the use of the word "ammunition ",by the PJ, allegedly, is mind boggling.Could it be mischievous tabloid reporting, language and communication problems, or did the Keystones really say it ?
I am trying to be charitable and tell myself that, of course, in order to tie loose ends up and release the arguidos, they must come and wind this up.
However, as Tinks said, they should have the timescales sorted long ago and made arrangements to speak to other tourists.
After all ,people are desperate to help and if K and G had stayed sitting in Portugal, what good would that have done when it has taken until now, to get the questions past their judge and they are not here yet.?.

They are always on their way, in 2 weeks, like the Grand Old Duke of York.
They really must pass this case over to our Police.
In Goa, the Minister of Tourism,has apparently admitted that the Indian Police in Scarlett's investigation, were trying to protect their tourist industry,by initially claiming that Scarlett drowned.
I am chilled to think that this big reservoir in Portugal is being searched re Madeleine.
The lawyer must think there is some truth in what the member of the criminal underworld, told him, to put his own money in.
So, I salute the good people in Portugal, like him, who must be more plentiful, once the whole facts are known.
I prefer to see this side of the Portugese nation, kind and family loving, not the purveyors of spite and vindictiveness, on the other sites.
Regards all.
Pardon the poor typing.

melbel said...

Afternoon all and welcome to Tulip and Kiwigirl.
It is interesting that Kiwigirl has some knowledge of Kate, if I read that right.
I sincerely hope that when the mid April deadline, as I understand it , is reached in legal terms, in Portugal,the PJ will play fair.I cannot see how they can string it out for up to 15 years, as I understand it.
Reading today's article, I am all in favour of sharing knowledge and learning from countries like the USA,who are more advanced in triggering alerts.
I believe that they show photos of missing children, on grocery items.
It will be an uphill struggle in Europe though, if the poor mother in today's article, was denied access to her children all those years, by a friendly government, Germany.To think that the children just went on holiday and were never allowed back, supported by the courts.
I have been looking at DM article and agree that the use of the word "ammunition ",by the PJ, allegedly, is mind boggling.Could it be mischievous tabloid reporting, language and communication problems, or did the Keystones really say it ?
I am trying to be charitable and tell myself that, of course, in order to tie loose ends up and release the arguidos, they must come and wind this up.
However, as Tinks said, they should have the timescales sorted long ago and made arrangements to speak to other tourists.
After all ,people are desperate to help and if K and G had stayed sitting in Portugal, what good would that have done when it has taken until now, to get the questions past their judge and they are not here yet.?.

They are always on their way, in 2 weeks, like the Grand Old Duke of York.
They really must pass this case over to our Police.
In Goa, the Minister of Tourism,has apparently admitted that the Indian Police in Scarlett's investigation, were trying to protect their tourist industry,by initially claiming that Scarlett drowned.
I am chilled to think that this big reservoir in Portugal is being searched re Madeleine.
The lawyer must think there is some truth in what the member of the criminal underworld, told him, to put his own money in.
So, I salute the good people in Portugal, like him, who must be more plentiful, once the whole facts are known.
I prefer to see this side of the Portugese nation, kind and family loving, not the purveyors of spite and vindictiveness, on the other sites.
Regards all.
Pardon the poor typing.

melbel said...

sorrymods.
I have lost my dustbin and you do not want my pearls of wisdom[!] twice.

SassyP said...

No problem Melbel! I found your dustbin!

SassyP said...

Melbel

But isn't it sad that the lawyer and the construction engineering company sponsoring the dive, have to finance this themselves. If there is a tip-off why is the police not diving?

I do find it strange that the McCanns, according to the press, have never mentioned the dive and the fact that someone is paying for all this. I do realise, however, that they want to concentrate on finding Madeleine alive and not on finding her body.

melbel said...

Hi Sassy
I cannot get my head round it either and could not imagine it happening over here.
He is no fool and even though I think they are heroes, there must be quite a lot of Portugese swallowing the Police line, so he possibly has not much support there.
Poor K and G and family.
They will not want to go down this road, even though they need to know.
It really is so unfair.
I would have cracked months ago and it must be their close relationship and excellent family and friends and work colleagues keeping them going.

SassyP said...

I too would have cracked - I would have completely lost the plot.

Melbel, I have to go now. Hope to get back on later but have an evening class, so it will be quite late.

See you and have a nice afternoon!

Sass

JANEGT said...

Further to our comments earlier today re the wording in the Daily Mail article on the McCanns and 'ammunition' gathering by the PJ, it is no longer there.

A new article on AMBER ALERT has taken its place just now. The McCanns are to appear in an ITV programme on missing children generally and promote the Amnber Alert system as used in the US.

At least this is a positive article unlike the earlier one which has now, rightly, been pulled.

I did post early this morning objecting and indeed questionning the word 'ammunition'..... My post was not, nor was any other, put up. So at 2 pm I posted my comment again. Yet again, it was not posted, and the total 0 comments remained throughout the day. Frankly, I do not believe it at all. The Daily Mail is guilty of doing this. Any comment they do not like, or that disagrees with their column, is not published. This is pointless. Why have 'comments' when you don't in fact or in reality want them?

Schoolrun/coffee time now back later folks. Just thought you would like the update......

helenm said...

Jane hi, Iv'e tried to post comments before on DM and so far have only been successful in 1comment being posted. My comments have never been abusive, so don't understand it at all.

Mum21 said...

Jane. I think this is where the Mail got their latest article...The Guardian today.

The parents of Madeleine McCann are in discussions with ITV about appearing in a documentary about missing children.

MediaGuardian.co.uk has learnt that discussions have been held between representatives of Kate and Gerry McCann and the commercial broadcaster about a long-form documentary.

It is thought that while the film would feature the McCann's own experience, it would have a greater focus on how different countries treat missing children. The documentary would examine initiatives such as Project Amber in the US, which sees alerts posted on electronic roadside billboards as soon as a child is reported missing.

The McCanns had been in discussions with Channel 4 and independent production company Darlow Smithson, the company behind Touching the Void that is part of the IMG Group, about an observational documentary about Madeleine, but this is now not going ahead.

Clarence Mitchell, the McCann's spokesman, confirmed discussions had taken place with ITV.

"We have talked to one or two companies and have a number of proposals and we are moving forward with those proposals," he said.

"It more than likely it would be with ITV at this stage, but I am not at liberty to go into details."

Mitchell added that the McCanns were keen to highlight different initiatives that help look for missing children.

"We are looking at a long form documentary surrounding some of the wider issues Kate and Gerry want to highlight like the creation of an Amber alert system in Europe," he said.

"There is nothing like it in Europe. Each country has its own systems but they don't talk to each other.

"Kate and Gerry are keen to discuss that part of improvement with [non government organisations] and we may well do a documentary looking at that aspect."

Mitchell added that the McCanns did not want to do another film about how they felt about the disappearance of Madeleine, who vanished from a Portugese holiday apartment in May last year.

"They don't want to do anything about 'woe is us a year on'," Mitchell added. "That is what the tabloids would like but we are not following their agenda, we are following our own agenda."

He said the McCann's would not profit from any new film themselves.

An ITV spokesman declined to comment.

The McCann's have previously worked with the BBC on a controversial Panorama special.

The Panorama programme, which pulled in 5.3 million viewers in November on BBC1, was hit by controversy after its original producer David Mills walked out, claiming criticism of the media and Portugese police was toned down for the version eventually transmitted.

Last week, it was confirmed the McCanns had made formal complaints to Express Newspapers over a series of what Mitchell claimed were "wildly and grossly defamatory" articles in the group's titles' coverage of Madeleine and were considering taking legal action.

They have instructed London law firm Carter Ruck, which specialises in high profile libel cases, to push for a settlement.

· To contact the MediaGuardian newsdesk email editor@mediaguardian.co.uk or

JANEGT said...

helen

Yes, I find it most odd. They do not genuinely want comments at all unless holding up their article to be fantastic.....

I keep going back Helen to this taxi driver sho seemed so certain Madeleine was in his car with Murat and a blonde woman, and another 2 men. His timings seemed out, but apart from that he seemed so so sure, and his son being in the GNR too seems odd that the report to police at the time was 'ignored'. So much seems to have been also ignored it worries me. It doesn't add up somehow, but is he lying? Mistaken? If he is, some other kid must have been in suspicious company at least....so why on that alone, did they not follow it up? I am puzzled. (huh aren't we all???)

Our blog discussion article today is now most apt and up to date in light of the McCanns doing a TV programme on missing children and how different countries handle it. They are basing it on the US Amber Alert system metioned in our front page here today.

Rosiepops said...

Jane

I found the article you were referring to if anyone else wants to read it. I missed it so am going to do just that back soon.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article
_id=530320&in_page_id=1811

JANEGT said...

Hello there Mum21

How are you and how is the weather with you? Looks horrid if TV reports this morning were right. Awful!!!

Yes, it seems the guardian and daily mail are same....know what interested me more though...the high profile libel lawyers on their case.....?? Imminent news to come?

I also have read snippets re the PJ are here, flew into Bimingham 2 days' ago = posted by someone who works at Birmingham airport???

GOOD

at least things can be seen to be done as I have seen nothing progressing for months, and months........depressing.

JANEGT said...

Hi there Rosiepops

Are you dry???

The earlier article was silly in my view, and the word 'ammunition' I posted an objection to and queried the translation. No response, no comment published. So did it again at 2 pm again ignored. Still not ONE comment published on DM. Then article pulled 2 hrs later. How strange.

A closed shop it would seem. Pity.

Tulip said...

Jane
I think the DM was listening to you!

helenm said...

I don't for one minute believe that this woman has stated that this alert system would have 'without doubt' saved Madeleine. With all the best systems in the world, the best investigation teams and the wherewithall of persons willing to help, it is always possible that the system in some cases fail. That is not to say that Europe does not need this system, it is obviously a tried and tested method and surely can only aid resources in finding missing children.

I also find it difficult to comprehend the following,

"Police say child abduction doesn’t happen in Britain, they say 'there are just one or two highlighted cases’, but it does happen here," she said. "It is just not reported properly."

At first I thought she was confusing Britain with Portugal, I could quite understand the phrase 'decades behind' America in terms of acting with speed and efficiency to find missing children.. If this was not an error then I would be interested to know what her thoughts are on the Portuguese police in their investigation and search for Madeleine.

IMO her comments may have been taken out of context. What I also find unbelievable is that Britain would appear to have failed to sign up to the initiative of the European hot-line number for missing children.

JANEGT said...

ha ha tulip if the Daily Mail is listening to me, it's the first time. In 10 months of not many to be honest, posts, not one has been published.

But in a way, who can blame them if Clara is sueing them all, the Mirror went first, then the Daily express which lasted longer than I suspected....then a brief 'comeback' for a few hours the other night....does anyone know what that was all about? Testing the water? Defying Clara to Say he would sue? WHAT????

i AM BAFFLED.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Jane

Have just read that article in the Mail, more sloppy third hand journalism in my opinion and the newspaper 24 Horas is involved so I would take that with a very large pinch of salt.

We are coming for a week but if we cant manage to wrap it one week we could stay for 2 months, oh OK only a difference of 7 weeks then, it is absolutely laughable.
I would like to see the size of their suit cases.

Apparently they could not have flown into Birmingham airport from Portugal as there are no flights into Birmingham from Portugal!

I just think this is more rubbish probably fed to blonde ugly bimbos with spots and a 5 0'clock shadow who work in the PJ offices, who have then gone straight to 24 Horas to sell their story and what is more it has been designed to do this to try and unsettle the McCann's, you couldn't make this rubbish up could you?
As much "ammunition" as possible, what kind of kids talk is that?
What the hell could the T7 tell them that would give them as much ammunition as possible that they do not already know?
I suspect the person that says he did not see Jane Tanner or this man is the 2nd waiter.

I hope the thicko PJ have investigated this 2nd waiter, because I would like to know exactly what he was doing outside the McCann's apartment, it is nowhere near the restaurant, so why was he there when he should not have been? And the 1st waiter's story completely contradicts his, so I hope the PJ have investigated these inconsistencies too.

How do we know this waiter wasn't the inside person that many suspect there was?

Said it before and will say it again, something is wrong here, something does not add up and the PJ are ignoring it, WHY?

JANEGT said...

It most sadly and certainly DOES happen in UK look at that evil monster Robert Black - we discussed on here before,- and he is in jail for many many abductions and also suspected of far more. Tip of Iceberg.

He is the face of true evil.

I do not want death penalty back, for obvious reasons, but in his case, I might make an exception.

JANEGT said...

Yes Rosiepops

I took the we are here, and may stay up to 2 months or more to be a sort of veiled threat........

???

It would not surprise me if they are here. Weren't there 3 previous meetings not reported?

Their deadline, isn't it mid April is coming soon, and the McCanns are allegedly going to Ireland for Easter, so they woul need to get here now. Hardly likely with current weather conditions, so perhaps it is true they are here now. I read there was a flight Faro to Birmingham and there was extra activity a couple of days' ago at 9 pm or so on the Times blog, by a worker at the airport if you believe that, of course....... Hadn't read the Times blog before so read all of it today. Quite interesting.

I also had a look at Martin Brunt's blogs today, not very much there, but he does say he ''does not trust the sources from Portugal''.....ha ha ha so what's new? We kind of gathered that.





who knows?

Rosiepops said...

Helen

I was thinking that too when I read the story, how could she say this would have prevented Madeleine's abduction without a doubt? You cannot possibly make a claim like that.

I also thought it was incorrect when they were talking about how many child abductions we have, because we all know we have more than that. Maybe more get highlighted yes, but I cant see the police saying that.

I think this is yet more sloppy journalism, sick of it to be honest.

I also know that we introduced a new alert system in the UK in 2007 I think, I'll look for the details.

I have not even heard of this alert system in the UK let alone it being turned down, this report strikes me as odd, when you read it closely it is full of contradictions.

Another thing we have to remember we are an island so it is easier for us to close and check out borders and this would be taken into consideration when any alert system is being considered.

Rosiepops said...

Here it is about the alert system, I knew I had read it somewhere, it makes that story seem even odder because they never even mentioned this.


The Child Rescue Alert system was launched here (GB) nationally only last year, (2007) and is based on the Amber Alert system that runs in the US.

Essentially, the system relies on the media being told at the earliest stage, to encourage the public to act as the "eyes and ears of the police".

The Council of Europe recommends that its members should run a national missing persons' bureau. In GB there basically 4 levels of criteria that need to be met (1) The child is apparently under the age of 18-yrs-old; (2) There is reasonable belief that the child has been kidnapped or abducted; (3) There is reasonable belief that the child is in imminent danger of serious harm or death; (4) There is sufficient information available to enable the public to assist the police in locating the child.

Circulation of an alert to all the media outlets the individual force has agreements with, which will contain some or all of the following:
Description of the child
Scanned photo of the child
Details of location and nature of the offence
Description of the offender(s)
CCTV/photo of the offender(s)

Rosiepops said...

Jane

I doubt that Birmingham airport would allow a plane to land from Portugal, they do not receive flights from Portugal. I think they do in emergencies and for important people maybe, but the PJ are about a important as next doors mangy cat!

Not saying they aren't here, but doubt they flew into Birmingham, I expect that is another stupid story put about by a McCann hater.

Also about this deadline who said this? Because it was reported this deadline runs out at around 18th March a few weeks back and the McCann's have said if their arguido status is not lifted them they will be going back to Portugal to confront the PJ.

Easter is March 23rd I don't know who said the McCann's were going to Ireland then or how long they are going for, but I will be interested in seeing if the McCann's do go back after Easter, or if this is yet again a lot of tripe we are being fed by newspapers wanting to sell papers?

Also Brunt saying he doesn't trust PJ sources? Neither do the Portuguese journalists but it doesn't stop them printing this load of garbage does it?

All the stories we read in the British press come from Portuguese journalists whose sources are as rubbish as the papers they write it.
All the journalists hang out in a bar called Hugo Beaty's in PDL and apparently a woman interpreter goes in each morning and translates what the Portuguese journalists want to feed the British journalists, is it any wonder we get a garbled load of nonsenses like that rubbish printed in the Mail today?

Let's face it whoever wrote that is not going to be winning any prizes for journalistic bent are they? lol

JANEGT said...

take your points Rosie ;o))))

Yes, we are spoon fed so much garbage....I read 2 reports today the flight was 2 days' ago arriving 9 pm ... Faro to B/ham but have no clue as to true or not. They seemed certain though.

The McCanns go to Ireland every Easter for a family reunion and it was in the papers a couple of weeks ago they were going soon, so I wondered then when/if PJ questions would be before or after it. But as we well know, their time limits do not exist - except on paper or in press releases.

I was laughing at the bar and the 'news' feed. ha ha ha that explains a lot.....

~what a mess and muddle.

I just hope things move forward now, as it has been ridiculously slow. Noone has been looking for Madeleine for so very long now I despair.

Dragging of this dam stops soon also I believe....was it Friday I read? Can,t remember. So many starts to so many things, no middle, certainly no end. Awful.

At least the McCanns have to force themselves to focus on Sean and Amelie or they would have cracked by now. I know I would have. I am even just cracking on these vitriolic posters on our blog. ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

;o)))

Isn't the mid April deadline when they have to release them from arguido status or 'tell them what they have', (fat chance of that...!!!) or yet again....yyyaaawwwnnnn ... extend it.??

Never known such an 'elastic' timed Police Force.

chinadoll said...

Hi Jane & Rosiepops, if your still around.

The wind here on the South East Coast has been building up steadily all day. Looks like it could be a bumpy evening.

So the UK joined the Missing child alert system, last year and Belgium, Denmark, Greece and Portugal adopted a Europe-wide missing child hotline number.
What about the other European countries?
Surely we should have a system that is adopted and followed by all European members? It all seems disjointed to me.

JANEGT said...

good evening Chinadoll

how are you? trust your roof is still on????

Yes, if you are going to have an alert system and register all have to comply or it is worthless. as we are all in EEC like it or not, then it should at least be EEC based with a view to a worldwide blueprint to follow, regulated often.

I expect everyone is at dinner now. I am just at the coffee stage and trying as per usual to do 12 things at once. Oh dear.

Glad you are still an official 'blogger' with your yellow/orange B sign.......well done. !!!

Tinkerbell43 said...

I dont think she can say having an Alert system would have saved Madeleine, but at least she may have stood a chance, she may also have stood a chance if the PJ had applied the 2 exceptions to their archaic secrecy law!.

Mum21 said...

Good Evening All.

Chinadoll, it seems you are having the same weather as I am. I am on the south coast and we have another flood warning this evening. It seems the sea is breaking through the sea defence and causing havoc. A beautiful sight all the same.

Rosiepops said...

hiya all

But we have a system something like the Amber alert which was introduced last year!

Tinks

good point re the secrecy laws! The PJ seem to obey them when it suits them!

Rosiepops said...

I think we should have a European DNA based Sex Offenders Register, have said this many times, then if there is another case as with Madeleine, unknown DNA was found in the apartment at least it can be checked against it.

chinadoll said...

Back Again,

Hi Mum21,

The south coast certainly seems to be taking the brunt of the winds this evening. I think the storm will visit your area first, before making its way along the coast to where I live. I thought Tinks was between the two of us, but I think I got that wrong.

Let's hope it dies down soon.

Mum21 said...

Viv has stated on her vile blog that little Mari's fingernails were missing. Whether this is true or not...I do not know. Of course this has really got them all going...including 2345.
I cannot help but wonder if they have the intelligence to realise it is possible for fingernails to disappear due to being a very long time in water. If her body was very decomposed..then I would expect that to include hair and fingernails.
2345 as usual suspects the parents.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi China,

Isnt it awful, its that eerie feeling of the calm before the storm, literally. I'm completely useless at Geography, but I think I am on the fringes of it tonight!

Mum21 said...

Chinadoll. Tinks says she is in Southend...but I am not exactly sure where that is.
Hopefully by the time the storm reaches you it will have blown itself out.
But it sure is breezy here tonight.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hiya Mum,

As per usual, the more gruesome the details the more they feed on it. 2345 almost works herself into a frenzy as if her mouth is watering at the thought of it all.
Its really scary behaviour.

chinadoll said...

Mum21,

That is truly shocking. Why would anyone wish to discuss the various stages of decomposition & in such detail, as fingernail loss?

Why can they not respect little Mari Luz's memory and let her rest in peace?

They sound like a pack of hyenas/vultures, picking over a corpse.

Mum21 said...

Hi Tinks and Chinadoll.

Of course the queen from the House of Hell was over visiting and putting her oar in.

(waves alsabella)

Tinkerbell43 said...

Does anyone know whether the PJ have arrived, I heard somewhere they were supposed to be flying into Birmingham Airport yesterday.

helenm said...

Hi folks, just heard from my daughter (who has only just got home from work, usually home by 6.30) that a roof has come off a building and someone has apparently died. Roads closed and police preventing anybody walking.

Also off subject just to say how deeply saddened I am by the news that Chief Constable Michael Todd of the Greater Manchester Police has been found dead in Wales earlier today. Being from the Manchester area I know that he was respected for his pro-active stance aganst crime and the safety of the public he served. My thoughts are with his family, he will be sorely missed.

chinadoll said...

Hi again Tinks,

Hopefully, you will get the tail end of the storm - although that is bad enough. The wind is really violent here tonight, but at least, we have been spared the rain.

chinadoll said...

Mum21,

I am surprised that Alsabella continues to associate herself with that vile site. I may not see eye to eye with her, but I thought she was a lot better than that.

JANEGT said...

Hi everyone, how's tricks?

chinadoll said...

HelenM,

I too, heard the sad news about Chief Constable Michael Todd, who was clearly held in high regard and will be greatly missed by his family, loved ones and those he served.

Where (roughly) does your daughter live? Only answer, if it does not compromise you. This is the first loss of life I have read, as a direct result of the winds/storm.

Mum21 said...

Chinadoll.
My opinion of Alsabella has hit rock bottom recently.
She is all mouth and no trousers...as the saying goes.
To be friendly with and stick up for people like docmac, Viv, 2345, Claudia and several others....then in my book she deserves no respect at all.

chinadoll said...

Hi Janegt,

Read back a few posts and you will see the one from Mum21 commenting about the continued disgusting content of conversation, on the vile site.

chinadoll said...

Mum21,

That is very disappointing to hear that Alsabella has sunk so low - are you sure she actually agrees with some of those low life? On the DX, whilst always opinionated (as we all are) she always seemed to keep a respectable distance from the 'Wild Ones'

JANEGT said...

Yes, read it. Not nice reading is it? Best remembering little Mari Luz as a lovely little girl and leaving it at that. I too read the report. Not nice reading and pointless. Poor wee soul.

How anybody could take pleasure in discussing this on a blog to score points is gruesome in the extreme.

beggars belief.

but I am coming to believe anything is ok with them. How would they feel if it was their child??? They would not act in this fashion.

Helen

Awful news about a fatality in the storms. How awful. I take it your daughter is on the south coast too?

helenm said...

Chinadoll, Trafford area of Manchester

chinadoll said...

Tinkerbell,

I have read no reliable new that the pj have arrived - only the usual speculation, from the usual suspects hehe

chinadoll said...

HelenM,

I was really shocked at your reply, as I thought the winds were battering the South Coast the most.
The storm must be heading North now. My thought are with all in the path of such fierce winds.
Hope your daughter, her family and commmunity, keep safe.

chinadoll said...

HelenM,

I picked up a weather website from a DX poster, called
www.met-monkey.co.uk, which has very accurate weather updates and a friendly forum, where posters pass on personal information/experiences.

Rosiepops said...

Hi china,

Do you know that Alsabella was over yesterday as Anonymous signing as Marla and goading Jane? (Until she forgot to check the Anonymous button) then she came up as her full ID and a check on her ID led directly to her Google profile and to her blog.
Then she cloned me to try and divert attention away. I may not be a whiz with computers but I am not a complete moron either!

yet she criticizes others for doing exactly what she does.

This is why we have to have this site as Google Members only because of these attempts to wreck our blog.

chinadoll said...

Rosiepops,

Where are you?

I hope you are not out walking your dog tonight?

helenm said...

Chinadoll, it would appear at the moment in the North West they are having severe gusts of wind with wind dropping in between. These winds apparently to increase in momentum during the night and into tomorrow morning.

It has yet to be confirmed about the death.

Rosiepops said...

I think the weather is worse than yesterday!

Dobywallah said...

Hi there Chinadoll & Tinks, I'm back but not for very long, I can fall asleep on the cloths line at this time of day, but then again I frequently wake up at 4.30 to 5.00 in the mornings! Then I just lie there for half an hour or so, get my brain working again!

Rosiepops said...

No his turn tonight! but we have been out with her twice already. It is really fierce here, I would love to say where I am but I have a couple of net stalkers that would love that info lol

chinadoll said...

Rosiepops,

I really cannot understand why Alsabella would do such a thing. I look into her website, now and then and make an odd post and it seems a popular website.
Perhaps someone was making mischief!

Rosiepops said...

Helen

they are talking about suicide for Michael Todd, such a shame, his poor family.

chinadoll said...

Hi there Doby,

Don't try the washing line routine tonight he he he.

Sounds like you are working too hard. Take it easy.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Well according to Martin Brunts latest report, he says the requestioning is expected to take place in the next few weeks. This is beyond a joke whats the hold up now, we are 7 weeks off the first anniversary for christsakes!

What they are putting these parents through is inhumane.

Rosiepops said...

china

No I originally thought that this is why I checked it out, but I know it was her definitely.

Dobywallah said...

Rosie, I said a while ago that alsabella is a bit of a Con who puts on this nicy nicy smarmy attitude as though butter wouldn't etc. But she's never folled me for one minute, say one word against Portugal or the PJ and the true colours come to the fore!

JANEGT said...

clearly I am very lucky then with what you are all saying. Not arrived as far as me yet. Just very cold, torrential rain, and a bit windy as gale warning out for tonight.

No doubt the wheelie bins will be dancing around all night again.

Rosiepops said...

I dont think the popularity of the website has anything to do with it.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Doby,

I keep missing you. You could always come and post to Calcite if you cant sleep, poor thing got stuck with Vile the other night.

My poster of the week award goes to Calcite for surviving the encounter!

Rosiepops said...

Doby

I think you have hit the nail on the head, she doesn't like what I say about the PJ and has never understood that it is not because they are Portuguese that I criticize, it is because I think they are incompetent. She has never had me fooled either, not for a second!

What really annoyed me was that she attacked Jane and I am getting really cross at people that think they can come here and attack her like that. She knew if she attacked me I would totally blank her.

Mum21 said...

Rosie. The popularity of her blog is down to the mean anti's from the DE. You get very few Pro's commenting on her blog. Plus the few that do comment get deleted straight away.
With people like Viv and docmac posting on there...it will soon reach sewer level the same as Viv and Claudia's blog.

dianeh said...

Hi To everyone.

In regards to the comment about abductions in Britain. In my readings, the problem in Britain seems to be one of a lack of centralised reporting of child abductions. There is no central register, so no one actually knows the extent of the problem. According to experts in the area, all missing children reports need to be reported to a central place, using standardised guidelines. This will then allow the true picture of abductions to be shown. ie family abductions vs stranger abductions etc.
There has never been any questions about the quality of the police work in the searches or anything like that. In fact, I have read that Britain is world class in their practices. Many of the practices have been adopted here in Australia.

chinadoll said...

Rosiepops,

The reason why I mentioned a mischief maker, is that IMO, Dope/Dad23 takes the crown in that department and has clearly been instrumental in same in the past.

Also, in between other tasks yesterday, I kept popping my nose in here and saw a post from Dope saying that it was nice to talk to you ladies, but he could not hang around. I read back and Dope had not contributed anything - only the sh.t stirring anon.
When I later looked for the Dope post, it was not there!
Perhaps it was one of those deleted by the author?

Rosiepops said...

Doby

If you get a chance you should read Calcites responses to Vile they are hilarious! You cant see what Vile said because they have dbeen removed, but calcites are worth a read they start from 02.13

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3533557196802846991&postID=702901109052685561

dianeh said...

Kiwigirl

Good to see you have posted.

Are you the same Kiwigirl I have seen post on another forum that you had met Kate years ago when she was living in NZ. If it was you, then I saw you defending Kate on that blog (cant remember which one it was, maybe 3 arguidos)and a good job you did as well.

Sorry if you had already answered this but I havent got time to go back through the blog.

chinadoll said...

Rosiepops,

I remember reading Calcites posts and she was brilliant - she was obviously in guard dog mentality - Good for you Calcite.

Dobywallah said...

Tinks, I can't remember how long it is now since they were first coming over to question G & K and the other seven, but I'll bet it's five or six months ago at least! I think they are scratching their heads and trying to decide what sort of questions they would ask that they haven't already, goodness knows they had more than enough time when G & K were in Portugal. It's just one big bluff, they have no evidence and and trying to cover each others Ar..s.The embarrasment and humiliation must be eating away at them, I'll bet the main every day topic for the PJ is something like, "OK lads, so how the hell are we going to get out of this mess?" and they've probably shot the guy who first suggested coming over here to question witness's!

JANEGT said...

I agree with you tinkerbell both your post and re Calcite. What a night she had. She was on top form though. Well done to her. I read the posts the following morning. Oh dear.

CALCITE if you read this when you come on after work later tonight, well done you for putting up the barricades when the attack took place couple of nights back. You did well.

DOBY I kno how you feel, tonigh I too could sleep on a clothes rope. In fact am off now. Not that the whistling winds will aid sleep, but at least I will be horizontal.

Catch you all tomorrow, and I do hope you have a peaceful, fury free night tonight.

See you soon

Good Night all.....

;o)

Dobywallah said...

Rosie, thanks, I'll go back and take a look!

Mum21 said...

Good Night Jane.
Stay safe and God Bless.

helenm said...

Doby, I agree re the reference to Alsabella the PJ and her country, and in one way I admire her for that. It is such a pity that the synchophants that are British are in such a rush to condemn anything British in order to gain favour with her.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Goodnight Jane, Take care and sleep well xx

Dobywallah said...

Goodnight Jane!

chinadoll said...

Goodnight Janegt and take care, you lovely lady.

Rosiepops said...

China

I have a copy of every post sent to my email, even if they are deleted I would have been able to read them.

This is how I knew Alsabella had posted I have email alert and I saw her name come up, yet when I went to check she had deleted the post, so I went and checked in my email and read it there.

It was definitely her we had an anonymous posting and signing off as Marla, and alsabell made a post signed off as Marla and then forgot to check the anonymous button so the post came from Alsabell signed as marla in the post.

I clicked on the name alsabella and it went straight to her profile in Google and it also displayer her blogspot The Worls According To Alsabella. it was not anyone other than Alsabella.

Here is a copy of the email I was sent
The name Alsabella is also a link as it is her google profile and this is how I discovered it was actually her, no one else could have sent it.

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[Madeleine McCann - Justice For ALL The Family] New comment on Two mothers, two lost girls, one class system.‏
From: alsabella (noreply-comment@blogger.com)
Sent: 10 March 2008 21:49:58
To: *****************************

alsabella has left a new comment on your post "Two mothers, two lost girls, one class system":

"Jane, you should be ashamed because you can't even get the blog you saw that on right!

Marla"



Posted by alsabella to Madeleine McCann - Justice For ALL The Family at 10 March 2008 21:49

chinadoll said...

I knew you were lurking Dad and why don't you just have the b.lls to admit that you have been in your first class stirring mode again.

Rosiepops said...

Goodnight Jane

Sleep well Take care xxx

get off of that clothes line!

dianeh said...

Hi Helen

I agree with your last comment and want to add.

I am amazed at the number of Brits that who get on those blogs claiming Brit Govt interference in the McCanns case and the preferential treatment.

What is wrong with these people? Your govt will follow due process and will insist that the Portugal does as well. It is that simple.

There is no conspiracy, no corruption on the part of the British. And I suspect none on Portugal's part either. Just the wheels of justice move slowly. More slowly in some countries than others.

Do those posters really beleive that your PM and Home Secretary will risk their jobs and livelihood for the McCanns. No they will not.

chinadoll said...

Jane,

Sleep well my dear and do not let the bed bugs or the dad23 parasite bite.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Helenm,

I cannot for the life of me understand why British posters hang off her every word. I've seen when they have posted in Portuguese and when one will tell the other they have mail, and I think you stupid suckers cant you see they are probably taking the right "p" out of you. I dont think she likes the British, I think she suffers them because they suit her purpose.

I also find it very strange you never see a Portuguese poster with an opposing view, if I didnt know better I would say they are frightened to speak out. They cant all share the same view surely!

helenm said...

Jane, goodnight, sleep well.

chinadoll said...

Sorry Rosiepops,

But I still think that another party has an agenda, to stir up trouble, between the respective sites.

dianeh said...

hi Tinkiebell.

There are other portugese that turn up on various forums that dont agree with Alsabella. Some have terrible things to say about the PJ, some are just sad about the whole thing. And some support the things that Alsabella says.

Just as that poll suggests from the other day.

My favourite was from one that suggested that the translation of one of the Portugese articles was not a fair translation, on a certain blog.

helenm said...

Diane,

Nothing surprises me about some of the anti's, don't forget these people actually believe their conspiracy theories. They have gone way past purely speculating, they present their 'evidence' as fact.

Tinkerbell43 said...

China, I am totally on your level where Dope is concerned.

But I would also confirm what Rosie is saying about Alsabliar, I too got an email in my inbox and thought why are you doing a Vile posting in one name and signing off with another. Of course it became obvious after what she had done.

Rosiepops said...

Helen

you see this is exactly where Alsabella has me wrong each and every time, I have no problem with her defending her country and people, but only if they are under attack. Not when people are genuinely questioning the police, I cannot understand blind faith and actually I think blind faith in politicians or the police etc can be dangerous and it is not healthy.

I cant understand either the people from this country that run us into the ground just to ingratiate themselves to her, don't these people have any self respect at all?

Mum21 said...

Chinadoll. I agree that dadto3 divides his time between here and Alsabella's for the purpose of stirring up trouble. He also may be able to clone a bloggers ID. But what he cannot do is sign in as Alsabella which gives a link to her profile. It would not work.
He would have to not only use her ID...but her email address as well.

Dobywallah said...

CHINADOLL. Hi there,the thing is as soon as I put my head on the pillow I am 'gone' away with the fairies. but I'm as sick as a parot when I check the clock and see it's anything between 3.30 and 5.00 in the morning. Impossible to get off again and so frustating if I just lie there wondering what to buy everybody for next Christmas. Only kidding! Now, it's 10.20 and
my Zzzz eyes are Zzzzz beginning to get Zzzzzzzzzz sleepier and Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz sleepier. Goodnight folks, Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz seeee u to..morro..w

Rosiepops said...

China

they could not have done it under Alsabella's profile it is just not possible.

If you click on your name in blue above your posts you will be taken to your profile page.

This is what I done to Alsabella and I was taken to her profile and her blogspot. In order for me to have done this Alsabella would have to be signed into her Google account with her password.

This is how i know it was her, it is impossible for it to have been anyone else.

Mum21 said...

Chinadoll. Plus I forgot to mention he would have to know her password.

helenm said...

Mum21 now how is this for a conspiracy theory

unless they are one and the same.lol

Tinkerbell43 said...

Doby, its not a bad place to be off with the fairies, we are good company :0)

Take care my friend, sleep well!

chinadoll said...

Rosie, Tinks & Mum21,

Well, call me naive, but I honestly did not think that Alsabella would conduct herself in that manner and I must say, it sounded like Dope/Dads ammo.

And I thought I was streetwise!

Mum21 said...

Helen. That is more than a possibility...I had not thought of that. :-)

Rosiepops said...

Well I must admit that I have not been fooled by her but I did not think she would pull a stunt like that either, but she did.

Still Cest la vie so they say.

chinadoll said...

Goodnight Doby,

Have you tried a nightcap or two?

Sounds like your brain, as well as your body, is working on overtime.

Maybe you need to take some time out for yourself?

Sleep as well as possible Doby.

Mum21 said...

Rosie. Lets put it to the test. I will sign out of here.
Now try and sign in as me....and see what you get.

Rosiepops said...

Helen

When I was conversing with her when she was anon signing off as china I knew the prose was familiar, but decided not to make an issue out of it.

Come to think of it doppeldadder and Alsabliar have always been overly complimentary about each other.

Why the hell cant people just have one flaming ID and done with? Don't forget Alsabliar has 6 that we know of!

Rosiepops said...

okay

Rosiepops said...

I am back!

I couldn't do it it kept asking me for your password and I tried it with my own, and still wouldn't allow it.

Mum21 said...

Hi Rosie. That is exactly what I thought would happen.

chinadoll said...

Well, I am not a computer bod and do not understand the technicalities of some devious posters.

Guess I have a few lessons to learn.

Mum21 said...

And I had signed out too. I just sat here watching for your next posting.

Rosiepops said...

Doby have you tried Kalms? very evry effective and do not give you a hangover the next day. that is Kalms night.

Good night sleep VERY well take care xxx

Tinkerbell43 said...

China, you and me both :0)

I didnt have the presence of mind to click on her name, I was just confused as to why she was signing off as Marla, lol.

chinadoll said...

Rosiepops,

How did someone sign in with your name last night? (minus your avatar, accepted)

Whoever it was, sounds very computer savvy and manipulative.

chinadoll said...

Tinks,

I will concede to others knowledge, as this is not my bag.

How underhand/underfoot, some people will stoop.

Mum21 said...

I have a program set up on my site that allows me to see each and every visitor..their IP address and where they came from ...and the actual time of their visit...and the length of time they stayed.
It comes in very useful at times. :-)

Rosiepops said...

No that is easy I could do that to you right now.

You open an account and call yourself say for example *Alsabella,* but if you did this it would give the date you joined and would not take you to her profile obviously.

the fact that I was taken to her profile and her blogspot and the name of her blog is how I knew it was definitely her.

Rosiepops said...

China

they do not call this the 'World Weird Web' for nothing lol

Tinkerbell43 said...

I'm turning in now everyone, have the starting of a heavy cold, glands are up and am totally blocked on one side. Head is getting to the point where it just wants to flop, so thats what my head and I are going to do!

Nite all, take care and be safe xxx

helenm said...

Mum21 where am I seen as coming from? Checked my IP address and it showed me as being in Portimao. I can assure you that I am not. I am 20 minutes further west of there.

Mum21 said...

Good Night Tinks.
Sleep well.

chinadoll said...

Rosiepops,

I assume your last post was in reply to my question. This is not my league at all and I find it very sad, that someone like Alsabella, thinks it is necessary to employ such underhand tactics.

helenm said...

Nite Tinks, don't forget the night nurse! Hope you will soon be feeling better

Rosiepops said...

Tinks

Good night sleep well get a good night and I hope you feel better in the morning. I hope we do not cross with a cold too - no thanks lol xxx

chinadoll said...

Goodnight Tinks,

take care and hope you feel better soon.

Rosiepops said...

China as the saying goes

"nowt stranger than folk"

Mum21 said...

Helen. They are not that accurate. They tell you the country and location. But the location can be up to at least 40 miles out.
When I visit my own site it shows me as being in Brighton....which is a good 35 miles away. But when tracking, Brighton is probably the nearest big town to me.

helenm said...

Chinadoll

Just listened to the North West news, no mention of anyone dying due to the winds. Must have been chinese whispers, not unlike the murmerings on the other sites.lol

helenm said...

Murmerings !!!! is that even a word?lol

Rosiepops said...

Mum

Same with the feedjiit map, that is always arounf 30/40 miles out.

Interesting though, I had noticed from our map that we had someoen looking in from NZ for quite a while and yesterday she joined the blog.
my point on the map puts me around 30 miles out too!

dianeh said...

Hi Rosie

I show up on the feedjit map as coming from Sydney but I am actually about 1000 km from there. Still in NSW though.

And you asked me the other day about the weather. We are going through a heat wave (I live in far west NSW) and it has been over 35 for a week and looks like we have another week of it. Yesterday was 38 or 39. A bit too hot for March.

I think of you all freezing over there, especially with the big storm on today/tonight.

Rosiepops said...

Still no flag on the map of SA though!

dianeh said...

Yes, obviously a very very effective firewall.

Mum21 said...

His firewall is not effective enough for Alsabella to not know where he is.
Plus I also know he has been on here prying at times.

Rosiepops said...

Diane

Oh how I would love some sunshine at the moment. It gets really bad at the end of the winter, you long for some sun and light.

It is absolutely throwing it down here at the moment and the wind is in the chimney fiercely.

I think the weather today has been worse than yesterday.

You are now coming into to autumn in aren't you?

chinadoll said...

HelenM,

Pleased to hear it. The wind here is quite vicious and unrelenting.

Rosiepops said...

I am still wondering if the PJ are here someone said they flew into Birmingham, but apparently they could not have because there are no flights in or out of Birmingham from or to Portugal.

Rosiepops said...

mum

i just emailed you

Mum21 said...

Ok Rosie. will go look

Mum21 said...

Not got it yet Rosie

dianeh said...

Rosie

Yes, supposedly Autumn is on the way but it is so hot. I took my kids to the pool on Sat and Sun as it was so hot. And the air conditioner is running almost all day and our ceiling fans are on all night and all we have on is a sheet.

We should start to see some cooler weather soon. Usually we dont have to light the fire (we have big wood heater) until May but it will be cold at night long before that. Sometimes Easter is a bit cold but it wont be this year.

Mum21 said...

Rosie, You did not send it via Birmingham airport..did you? te he he.
Not got it yet.

Rosiepops said...

mum

very funny lol

I have just resent it. sorry i was out in our field trying to get the little dog in. little devil thought it was one big game in the pouring rain and wind. wanted me to go in the barn too atthis time of night (her ball is in there!)

chinadoll said...

Goodnight All.

Rosiepops said...

Good night china

sleep well take care xxx

dianeh said...

Good night China.

helenm said...

Goodnight folks, Chinadoll, catch up mane.

Mum21 said...

Rosie. I have received it now...and replied.

Rosiepops said...

good night Helen sleep well take care xxx

supertroll said...

Evening everybody,

Hope you are well and the weather is not too bad where you are.

The wind here is pretty strong.

Re the IP locations, the location shown is the location of your internet provider, which can be quite a distance away from you.

My IP addres is located in a different county.

I know someone who visits my blog occasionally from a Spanish island, but her location comes up in mainlad Spain.

Rosiepops,

I had some pathetic poster who kept posting that post about you going to Alsabelly's site, he/she must have posted it five or six times. Desperate or what?

I have deleted them all except for the one in which he/she is firmly put in its place.

Regards
ST

Rosiepops said...

Mum

they are taking people for fools in their haste to get Alsabliar out of trouble.

we all KNOW you can clone NAMES what you CANNOT clone is ACCOUNTS and what you CANNOT do is click on the clone name and go to the persons account who you are cloning.

I clicked on Alsabella yesterday and was taken straight to her profile, where she is advertising her blog. She then got scared and turned off her profile.

Rosiepops said...

hi supertroll

Thanks for that, they just cannot admit when they are wrong and then start telling even more lies to get out of the lies they have already told.

Alsabliar does not have a good enough memory to be a liar!

I have a bit of info for you, will email it now.

Rosiepops said...

are you still here Mum?

or is notdoc still trying desperately to convince people about his neighbour?

Mum21 said...

Rosie. Here is the blogger profile number of the peron who cloned me

http://www.blogger.com/profile/08754900655930129869.

It most certainly is not mine....as anyone can see if the click on my profile.
I am still waiting for docmac to come over here and push my teeth out.
Doubt if he has the guts!

Rosiepops said...

Mum

is he threatening you?

supertroll said...

Alsabella, Vivien/Leigh

Your credibility has gone with the wind...

The posts on the vile blog are extremely libellous tonight, but very long and rambling too.

Yesterday's loss of face must have got to her.

ST

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