Saturday, 15 March 2008

Missing Shannon Matthews Found Alive.

Thanks to the brilliant police work of the Yorkshire Constabulary and a community that refused to believe Shannon was not coming back.

Such a pity that missing Madeleine McCann, did not have the wonderful British police at her disposal, to search for her - it is both heart warming for Shannon, now found and heartbreaking for Madeleine - still missing.

The contrast between the efficiency of the British police and the Portuguese Policia Judiciaria could not be more stark.

Where the Portuguese police refused to believe that 4 year old Madeleine had been abducted and after an initial disorganised search of holiday makers and residents into the early hours of May 4th, the Portuguese police went home and left Madeleine's parents to get on with things on their own until they came back later.

When Shannon Matthews went missing and was still missing despite a huge search lasting into the early hours of February 20th, at 2am, police searching for 9 year old Shannon cranked up their search!

And so the littany of errors was started by the Portuguese police and which have dogged the investigation ever since.


  • Errors ranging from failure to seal a crime scene
  • Allowing the contamination of a crime scene
  • Not notifying borders and ports
  • Failing to carry out road block checks with due dilligence
  • There was no lockdown1 LOCAL police failed to "lock down" and seal off the Mark Warner Ocean Club resort immediately after Madeleine was reported missing
  • They did not set up roadblocks
  • House to house2 COPS' failure to accept they had an abduction on their hands meant they did not launch an immediate search of nearby holiday flats and villas or question locals.
  • House-to-house enquiries started two days later and most of the 500 properties were not visited until after any kidnapper had been given ample time to flee.
  • BORDER officials should have been told of Maddie's disappearance without delay.
  • But police only alerted staff at the border 12 hours later.
  • COASTGUARDS and maritime police were not alerted for 14 hours.
  • Description THE first police appeal for a suspect did not come until 22 days after Maddie vanished
  • At one stage police were showing six different E-fit images to local people and one artist's impression was a simple outline said to be "like an egg with hair on.
  • Cuddle Cat should have been sealed in a plastic bag then tested.The most minute drop of sweat or a single skin cell could have revealed the DNA of Madeleine's kidnapper.
  • Searches A MASSIVE search party should have been organised by police at first light the morning after Maddie disappeared.
  • Instead just 150 police took part in the first searches and they were poorly organised and random.
  • A FULL list of other guests at the Ocean Club resort ought to have been compiled by police with the help of staff within hours of the tot's disappearance. But they did not get the information until almost 48 hours later - and a day AFTER many potential witnesses had returned home at the end of their holidays.
  • Holiday Staff were only quizzed 60 hours later
  • A DIRECT appeal to the abductor is usually considered vital in the first hours of a kidnapping. Police seek advice from psychologists to carefully word any plea. But it was Madeleine's parents Gerry and Kate who made the public appeal themselves.
  • There was not even a Portuguese police officer at the couple's press conference.
  • DETECTIVES revealed on June 1 that they had found the DNA of a stranger in the McCanns' apartment.But they could not check if it was from a known paedophile as Portugal does not have a computerised DNA database of perverts.
  • The DNA did not match the profile of suspect Robert Murat.
  • THE area immediately surrounding the McCanns' holiday apartment was never properly sealed off by police - even though vital clues are often discovered at such a scene.
  • People were allowed to walk on the flat's front porch 24 hours after Maddie disappeared. There were no fingertip searches and police sniffer dogs were not brought in until large crowds had gathered in the area, confusing any valuable scent. Specialist sniffer dogs and ultra-violet lights were not used.
  • Staggeringly, police gave the go-ahead for the flat to be occupied again although enquiries were continuing.And by the time the British team checked the apartment it had already been thoroughly cleaned.
  • DETAILS of the pyjamas Maddie was wearing should have been released straight away.Anyone who saw her would probably have recalled the distinctive pink Eeyore nightwear.
  • But officers repeatedly refused to issue a description and it was left to her parents to give details an astonishing four days later.
  • CCTV IMAGES from CCTV cameras on the main A22 motorway leading out of Praia da Luz towards Spain were not checked.
  • SUSPECT Portuguese police bungled their search of Murat's garden.They did not clear bushes and shrubs - British officers later ordered gardeners to hack away the undergrowth.They then made a thorough search and inserted probes into the ground to seek any trace of human remains.
  • Portuguese officers also searched a guest house run by Murat's aunt in nearby Burgao.They hacked at the concrete-hard ground with picks until it dawned on them that the area had not been disturbed in years.

    After disappearing 24 days ago, Shannon Matthews was found in the base of a bed in the home of Paul Drake

    When officers arrived at No 26 Lidgate Gardens shortly before midday yesterday, it was initially just another door-knock in their painstaking search for Shannon Matthews.
    The resident, the uncle of Shannon’s stepfather, and part of the door-to-door trawl of anyone who might be known to the girl, appeared not to be at home.

    They tried a downstairs flat, where a conversation with a neighbour provided the sudden breakthrough for which the Matthews family, their friends and the police force had been praying for three weeks.

    Although Paul Drake, the resident, lived alone in the property in Batley Carr, the sound of a child’s footsteps had been heard lately.

    Officers were told that Mr Drake, also known as Mick Donovan, never left the premises without his car, about which he was obsessive. They were led to believe that Mr Drake was still in the flat because his prized silver Peugot was parked in the street outside.

    The two police officers decided that they were dealing with more than a routine visit. Keeping an observation on the property, the officers called for an emergency back-up team. A battering ram was used to break down the door and officers burst into the house.

    They immediately searched from room to room, and after hearing noises, uncovered Shannon, hidden within the base of a double divan bed. Alongside Shannon, in the other half of the cavity, was Mr Drake. The 24-day search was over.

    Neighbours described how Shannon appeared calm as she was carried from the scene, with no apparent sign of injury. Then Paul Drake emerged, dragged out in handcuffs to awaiting back-up officers and a volley of pent-up anger from local residents.

    As word got out into the community, Karen Matthews, Shannon’s mother, was told of her daughter’s safe recovery by a neighbour, Peter Brown, a short time after.

    “She just froze. She was in shock. Then her reaction was crying,” said Mr Brown. “After that, she had a phone call from the police liaison officer. They came to pick her up. Karen and Craig (Shannon's stepfather) both left the house together. We are going to have a party tonight.”

    Shannon disappeared 24 days ago after returning to Westmoor Primary School in Dewsbury from a swimming trip. It led to one of the largest investigations mounted by the West Yorkshire force, involving up to 300 detectives, more than a tenth of the force’s strength.
    Amanda Hyett, Shannon’s aunt, sobbed as she said:

    “I am so pleased she has been found. We just need her home now. I just want to say thank you to everyone that helped.”

    Ms Hyett was with Shannon’s mother and stepfather when the news came through that the girl had been found safe and well. “We were all howling on the stairs with complete joy,” she said.

    It is understood that Mr Drake — said to be the brother of Craig Meehan’s mother, Alice Meehan — has two daughters aged 10 and 12 who were taken into care some years ago. Alice Meehan, 49, last night revealed that he was arrested in 2004 when he took his oldest daughter from school. She said Mr Drake lost his own children three years ago after a split from his wife.

    “I can’t believe he had Shannon, my own brother, it feels like he has brought shame on our family. I’m sure there’s no way he would have hurt her. He was missing his kids.”
    She said Mr Drake had custody of his children but was eventually deemed unfit and no longer saw them: “This killed him.”


    As news spread of the nine-year-old’s safe return, people emerged on to the streets of Dewsbury and Batley to celebrate, with lager and wine.
    Mandy Dixon, 37, described how police descended on Lidgate Gardens. Officers battered their way through the blue door opening on to stairs up to the maisonette flat. A plainclothes officer brought Shannon out first.

    She said: “A neighbour shouted out, ‘Is that Shannon?’ and they said, ‘Yes, it is’. I could not see Shannon’s face, she was covered up. She was clinging to the officer for dear life.”

    Another neighbour, David Hughes, 46, a former soldier, whose flat overlooks the suspect’s home, said:

    “They busted in the door at about 1.30pm and later they dragged him out. He was cuffed to two police officers. They ordered him to obey their commands but he refused, curling his legs underneath him as if he did not want to go. He was crying and whingeing.
    “Shannon came out with two police officers. She looked OK. I would say quite calm. She was dressed in a dark blue jacket and trousers.
    “I could see it was Shannon. This episode has left us all so incredibly happy that she is going home alive and well.”


    Residents on the estate expressed astonishment that they could have been living so close to the missing girl for so long. One said: “It is so shocking that she could have been such a short distance away for the last three weeks without us knowing. There has been no sight or sound of this little girl.”

    People in the estate, which is mixed between Asian and white working class, spoke of a loner who hardly ever emerged from the flat.

    Ashraf Dadhiwak, a newsagent, 51, said: “I have not seen him for a year. He is a loner who used to come into the shop with his two daughters. He did not look as if he was all there, if you know what I mean. He looked ill to me, certainly not healthy, and had the appearance of someone frightened of something.”

    A resident, who did not want to be named, said the daughters were taken into care when his wife was unwell and he couldn’t look after them. “I thought he had left the area but maybe he came back recently. A neighbour came to tell me there were police in the street and said the woman in the flat downstairs had called the police. Apparently she heard a child’s footsteps and knew he did not have any children so she was suspicious.”

    Last night a large area of the estate surrounded by a grassy knoll was cordoned off by scenes-of-crime tape.

    A yellow telephone directory lay unrecovered on the porch and shabby curtains in the upstairs windows had a pattern with the words “biker boy”.

    Inside, forensic science experts began their painstaking work, which will continue this morning.
    A statement from West Yorkshire Police said: “As part of ongoing investigations, detectives and specialist search officers attended a house at Lidgate Gardens, Batley Carr, Dewsbury, at 12.30pm this afternoon.

    During a search of the house, officers located Shannon Matthews who was found concealed in the base of a divan bed. A 39-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of abduction at the address and is currently in custody at a West Yorkshire police station. Shannon is currently in the care of West Yorkshire Police.”

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article3556543.ece

http://www.people.co.uk/news/news/tm_method=full%26objectID=19658501%26siteID=93463-name_page.html

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Rosiepops said...

Thanks to the brilliant police work of the Yorkshire Constabulary and a community that refused to believe Shannon was not coming back.

Such a pity that missing Madeleine McCann, did not have the wonderful British police at her disposal, to search for her - it is both heart warming for Shannon, now found and heartbreaking for Madeleine - still missing.

The contrast between the efficiency of the British police and the Portuguese Policia Judiciaria could not be more stark.

Where the Portuguese police refused to believe that 4 year old Madeleine had been abducted and after an initial disorganised search of holiday makers and residents into the early hours of May 4th, the Portuguese police went home and left Madeleine's parents to get on with things on their own until they came back later.

When Shannon Matthews went missing and was still missing despite a huge search lasting into the early hours of February 20th, at 2am, police searching for 9 year old Shannon cranked up their search!

And so the littany of errors was started by the Portuguese police and which have dogged the investigation ever since.



Errors ranging from failure to seal a crime scene
Allowing the contamination of a crime scene
Not notifying borders and ports
Failing to carry out road block checks with due dilligence
There was no lockdown1 LOCAL police failed to "lock down" and seal off the Mark Warner Ocean Club resort immediately after Madeleine was reported missing
They did not set up roadblocks
House to house
COPS' failure to accept they had an abduction on their hands meant they did not launch an immediate search of nearby holiday flats and villas or question locals.

House-to-house enquiries started two days later and most of the 500 properties were not visited until after any kidnapper had been given ample time to flee.
BORDER officials should have been told of Maddie's disappearance without delay.
But police only alerted staff at the border 12 hours later.
COASTGUARDS and maritime police were not alerted for 14 hours.
Description THE first police appeal for a suspect did not come until 22 days after Maddie vanished
At one stage police were showing six different E-fit images to local people and one artist's impression was a simple outline said to be "like an egg with hair on.
Cuddle Cat should have been sealed in a plastic bag then tested.The most minute drop of sweat or a single skin cell could have revealed the DNA of Madeleine's kidnapper.
Searches A MASSIVE search party should have been organised by police at first light the morning after Maddie disappeared.
Instead just 150 police took part in the first searches and they were poorly organised and random.
A FULL list of other guests at the Ocean Club resort ought to have been compiled by police with the help of staff within hours of the tot's disappearance. But they did not get the information until almost 48 hours later - and a day AFTER many potential witnesses had returned home at the end of their holidays.
Holiday Staff were only quizzed 60 hours later
A DIRECT appeal to the abductor is usually considered vital in the first hours of a kidnapping. Police seek advice from psychologists to carefully word any plea. But it was Madeleine's parents Gerry and Kate who made the public appeal themselves.
There was not even a Portuguese police officer at the couple's press conference.
DETECTIVES revealed on June 1 that they had found the DNA of a stranger in the McCanns' apartment.But they could not check if it was from a known paedophile as Portugal does not have a computerised DNA database of perverts.
The DNA did not match the profile of suspect Robert Murat.
THE area immediately surrounding the McCanns' holiday apartment was never properly sealed off by police - even though vital clues are often discovered at such a scene.
People were allowed to walk on the flat's front porch 24 hours after Maddie disappeared. There were no fingertip searches and police sniffer dogs were not brought in until large crowds had gathered in the area, confusing any valuable scent. Specialist sniffer dogs and ultra-violet lights were not used.
Staggeringly, police gave the go-ahead for the flat to be occupied again although enquiries were continuing.And by the time the British team checked the apartment it had already been thoroughly cleaned.
DETAILS of the pyjamas Maddie was wearing should have been released straight away.Anyone who saw her would probably have recalled the distinctive pink Eeyore nightwear.
But officers repeatedly refused to issue a description and it was left to her parents to give details an astonishing four days later.
CCTV IMAGES from CCTV cameras on the main A22 motorway leading out of Praia da Luz towards Spain were not checked.
SUSPECT Portuguese police bungled their search of Murat's garden.They did not clear bushes and shrubs - British officers later ordered gardeners to hack away the undergrowth.They then made a thorough search and inserted probes into the ground to seek any trace of human remains.
Portuguese officers also searched a guest house run by Murat's aunt in nearby Burgao.They hacked at the concrete-hard ground with picks until it dawned on them that the area had not been disturbed in years.

SassyP said...

Excellent work by the police and great that the local community hadn't given up on Shannon.

Let's hope she will be allowed to go home soon. What a shock for the family that it was actually a family member who took her.

melbel said...

Great work by West Yorkshire Police,who are highly professional and I cannot praise them enough.
Dear Shannon is safe now.
When you read the catalogue of errors in Madeleine's case, it makes heartrending reading.
It might be a rare event and there are obvious language and communication problems,but surely most of this was basic stuff.
Were there no procedures to cover cases which needed immediate action?
Why was it so shoddy and disorganised ?
Why put a compromised Police investigator on to the case ?
Why let him and his henchmen, blab, on a daily basis, to confuse and distract ?
Why, did they stop looking for Madeleine,at such an early stage, going down the wrong cul de sac ?
Why not let our Police jointly investigate, in a formal way ?
Who cares about national pride and the tourist industry ?
The latter is likely to take a nosedrive anyway.
If money is the issue, can't there be an EEC fund for such a case ?
They seem, at times to waste our money on worse things.
If her little body did turn out to be in the lake[and God willing,it will not be so]won't the Portugese who have vilified this family and the evil antis, hang their heads with shame ?
I would, in their shoes, to accuse,maliciously,but then again,I would never have that moral dilemma,as I would never do such a thing.

Mandz said...

I am absolutely furious at the way this investigation ( if you can even call it that) has been handled.
Where is their Code of Conduct? Where is their Accountability and Responsibility in this? When will they be made to STAND UP and take account of their FAILED actions like most PROFESSIONALS..?
What cases do they take “SERIOUSLY” because to me a child does not appear to MATTER??
DISGUST….No other word for IT….

melbel said...

Hi Mandz
I totally agree.
I have just been looking at Alsa's site, re the book written by this dreadful ex pJ character,Paulo Pereira Cristovao.
His focus is to be pro Portugal, whatever,damn the truth and he is claiming that there was politicial interference from British PM,so that the PJ bowed [or did he mean bent ?] before a theory that was built from the outside in.
Well, Mr ex pj, our UK police are too professional to bend or bow.
They just care about solving crime and they do it well.
He is also peddling lies about the pJ being the last to be informed, after the UK PM,British POlice,TV etc.
Sue him,Clarence.

Rosiepops said...

Morning

Re Shannon, if what I am reading and hearing is true, then I do not know why the media is saying that this man is a relative of Shannon's. Apparently he is an uncle of Shannon's *STEP*father, so relative should be applied in very loose terms.
It is confusing at this stage exactly how well he knew Shannon, some say he may have known her but she may not have known who he was, other reports I have read I wold rather wait until we hear the official version from the police before I make my mind up.

We will soon see if anything is wrong, when the police have done their work and any charges brought.

Personally I feel that perhaps this man is more mad than bad. I am hoping that he found Shannon, or she found him on the day she was reported to be distressed and he took her in and cared for her because she didn't want to go home, he thought he was doing the right thing. Very had to believe I know, but then we are looking at this from a rational persons viewpoint and this man from all accounts is far from rational. I am just going to wait and see before I point a finger.

I also see the press are doing a fine job of tearing Shannon's mum to bits, this time they have actually named the children and their fathers, I think this is despicable and way too far, these children are innocent and their names and parentage should not be news fodder, I think something should be done about this.

I read about Shannon's grandparents apparently slating their daughter and her relationship with Craig Meehan. The Daily Mail has absolutely gone for this family tearing them to shreds calling them dysfunctional etc etc and they know nothing, I hope someone helps Mrs Matthews sue the a*** off of this paper, how dare they? They have also been critical of the police, when this police force has done everything properly and found this child alive. The detective in charge Andy Brennan, has been absolutely diligent in this investigation and he and all the police concerned have rocked tirelessly to find Shannon and they did, Brennan has always maintained that the answer to Shannon's disappearance lay within the Dewsbury area where she disappeared.

Again we have a middle class paper attacking a working class family, I think this paper has gone way too far and I think it is going to end up in court over this - good.

melbel said...

Sounds to be typical of the Daily Mail and I would welcome a good cleanong up of our tabloids and a closing down of a few.
I am not against free speech, which is an important democratic right, but it goes way too far, in the hurt and damage it causes to people's lives. it is irresponsible journalism.
Whatever experiences this child has gone through and we know nothing yet, I am confident on the ability of human beings to recover, given the right help.
I pray Madeleine is still out there and know that her dear parents could "heal " her,asshe is undoubtedly a much loved and treasured child.
Very well done, Rosie and pals,for a very well researched presentation of the case, this morning, as ever.
Your grasp of and knowledge of the case, is superb.
The broadsheets never bought in to the idea that the Mccs were involved in their daughter's disappearance.
The Guardian quickly pulled a thread, early on,re this case, when the crazies flooded it.
I accidentally found a blog by Guardian writer,Greenslade re the media meeting with Clarence and the pack of crazies, who attended, the likes of Buddha [not ]who attended.
It was interesting,but I cannot give the reference,unfortunately.
Well,I have company this weekend,so have to do some jobs.
I am a bit of a housework slob !
Take care all and a good day on the blog.x

Rosiepops said...

Hi Mandz and Melbel,

I agree, you know what my feelings are towards the PJ and I have felt this for a great many months. I knew they were not doing their job properly and then when their errors came to light they start blaming everyone else, didn't their university education teach them to take responsibility for their own actions and failings?

I believe people in Britain are now beginning to get very irate with he PJ, all they can see is a totally inept police force that took 10 months to get a set of letters together and a whole catalogue of errors, the tide is turning on the PJ.
They may enjoy celebrity untouchable status in Portugal, but here in Britain we are not afraid to say what we think. The Portuguese people appear terrified to question these public servants, why?

This police force appears utterly morally deficient.

Too many egos involved here.

This business about the British PM and others being involved is again another excuse and leak put out to further muddy the waters.

If this were true, then what the hell was the Portuguese government doing?

Obviously it is another lie and another smokescreen put out by a totally discredited Portuguese police force, to try and divert attention away from their incompetence.

The British government does not work this way, the Portuguese government may and this is why there is so many people ready to believe that government's are corrupt, but ours is not, so Portugal again should look to their own government.

It is obvious that the Portuguese government is doing this to protect the £2.8 billion tourist industry.

How do we really know that something wrong and illicitly corrupt isn't happening in PDL/Portugal?

What about Casa Pia? What is happening there? There is a huge trial going on apparently in private? It involves, politicians, celebrities, police etc and the world should know about it and Portugal appears to be covering it all up.

I have read that there is a high chance and a distinct probability that Goncalo Amaral and the those senior PJ charged with him to appear in court over the case of Leonor Cipriano's alleged tortured confession, will lose this case and be found guilty, the charges against them is "omisado de denuncia" - that they tried to hide the evidence of the alleged torture or, in other words, attempted a cover-up.

It has, the PJ say, "no connection" to the Madeleine McCann inquiry.

Experienced lawyers in Portimao, the town 12 miles from Praia da Luz where Amaral is PJ chief, disagree.

The case against the detectives began as a complaint lodged by Cipriano's lawyer, they pointed out, but has now been adopted by the public prosecutor.

"In order to bring formal charges, the public prosecutor has to believe there is a strong case," said Oliveira Trindad, who has practised law in the area for more than ten years.

"That means that after assessing all the evidence, he thinks that if the case goes to trial, a conviction is more likely than not."

This in mind how on earth in God's name could this man Goncalo Amaral have been allowed anywhere near the case of Madeleine McCann? Where speed and diligence were absolutely vital?

If the McCann's take this case to court and Amaral has by then been convicted of the charges against him, then the McCann's legal team is going to have a field day with this alone.

And where are the PJ now? They are supposed to be coming here to interview God knows who and they still haven't arrived.

How much longer? Who are they going to blame for this latest hold up?

If this is the result of a police force with a university education, then I am so pleased we do not have the same buffoonery here.

Give me a police force with a degree in common sense any day over the likes of the Keystone Kops Portuguese police.

Gina said...

Rosiepops and all you may be interested to read this

http://www.costablanca-news.com/news/frontnorth.htm

It is this weeks report in our local paper about the attempted abductions. I can assure you that many parents are angry with this couple for not getting this news out locally (didn't even want to speak to the local paper) yet they got it immediately to the UK papers. Form your own opinion

Regards Shannon, it comes as no suprise to me the way the tabloids are pulling apart the family. Can you imagine what would have happened if it were they at PDL and their child was abducted. There would not have been the help and support and the papers would have ripped them to shreds for leaving them to, as they would have put it, go "binge drinking". By comparison the McCanns have got away with it light on that score.

Thankfully the bones were animal and I think the search has now ceased, but not sure. Heaven knows why the McCanns are agry about this search. Clarence said the lawyer was only doing it for publicity. Expensive publicity IMO and bad publicity if nothing is found. Confused on that one. Confused on everything else too.

Have to go, loads of things to do today

Rosiepops said...

Yet Another Possible Crime Scene Blunder!

Yesterday a bag of bones were discovered in a Lake the Barragem do Arade, being searched by private divers, looking for the remains of Madeleine McCann.

The chances are it is a false alarm and may be animal bones, but we do NOT know this.

What is the PJ response? As distressing as it is to the McCann's, if something has happened to Madeleine in PDL, then it has to be said that there is a possibility of her being in that place.

What I want to know is why a proper organised search of this lake has not been properly undertaken?

It needs tidal experts, Marine biologists and expert divers trained for this kind of work and they need the latest in sonar and underwater lighting equipment and other specialised equipment.

It needs to be a properly organised dive and search undertaken with as least disruption to the banks of this damn as is possible and the the area and anything discovered in this search should immediately be treated as evidence until ruled out and what do we see?
The GNR in their size 11 DMs toeing the bag and trampling around a potential crime scene, does this remind you of anything?
A so called expert apparently putting his hand in the bag and astonishingly rinsing off these bones in the lake!
If they turn out to be human, this has ensured that yet again vital evidence on those bones could be lost and that there is cross contamination and a compromised potential crimes scene.

What is happening here? Don't the PJ want anyone caught for Madeleine's abduction?

Gina said...

Rosiepops just caught your post before signing off. I agree about the lake but I still cannot see why the McCanns are so against it. I know they want to think Madeleine is alive but they have to consider the other possibilities. Why didn't they use some of the fund money to get all that is needed to the lake if they have given up on the PJ doing anything

Rosiepops said...

Thanks for that Gina I'll take a look.

I think the McCann's have had just as bad ride in the press as Shannon's mother has, in different ways, but equally as bad.

If it were the Matthews on holiday in PDL, then I suspect they would have got more help from our authorities and Embassy because they would have required more help.

With regard to the McCann's getting annoyed, well I would too, obviously they find it hard to accept that their innocent child may have been raped, murdered and dumped in this lake.

but again this looks to be another misquote, they did not react with fury against the lawyer conducting this search.

"Meanwhile Kate and Gerry reacted with fury yesterday to suggestions that private eyes working for them paid people to claim they had seen their daughter in Morocco.

It was alleged that one of the top private investigators employed by the Spanish-based firm Metodo 3 paid thousands in cash to witnesses to make statements saying they had spotted missing Maddie in several places in the country. "

But spokesman Mr Mitchell said: “These allegations are categorically untrue.

“It is utter nonsense to suggest Metodo 3 investigators paid people to lie. What on earth would be the purpose?”

Kate and Gerry view this as a distraction they are searching for a live Madeleine and they obviously have more to go on than we do.

I think I would be more that annoyed with someone saying this about my child, I think I would be physically sick and apt to trying to take myself out of this world!

Rosiepops said...

Gina

Considering how much it is costing to fund these detective agencies and that the fund is running down, I would suspect they have the money left all worked out and it looks from the reports of how much is actually left, then they simply cannot afford this.

They think Madeleine is alive, they have other information and probably reasons to believe this.

For what it is worth (not much I know) but I feel Madeleine is alive, but I have this totally off the wall feeling that she is still in on around PDL. No reason to think this, nothing to back it up, it is just something I feel.

I think there reaction to this search has been much the same as the first dive, but this is obviously not good enough for the press they have to titillate it in order to rry and add 30.000 extra copy sales - as usual.

They must be rubbing their hands together in glee, all this about Shannon AND a Madeleine story!
Call me a cynic but this has to be worth a combination of around 60/70.000 extra copy sales per day hasn't it?

Gina said...

Rosiepops perhaps it would be a good idea if we didn't bother to read the papers at all because we can all find articles to prove our point. This, and others that I have seen are what I was referring too.

Criminal lawyer Mr Correia has spent thousands of pounds on the search.

He insists he was told by criminals that Maddie, who was three when she disappeared, had been raped, murdered and dumped in a lake in the area within 48 hours of being snatched.

However Maddie’s parents have previously dismissed him as a self-publicist and said there is no evidence of a link to the reservoir.

Referring to Mr Correia, Mr Mitchell added: “You have to question what this man’s motives are.

“He has done nothing but try and get publicity for himself and has caused extreme distress to Madeleine’s parents.”

Rosiepops said...

Gina

just read that link and have to say, if they feel they were not being taken seriously by the local police, then why not speak to *both* papers? I would have done in their position.

I would have made loads of leaflets and stuffed them through doors too! I know I could not have done nothing!

http://www.costablanca-news.com/news/frontnorth.htm

Gina said...

Rosiepops I forgot to say that although I keep an open mind nothing would suprise me on both the Madeleine case and the Shannon case. I am not making any accusations here, but if it later comes to light that the Shannon case end up as a fame and fortune stunt I would not be shocked.

Really have to go now TTFN

Rosiepops said...

Just a reason to ignore the damned papers, they only print what they want us to know and believe, sometimes I have trouble believing the date on them and even that is wrong the next day!

I try to read only articles that have a named source etc, anything else I take with a pinch of salt and I can quite understand why the McCann's have reacted the way they did.

Right have to dry my hair anf am off out to brave the cold, never mind summers coming, I'll try not to blink and miss it.

see you later.

Gina said...

Yes Rosie, that is what the parents here are saying. They all believe there was an intruder, and the police came quickly but they thought it was related to the clothes, food, and money snatches and obviously went to look for them anyway. If these parent had just left it at that I don't think anyone would have been so annoyed, it was the fact they contact the UK papers and made a big mentioned of they now know how the McCanns felt. Nothing wrong with that, but for heavens sake, top priorty would have been to alert other parent via the local paper which came out three days after the attempted abduction. Call me sinister if you like, but I now think, yes someone broke into their house, and yes they were distressed and upset, but they probably sold the story to the UK and made a few euros. It is a sad world when money comes before anything else.

Really really really have to go now

melbel said...

I am really not stopping, but I was reading an article in Guardian about Federation of Poles in great Britain, "reluctantly" contacting Press Complaints Commission, accusing the Daily Mail of running a few articles defaming Poles in Britain[I am personally a great admirer, on the whole, of Poles ]
On the same page,is a front sheet of Daily Mail,saying"Maddie.Police believed McCanns sold her. "
This was going on, in that group of newspapers, on a daily basis and I have never seen that sort of sustained daily crucifixion of uncharged people, in my lifetime.
I hope never to, again.
Re the lawyer paying for the lake search,there is clearly more than we know and on present information,I would not like to comment, though initially I did think that there could be no harm.
Why cannot this lawyer give what he knows to the Police?
If it were me, even if nobody from the underworld,trusted me again and my career was in shreds,[which I cannot see that it would be]I would spill the beans.
Bye all.
I work best, under pressure, on the domestic front,so am off x

Christabel said...

Morning Rosie,
just a quick visit.

I can understand why these people did not go to the press over in Spain.

If the police thought it was "only" a break in, who would have believed them anyway.
As for telling the locals, I would have thought this would have spread like wildfire, as soon as this woman screamed, it was stated that a neighbour is said to have rung the police.
So there's one who could have spoke up for a start, and I don't believe this neighbour said nothing to anyone else in the locality.
It may have been the case that the local paper were not interested, if the police were so sure it wasn't an abduction attempt.
As in Madeleine's case

Gina said...

christabel. on the phone so saw your post. Our local paper scratches for news so this story would have been mega. They were alerted to this story by myself and others who emailed them asking why they were not reporting it. They went to the couple concerned who did not want to speak about it to them. It is our belief that is because when it appeared in the Mirror it had exclusive written on it, and they were paid for that.

It does not matter what the police thought they should have at least alerted other parents and let them decide whether to believe them or not. Yes it did go around the village quickly but only via ex-pat bars etc. The Spanish mothers knew nothing about this at all until the Costa Blanca News visited the local school to warn them what had happened. The UK papers would not have been interested in this either if this couple had not mentioned the McCanns (we both know that, it is what sells papers). As I said money came before the consideration of others.

Gina said...

PS christabel the reason I am so angry about this is because I was talking to a Spanish friend of mine who has small children and she said "Gina, I do not want to be disrepectful to the British people, but do they only care about British children, why could they not let the Spanish know". I was embarrassed and ashamed and did not know how to answer other than to say if it had been me I would have made sure the local paper got the news so it could be picked up by the Spanish local paper-

Anyway enough said, what's done is done now and it is going way off your topic

Christabel said...

Gina,

Thanks for reply, please note I said the local paper "may not have been interested" not that they were not.
I am only giving my opinion on what I have read.
You live near there so you know more than we do about the area.
Thats fair enough Gina, but as I said it was only an opinion.
Thanks for the info anyway.

Gina said...

Christabel the local paper were made to look fools because they did not seek this news out for themselves, so they then tried everything to find out what really happened and the parents did not want to comment. In no way I am inferring that this has anything to do with the McCanns, but I am beginning to believe that too many people are jumping in on the band wagon and know if they mention them it gets in the papers. It is wrong IMO no matter what side of the fence you are on. I am convinced as I said earlier the UK papers would had no interest in this story apart from that mention.
Sad isn't it.

Mandz said...

You know just maybe those parents wanted to inform the British public a.s.a.p as millions upon millions do holiday there each year and as Christabel said maybe they thought if the Spanish Police do not take us seriously then what is the point in going local. I would have imagined this story would have spread like wildfire etc because this sort of thing normally does and it’s unfair to suggest they do not care about all children regardless of nationality. I think if I was in there situation I would have informed everyone.

Christabel said...

Gina,

I agree about the press over here normally they probably wouldn't be interested, but since Madeleines abduction, I think they will get everything they can on cases anywhere near Portugal, Spain etc.

What are your thoughts on Shannons case Gina ?

Mandz said...

I have just been looking at Alsa's site, re the book written by this dreadful ex pJ character,Paulo Pereira Cristovao.
His focus is to be pro Portugal, whatever,damn the truth and he is claiming that there was politicial interference from British PM,so that the PJ bowed [or did he mean bent ?] before a theory that was built from the outside in.
Well, Mr ex pj, our UK police are too professional to bend or bow.
They just care about solving crime and they do it well.
He is also peddling lies about the pJ being the last to be informed, after the UK PM,British POlice,TV etc.
Sue him,Clarence.
***********************************
Hi Melbel Re your post above!

Is this for real or what? Who the hell do they think they are? Are they above the law because that is how they are behaving? How dare they blame our Government for THEIR ERRORS…If that was our police force I would be think what the heck is going on who is writing a book when the case is still open/ongoing and no one has been charged. I would also be thinking why has an ex policeman gone on TV and suggested the McCann’s were swingers?
I have also listened on the radio to some Portuguese person who stated that PDL is all British with only one police officer on duty who has to deal the “British Drunks” and may I ask what the hell has that got to do with Missing Maddie McCann and the so called investigation????????
HOW DARE THEY….

melbel said...

Hiya mandz and Christa
it is pathetic. I hate that sort of blind nationalism and patriotism and a child's life is at stake.
I checked on DE forum re Shannon and joanponey was on. Did Rosie want to "catch " her ?
On Als's site, it looks as if a world wide rumour and conspiracy is being launched about ransoms and poor Shannon's family.
It is like the village gossips [or should I say village idiots ?]of old, salivating, with tongues wagging, but on a global scale.
I was brought up to never say harm or do harm to anyone.
What the hell is going on ?
The appalling Bianca is on dE [there are 2 threads, but she is on the main one] invoking the racist card again,but she is the only one to have brought it up.

Christabel said...

Hi Mandz and Melbel,

Agree with both your posts.

I have never come across people so cruel and hurtful as I have since first joining the DE blog.


Melbel, here's a little present for you, hope it helps.
http://members.aol.com/jaynecg/private/copy.html

Mandz said...

Hi Melbel!

Village idiots indeed!

Mandz said...

Yes Christable,

Nasty bitter twisted people...

melbel said...

Lisaj has just been telling Bianca to shut it, on DE.Good on her !Thanks for that,Christa.
can I type that in, directly as it stands, or will I need to get the husband to show me how to copy and paste it ?
many thanks again. x

Christabel said...

Melbel,

you should be able to just type it in.
The one I have sent is not the quickest way of doing it though.

As I said if you are stuck ask one of the mods to give you my email address, and I will send you what I had to start, as it would be easier for you than having to type everything in to read how to do it at your leisure.


I did a short course at college in 1997 for 10 weeks.
The next year I did a City and Guilds, so getting that was great at nearly 50 yrs old

melbel said...

Many thanks, Christa. I will have a bash and ask the mods, if not.
You are really kind.
I admire the way you get all this information to us.
I would definitely like to learn more about it.Good on you, in doing the course !You have looked after all the foster children, too and I know that that is very rewarding, but very challenging.
Take care and thanks again.You are very patient.x

SassyP said...

Melbel and Christabel

I have sent Christabel's e-mail addy to Melbel in case you, Melbel, get desperate and need it!!! If you don't, it doesn't matter - it's not eating anything in your mailbox!

Christabel said...

Melbel,

No problem, if I can help anyone I will.
So please ask.
I have the patience of jobe, lol so I am told.

I had a great lecturer at college, and the class I was with still meet up now and again.
I love every minute of fostering but the Social Workers know alls was another matter ( know buggar alls )lol !
I stick to computing now and my cross stitch when at the caravan.

Christabel said...

Sass,
you cheeky sod, sent Melbel my email in case she is desperate.
What a nerve lol !

SassyP said...

Christabel!

You plonker!

SassyP said...

I'm off - I'm Billy no mates again!!! :-(

melbel said...

Christa/ Sassy
You are a great pair and thanks again. I am a tortoise, but will get there,in the end.
I have been too busy noseyparkering on the DE forum,anything but wash a few dishes and vac.x

SassyP said...

Melbel

You're welcome!

Have to go shopping now, before the shops shut. Will be back later.

See ya!

melbel said...

SASSY
Did Rosie want to "catch " joanpony, who has been on DE,earlier today[one of 2 threads on Shannon]?
I wasn't sure whether I should put a false beard on and try to catch her
eye !

calcite51 said...

Good morning everyone. Melbel, great comments you made on DE- did you read the one from Vee8? I laughed when I read post. Very well done, Melbel!

I am amazed that a book can come out BEFORE the PJ's return to England. Perhaps the PJ's need the publicity (especially in light of Shannon's investigation which was conducted the way police investigations SHOULD be).

When the PJ's come down, may I respectfully suggest they may want to meet with the British Officers who were involved in Shannon's investigation. Perhaps the police can give the PJ's a refresher course.

Christabel said...

Calcite,

I hope not, can you imagine the publicity they will get if this is released.
They will be better staying where they are.

melbel said...

Hiya Calcite
Hope you are well.Thanks, I got a bit braver about posting on the DE,now we have our own blog.!
I used to wonder whether it made them madder, to do a post and run, so they were talking to nobody .In truth, I found it an unpleasant experience, over there and intend to stick just to here.Wish I had your courage to go into the Lion's den,or rather snakepit !They read here, anyhow, as what they say.
Why else would the poll that the Portugal resident did, on whether the mcCs should remain as arguidos, go up from 33 % to 58%, who agreed with that ?This was highlighted on their bog and those sort of people have no scruples about voting a hundred times, to manipulate polls.
It changed, dramatically,in the space of hours !
Betty was saying that people had not bothered to post re Shannon before, but it was the injustice side, that got to me, in the end and I hovered for weeks before coming on the madeleine forum.
I am off out later, in the early evening,with husband and pals, for our usual pub and Chinese meal.
Must be getting doddery though, as I fall asleep,even though they are such good company.Regards

calcite51 said...

Melbel - enjoy your meal at the pub. I love your Cornish pasties.

Christabel - maybe the PJ's love the publicity - bad or not. Any rumours when they are coming down (if at all)?

SassyP said...

Melbel

Hiya. Don't know if Rosie wanted to catch Joanypony, she's welcome to post here though. Be careful handing out the blog address - you may get banned from them DX!

SassyP said...

Hiya Calcite

How ya doing?

calcite51 said...

Good, sassyp. How are you doing? That was great news about shannon!

SassyP said...

Hiya Calcite

Was just looking at the DX and being happy that we have somewhere nice to come to! Looks like Bianca's account got blocked (that took long enough - she was almost on par with Clawdia in terms of viciousness).

It certainly is great news about Shannon. I wonder when she will be allowed to go back home (or to her dad, if that's what she wants).

melbel said...

Hi Sassy,calcite, Christa and pals.
Quite comical on DE.
Bianca has been replaced instantly, by a bossy Belinda Sydney.
Good old Mandz is battling it out.
Have to go now, so good evening, all and have a good evening .
REGARDS X

SassyP said...

Hiya Melbel

Have a good Chinese! Don't fall asleep in it.

melbel said...

Will try to keep awake,Sassy.
had a last look at DE.
Boy, they are banning right, left and centre.!
Bolshy Bianca/Belinda from Sydney, is trying to entrap our mandz, but she is more than a match for her !
Oh, dear, I have turned into a computer nerd !
Really going now
hugs n stuff x x x

Mandz said...

Melbel!

Went on the DX and...

Looks like Janetc1, ircuuran, Pans & Belinda –Sydney (who is Bianca) just got banned on the DX.

Have a good evening!

SassyP said...

Hiya Melbel

Had a look earlier and now I see that they have banned Ircurran for saying that he/she hopes the person who did that to Mari Luz has a worse death than she did! It was put under the title of "abusing other posters"!!!

Shame they couldn't have been that conscientious when the Madeleine boards were up. Arsabella would have had to open her blog a lot earlier!

SassyP said...

Melbel

Have a great time! Put a chopstick at a 45 degree behind your plate, so if you fall asleep and fall forward, it will poke you in the eye!

x

Mandz said...

Melbel!

I was very polite however they got themselves banned!

Bye for now!

SassyP said...

Mandz

Had a look over there. Belinda Sydney was only there for about a total of 5 minutes, wasn't she!

Rosiepops said...

Hi Everyone

Anything new?

melbel said...

Bye Mandz and sassy.I will go out a happy woman.That was so funny and our Mandz kept her cool so well.
Pity about Pans, who never really got going.
xxx


Gone now x

SassyP said...

Rosie/Melbel

Hiya Rosie - nowt new except that the moderators have gone wally on the DX HYS. Everyone got banned except Mandz! Bianca actually managed to get permanently banned twice in one evening.

Melbel - have a nice evening, don't forget the chopstick trick.

x

Rosiepops said...

Sassy

How on earth did Bianca manage to do that?
According to Bianca, she is never rude to people, especially not me! LOL

Looks like Doppel is having a hissy fit Sassy, I told you he would.

Rosiepops said...

What HYS is it on?

Rosiepops said...

Doppel

I would like to say yes yes yes to you but I certainly would not want that misconstrued!

SassyP said...

Can you imagine Arsabella's blog, Rosie! They would have a field day with that!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Evening all ;0)

Rosiepops said...

Hiya Tinks

just wanted to go and see if I could catch Joanypony

Tinkerbell43 said...

That'd be good Rosie, always enjoyed Joany's posts.

SassyP said...

Hiya Tinks

You've got chilly clothes on again!

Rosiepops said...

Tinks

I love your new avatar, is the other one in the cleaners?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hiya Sass,

Well you know what they say, if you've got it, flaunt it :0)

SassyP said...

Tinkz

You're certainly flaunting quite a bit there! Look at my sensible attire, young lady, and learn something from it!

Christabel said...

Hi all,

checked if I was banned on DE.
S**t not fair I am still on.

Rosie who said you were La La? ha ha.

Tinks stop showing off, hope you wiped your nose before you got changed.
Who's the Daddy ??

Tinkerbell43 said...

Lol, Hi Christabel,

What Daddy ??

Christabel said...

Tinks,
the one that was on.
Now you see him !

Now you don't lol !

Daddydoppledroppedaclanger one.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Oh right, that one!

Nah....didnt see him ;0)

Christabel said...

Rosie,

isn't a hissy fit,
what a snake has ?? la la la

Tinkerbell43 said...

Dopple, this is where you go wrong, you are flattering yourself again, we are not interested how you feel or what you have to say.

You have played us off one too many times against other posters and blogs.

You dont need us, we dont need you so why dont we just leave it at that.

Rosiepops said...

Well Joany last posted at 1.42 if she comes back she may see I have posted to her. I hope so.

Christabel

are you back?

Blimey the DX was having a banning fest! I managed to post three posts without getting banned Tinks (must be a record for me!)

That nastiness is exactly the reasons why I am so glad we are not there anymore.

If I didn't want to catch Joany and others would not bother with there at all.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Rosie, have you seen Languedoc or
U2 around ? I'd love for them to join us. BTW haven't seen Laz for a while, have you ?

SassyP said...

Rosiepops

I am still banned! Tried it out today. Don't need it now though. Would rather stay here - at least you don't have to defend yourself against morons here!

SassyP said...

Tinks

U2 asked for his account to be deleted.

Rosiepops said...

Christabel, Tinks, sassy

how come you have not noticed my new avatar guess who?

SassyP said...

Rosie

It's an ode to Gonc!

SassyP said...

. . . without the ode.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Lol Rosie, am I close by thinking its someone Tubby!

Rosiepops said...

Sassy

I noticed that, I think he got the hump when they pulled all the Madeleine HYS's, I have left him covert messages in case he looks in as I have Mark55, but I think they have all gone to pastures new.

Rosiepops said...

it is 3 hour luch Tubby

SassyP said...

If they look in to Vile's for a laugh they will see an advert for us!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Viv,

and ?

Rosiepops said...

Felicity

What are you on about, I haven't looked in at your miserable blog for a while, are you missing me.

now sod off you leave a dreadful stench.

Rosiepops said...

Anyone, if you want a copy of the post to read I'll forward it to you.

Sassy, Tinks, Christabel can you smell something?

Rosiepops said...

Sassy

Anyway are you psychic?

That was weird!

SassyP said...

I blinked and missed her! Maybe the stench on her blog is too bad even for her.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Rosie, yes the smell is vile!

Rosiepops said...

I think she made a flying broomstick visit because her blog may be quiet and she is touting for business.

Would you credit it her bloody cat has turned up now!

SassyP said...

When did Vile write then? I was just thinking that everyone knew about Vile's bog because she advertised it non-stop. Seeing as we are starring on the front page, it is a nice advert for us. She did, of course, write something nasty about us but people with brains will know that you have to read her stuff then believe the opposite of what she has said!

Rosiepops said...

Tinks

lol good one!

I think they are sensing that all their VILE and vitriol has been for nothing!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Rosie, Christabel & Sass,

Just popping off, back around 8 xx

SassyP said...

Tinks

See ya

x

Christabel said...

ROSIE KEEP UP WOMAN,
SENT YOU THIS EARLIER.
Whoops sorry did a jane then lol!

Christabel said...
Hi all,

checked if I was banned on DE.
S**t not fair I am still on.

Rosie who said you were La La? ha ha.

Tinks stop showing off, hope you wiped your nose before you got changed.
Who's the Daddy ??

15 March 2008 18:31

Yeh send a copy, my bins nearly full but can squeeze some crap in !

Christabel said...

Okey dokey Tinks,
cover the butt please !

Rosiepops said...

See you soon Tinks

sassy i hope that it not a half our in my time lol

can you understand what Viv was on about?

She is a really strange woman, it is as if she has taken offense because I posted something, how odd.

SassyP said...

There are such contradicting reports regarding Shannon now. At first people said she was really shocked when she was brought out of where she was being held. Now there are reports that people could hear her laughing and that she in some way wanted to be where she was.

SassyP said...

Rosie

I was hoping you would understand what Vile sent, because I don't know why she sent that to us. The cackling at the beginning was like the rantings of a mad woman!

Rosiepops said...

Well I hope you know that I will probably make an appearance on the green Gilbert blog as la la now!

la la Psychopops

Christabel said...

Rosie,
Viv take offence AW !
give her the bloody gate to go with it lol !

JANEGT said...

HELLO my friends............hope I am in the right place. Odd goings on here. I see couple of posts answered to people not posted on here as a rule, answered, but not their posts ??? so I assume/////////?????

same old, same old???

Any news not only of our old chum/s, but Laz, Doby and Johncar? Are they googled off too?

I read the Times article which sounds as though Shannon is a different person from the other papers altogether....... What I don't like is they found her swimming costume etc in white bag several days' ago, and 3 people had alerted them to the arrested man too......so yes, great result, but delayed a bit perhaps???? We shall see no doubt. Ryan a concerned neighbour said Shannon was seen at a funeral recently where the man, her arrested 'step great uncle', (?) although not so, as they are not married, so not related at all, even 'extended/so why say it...... but he was seen bouncing her up and down on his knee 'inappropriately' at a funeral recently which alerted Ryan. He reported it, as did Missing Persons, plus the other neighbour. This apparently happened days before they found her, so there was a delay......

I don't want to criticise though as the result is a happy one and Shannon will get the voice and help she urgently needs. Her mother and her mother's boyfriend too will get help, sorry, he is NOT her stepfather, he is not married to Shannon's mother, this is not a 'family' relationhip that is formalised/recognised, no such thing as a 'common law' anything, nor is this 'great uncle' an extended 'relative', he is her mother's boyfriend's family, no more..... It is so sad Karen has been 'disowned' by her own parents too. What a mess. They need this help and I hope it brings them a solution and peace.

I agree on DE site today, the Shannon story is not a platform for McCann comments at all. I wa on clearly befor the 'bannings' happened. hat on earth....????

I suppose if a writ has been served through HYS they have to be very careful indeed now. Don't blame them. It would not surprise me if some blogs have writs soon from all sorts of sources, including google.

I take it the damn is now no longer being searched, as I read it was to end on Friday anyway. Odd then, the 'discovery' of bones was on...Friday.....?? Odd to me anyway.

PJ...here, there...or here??????

This makes the keystone cops look super efficient......WHERE ARE THEY????????

TALK ABOUT ALL MOUTH AND NO ACTION!

SassyP said...

Hiya Jane

JohnCar is on holiday until the end of April, when his "normal life" as he put it will restart! So he may start posting in about 6 weeks!

JANEGT said...

AHA CHRISTABEL,
IS 'DID A JANE'
NOT REALISING CAPS LOCK IS ON TILL YOU PRESS SEND???

yes indeed. ha ha ha ha ha I know it's terrible. I must promise to proof read.......

I have been so busy chopping up silly fiddy veg today for his meal tonight....now it's on I can 'relax' .... whazzzat?.....

anyway. don't you think the DE are being over cautious on what they allow on the HYS now because of what's happened with Hogan and Clara's threats? The Daily Mail hardly ever publish any posts at all, as they never once in 10 months published ONE of mine, so I do not attept any more. they were reasonable by the way. nothing offensive, off the wall, stupid or ranting.............

Now that M3's contract is renewed, what of John Hogan.....is he or is he not still involved as initially he was to 'take over' ....from M3. I am confused on this one.

;o))))

Christabel said...

Hi Jane,
yes I did a you lol !

Makes you wonder if there was actually any damm search, get it ?

It was said M3 took some of the bones away, couldn't have been any meat on them, cos the PJ would have had em lol !

SassyP said...

Jane

You would think that when Shannon was found alive she would go home, the abductor arrested and everything would be happy ever after, but it's getting very complicated!

As far as the dam is concerned. It's a good job they found nothing of significance seeing as they had someone washing bones in the lake! Hardly scientific is it!

JANEGT said...

SASSY

Thank you, I would just like to have had Johncar's thoughts on Shannon's case......plus this PJ here, there, not....scenario.

Rosiepops said...

I'm back forgot to do my lotto
but I will be off for 20 mins soon but be right back

christabel I am just going to have look now and I have sent it to you ....nutter.

JANEGT said...

yes Christabel and Sassy

What made me wonder was there were VETS at the lake. Why??? then bag of 'bones' later found to be an animals. When did these vets get the call to come??? Odd. No fffffffooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrresniccc SSSSSSSSSSSSscience experts there then......pity as one I know, we could have pushed her in,,,,,accidentally of course!!!!!

Any punishment worth it I think............

The family situation re Shannon is very very complicated but now, I hope, they can try to bring it together or find a solution.........bit late, but not TOO late thankfully. She has needed support for a long time, but looks like the 'family' were too busy blaming everyone else....

sad. so sad. Shannon deserves more.

Now, she will get it.

;o) ;o)

Rosiepops said...

Christabel, Sassy

I think she has finally lost it!

i cant think why she came on here posting something that has been posted on our front page twice!

I hope she keeps her promise and posts it on her blog too.

That would be great Felicity (waves V)

JANEGT said...

ha ha ha Christabel

If there had been any meat on te bones, they would have ghiven them to the dogs. or 'cadavers' as 25890 calls them. hee hee hee

Rosiepops said...

Hi Jane

just popping off for around 20 mins, will read your posts when I get back.

Sassy I agree with Shannon, this is very complicated, hence my earlier posts today.

JANEGT said...

Oh dear! ;o) ;o((((((((((((

I always come on and miss the 'exciting'...?? posts. Maybe someone can enlighten me some time about what they were.

yyyyyaaawwwwnnnnn

or can I guess????

JANEGT said...

just re-read what I posted,

just to clarify....I am blaming the press for their speculation re the 'stepfather' and 'step great uncle' terms and not the Mathews family nor Meehans in this, that is clearly their business. It is the emotive terminology of the Sun, Mirror, Star, etc I question. The Times article read like a different case altogether.

Just wanted to clear that up.

SassyP said...

Jane

The post wasn't exciting - noone really understood what Vile was on about!

x

JANEGT said...

sassy

same as usual then.

thought so.

SassyP said...

Jane

I understood that you meant the press. We are being given information that we don't really need to know. The fact that there are 7 children by 5 dads is noone's business but the family's. It's like the media is trying to turn the family into the baddies!

Christabel said...

Jane,
sent it to you crappola.

Bet she's got that cd, I'm Mr Lonely !

JANEGT said...

sassy

It's the hidden agenda, not so hidden, implicating the 'extended family' which they are not.

It is a tragedy, which thankfully has been averted - even if it was going to happen...we do not know what he did if anything at all....all speculation.

Now they will get support and help they need and can move on from this. When you read eg the Star you get one slant, then The Times and it is so so different it is unbelievable.

Just as with Madeleine. It has made so very many people no longer trust what they read. They take it all with a pinch of salt, then when the outcome is known, they can see what and who went wrong in their sensationalism.

Blogs too......!!!!! Even more so.

I want a Bloggerombudsman and I elect Rosiepops.

all those saying aye???


234,888,990!!!


You are hereby elected ......bla bla

JANEGT said...

excuse my language, but off to DE to see what has happened. as not been there since early toay.......if all these bannings, want to see wht is happening now. Sassy I do not understand why you were barrd, and how come you still are? It isn't fair.

ha ha maybe I am too......hee hee

no can't be as I posted early today, so not yet. off....to see.

back on in 10........

will look Christabel, as you make no sense.

so what's new? tee hee

SassyP said...

Jane

Makes no difference if I'm banned or not - don't intend going back there anyway.

The different stories you read about the Matthews family as you say makes you realise that the newspapers are rubbish! The Times has pretty good articles, but the Daily Mail is just rubbish and the DX is going the same way.

Christabel said...

Sass,
Too right my friend,
do you realise, we have nearly written a book today lol !

Rosiepops said...

The Daily Mail really got my goat today!

How dare they say those things about Karen Matthews? What the hell has that got to do with anything? And if that wasn't bad enough they then go to the trouble of hunting down all these fathers and printing the children's names and those of their fathers in the paper! I think they a disgrace and should be reported.

They have the cheek to look down their noses at this lady and her family, while writing garbage to please their middle class readers, so they can all look down their noses too.

The mail does nothing but write twitterings for the chattering classes.

chinadoll said...

Hi everyone,

Looks slow on here tonight - where are you all?

SassyP said...

Chinadoll

Hiya

Saturday evening is always slow! How are you doing?

SassyP said...

Christabel

We have indeed! Am on the phone. Will get back soon x

Mum21 said...

Hi Everyone.
I am also very pleased that Shannon has been found alive.
Rosie, I do not agree with the article in the Mail at all.
But having said that I am glad the police are keeping Shannon until they are sure it is safe for her to return home. I have grave doubts about this and something about this family does not sit right with me...but that is just my opinion.

lisaj said...

hi everyone.....just been talking with christabel...good news about shannon

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi everybody,

I was thinking earlier (dangerous I know) the 3 months extn is up
14th April, does this refer to Murat only, I'm unsure how it all works as the McCs 8 month status is not up until May ?

Mum21 said...

Hi lisaj...great to hear from you again

Christabel said...

Hi Lisa,

see you found it ok ?
Its like watching paint dry on DE lol !

Mum21 said...

Not sure Tinks....but Alsabliar has constantly mentioned mid April is when things will happen.
Of course that could be a load of hot air. We all know she is full of gas.

chinadoll said...

Hey Lisaj,

Lovely to see you.

Hi Sassyp, Mum21 & Tinks.

Mum21 said...

Hi Christabel. I did pop in to read you all on the DX....but decided against posting a comment.
I noticed on the House from Hell they are blaming Mandz for winding people up...which in turn got them banned.
If that is true....then well done Mandz.

lisaj said...

Bianca got on my nerves earlier...am not normally that rude, but even I loose my temper sometimes and she is rude to everyone...sanctimonious cow as she is.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Mum,

It doesn't sit right with me either. I'm not judging them by what is printed in the paper, but I get the feeling Shannon is an unhappy little girl.

I understood she had written on her bedroom wall that she wanted to go live with her dad and she had also told her friend she was going to run away. Poor little mite, at 9 years old she should be so carefree. IMO something is obviously troubling her.

Mum21 said...

You got that right Lisa. The only other time I remember seeing you mad was a long time ago....and aimed at me. Do you remember?
We got over it though...and I cannot even remember now what we got annoyed about. te he he

lisaj said...

hi tinkerbel...it is sad that a girl so young is so deperatly unhappy. The Daily mail states that Shannons grandparents have disowned their own daughter karen over her relationship with the step father and he is alleged to beat the kids....sad...i hope they straighten out their lives

Mum21 said...

Hi Tinks. I agree...a small child should be happy and carefree. I know most kids want to run away at sometime or other....especially if they do not get their own way over something. But this I think goes deeper than that...much deeper.

JANEGT said...

well, wasn't that FUN????

POPPED HEAD OVER FENCE to breathe stale air from DE site about Shannon. BOOM. AH WELL. NOW I KNOW WHAT I HAVE (NOT) MISSED ON de SITE.

did LisaJ ever get the address and find us at last or is she lost on the other bogs, I mean blogs.....

given up with DE. they just attack don't listen. Some posters, were even talking about a 'body' and poor wee soul's 'body' ovbviously confusing Shannon with Mari Luz. So much for a moderated site, despite all the bannings. Lots of them too. Sigh.

Glad I am back for some FRESH air.

lisaj said...

be back tomorrow...good night

Mum21 said...

Good Night Lisa
Talk tomorrow

SassyP said...

Hiya LisaJ and Mum21

Nice to see you both again!

JANEGT said...

aahhhaaaa LISA j

You got here. Where have you been and what kept you?

Hope you enjoy our friendly, , rather daft at times blog. It's the moderators, Sassy, Rosiepops, Maureen and Tinks, completely barking and you have to pass a test to be equally barking to get in.

You will pass with flying colours.
;o)) hee hee
You will find a lot of yor old 'chums' here.

SassyP said...

Hiya LisaJ

That was quick! Come back soon!

chinadoll said...

I truly hope and wish that Shannon and her family, are given a bit of space, which is very much needed now. They have a lot to come to terms with and to try to understand/analyse and absorb.

Somehow, I doubt the media will respect the needs of this family, as newspaper sales are first and foremost here.

I pray that with professional help, this family can resolve their issues and move forward in a contructive manner, that is in the interests of Shannon and her family and siblings.

SassyP said...

Jane

Well, having had a lungful of that air you must be pretty blue in the face!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Lisaj,

Good to see you. It would appear Shannon was also bullied on the way home from school on the school bus. Who knows what was going on in her little head, at least hopefully, her welfare will be put first now.

Mum21 said...

Hi SassyP.
I see there is still no news on the pending PJ visit.
I am beginning to believe it was just a dream I had.

SassyP said...

Chinadoll

I reckon the media will do their "best" to find some dirt about Shannon's family.

JANEGT said...

oh great was it something I said Lisa J???

hee hee ;O) i EMPTY ROOMS WITHOUT SPEAKING

No today for the 2nd time of late, I got mad with the Daily Mail. It was NOT AN ARTICLE. IT WAS A SERMON. not on.... I really am unhappy with the daily mail as I wrote to them compalining about the use of the inflammatory word 'ammunition' RE pj FOR EVIDENCE RE MCCANNS. I got no response to my 9 am post SO POSTED AGAIN AFTER 2 PM STILL NOT PUBLISHED, NOR WAS ANY OTHER POST AT ALL. THEN THEY PULLED IT. Oh dear. They really have gone downhill. compare the Times toay with them...No comparison.

JANEGT said...

sorry, meant to say hi to Chinadoll and Mum21 who popped in when I popped out to the DE to my shame....and utter boredom.

Hope you are well tonight and weather much calmer.

SassyP said...

Hiya Mum21

Yup - I had a hazy dream like that way back!

Didn't Notdoc say that before Christmas big things were going to happen? Arsabella's explanation of the big things (about 6 weeks after this earth-shattering declaration) was that he meant the rogatory letters were coming. Do you call that a big thing? Someone wrote a letter - a whoops, no they didn't. Huge, innit!

chinadoll said...

Sassyp,

Absolutely, that is their agenda.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Well Mum, they are cutting it a bit bloody fine if they are coming!! I cant see how they are going to achieve everything before the 14th April deadline.

chinadoll said...

Janegt,

Hello Hun,

Have you really been associating with the undesireables on the DX?

You should know better lol.

JANEGT said...

oddly I felt 'cheated' when all these banned notices on DEcame up and I had missed what they actually said. hee hee.

Lot of them.

I think DE are running scared after the Hogan fiasco.

Have I missed anything here in ast short time when I popped off? No further 'visitations'? See daddoppel was on DE site.

Rosiepops said...

hi I am back!

Rosiepops said...

yes notdoc did say things like that and don't forget he also said this!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I have heard something finally.
I cannot repeat it here, either in part or full as the details are too shocking to contemplate, and I have no intention of pre-empting or jeopardising any legal process, especially as these fora and blogs are read by some who have malicious intent. By that I mean wish to disrupt the legal process.
Suffice to say it has been confirmed that poor wee Madeleine is never going home.
I am too upset to post again today, so wish goodnight to all.

Post from docmac

JANEGT said...

hi CHINADOLL

Are your coputer filter,adsl, sky whatever probs sorted now???

hope so

I agree, they all need time out to calmly discuss, repair and move towards a happier solution for everyone. Shannon, after all, is the focal point of all of this. Not anyone else. she has wanted support a while I think and now has it. They won't let it slip now. Whatever comes out.

It would I agree be nice to think the press could leave them to heal, but they won't. they will dig dirt.

I just hope Shannon is given support and encouragement. I also hope that he just 'took' her and nothing more. Some of the names they are calling this uncle of Karen's boyfriend are ridiculous. We do not know he harmed her at all. Yet. We have to wait for due process........

Poor wee girl. She is only 9 for heaven's sake. An innocent child in all this. At least the community there is tight knit and and supportive. Good for them.

SassyP said...

Jane

One got pulled and it was just saying she/he hoped that Mari Luz's murderer would have a worse death than she had. It got pulled and the author banned with the comment "don't use the board for personal abuse against other posters". They reckon murderers use the board??? Says a lot about their readership!!!

SassyP said...

Rosie

Isn't that when the 3Arguidos forum went into "he's so sensitive" mode? Not seen much sign of his sensitivity personally!

Rosiepops said...

My question is why?

Why say things he knows he can get caught out by?

chinadoll said...

Rosiepops,

Doc-s-mac-k can say what he wants, he is probably self prescribing
happy.........sorry, nasty pills.

If I could offer any help to this sad and deluded individual, I would recommend a suppository.

Mum21 said...

Hi Jane. Yes the weather is a lot calmer now....back to the usual rain.

Mum21 said...

China....You just made me spit out a mouthful of Horlicks with your last comment about docmac.
That has to be the comment of the week.

JANEGT said...

noone 'sensitive' would be near the 3A;'s site. In fact noone breathing should go there. That post re Madeleine never coming home and him being 'too upset to post' was a blatant sham. Cretin.

Rosiepops said...

Sassy

As he talks s*** I take it he will have to take this suppository orally?

JANEGT said...

CHINADOLL

I agree ith Mum21
great comment

Extra Extra large I would suggest? Long lasting, Long acting.

Yes.

Who is the poor nurse that has to do it though......He can't, his head's up there.

Rosiepops said...

I think the moderator at the Dx was either bored or having a bad hair day! lol

chinadoll said...

Janegt,

My computer problems are much improved and yes, Rosiepops, we changed the ADSL filter.

The problems continue to be intermittent, but nevertheless, present. BT and Sky are blaming eachother.

No problems, tonight.....touch wood.

Mum21 said...

Even better...attache a rocket to the suppository and send him into space. Now you see him.....now you don't.

Rosiepops said...

Sorry China, that post addressed to Sassy was supposed to be for you. I need some sleep me!

chinadoll said...

and may I add, a suppository up every orifice, at that.

Mum21 said...

Rosie. I think the DX are running scared. Which is why they are banning people left, right and centre.
I hope the McCann's do sue them.

Rosiepops said...

Mum

PMSL what a vision I have now, notdoc zooming into space with stars and sparks coming out of his a**e!

JANEGT said...

oddly ....
I found 2 days' ago a 'welcome to my home' 7 FOOT sign. rather naff. big thing on a stick with bunnies, dogs, cats, and 'welcome' in large letters on it.

I said to my next door neighbour, I have found this.....sign......about to comment, when my daughter started kicking my ankles. Thinking this unfriendly and unwarranted, I gloweringly looked at her face. She's like me. I immediately realised by her agog expression it was in fact this neighbour's sign. I just feebly ended my tirade with.. er em was wondering if this was er, em YOURS? She thanked me and stuck it in again. Oh dear.

with apologies to all of you who have large, naff welcome to my home signs on sticks 7 foot high with cartoons on. hmmm.


Am I barred now?

Mum21 said...

China...can I take it that you don't like docmac? te he he

Christabel said...

Now, Now, girls,
don't be nasty to docrotten.
Play nicely or I will fetch aunty Viv in to you, and you know what a nutcase she is.
Run Rosie she's comin lol !

chinadoll said...

Rosiepops,

Orally?

He'd probably like that too, as well as the conventional route.

Mum21 said...

Christabel...is she bringing the parrot too?
If so I will get some bird seed in.

Rosiepops said...

Mum

So do I serve them right. They used to ban the pros for virtually nothing and leave all that libellous material up, what was all that about?

Sassy

Are you still banned? Why don't you rejoin as "I'm Banned" just for a laugh?

Rosiepops said...

China

I think he would prefer the conventional route!

JANEGT said...

doc in orbit, sounds good, rocket yes, long lasting cartwheels in every orifice. When and whre can I order this? maybe 2, one for ffffffffffffffffffffffffffew others. hee hee

Christabel said...

Nah mum,
just the dog,
parrots sick of listening to her crappola so having a night off lol.

Mum21 said...

Rosie...I have said for a long time that the likes of alsabliar got away with murder on the DX.
She and Claudia were once banned...but let straight back on.
It was all to do with the creepy emails they kept sending the DX.

chinadoll said...

Mum21,

I certainly do not like his lying, scheming style.
Why would any man try to ingratiate himself with a bunch of venemous snakes, like that?

Sorry, I owe this sad individual an apology - Dad/Dope is another self gratifying rat and hence,
docs..mac..k is not alone.

SassyP said...

Rosie

You know, I may just do that!

Christabel said...

Hey mum,
new names Alsacreeper and poison Ivy lololol.

JANEGT said...

Mum21

I feel he DE have been scared off a few months now. Hell mend them

SASSY

I had not realised they were 'anti' biased? That would explain Clara's viewpoint.

ARE THE PJ WALKING MUM21
DO YOU THINK?
No if they were they would have been here by now. I think they are playing for the 14 April deadline ... to pass - time... A ploy.

SassyP said...

Mum21

Arsabella is still banned. That is why she called herself Alsabelia, You cannot see when written small that the I isn't in fact an l!

JANEGT said...

NEED A BRICK FOR THAT BL**DY PARROT

THE LANGUAGE WOULD BE FOUL......

chinadoll said...

Rosiepops,

I don't care what route he takes, as long as he launches himself into space and gets off this planet.

Christabel said...

Sass,
thats what I call sly, crafty git never banked on Laz pickin it up ah ah !

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