Saturday, 22 March 2008

Letters Rogatory - Where Are They Now?

To The Portuguese Policia Judiciaria, Please Take A Good Long Hard Look At The Face Of This Innocent Child, A Child That You "Know" Was Abducted From Her Bed In Praia da Luz On 3rd May - Take A Look And Then Examine Your Consciences, Bring Her Parents Torment To An End And Resume The Search For This Child. You Simply Cannot Go On In This Way And We Will Not Allow It, The Harm You Are Doing Is Immeasurable, Barbaric and Inhumane - 6 Months It Has Taken You to Organise a Letter! Please Stop The Games, You Wont Get a Confession These Parents Are Innocent. If Not PJ You Have To Live With This For The Rest Of Your Lives, I Hope You Can ~ God Help You Because You Will Need It.

Excerpts translated from Jornal de Noticias

Kate and Gerry McCann will not be questioned again, when the investigators of Policia Judiciaria (PJ) travel to England, on the 7th of April, if (IF) Portuguese detectives travel to England as reported.

The Judiciaria wanted to, but the Public Ministry (PM) did not deem it necessary to hear Madeleine's parents, Madeleine disappeared in the Algarve, on the 3rd of May last year. Apparently according to this report, the PJ had prepared several questions that they wanted to ask Kate and Gerry but the Public Ministery allegedly removed the request from the list of priorities.

A source that is connected to the process explained that:

"the prosecutor understood that the diligence was useless and a waste of time, because the parents could refuse to answer the questions, according to the rights that the Portuguese law gives to arguidos".

That was precisely what the couple did when they were questioned by the PJ in Portimao, before they suddenly left for home, in Leicester, England, right after they were made arguidos.

"The couple never cooperated with the Portuguese police, in spite of what they publicly announce, through their spokesman. There were no guarantees that they would do so now, but in a criminal investigation, there are no absolute certainties. It was necessary to take the risk",

Apparent the JN was told that investigators were annoyed that they could not question the parents again.

Both the PJ and the Public Ministery have been criticised over the delay in writing and sending the rogatory letter to England. But JN knows that the document was changed several times.

It is also reported that among other factors, were new questions that were requested by the McCanns, through their lawyers, this a right that is given official suspects (arguidos) in Portugal.

Among the requests are the questioning of the psychologist who has been accompanying Kate, and the questioning of Justine McGuinness, a former spokesperson for the couple. These diligences were accepted by the Public Ministery.

Among other requests, the rogatory letter includes new questionings of witnesses, including the "Tapa 9" (the group of friends with whom the McCann's were spending their holidays in Praia da Luz), and the apprehension of Kate's diary.

When in England, the Portuguese investigators will only be allowed to accompany the performance of these actions, the questions will be asked in a set of interviews held by the local police.

The date that has been advanced for the trip has yet to be confirmed. The PJ awaits confirmation from Stuart Prior, the top senior official at Leicester police.

My Take:

Again we have an incredibly biased and slanted report from a Portuguese Newspaper, if by some remote chance that Kate and Gerry do stand trial in Portugal, the number one and overriding questions has to be:

  • Will Kate and Gerry McCann ever be able to have a fair and just trial?
  • Will Portugal be accused of allowing gross defamation of the characters of Kate and Gerry, by allowing the publication of gutter fast buck making books by ex arguido PJ officers?
  • Will the question of scurrilous leaks said to emulate from the offices of the Portuguese Policia Judiciaria be brought into question?
  • It is said that the Portuguese Prosecutor did not allow the re- question of Kate and Gerry because apparently they had already refused to answer questions in Portugal last September! Do you believe this is really the reason or is this just more spurious journalism carried out by Portuguese press with a chip on their shoulders?
  • Surely if investigators wanted to ask questions and it was legal to do so, they would ask them, so the question is why?
  • Why has the Portuguese prosecutor decided that no further questioning can be allowed at this time?
  • Could it be because under Portuguese law the PJ have absolutely no grounds to ask the McCann's these questions?
  • Bearing that in mind and also the sacking of disgraced detective Goncalo Amaral from this case and the haste in which the McCann's were made arguidos due to a change in Portuguese law, were there ever grounds to ask these questions?
  • Under Portuguese law apparently you have to have evidence to ask arguidos questions, does this mean there is no evidence to ask questions and was there ever any evidence to ask this couple questions?
  • Do you think it fair that this couple were made arguidos and under that status, were given certain rights and acting under advice given to them by their Portuguese lawyers and exercising their rights under Portuguese law, that this coupe are then defamed against in the Portuguese press for acting within their human rights under Portuguese law?
  • How did the press come to understand that such questions were asked and not answered?
  • Who is leaking from the offices of the PJ?
  • Should the Portuguese government now act to get to the bottom of the leaks that have mainly all turned out to be deliberate attempts to pervert the course of justice, which have allegedly come from a source from within the offices and ranks of the PJ?
  • Again another date the 7th April has been "leaked to the press" that the PJ are to travel to England to ask these now infamous set of questions which have been said to number between 4, 14, 40 and a 100
  • Do you believe that the letters are here in England as reported?
  • Do you think it right that the PJ and the Portuguese Attorney General's office have totally mishandled the deliverance of these rogatory letters, which have been said to be arriving here since last September 2007 and turn around and blame their apparent incompetence on the UK government, the McCann's, in fact anyone but themselves?
  • Again Portugal are pointing the finger at the UK and Leicestershire police, this time Stuart Prior seems to be the latest scapegoat to blame for these elusive "letters rogatory"
  • Laughably the JN is not also attempting to blame the UK for Portugal's incompetence, I ask
  • Just how much longer the UK government take a back seat and allow this farce to continue? And allow the human rights of two UK citizens to be abused in this way?

Is it time to start asking our MPs to act and ask questions in Parliament? Is it time to start lobbying the British government to put pressure on the Portuguese government to act? Apparently the front page apologies printed by the Express group newspapers has seen a revival in sympathy and donations into the the Find Madeleine Fund. Is it time to galvanise the support that is still obviously there for this couple and channel it to do something positive?

After all at the centre of this chaotic and farcical shambolic Portuguese investigation is a missing innocent little 4 year old girl and all these leaks and underhand tactics are seeking to divert attention away from this abduction of an innocent from her bed in Praia da Luz, Portugal. One question I would like to ask is why? Why are some people hell bent on diverting attention away from this fact by trying to lay blame of this abduction at the parents feet?

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Rosiepops said...

calcite51 said...
By the way, ladies - whoever came up with that picture of Madeleine in the shape of an egg? It is beautiful - you are very thoughtful and what a loving gesture.

22 March 2008 01:29
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We just wanted to say that this was made by one of our regular posters 'Mum21' and we too thought it was a touching and poignant gesture and truly loving thought.

This is why we who moderate this board, do it because of the genuine and lovely natures of the people who post here and who never forget that in the middle of this terrible tragedy is a missing innocent 4 year old girl, her parents, grandparents, brother and sister and greater family.

And we are proud to moderate a board with such kind caring people.

Tinkerbell43 said...

I'd just like to 2nd what Rosie has said.

Thanks to everyone for contributing and making our blog a warm and friendly place to be.

All credit goes to Mum, for her truly poignant gesture in remembering Madeleine at Easter. I have to say it brought a tear to my eye.

As another painful milestone passes, my thoughts and prayers as always are with Gerry & Kate.

God bless this family xx

Bianca said...

I am not evil or wicked. Do not dismiss me as such. I am a genuine, loving person who puts children first. ALWAYS!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Bianca,

Thats fine, but do not dismiss either what this blog stands for.

We will not allow derrogatory comments directed at this family.

Bianca said...

I have no intention of dismissing what this blog stands for. I have a very opposite opinion, of course, but respect that this blog is made by people who genuinely believe in their cause (as I do in mine). All I want to say is God bless Madeleine and missing children everywhere. Oh, and Happy easter to all.

JANEGT said...

good morning everyone

just popping on before popping out....

Yes, these letters.....something fishy here... they never meant to send them in my view - political manoevering for time....why?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Happy Easter to you too Bianca.

Bianca said...

I am not religious but believe in the truth of the word of Christ. May his loving kindness be reserved for missing and abused children this Easter.

Bye for now.

melbel said...

Good Morning to everyone
The picture of Madeleine,is beautiful and also the Easter prayer, where we can all reach out,in our own way, to offer comfort to Madeleine's family and extended family and friends.
This is a brilliant analysis of where we are at and these probing questions need to be asked, of the Portugese.
I totally agree, that action is needed now, for our Government to get some sort of grip, of this situation, for the human rights of our fellow countrymen, are being abused big time.
When you read through all these issues and violations, it makes me remember how outrageous this circus is and how far short it falls, of acceptable standards, both legal and moral.
Who is doing the leaking and spinning, in the Portugese Police and why, has not the replacement Head of investigation, got a grip of the leaks, as he said he would do?
Who said that the PJ wanted more questions asked,but was not allowed,as the arguidos would not answer ?
I suspect that this is Portugese bluff and spin and these newspapers must forget, that we are a sophisticated nation and it will not wash.
I suspect, that the wise Portugese Judge, in view of the lack of evidence, knows this is going nowhere.

I feel that this blog is a group of warm hearted, individuals, from all over the world, with genuine concern for abused children and also,their abused and wronged families.
Even if I had the slightest suspicion about these people [ and my view is that this was an abduction], I would not join a hate blog, with people who use the language of certainty, when they have none.
In fact, they have nothing.
One poster, Wooram ?, is concerned that his or her human rights could be violated, if people are flushed out, from these hate blogs.
Do they not see any contradiction, in their violation of other people' human rights, by the use of such language, hiding under anonymity ?
I read back, the other evening,where people [as we are friends, here ]were sharing personal experiences about parents having died,etc, the sorts of agonies, that we have to fit into our lives.
Felicity, on her blog, could not help but snigger.
It is not that we have suffering, Felicity.
It is how we use it and you might reflect on the message of Easter.
Some people become twisted and I think that many antis, are in this category, and others can reach out, in love, to those who suffer.That is all.

JANEGT said...

SAWITCH

HI THERE AND HAPPY EASTER

the link Gina posted re the MICHAEL SHRIMPTON report has been circulating the web for 6 months now and I commented on it before. If, indeed, a hoax it is an extremely clever one. A lot of the details are apparently accurate.

DIANE

I am so happy about your dog's recovery. Great Easter Gift for your family. ;o)))

JANEGT said...

SAW ITCH??? EEEEK

SORRY SEAWITCH NOT A JOKE, IDIOCY...

KEYBOARD malffffffunction

I apologise. I must proofread, I must proofread, I must proofread........that's a risky phrase to mistype....ha ha ;o))

SwedishMum said...

Sassy, Rosie, Seawitch, Tinkerbell, Mum21 et al:

Just wanted to wish you all a Happy Easter, or as we say in Sweden:
Glad Påsk!

Tulip said...

Happy Easter too to all, including those from other blogs who have visited, with the hope that the goodwill is genuine and that the gentler, politer tones survive Easter.

Jane, I think a really clever hoaxer would mix verifiable detail into the fantasy for greater credibility. I may be wrong but some HQ at DACHAU?? Yeah, right.

With my 3-and-a-half-year-old granddaughter here for Easter I look at her, think of another family and my heart sinks for them.

I wish them continuing fortitude and an end at least to part of their troubles.

calcite51 said...

Mum 21 - Thank you for Madeleine's picture and the prayer. What a kind and loving thing to do.

Sass said...

Pasg Hapus! (Welsh)
Glad Påsk!
and Happy Easter!

to everyone.

Glad we all found each other after the DX had had enough of us! Gladder still that this blog got the creme de la creme (can't find the accents on a GB keyboard!) of the DX posters!

Lapa said...

http://palcopiniao.blogspot.com/search/label/C%C3%82MARA%20MUNICIPAL%20DE%20COIMBRA%20URBANISMO

calcite51 said...

Tell me if I'm reading this right?

Kate will not be reinterviewed and the 40 oh, so important questions will NOT be asked. Guess the questions were NOT that relevant to the case.

Of course, Kate would be free to go back to Portugal and answer the questions despite the fact that their lawyers are probably advising her NOT to.

As for Kate and Gerry not returning to Portugal on May 3 - can anyone imagine the circus that would take place in Portugal if they did return to Portugal? I concur with their lawyers - it's a bad idea.

archer said...

Hello to everybody.

Mum - that is a very beautiful Easter Egg photo and a wonderful prayer. Although painful to see, I think Kate and Gerry would be very touched by them.

Reading the early messages today seem to be making me be quite emotional. I shall post this and go and make myself a cuppa.

helenm said...

Boa Pascoa, Happy Easter to all.

Quiet here today, I suppose most are with families enjoying the Easter break.

Thankyou Mum21 for the lovely picture of Madeleine. You have surpassed yourself.

Calcite I agree, the Mccann's will not be interviewed if the PJ ever find their way to England. In October last year the prosecutor refused permission for further interviews of the Mccann's to take place as no further 'evidence' had come to light. As far as we know that hasn't changed. I would think that there is always the possibility after the Tapas 3,4,5,6,7!!! have been re interviewed and any 'evidence' is brought forward that the PJ can go back to the prosecutor for permission to re interview. IMO some posters from other blogs are placing too much significance on these re -interviews, I think that they are in for a big fat disappointment.

How ludicrous (doing a CM here) for the Portuguese newspaper to suggest that there would be no point in asking the questions because the Mccann's wouldn't answer them!! Somehow I do not think that would go down well in court if this case ever goes there. IMO this aspect of the article does the PJ no favours at all.

I think it is interesting , if what has been reported is true, that the Mccann's have been allowed by law to request that certain questions be asked of existing witnesses and other named persons, i.e. Justine McGuinness and Kates pyschologist.IMO this can only work in their favour. Their defence will be able to counterbalance any 'experts' put forward by the PJ.

Many reports have been printed about the 'unbalanced' mind of Kate Mccann, using her diary as 'proof' of that. Again too much significance IMO of the seizing of this diary. The PJ if doing their job correctly will have to submit every piece of 'evidence' that they have (including the diary and not photostat copies) in order that the prosecutor can make an informed decision as to whether they have enough to actually secure a conviction.

helenm said...

Sorry, forgot to change out of my uniform!

Mandz said...

Happy Easter all....

Mum I'm very impressed & well done!

Not much to say apart from STOP the abuse towards this loving heartbroken couple whose child has been taken. The evil person that took her hand her back to where she belongs..

Mandz said...

Portuguese newspaper to suggest that there would be no point in asking the questions because the Mccann's wouldn't answer them.

***********************************
Actually I do have something to say:

Hang on I thought you (PJ) have boxes and boxes and boxes of evidence against the McCann’s.???

As for the questions:

What utter garbage and again more “EXCUSES” from the PJ to make it look like its McCann’s fault.
Well go for it PJ I dare you ask them the questions? Take them to Court along with the so called boxes and boxes of “evidence” you CLAIM/LEAK to have and use the fact that they did not answer these “very important” questions?? Tell us all WHAT THESE QUESTIONS WERE/ARE..?

Funny you have not leaked what the questions are therefore one can only assume these questions were/are IRRELEVANT to the case.

IMO you would have a very red face because our police would get to see the so called questions and they along with the British people would be up in ARM..Let’s face it we already are but it would get WORSE….


GET OFF YOUR BACKSIDES AND FIND OUR GIRL…

calcite51 said...

Mandz and Helen M - I agree with everything you've said.

And I do think it is a great idea for the lawyers to request Kate's psychologist and Justine be interviewed.

If I remember correctly, the psychologist was called in immediately after Madeleine's disappearance and she would have records of the state of mind Kate was in.

IMHO, the 40 questions are a joke just like the PJ's investigating skills.

calcite51 said...

Read on the other blog that Rat has risen again (how appropriate this happened at Easter). She was apparently in the hospital for a minor operation. Glad your operation was a success.

It will be interesting to see your court case, Rat. Will you start up a blog and keep us inform of the happenings? I wonder if CM will be questioned?

I think eventually, we will be seeing stronger laws about blogs and libel suits. This could be the beginning.

JANEGT said...

lapa

your point of a link not in English to us is.....???

what exacty???##

JANEGT said...
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helenm said...

Hi Jane,

This is the second attempt, my google is so slow......

Hope you had a good day.

Here's a poser for you. Did you get permission off Mum21 to use her work of art to have as your avatar? Never heard of copyright law?!!!!!lol.

Nough said I'll let her deal with you!!!lol Methinks your balaclava will now turn out to be a ........

STRING VEST!!!

PS I have changed my uniform so you have no need to run anymore!

supertroll said...

Hi everyone,

Hope you are enjoying your easter break!

ST

calcite51 said...

Thanks, Jane for the comment about my first name. I love it now but when I was a kid growing up surrounded by english speaking communities - it was NOT an easy name to have. Kids always commented that it was a weird name.

Of course that famous Brazilian model has the same name. I don't look anything like her.

calcite51 said...

Hi, ST - we're enjoying our Easter and you?

melbel said...

Hi Helen,Mandz, Jane and Calcite
Agree with all you say and the main thing I keep thinking of,is Kate's mum,Mrs Healey,begging people not to daily crucify her daughter and son in law.
I hope, that from mid April, or whenever it is that they have to lift arguido atatus, it will be less of a distraction from their main task of finding their daughter.
Yes Calcite, the rat has, seemingly re appeared, but speaking for myself, I would be mortified if word got out, that I was subscribing to a hate blog and if correct, colleges and unis,are great talking shops and it would get out, to any outside area.
I am afraid that you reap what you sew and it is best just to comment on what has been proven to be correct, or you could get into all sorts of trouble !
I , too, would like these blogs cleaned up and some clarification, in law, about what is deemed acceptable, in terms of what you are allowed to say.
Like Rosie, I blame the DE, because, as Mum so wisely said, everyone's wanting to have their say, got totally out of hand.
They spawned hate sites and trial by media and fed lies to fantasists, who went on to weave their own lies and exaggerated theories.
When you think, they brought together people with extreme views, who would have been diluted, otherwise and maybe, just thought it, but not said it.
Alsa was saying earlier, that there are sites far worse than theirs and even she , has cried and felt sick.
I would never look at such a site, because what I saw on DE and on her's and Viv's, is quite bad enough for me.
Helen, thanks for computer tips.I do always read back.
Happy Easter all and Bonnes Paques to Calcite.
I did French to 18 and am such a daft, old twit, that I have forgotten the basic greetings !
All the best all.Off out now x

melbel said...

Hi Super
I am so slow, that you had popped up,before I finished.
Hope your Easter, is going well, for you and yours x

supertroll said...

Hi Calcite,

It is going well thank you.
Got back a while ago from a day out in town with the family.

How about you?

I see its quiet in the blogs.

ST

supertroll said...

Hi Melbel,
Sorry I didn't see your post.
How is your easter weekend going?

ST

calcite51 said...

Melbel, thank you and I hope you are enjoying your Easter.

I haven't seen Alsabella comments about her blog and Viv's - I agree with you - her blog and Viv's are bad enough.

I don't believe in convicting anyone by media or blogs and that's what they are doing.

I too blame the DE - they should have monitored comments better than they did. The personal attacks on commentors should NEVER, EVER have been allowed. I hope DE and the papers forced to apologize to the McCanns have learned an important lesson.

calcite51 said...

Hi, ST - hope you are having a good Easter.

JANEGT said...

helen, calcite, mum21, supertroll

good afternoon

not long in, been busy oday popping in out etc

Oh dear HELEN

glad you have now given me that green 'tent' you wore as we need it. thank you. I will compensate Mum21 for inpinging her copywrite rules via the lovel Madeleine Egg. I will sort it, by buying her an automatic knitting machine so she can't drop stitches any more. I am sure she will settle out of court.

SUPERTROLL

you have mail. Weather here awful so hope you are warm and cosy despite it being naff outside.

MELBEL

well said in your posts. Google wrestles with us all - all the time - had fight to pinch Mum21's Madeleine egg on to my Easter Avatar. Now Helen says I will be 'punished' for it. boo hoo
I will settle out of court. I will buy her an automatic knitting machine. That'll sort it all out amicably. tee hee.

JANEGT said...

guys gotta go for dinner now, so catch you later.

;o)))

Tinkerbell43 said...

Well that has to be the lamest excuse I have ever heard, The Prosecutor has said it will be a waste of time asking the McCs questions because they could refuse to answer them! Oh come on, is that the best you can do!

So what he is really saying is, nothing has changed since he last ruled there was not enough evidence to warrant further interrogations.

Then why the bloody hell has he sat back and allowed his officers to continue with the leaks and the smears.

Enough is enough, get on with your face saving exercise and then for the first time in 11 months, do something for this ittle girl, release her parents from their hastily applied status and let them get on and do what you should have been doing and hopefully, I pray to god, it will not be too late.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Evening All,

Hope you are all enjoying the Easter break.

melbel said...

Hiya to all
Easter Saturday is going good, thanks.
We have a bit of snow,but hardly the "Arctic conditions,"that the newspapers are talking about.
Maybe, that is further North.
Sadly, I read in Guardian that the "apology " has not dented the DE sales, rather increased it, unless they had not printed so many.
They make money, if they tell a pack of lies or not, it makes no difference.
It was said to be all marketing, though, with great pressure on the teams, to produce a McCann tale.
Super, I have just laughed to see, on Vile site, that you stand accused of doing research on Felicity's Polly Parrot !
Interesting thought !

melbel said...

Hiya Tinks
Hope that Easter is going well and the snow not too bad.
I think it was Helen, who said, earlier, that it would not stand up well in Court, to say that suspects would not answer the questions [my paraphrasing ]

melbel said...

Continued, Tinks
I meant to say, that therefore, the PJ, never bothered to ask the questions.[senior moment ]

calcite51 said...

I am being kicked off the computer now. Families can be so demanding, eh?

I'll be back later on - have a good evening everyone.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hey Melbel,

Yes I'm having a lovely break thank you, hope you are too. We have had some snow flurries, but nothing has settled, much to my disappointment.

I'm not at the point of senior moments yet, but if its of any consolation I do have a few blonde moments!.

melbel said...

Bye and God Bless, Calcite
I wonder if you ever meet up with Peter, Tinks.
I used to like that DE Peter Rabbit,who used to pop in and give bookmaker's odds re the Mccs being cleared.
I am expecting a new grandchild, anytime from now, so if I disappear,I will be in a computer free zone,as They threaten to cut my fingers off, if I hog the computer.

melbel said...

Tinks
You are doing a great job, as a mod,to keep a nice, non hostile place, for us.
I did not realise, until I read Vile's blog, that Bianca, had been after me !
You are quick off the mark,with your deletions.

melbel said...

Bye to anyone online
Off now,but enjoy rest of Easter
Take care x x x

Tinkerbell43 said...

Melbel,

I had forgotton about Peter Rabbit, yes he used to make me smile whenever he popped up.

There was so many nice posters but sadly they did not stay long. I must admit it was hard to be surrounded by so many naturally vile people. I know you had difficulties stomaching it as did I.

Hopefully some will still come out the woodwork and join us on here.

Tinkerbell43 said...

See you Melbel,

I'm glad you enjoy posting here, you posters make our job a pleasure.

Enjoy the rest of Easter xx

chinadoll said...

Good Evening All,

I have popped in and had a peek a few times today and noticed that Mum21's artistic flair, created the Easter tribute to Madeleine on the front page of the blog. The prayer was beautiful too.

Thank you.

As for the whereabouts of the rogatory letters, they are probably in the same position as the arguidos.........in limbo, awaiting the attention of the pj.

What an absolute mess.

After six months of threatening to come over and bleating about the unanswered questions and leaking left, right and centre, we are still non the wiser.

chinadoll said...

Hope you are all enjoying Easter.

JANEGT said...

CHINADOLL

wysiwyg

how are you? happy easter..........

JANEGT said...
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chinadoll said...

Janegt,

I am a very happy Bunny - sorry for the pun.

Hope you have had a lovely day.

chinadoll said...

Janegt,

Happy Easter to you, too.

Mum21 said...

Good Evening All,
Cannot stop but hope to be back later this evening.

To Jane and all my friends on here...the copyright for the Madeleine Easter Egg belongs to this blog. Which means it belongs to you ALL.

I would like to point out to the poster on Alsa's blog who said I had put Madeleine in an egg...you are wrong. I actually put Madeleine's picture ON an egg. BIG DIFFERENCE.

Happy Easter to all my friends on here.
Happy Easter to Kate, Gerry, the twins and all the McCann Family.

JANEGT said...

CHINADOLL

Yes, lovely busy like a yo yo driving my daughter and pals all over the place then I just 'disappeared and switched my mobile off' to let her see what it's like..... ha ha ha ha serves them all right. I wish another parent would do this more often, it rarely is anyone else but me and one other mum that does the 'chauffeuse' duties. Is that a word??? well you know me, doesn't matter if it is or isn't ha ha

chinadoll said...

Thanks again Mum21,

Hopefully see you later.

JANEGT said...

good evening Mum21

nice to see you pop on briefly too like me on off on off

Glad the egg wasn't 'yours' ....

I threatened to buy you a knitting machine to keep you 'silent' as a recompense when Melbel was it??? told me it was your copywrite. think it was maybe a joke....????

Anyway it's beatiful. Really lovely, simple, and so emotive. Well done. Says it all really at a glance.

Needless to say the anti's regard it as 'sick' .... they need to reverse that, it is they who are sick. very.......

See the spirit of Easter does not pervade such murky depths.

huh, why should we be surprised....

I always buy all the papers, specially at weekends, Sats/Suns and spend all day reading them with big pot o ground coffee. Not today. I have boycotted the Express and Daily Mail, so am stuck with the 'trash' and the Times.

I see interestingly though that MALINKA blames MURAT for his car being torched again, the 3rd time of late this has happened, and referring o the FALA in paint beside the car meaning 'talk'or 'speech' he said You mean Robert Murat.

aha. So.....they wanted to 'break' the Tapas 9, now is the Murat, Walczuch, Malinka, Antonio square cracking>? Hope so.

chinadoll said...

Good for you Janegt,

It is often the case, that some people pull their weight more than others - of course, the others are usually happy to sit back and let them crack on with it.

I remember the Chauffeur years well and am glad that they are behind me lol

chinadoll said...

I noticed we had Easter Greetings from Sweedishmum and Bianca and would like to return same.

Happy Easter to you both.

JANEGT said...

MUM21

SORRY MELBEL IT WAS HELEN M

who jokingly said I infringed Mum's copywrite to her egg.

good grief.

;o)) I know it was a joke but it was that that got me thinking maybe it was protected....eeekk...


MUM ha ha ha they thought you had put Madeleine IN THE EGG???????

Oh dear. It's clear what it means, what it signifies, and what the spirit of Easter is all in your sweet, touching little egg. Anyone who deliberately misconstrues this is really sick in the head. I adored it.

So much I managed to upload or download whatever it onto my avatar, but it is small....can't enlarge it tried can't figure it out. It's amazing I even got it there at all.....believe me.

JANEGT said...

CHINADOLL

I have to confess I felt glee when I did it. As she only had to walk round the corner, only about half a mile at most, but I was sitting here feeling - well - her Mum or Dad could drive her, as I am always driving their daughter, but, no not even on this freezing night.

JANEGT said...

happy easter to you too bolshy

time you learend some manners as well as got some sense.

I am very very sad we are in the EEC precisely because of idiots like you.

Have a Lovely Easter
xxxxx

JANEGT said...

oh and bolshy

there are no 'vile' bloggers here, you have the wrong blog, try the other 3 of which you are in one.

We cannot post on Alsabella's site, as she is so paranoid she deleted my 3 posts, with my name, so that says nothing for her 'any polite posts here are welcome even if not our point of view' CRAP...

You did not come here to debate nor to even be friendly for Easter, you came here to spit on us.

so swallow it and go away and report to Mummy now. Loser.

chinadoll said...

Sorry Janegt,

Just got off the phone to my dearest friend from Newcastle.

Have you had any snow today?

Scotland usually gets the worst of it.

Christabel said...

Hi Jane, china, hope your well.
Thanks for mail Jane, no probs at all !

Christabel said...

Jane,
just ignore it, they want to bring this down to their level.
Well that will be the day.

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chinadoll said...

Bolshy,

Maybe that is why the good Lord put the English Channel where it is, to detach us.

Believe you me, if we were given the vote on the Lisbon Treaty, we would be out.

As for Bigots - I am proud of our Country and its history and other European Countries have benefited greatly from the valiant contribution of our soldiers, throught the ages, whilst they sat on their sad ar..s pontificating.

I see, as usual, you have not got a contribution to make to the topic in hand, but, rather chose to pop in during a quiet moment with a snide dig.

If you have any real opinion to make, do come back, as we are always ready to debate a valid point.

chinadoll said...

Hi Christabel,

Lovely to see you, as always.

JANEGT said...

bolshy

then who is janet?

Christabel said...

Hi China,

on and off at the mo, but did say hi, when I came on.

Hope your having a good Easter ?

chinadoll said...

Bolshy,

Perhaps you should suggest to Alsabella, that she does what we did, when bombarded with rude anon posters, and switch the anon option off.

Easy.

Unless you have a reason not to wish to do so.

If your fort is under attack, defend it - stop blaming all and sundry, for the problem. Simple

SeaWitch said...

Good evening, ladies,

Just wanted to say to all those I haven't been able to send a personal greeting to (i.e. those whose e-mail addresses I don't have);

Have a very Happy Easter Sunday!

Swedishmum, Gina, Doppelganger, Bianca and Bolshy - that includes you, too, and anyone else looking in!

We're all human beings with families and friends, so let's bury all those hatchets and just agree to disagree without all this
bad feeling.

Easter is about new beginnings after all. ;-)

chinadoll said...

Oh and Bolshy,

Do not blame our site for your multiple trigger happy posts.

How outlandish is that????????

chinadoll said...

Seawitch,

Happy Easter to you too.

I hear what you say, but some people just cannot let go and as for burying the hatchet, the only place they want to bury it, is in the head of a lady, we have all have come to respect and admire.

Saddos.

Christabel said...

China,

well said !

Bolshy said...

Seawitch
Thankyou and I wish you a Happy Easter too.
ChinaDoll
I pressed the button once! Maybe it was when I refreshed the page ..who knows.... and really who cares it isnt the end of the world!

archer said...

Good evening everyone.

I hope you have had a great day.

Has someone had a bad case of hiccups...Holding your breath usually cures it!!!!!

Christabel said...

Archer,
how are you tonight.
We can but hope !

archer said...

Christabel

I've had a good day 'pottering'.

Visiting sisters and my mum tomorrow. That's always a good laugh.

How about you?

chinadoll said...

Christabel,

You may have noticed, that I wished Swedishmum and Bianca, a Happy Easter earlier, as they had the good grace, to put opinions aside and do likewise.

Then you get someone like Bolshy come along and attempt to stir up trouble between the blogs - if I did not know better, I could have mistaken the contents of that post, for Dope type digs/stirring.

chinadoll said...

Bolshy,

Try coming back with something to discuss. I do remember you from the DX and you can make a better contribution to the ongoing debate, than you did tonight.

Happy Easter.

SeaWitch said...

China,

If I am ever in trouble, I would like Rosie fighting my corner. She is steadfast, loyal and tireless.

;-)

chinadoll said...

Hi Archer,

Nice to see you again.

Happy Easter.

Christabel said...

Archer and China,

we have had 2 of the granchildren today, they wrap us round their little fingers lol.

China,
thats why they are better ignored.
Shows how nice our blog is though, when they can't keep away lol.

archer said...

Has anyone been able to decipher the 14.27hrs post and see if it is relevant to anything? I had a look but wasn't quite sure what I was looking at. It is in Portuguese.

I can't be sure that it wasn't a recruitment ad for the PJ.!

Bolshy said...

Chinadoll
It appears that the only topic of conversation at present is Easter.
I will start with a question to you all...
Was the sueing of the DX group a ploy by the McC's because the FUND is running out of money, and please if anyone has any idea why the McC's have renewed M3's contract please please please enlighten me!

Christabel said...

just of to make cuppa and have ciggy, don't tell Jane lol.

archer said...

Thank you China and a very Happy Easter to you and any other dear people I may have missed :¬)

Tinkerbell43 said...

Evening lovely people,

Just popping in, hope you are all enjoying the Easter break.

Dont eat your eggs all at once, you know what they say, a moment on the lips a lifetime on the hips!

chinadoll said...

Seawitch,

Spot on.

It was Rosiepops who drew me into the DX HYS forum. I watched her fight her corner, on a very unlevel playing field (at times) and felt the need to throw my towel in alongside her. I subsequently met you all and have never regretted my actions.

Indeed, I feel like I have adopted another extended family, if that makes sense.

Happy Easter Seawitch.

chinadoll said...

Chrisabel,

That is what grandchildren are for lol.

I have not been blessed with any yet, but can imagine your pride and fortune at having same.

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Mum21 said...

Hi again ladies.
Did we have a visit from The Bolshy One?
Oh dear....I hope she did not drown on her swim back.

Bolshy said...

Mum21
No I haven't drowned, I am waiting to see if anyone can enlighten me! ;-)

Mum21 said...

Hi Gina,
You did not have one glass to many did you? Naughty..naughty.
Thank you for letting us in on the EU details.
Have a lovely Easter Sunday

chinadoll said...

Bolshy,

I see you come back with more questions and no opinions.

We live in a civilised society and most people can recognise that that particular publication, milked ever last penny our of little Madeleines plight. The parents did not ask them to do so.

At the end of the day, the Portuguese media have done all they can to promote the garbage theories put forward by pj via their leaks/sources.

In our bigotted country, it is not acceptable for the might of the press, to malign and accuse innocent parties of a crime, that even in their wildest dreams, the pj have not been able to do.

The compensation was peanuts - merely a token.

The apology was what was sought over and above everything else.

chinadoll said...

Evening Tinks,

I promise, I have not sneaked any of my chocolates early lol

Happy Easter.

chinadoll said...

Mum21,

How is my parachute doing - I hope you have not been dropping any more stitches lol

Christabel said...

Hi Tinks,

see you are sitting up tonight lol.

Mum21 said...

Bolshy. How can we enlighten you when there is no new news to be told?
Unless of course you want to hear the same old news over and over again. If you do...tune in on 2345's comments.
On this blog we will NOT hash over old news. So until something new happens we try to be cheerful and friendly amongst nice friends.
If you feel that is for you...then please do join in. But if you want to insult us like your friend Claudia does...then you will not be made welcome.
The choice is yours.

Mum21 said...

China,
It is nearly finished. Needs washing though...I dropped chocolate egg all over it.

Christabel said...

China,
yes grandkids are great.
We have 6, but the one just turned 3 is having ballet lessons, so guess what we have had to do today.
She told me off cos my feet were not in first position lol !

chinadoll said...

Gina,

Thank you for the small example of sub standard membership of certain members of the EEC, that you have just posted.

It is no surprise that the EEC Auditors, have not once, not a single time, been able to sign off the accounts of the said organisation.

Corruption is rife and thriving.

A sorry mess, rather like the case in hand.

Mum21 said...

Christabel,
Did you manage to get your feet to third position?

Bolshy said...

Chinadoll
Maybe I missed one or two of the DX headlines but in all honesty cannot recall once where they accused the McC's of being guilty.
Like me and many others the DX may have questioned the McC's innocence but whatever language you translate that into it isnt an accusation of guilt!

But hey the money comes in handy at just the right time ;-)

Tinkerbell43 said...

China,

Agreed, it was the apology that was sought. However, they did apparently warn the DE last October they were over stepping the mark.

Christabel said...

Sorry mum,
Hi to you too.

helenm said...

Hi all, hope you have all had a good day.

Gina alka seltzer is a no no...... day old chilli works wonders and I can highly recommend it!!

Regarding your post that's life I suppose. We as posters have first hand knowledge of that. People having pre conceived ideas and fit the 'evidence' to suit that theory.(on both sides) Used a lot in research, although slightly different 'test' instead of 'fit'. Unfortunately this theory, IMO can be applied to the original Pj in charge investigating the disappearance of Madeleine.

Happy Easter

Christabel said...

Mum,
everything but first lol.
She is that serious though, if you laugh she buts the ballet bar away and sits down.
You have to see it to believe it.

Gina said...

Mum 21, I tried to play the big boys game, and lost. Thank heavens they are going down south to play golf soon then I can get back on the diet coke. Happy Easter to all, sorry sliding off the chair now, Nite nite

Bolshy said...

Mum21
Do you think it was a wise move by the McC's to renew the contract of Metado3?

Mum21 said...

Bolshy,
You have not read the DE's headlines that caused the libel charge?
They were displayed earlier in the week for all to see.
One was "They Killed Her".

As for your comment about the money...I will treat it with the contempt it deserves.

Mum21 said...

Put it this way Bolshy. I do not know enough about Metado3 to comment either way.
All I will say is they cannot do worse than the PJ. They may end up doing as bad...but they certainly could not do worse.

Christabel said...

Gina,
no sympathy from me, stick to tea like I do.
Hey were you good or careful lol !

chinadoll said...

Bolshy,

The DX obviously see things differently to you, by their acceptance of their wrondoing, via a repeated front page apology and their donation to the Madeleine fund.

The family are the victims of the DX multiple libels, yet they have not profited personally from same, but diverted the token damages, to the fund to find their missing daughter.

Who could possible criticise that - unless, they have the green eyes of jealousy interpreting same.

Bolshy said...

Mum21
Well there you go... I can in all honestly say I never read that article.
Alas now I will never find it to read it for myself.

Mum21 said...

Gina,..Nite nite to you.
Go sleep it off there's a good girl.te he he

Gina said...

Christabel

? ;-)

Mum21 said...

Bolshy, I think you could still find that headline in the archives of Sky News. It displayed most of the front page headlines that caused the DE the libel charge.

chinadoll said...

At least the Portuguese tax payer is not paying for M3 - they have enough on their plates paying for the pj.

Only the family are party to any progress that M3 are making and they do not have to substantiate their decisions to the like of us.

As for their detractors, they can go swing in the wind.

Christabel said...

Gina,
well that says it all.
Tut tut or was the ? mark because you don't know lol.

chinadoll said...

Happy Easter HelenM,

Just saw you there.

Another avatar lol - Janegt won't recognise you lol.

Oy Janegt, where have you gone hun.

Get back here.

Bolshy said...

mum21
Thanks for the info I will go and hunt it down.
It has been a nice change to come and 'see how the other half live' so to speak, and will be sure to pop back from time to time.
Take care all and have a Happy Easter.

Mum21 said...

Happy Easter to you Bolshy.
If you come in peace .....you are welcome anytime.

Gina said...

Christabel

? = cannot remember but as I had aching ribs all day, I think it was because I had laughed to much and fell into bed exhausted. I will not be laughing in the morning though, the Rioja was too strong for me and I will pay the price. At last, I can get into my bathroom, so really off now before someone decides to take a shower (or worse)

SeaWitch said...

Bolshy,

Nobody here knows the McCanns and so can’t answer your questions with certainty, but I would say that the suing of the Express and Star isn’t simply a money-making ploy.

It’s hard to see how the McCanns are personally benefiting from the fund – a couple of mortgage payments hardly amount to a major improvement in their lifestyle. And, boy, have they paid for it in other ways!

I can see why you are suspicious about the timing - only time will tell if your fears are with substance, when it becomes clear what this new cash injection is spent upon.

However, I would imagine the fund directors will ensure complete transparency in the certain knowledge that the fund will be thoroughly scrutinised by the relevant authorities.

Maybe the Fund did need a cash injection. It mainly seems to have been spent on people who have given little in return, but if onlookers are being honest, there is no evidence that it is going directly into the pockets of the McCanns.

I cannot personally see any good reason why Metado3 have had their contracts extended, and I think the Madeleine fund is a good earner for them, but the Fund Directors somehow seem happy with their work and they are in receipt of whatever progress reports the company have submitted.

Christabel said...

Gina,
you daft bat, you should have got in there first lol.

Mum21 said...

Christabel...she can't rush...she will fall over or bump into a door.
I can see BIG headaches coming Gina's way tomorrow.
Sleep well Gina...and more important...sleep it off.

chinadoll said...

Goodnight Gina,

Was trying to work out what you were saying to Christabel.

Just realised - you only have one bathroom lol.

Better get in there quick and sort yourself out.

Goodnight and Happy Easter.

helenm said...

Hi Chinadoll,

Jane was last seen using my frock as a tent, think she must have been banished from her home!!

chinadoll said...

Bolshy,

Not talking behind your back or anything - as I think you may have departed.

Was it Bolshy who had the red thong avatar on the DX?

Mum21 said...

Oh no Helen...if Jane is sleeping in a tent she will freeze to death. Better get her scarf finished ASAP.

Christabel said...

Mum,
I'm sure if Gina can see the keyboard she can see the loo lol !

chinadoll said...

Janegt,

Keep away from Helens frock - give it back, or you wil be

freeeeeeeeeeeeezing

I cannot bear to think of you living in a tent made up of Helens remnant avatars lol

Mum21 said...

China....yeah is was Bolshy. And she dared anyone to try and nick her thong too.
It was during one of the few times peace seemed to reign between the pro's and the anti's.

helenm said...

After her bravado I bet she has gone on chaufeur (can't spell it sorry) duties.

chinadoll said...

Thanks for that Mum21,

That makes sense.

Seems were have a change of style (if you know what I mean)

Mum21 said...

Christabel....but could Gina actually see the keyboard?
She hit the "?" and did not know how or why. te he he.
I hope she had a great time today...but she will suffer tomorrow.

helenm said...

not bad only missed out one F

Mum21 said...

China...I know exactly what you mean.

chinadoll said...

HelenM,

I hope she is not on the Highway, trying to cash in on Easter weekend rates lol

Come to think of it, where is Rosie, Tinks and Mandz?

Hope they have their fur coats on.

Christabel said...

Mum,

no sympathy from me, I'm tee total like Rosie.

Mum21 said...

Helen...did you mention "f"?
Your name is not 2345 by any chance?

Mum21 said...

Christabel. I don't drink either. I used to many years ago...but these days I just cannot take it.

archer said...

Mum

Drinking and knitting don't go togethor. You might miss too many stitches and where will you be!

lol

Mum21 said...

Well..you can tell Madame Rosie...I am not going out on the highway tonight...I would freeze my bits off. It keeps trying to snow here.
So I will stay by my warm log fire.

Mum21 said...

Archer...not up the highway thats for sure.
Is it ok to drink Horlicks and knit?

helenm said...

Christable, now I understand why I had no sympathy and advice from you the other day.

Mum21 of course you cannot take it..............if you did you would be locked up!lol, but never mind I will send the PJ over to help you with your defence! (joke, anti's)

archer said...

Mum

I'm sure it is,though I prefer those Nescafe Cappuchinos myself,with some mini marshmallows on top. yum

SeaWitch said...

Oh dear,

All your talk of wine, and I was just going to get myself a nice glass of Prosecco, and then you mentioned Horlicks so now I am in a dilemma!

Decisions, decisions.....

chinadoll said...

Sorry Ladies,

I had a leg of lamb to attend to.

Anyway, that is my excuse, where is our Janegt?

Christabel said...

Archer,
thats the trouble with mums knitting.
Look at the stitches she drops without a drink lol.

Rosie is fur coat and no knickers tonight, let her see how it feels.lol.

archer said...

I quite like a glass of the red stuff with my meal...I can't do much in the way of kniting anyway so you wouldn't know the difference. lol


Red Hat No Draw@rs business brr

chinadoll said...

Seawitch,

You have the weekend off and are allowed to let your hair down - don't be so decisive.

I don't need an excuse or any prompting lol.

Valpolicella for me tonight - yummy.

HelenM, do you fancy a glass?

Anyone for a fag?

archer said...

Seawitch


That's not even debatable - go for it!

lol

Mum21 said...

Christabel,
Rosie..no knickers.
On a cold night like this.
Oh dearie me.
Jane, can I lend her your almost finished scarf? She can use it like a nappie

Christabel said...

Helen,

you got it in one lol.
I have a very good reason for being anti drink, and no I'm not in AA meetings lol !
If I could tell you I would, and you would understand why.
If I put it on here wouldn't they have a field day.
Mardy git aint I ?

chinadoll said...

Seawitch,

Perhaps indecisive even lol

Mum21 said...

China,
I will enjoy a fag with you.

archer said...

China

yes please....I'll have a glass of my Spier Shiraz...nice and fruity..

chinadoll said...

Behave yourself Mum21

Nappy speak indeed.

Are you trying to Pamper her???

lol

helenm said...

Chinadoll, thankyou but I will have to decline your kind offer, both for the wine and the fag!

I am an ex smoker myself, 27 years no, but sometimes in my dreams I smoke!! I usually wake in a panic thinking I really have.

Christabel said...

Hey sorry ladies,

I don't care who drinks and who doesn't lol.
its just me nothing against anyone that does.

chinadoll said...

Right,

Everyone over to my house then.

Double quick, before we get any gatecrashers.

Mum21 said...

China.
Rosie loves to be pampered now and again :-)

Christabel said...

Mum,
can I have a fag with you and China please?

Mum21 said...

China,
Can I bring my knitting?

chinadoll said...

No probs Christabel,

I have been in a similar situation myself, some time ago.

Anyway, I trust we accept each other for our faults, as well as our attributes.

What a mixed bag we are.

SeaWitch said...

OK, that's me convinced!

Wine it is - no brainer, really, was it????

Tee Hee!

Mum21 said...

Christabel,
Of course you can. Want me to light one up for you?

archer said...

Iv'e only got marlboro lites - duty free's!!

chinadoll said...

Mum21,

Of course you can bring your knitting, as long as you don't get the needle over some of my other guests lol

Christabel said...

Please mum,
don't get fag ash on the DNA though will you.?

Mum21 said...

Are you a smoker too, Archer?

chinadoll said...

What a sensible Seawitch you are

lol lol lol

archer said...

Christabel

I was waiting for that one lol lol

helenm said...

Christabel, mardi doesn't come into it. I think its a sad reflection on life in general that we have to be so on our guard against mischief makers.

Mum21 said...

Christabel
The only place I drop ash...is on my keyboard. No wonder the keys stick at times.

archer said...

Yes mum :¬(

chinadoll said...

Archer,

Marlboro light are better than OPS lol

Mum21 said...

Archer...good on you.
You are one of my gang.

archer said...

Indeed - husband brought them back from Germany...he doesn't smoke,bless him so he didn't know what to get. lol

archer said...

They were packs of 17 though!!!

SeaWitch said...

China,

No, not sensible, just easily led and completely lacking in willpower!!!

helenm said...

Okay Chinadoll I'll bite, what is OPS?

Mum21 said...

Archer...that should make you cut down.

archer said...

Mum

I don't smoke in the day, cos of work, and go to our garage to have one anyway. Not good I know,but that's how it is...

Christabel said...

Helen,
yes it is.
I would have no hesitation in telling anyone my reasons for it.
But not to be ridiculed on a blog.

chinadoll said...

HelenM,

Other Peoples lol

archer said...

Helen


its other peoples....lol

Mum21 said...

Archer.
I am very naughty...I smoke all day long.
And when on the computer I smoke more than ever.

chinadoll said...

Seawitch,

Only when it suits, no doubt.

We all have a little of that in us lol

Enjoy

Christabel said...

Mum,
I don't smoke in the house, that's why I disappear now and again lol.

archer said...

Speaking of which...just going to the garage lol and make a cuppa..

Mum21 said...

Christabel...well I get away with that one because my husband smokes too. But he smokes those disgusting rollup ones.

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