Friday, 28 March 2008

Missing Children Statistics

“…A child goes missing every 40 seconds in the U.S, over 2,100 per day
In excess of 800,000 children are reported missing each year
Another 500,000 go missing without ever being reported…”
Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention (OJJDP)

Why so many?

June 20, 2007 by MCA
The problem of missing children is complex and multifaceted. There are different types of missing children including family abductions; endangered runaways; non-family abductions; and lost, injured, or otherwise missing children. When the public hears of a missing child case, it is generally involving one of the estimated 115 child victims of the most serious, long-term non-family abduction called “stereotypical kidnappings”.

The best national estimates for the number of missing children are from incidence studies conducted by the U.S. Department of Justice’s Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention. To date two such studies have been completed.

The first National Incidence Studies of Missing, Abducted, Runaway, and Thrownaway Children (NISMART-1) was released in 1990, and the second, known as NISMART-2, was released in October 2002. According to NISMART-2 research, which studied the year 1999, an estimated 797,500 children were reported missing; 58,200 children were abducted by non-family members; 115 children were the victims of the most serious, long-term nonfamily abductions called “stereotypical kidnappings”; and 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.

[Andrea J. Sedlak, David Finkelhor, Heather Hammer, and Dana J. Schultz. U.S. Department of Justice. “National Estimates of Missing Children: An Overview” in National Incidence Studies of Missing, Abducted, Runaway, and Thrownaway Children. Washington, DC: Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, Office of Justice Programs, U.S. Department of Justice, October 2002, page 5.]


Ask yourself

What would you do if your child went missing?
Would you have the needed critical information immediately available?
Would you have current poster quality photos with you to distribute?
If you were traveling, on vacation or visiting friends would you, in a moment of panic and stress, be able to retrieve vital information to aid in search efforts?

http://missingchild.wordpress.com/

375 comments:

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Sass said...

Sorry Helen but I've nicked the first comment again - good luck with the 201st!

I can't imagine going around with photos ready to make a missing poster just in case. It would make me a nervous wreck.

On the other hand while living in Britain I carried a donor card with me all the time, which is also quite macabre.

I suppose thought that the 'missing child documents' would remind you that "it could happen to you" as opposed to "it won't happen to you". This in turn would remind you how vigilant you need to be in a world full of nutters.

kiwigirl said...

Hi all, family now safely in bed - husband included!

Sass I understand where you are coming from with the nervous wreck thing if you were to carry around photos ready for a missing poster, but I must admit, I think I would be able to do it if needed - call me neurotic!!

If one of my children went missing, not only would I be hounding the police, I would insist on either my husband or myself, being out there looking for said child - much like Kate and Gerry, one with the other children and one out looking!
I would also have all the information readily available as, unfortunately my training as a teacher, has made me meticulous in planning and organising, so I have copies of birth certifcates, latest photos etc with me at all times - again neurotic!!
With regards poster quality photos, the little wallet sized photos that one carries around would be great, and we all have up to date photos of that size in our wallets of our kids, so I'd be ready on that score too! The retrieving of vital information might be a little harder, but then this is easily accessible if you have family who can use technology, so again I think a lot of people would be ready.

If we look at this with regards Kate and Gerry I think it quite feasible that they would have had all of this information ready at their fingertips.
They are loving and caring parents, who made a mistake in leaving their three children alone, in a family friendly environment - and to the anti's, I'm pretty sure they have apologised for doing this! In fact they are just like any other couple trying to do the best for their kids and for their own relationship, and sadly, for them it went totally pear-shaped.
Unfortunately as you say Sass, you do need to be vigilent these days, as there a lot more nutters out there than ever before...even here in good ol' NZ!!

Sass said...

Hiya Kiwigirl

You're right about people carrying photos in their wallets anyway, but some have baby pictures (when the kid is now older). I suppose if you are on holiday though you will normally have a camera with you, so you will have recent photos. If you are at home when something happens you will have access to photos anyway.

Kate McCann was saying on television "How could we have thought it was OK to do that?" with regards to leaving their children alone.

The antis say they should apologise but I think it is the antis themselves who want the apology! If the McCanns were to apologise to anyone it would be 1) to Madeleine 2) to the twins 3)to the people paying for the investigation, NOT to the antis!!!

Sass said...

Kiwigirl

By the way, overnight (European overnight!) it is sometimes necessary to turn off the possibility to make comments as some moron antis have tried to disrupt the blog when they know the mods aren't normally around.

If you e-mail

nowwherearewe@yahoo.co.uk

I can pass your e-mail onto the others and you carry on chatting via e-mail. If you don't want to pass on your real e-mail address (which is understandable) just get a throwaway one from yahoo or hotmail.

kiwigirl said...

Hiya Sass
Thanks for that - that's the only problem being on the other side of the world, we're awake when you guys are all asleep and vice versa!

I must say though, I do look forward to finishing the night routine with the kidlets and getting some time online, to myself, and reading what you have all had to say!

You're right in that a lot people would carry baby photos, I'm a bit anally retentive I guess and keep changing them, poor kids! However, yes, most people would have up to date photos on a camera if they were on holdiay, so I see nothing unusual in that. I guess I see nothing unusual in Kate and Gerry's behaviour full stop, as I can relate to it. I simply see two people who are dealing with a dreadful situation as best as they can, and are doing everything they can to find their missing daughter - remembering that they are unable to speak out until their arguido status is lifted - no freedom of speech, that sucks the big one, IMO!!!

The way Kate, in particular, has been vilified is awful. Knowing how traumatic invasive procedures such as IUI and IVF are, both my kidlets are IUI, there is no way you would do anything to place your children in harms way and/or knowingly/deliberately harm them - they are simply too precious! And from what I remember of Kate, she couldn't hurt a fly, let alone her own child!

melbel said...

Morning Sass and Kiwigirl
On a rainy, cold,but still beautiful Yorkshire day.
The United States,seem to be really on the ball,in this area.
Abduction by strangers is rare and for it to occur,while on holiday,is almost unheard of.
Nonetheless, those people,who bang on about there being no evidence,appall me,not just because they are not at the heart of the investigation and have no idea,but also,how much evidence does there need to be,if planned and gloves worn,etc.[?]
All these other daft theories,trotted out,are far more incredulous, to me.
Apart from having essential health
data and passports,I doubt that I would have had any other photos.
Not speaking the language and having to rely on the holiday complex staff, to alert the Police,not understanding that a different bunch of Police,would take charge,later,not being able to get the message across and for the Police to knock off, in the early hours,just compounds it really.
The chaos of not being able to influence the borders being immediately alerted and closed and for boats to be immediately stopped leaving,must have been awful.
You would be in blind shock and panic, checking,re checking,in the apartment, your friends repeating all this.
As Kiwi said,they were out searching, one ,of course,having to stay with the twins.
So what, that G did quite a few texts ?
If you have a large, warm extended family and close friends, that is what we do.
How many texts do we do at the New Year ? Quite a number and that includes technological dinosaurs, like myself.
Do not let the fact that they are bright and resourceful and thought of the Ambassador, or a relative,who knew a media person,sway you,into thinking that they had connections and undue influence.Any British person is entitled to help from such sources.
We experienced the death of a close family member, back in UK,while we were away and had to travel back,a few days later,for the funeral.
It is weird and shocking and there are no rules or textbooks about how you should behave.
People criticise Kate for sitting out, on the verandah.It was a hot country and where was she supposed to sit ?
Would they have felt better, if sat inside ?
What is all that about ?
People who have experienced sudden death and trauma, know, that you are emotionally volatile and all over the place.
How cruel to use this, as a stick to beat people with and expect them to conform,to our own ignorant ideas of what should be, while we will, hopefully, never be in that position.
With their being a group of friends, they will have got support and some clearer thinkers,at a traumatic time, so their being able to start publicity,should not be used against them.
Neither did they start the fund, is my understanding.
Off now,as struggling with my computer and mouse.
The darned thing works,sometimes,if the husband comes in, but not for me, so it is hard work to get the pointer pointing,at the right thing.
It is also time for me to get my act together, on the domestic front.
All the best,everyone and have a good day debating.
Oh,I have been accused,of being too rough with the mouse.Perish the thought ! x

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Sass said...

Kiwigirl and Melbel

Kiwigirl - I don't think anyone can judge the McCanns' behaviour unless they have been in that situation themselves. Apart from that what do we REALLY know about their behaviour? Bits and bobs thanks to PJ leaks and people selling their stories to the media for their 15 minutes of fame? Noone can say what they would do because they wouldn't be thinking straight anyway in that situation.

Melbel - Hiya. It must have been so frustrating for the McCanns to have not been able to do anything immediately and have people talking in a lingo they don't understand where anything could have been said, knowing their kid could be dead or being taken across a border, knowing she must be terrified, wondering if she's cold, wondering if they're hurting her, wondering if she is calling for her mummy, etc. Nightmare.

Melbel, if Kate had sat inside people would have said she was hiding and not even looking over the complex to see if she could see her daughter, sitting on the verandah was also bad because it meant she was in holiday mood or whatever. If she had sprouted wings and a halo people would have found that wrong too!

Mandz said...

Morning All,

Melbel my thoughts exactly!

They did what they thought was best and if I were in their shoes I think I would have done the exact same thing. I would be phoning my sisters and brothers for comfort and advice immediately it’s what families do. As you have said can you imagine being there and not understanding what the police are doing or saying and hearing it second hand?? As the parent you have to take control and organise things immediately and call on everyone – friends, media etc.
It breaks my heart when I read in the Times they would go and do their speech to the media plea to abductor/s and then they needed the Trauma Therapist because they broke down. For people to demand seeing this makes me angry.

They called on the media just like other parents whose children have gone missing – look at the woman in Goa & Mari Luz parents and for people to say the media should not be involved frankly is ridiculous. Experts in America have said it’s the only way – go big go publicity keep her in the media.

melbel said...

Sass, you are spot on.
It is all bits and bobs,from leaks and people wanting money or fame.That sums up, to me,where we are at.
I also think that there are urban myths, if you like, about the neighbour, allegedly hearing the child crying, on several nights.
This has been denied,by that same neighbour.
The ridiculous suggestion that they were "swingers ", whatever that is supposed to mean,is believed to come directly from rumours from the internet.
The Portugese Policeman concerned,said on tv, that he got the info,from an English friend, who was a policeman and apparently,it came from the internet.
Hope that person is sued, I really Do.

kiwigirl said...

Hi melbel
Abduction by a stranger whilst on holiday is one of the more uncommon crimes, however, as you say, it does happen. The problem, I suspect many people have, is that Kate and Gerry are both very bright and very resourceful. Let's face facts, in this sort of case many of us would have been a basket case and left it all up to wives/husband and family - I admire Kate for managing to keep it together for the twins, goodness knows I wouldn't have been able too!

The main problem though is that we have preconceived ideas of how people should act when something of this nature occurs. (Could this be the influence of TV maybe, and the increasing number of shows depicting violence towards minors, and the reaction of 'adults'?) Don't the majority of us expect the parents to take to their darkened rooms and weep and wail, to rant and rave and break down when confronted by cameras etc? Honestly I think many have lost their perception of reality and have given into fantasy!

Kate was one of the most down to earth and practical people I knew, and I had a lot of respect for her. She was approachable and friendly, and invited people's trust with her sincerity. However, like all of us she is human, and how do you act when something of this magnitude hits your family? As melbel said you react in any number of ways, from hysterics through to some semblence of normality - what's normal?

kiwigirl said...

Hi Mandz, what you say about being a parent and taking control of things, is absolutely right - after all who else is going to? And in this sort of case, I would guess that you would take turns with your partner, when they hit rock bottom you take over and vice versa.

I agree also, in that the first person I would call would be my mum - simple as that, and then I would call all my other family and friends for support - a normal human reaction!

kiwigirl said...

BTW I flatted with Kate for several months before she returned to the UK after her stint here in NZ, and I never saw any inclination of swinging - so this is a crock!!!

Anyway off to bed, it's after 11pm and my little boy will be up and about soon, wanting a mummy cuddle and to climb into my bed - tell me that they start to sleep through in their own beds soon!!!!!! This has been going on for months, argh!!

melbel said...

HI Mandz
HOPE YOUR BED IS IN SITU.
Sorry, I am not shouting, but mouse playing up.
I agree, totally.They were advised
how to behave, by experts and co operated,in order to get their child back.
They are then abused by ignorant fools,who then feel they own a part of them and expect a personal apology.
This is not Big Brother, or reality tv,with us having a vote.They have said that they have done the wrong thing and for people to keep going on obsessively,says more about their own state of mind, quite frankly.
They owe us nothing and if heir heads were put on a plate, it would not satisfy some children.
My heavily pregnant daufgter, husband and my husband, took my little grandson, to the park,recently and he came back,with head bleeding, having fallen.
I was quick off the mark,asking why his reins were off, not that this would have made any difference.
They are in agony, knowing full well, that they have unwittingly contributed to what has happened and why cannot people see this.
You need a hammer, with some people !
Also,if my daughter ever did anything wrong to my grandchildren,I would know and are they suggesting, that this family are just colluding,?
Sorry, cannot go back, to correct mistakes, on account of the mouse.
Hope it does not bite, me x

melbel said...

Bye Kiwigirl
Hope you do not mind an abbreviation,in view of my lack of typing skills.
You are spot on, in what you say.
People, in this age of TV and internet, are losing all contact with reality.
Excellent post there.
Go and rest now and take care x

melbel said...

I meant, "not satisfy some people ".

Tulip said...

Good morning to those who are having morning coffee and good night to the one who's drinking her cocoa!

Such a lot of sanity and common sense -- what can I add?

I'll miss you all while I'm away for 10 days. Hope Alroy and Thomas come back. Bye for now!

Sass said...

Hiya

That "swinging" business was just ridiculous. There were people saying that MW in Praia da Luz was well-known for it and some journalist went there and asked about this and noone knew what he was on about.

And so what if they had been swinging from the chandeliers in various partner combinations every night? Not my thing at all, but hey if that floats their boats! Are the sex lives of all parents of kidnap victims publicised in the newspapers? I think not! Even if they had been swingers it certainly doesn't mean Madeleine is less worth looking for.

Sleep well Kiwigirl! You'll miss those Mummy cuddles when your little boy is a teenager telling you to "gerroff" whenever you go with a mile radius of him!

Sass said...

Hiya Tulip

When exactly do you leave?

Doubting Thomas said...

Morning all, May I ask, when you make a blog how do you advertise its existance or is it word ofmouth and on from there?

melbel said...

Hi Tulip
You see that you get a good break.I am likely to disappear,at short notice, on account of our new grandchild, to be born.
Your posts are excellent and I enjoy reading them.

melbel said...

Hi Thomas
Not sure, as I cannot even get my mouse, to take any notice of me !
How did you find us ?
Sorry, cannot help re blogs,as this is the first and only, I ever post on, except for a few feeble efforts on DE.

melbel said...

Sorry, do not mean to pry, Thomas,but I am always interested in how people arrive, whether or not, it is via the other blogs.

Doubting Thomas said...

I found you when Ifollowed links starting at I thnk joana morais, but cant recall where I went from there. Talking of which, I see the Police in Portugal are saying there is no way there a link between Mari Luz and Madeleine.It goes on to state the differences.

Tulip said...

Sass, off in a couple of hours -- taking a break from obsessing about packing the right things.

Really odd that I'll miss people I've never seen. Never realised the power of the internet until now.

All the best with the new grandchild Melbel.

Thanks all for the warm welcome. See ya!

Doubting Thomas said...

I know this isnt what this blog is about but what do you think of the father who threw/jumped with children in Crete? My opinion is this, he was selfish and it was not a moment of madness but a moment of evilness. His wife having an affair no doubt done his head in but there is no excuse.
Also I see the adult who filmed twoyoung children lambasting eachother. When I read the papers I dispair for my children groowing up in this world.

Sass said...

Doubting Thomas

Actually there are settings you can use on the blog to say where you want to be registered.

For some reason when you google us we don't appear, but we should do.

Most came here via my DX profile! One found us as apparently there was a screenshot of us on Sky news and the antis get here via Viv's site as she is doing free advertising for us! Saw yesterday that someone also put up our address on the 3 Arguidos forum (someone was looking for Rosie).

Sass said...

Tulip

Have a lovely time!

Doubting Thomas said...

melbel its not prying, you will find I am always asking questions, I am a natural curious person, My husband says its nosey, I say ow else do we understand how or what the view point of others is.

Sass said...

D_Thomas

That father didn't seem mad to me either - just wanted revenge on his wife whatever the cost.

I mentioned yesterday that the papers said the son was "unlawfully thrown off the balcony". How can you do it lawfully?

Doubting Thomas said...

By following various links I have found some very interesting things, things you would not normall find without the links.
I followed a link to a blog caled eyes for lies, the woman who runs it is a body language expert. she analised kate and Gerrys early interviews, in her opinion they are riddled with guilt(understandable) but NOT dishonest.
Its not many places where there is information that does not slag off the parents. The bandwagon is a popular form of transport it would seem.

Mandz said...

Hi All Again...!

Tulip!
Hope you have a fab time! Lucky you!

Doubting Thomas!
I think by the sounds of it he acted out of revenge? I cannot understand why he would do that to his children.

Doubting Thomas said...

Sass, I agree it was an act of evil revenge, when I read about the children reaching our for eachother as they fell through the air it made me cry.The mother must loathe him, I would and I am ashamed to say I would want revenge.

Doubting Thomas said...

Doesnt it concern ayone else here...The way the world is going? Every week there is a story of teenagers kicking someone to death, or happy slapping people for kicks. I wonder what the world will be like when my kids grow up. My daughter is 14 and son 13, I scarcely let them out. They are taken to and from where they want to go.

Sass said...

Doubting_Thomas

Do you live in Britain? I notice it when I read the British press - it doesn't seem half as violent where I live. Britain just seems to be going downhill big time.

Doubting Thomas said...

Yes I do and your right, we are fats becoming a culture of yobbish bullies.
I think the law saying you cannot smack a child, the way teachers can no longer discipline and the internet is to blame. In my day you played mob or touch, now kids are running around with all kinds of gadgets, they have too much. Can you imagine any child over 8 being happy with a yo yo nowadays?

melbel said...

Thomas, Ha Ha,you got me in one.
I am a Keyhole Kate, but I hope a kind one.
I also spend too much time,pratting about and today, is my "Hell fire " day,when I try to do jobs.
I even tried looking up www.netaddiction.com,but get thrown off.
I am not obsessed, in general, though, as it is this sad case and the injustices, that drive me.
I am also trying to ignore, with difficulty, some posters on the other side, who come across as ridiculous,but the things they write, are so absurd, that they make me laugh.
I see that an anon is commenting that one blog is gone and three to go !
Hope that is notus, as we never libel and make wild accusations.
I am not sure re the shocking Greece case.
The line between madness and badness, is a puzzle, in this case.
There was not much of a court case from what I gather and key witnesses not called.
You could almost use it to justify any evil act, done in sheer temper.
It worries me and I am glad that I will not be the one to decide.
Take care

Doubting Thomas said...

LOL keyhole Kate, thats a blast from the past. I read once cant recall where, someone saying how Madeleine folded in half would fit in hand luggage and could have been brought to Britain. These peope are like real life Jessica Fletchers with a malicous evil mind.

helenm said...

Good morning all,

See that I retired far too early last night! Fun and games eh Jane?

See that Mandz has not shown up yet, maybe has a bad back due to her new bed.

Tulip, have a great holiday, will miss your posts.

Sassyp, apparently we are a bunch of five with alter egos! That being the case then maybe I did make the 201st post yesterday!!!!!lol.

Doubting Thomas nice to see you back, sorry can't help with the blog, you need to speak with Sassy, Rosie, Tinks or Mum21 or Mandz, I get all my tips from them.

Who are we to say what is normal? What is 'normal' for one person is not necessarily normal for another. I have known women who appear to have acted quite stoically when given a diagnosis of cancer, others who have wept and railed against the injustice of it all, even had one who quite calmly stated 'why me and not you?'. All completely different, no one being more normal than the rest. No judgements made, no pre-conceived expectations. Yet the majority of the anti's have made judgements, using their own benchmark of 'normal' to hurl accusations at two grieving parents. Presuming that they do not actually know the Mccann's, they use the media 'stories', based on leaks and innuendo to confirm their beliefs. How sad. I only hope that none of them are ever put in a position where they are put on display this way.

melbel said...

Hi Helen
Mandz been and gone.
Notdoc was knocking Jane and Rosie earlier
Do you really suppose that a Hospital Consultant, would have the time or would be so petty ?
Anyhow,it is a hoax, as if you google, it is a South African fungus fish[docmac]!

Sass said...

Hiya Helen

Nicked your no 1 spot, sorry! There are only 5 of us?? More fantastic deduction skills in action! Bet the PJ is really hoping they'll offer their help to crack the Madeleine case!

Doubting_Tom

I think a kid of 8 would have a lovely time with a yo yo till he got to school and showed it off!!! It's akin to a pupil going to an inner-city comprehensive wearing a bow tie!

I certainly agree that kids have too much. Friends of mine wouldn't let their kids have anything that needed batteries or that didn't mean them doing something! They are great kids who can entertain themselves for hours with books, pencils, paper, etc.

The oldest one will be 12 (going on 35) next month and she does have a mobile phone (a cheap old model - and she was the last to get one in her class). In one year she didn't even use 10 Euros calling credit. She's not daft! She knows that she has to pay for her own calls and texts!

melbel said...

Helen
Could it be partly the educational system, that people are not trained to assess and analyze information and want it all,in soundbites or spoonfed?
A lot of it, is global gossiping, I think.
I have never been a person, to go on about folk on benefits and have compassion for the sick and genuine.
I do have sympathy, though, for someone on DE,thinking that some of antis were doing all this typing, while at taxpayer's expense ,, food for thought.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Morning All,

Just a quick pop in, on troll patrol!

Melbel, I would be very concerned if my GP behaved like Notdoc let alone a Hospital Consultant. No, he shows no sign of professionalism
at all. He does show signs of small man syndrome though!

Catch you all later :0)

Sass said...

Tinks

Must be tiny!

Sass said...

Tinks

OMG I have just thought - having said that can you now imagine what the comments on Vile's are going to be. Notdoc's followers saying

"Don't listen to them Doc, I bet you're huge"

ROFLMAO

Mandz said...

Hi Again!

Melbel & Helen

Bed in situ and best sleep ever!

Melbel!
Notdoc what doctor has the time? Even then what doc would sit on a website and slate off other professionals with his daft theories?!! Lol..

Tinkerbell43 said...

Sass, lol, too close to lunch for me to imagine anything about him.

See you later.

helenm said...

Mandz glad you don't need to take up my offer of a bed!

Sassy don't make me laugh! bet their imagination is not that good!!lol

melbel said...

Hi Mandz
You will be oversleeping,now, girl,with your new bed!
The husband will not even buy us a new computer and scoffs, when I say,that I am being held back,in my development.
He thinks that a kitchen makeover means just new lino !

A lot of the antis are quite deferential about money,accusing the McCs,even of fraud.
One of my friends got a large payout,on account of her daughter
being born with cerebral palsy,the most reluctant millionaire, ever.
None of these people contributed and it is none of their business and just sour grapes,as all properly accounted for and used for purpose stated.Seems that fund is going up too and good,all to try to get this precious child back.
Also,they have reached out to other parents and got stick for this too.

isis said...

Melbel, just read your posr in regard to what is truly a greek tragedy, isnt it sad to see daily in newspapers and various media reports the way children are used as pawns in disputes between parents. Also the kicking to death of sophie all because she dared to look different.

melbel said...

Bye for today ladies, anyone online.
I have worn myself out,for today and they only let me out,in the mornings,so have a nice day .x

Tulip said...

Oh heck I'm doing a Gina. Positively last appearance before departure. Just read Vile's site from last night.Oh boy.

I was also amused to see docmac making mysterious references to tulips, believing I was the poster 'on the fence' (who sounded a bit baffled as well he/she might). Jammer notdoc, liefie.

I have never posted on that disgusting place and nor will I ever. So you'll have to look elsewhere in between your arduous duties at Tygerberg or is it Groote Schuur.

My little Afrikaans chat really did irritate you, didn't it?

calcite51 said...

Good morning, all. Hope you are all well.

Kiwi, I did find the "Blog for Eyes" and I did read what they said about Kate and Gerry. Can't remember how I found it.

I went to visit the other blog (Viv's). They're all in fine form today. Do we know what happened to Alsabella's blog?

Are we ever going to be able to use this blog at nite again? E-mailing is NOT the same.

If Rat and Clawdia are examples of our present day teachers, then why are we surprised that kids are stressed out? Poor teachers, parents who are stressed out by the demands of parenthood, jobs, money, etc.

JANEGT said...
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calcite51 said...

I think in Canada (and probably the US), a program was started where they take a photograph of your child, fingerprints, etc. in case your child goes missing.

The idea was that IF your child went missing, the package was readily available to start the search for the missing child immediately.

melbel said...

Hi isis
Nice to see you and hope you are ok.Thought of you,yesterday.
Yes,I don't know what is going on,really.
People were always under pressure,but
it is on a scale that has become enormous
This pack behaviour too, a lot of it fuelled by drink and drugs,among kids, because people may look different.
I may be a single voice in this,but there were days when children went to Sunday Schools and somehow,learned a more decent code,within the home.
What have we allowed to happen,for our children and children's children ?x

JANEGT said...

TULIP

You still avoiding the packing?? ha ha ha

Have a lovely time wherever you are going.

calcite51 said...

Isis - good morning - read your notes yesterday. I almost cried when I read of your trip to visit your little one.

Mandz said...

Oh the thought Melbel however never get the chance with kids up bright and early!
Hahaah – brilliant! Men they are all the same!

The green eyed monsters are out as soon as people start mentioning money & on “TV” and of course preferential treatment etc etc etc however they would much rather have their daughter back. Get over it green eyed monsters…

Mandz said...

Afternoon All..!

Hi Isis,

Yes it really is sickening.

JANEGT said...

SASS/TINKS

Your comments ha ha ha ha very good that. ;o))))))))))))))

(re notdoc)

isis said...

Melbel, there has been a complete breakdown in the basic fabric of society and the price of life has become very cheap. There are certain places here in ireland that buses wont go and even the emergency services have been theratned on occasion. I dread my teenagers getting lder and going out at night as unprovoked attacks are becoming all too common, easy to blame the parents but there has to be more to it as some or these thugs come from very stable homes. I am really at a loss to explain this new phenonomen of recording these attacks on mobile phones,truly sickening.

melbel said...

hi Jane and Calcite
Baby due any time now and we will be looking after the daughter's other child.
Yes,Notdoc had a go and was commenting on you and Rosie, but was pulled up by an anon,who siad that nothing was in the league of notdoc's comments my paraphrasing ]
You are far brighter than him,though and it shows.
What are you up to \?Are you at work ?
Having awful computer and mouse problems and is like taming a bucking bronco,as have to catch it two handed and wrestle with it.
Hope viv's site did not jinx me and upset my bits and pieces.x

calcite51 said...

Mandz - I read a few comments on vile's blog and of course the tv show came up - they mentioned the secrecy law. Amazing how an archaic law comes to the frontfore when convenient (ie when Kate and Gerry want to do a tv show) but is forgotten when the PJ's wanted to leak info to the newspapers; when an ex-PJ wanted to write a fictional account of Madeleine's disappearance.

Of course all of the above is IMHO - okay maybe not so humble. I'M RIGHT - THEY ARE WRONG.

isis said...

Calcite, thank you for your quote, it was beautiful, yesterday was not a bad day ,time for reflection and being thankful for what i have. WE cannot live in the past as it will consume us .

melbel said...

Hi Isis
Spend quite a bit of time, in the beautiful West of Ireland and they seem such decent and family minded people.Extended families seem to kick in, but then, we all face the same pressures, globally and kids are influenced by TV and violent films.

Mandz said...

Calcite!!

You are right and they are wrong.

The McCann's are damned if they do and damned if they don't? It's some of the Antiz way of thinking!

calcite51 said...

Melbel - the waiting is the killer - I remember when I was pregnant - at the end of the pregnancy, I was tired of being pregnant, tired of wearing maternity clothes, anxious for the baby to be born.

Good luck to you and your daughter - let us know when you have another grandchild. Hey, guys maybe Melbel will pass chocolates around. YAHOO!

melbel said...

Sure will,Calcite
Only Thomas, said we were fats, earlier, but I think she meant fast !

isis said...

Agree melbel, the extended family exists only in small areas here now. What was that african saying.... it takes the village to rear a child. Im off now to do battle with oldest daughter who resembles amy winehouse in relation to her eyemakeup !! Baby wipes at the ready !! Bye bye.

JANEGT said...

ha ha ha MELBEL

can't have your bits upset by vile now can we. We don't allow that. You do make me laugh.

I am just grabbing my sandwich, apple and large coffee before going out...quick lunch and peek in here. I used to just post at night, but this site became so addictive I pop on at breaks too. Oh dear.

Where did notdoc post re me and Rosie, on Vile's was it? I am honoured.....not. ha ha ha

Sass said...

Isis

Conas atá tu?

helenm said...

Hi Jane,

Read your posts last night. However, see my post of 11.16 today, do you think I can claim 1st prize or what?

Went over to TWS and Isis has posted taken from a lawyer who is also a Portuguese citizen his/her opinions on procedural matters concerning interviews etc, worth taking a look. You will know you have gone too far if you get to TW 10 page (at least) posting.

isis said...

Mel bel , forgot my manners good luck and hope all goes well and safely for her daughter and her little one .

JANEGT said...

finished lunch so gotta go

see you later everyone.
enjoy debating and rest of your day.

Sass said...

See ya Jane

Just on troll check - class starting in a minute.

calcite51 said...

In all honesty, when the McCanns are cleared and released as suspects, I really hope they will consider suing the papers in Portugal, as well as some of the blogs that have judged them and crucified them.

And, it is my hope the various governments (led by Britain), as the Prime Minister of Portugal is reluctant to do an internal investigation of the PJ's will do so.

melbel said...

SASS
Well impressed, as husband and I have taken lessons for quite a while and I have no short term memory and cannot retain it !
We used to get the language and a chance at dancing, which I love,but the husband got stroppey, as he hates dancing and said I was blackmailing him, to get my way over the language!
Moi ?
It is one of the most joyeous things that you can do, is dancing.
Used to get Scottish country dancing lessons, at school,but was always in trouble, for laughing,

Sass said...

Has Isis disappeared? Need an Irish Gaelic speaker! Did I write "How are you" in Irish Gaelic or have I written something rude???

isis said...

Sass , have you been taking lessons ??

Sass said...

Melbel

Had to look it up on the Internet and not too sure if it's right. Has Isis run away screaming??? I'm OK at Welsh, but it's nowt like Irish Gaelic.

Also did soft shoe Irish dancing till classes over quite recently. Loved it but had no talent for it at all!

Sass said...

Isis

Nope - thank goodness for the Internet! My dad's mother tongue is Welsh, but that's like Breton gaelic and not Irish nor Scottish gaelic, so as far as they are concerned I'm clueless!

Sass said...

Have to go - class starting.

See y'all later!

melbel said...

Bye and God Bless, Isis,my friend.x
Dare I ask what TW3 is ?
Don't worry, if not.

helenm said...

Well it's official!!! Gina has wiped our blog from her favourites so she will never ever post or look at this site again!!

Yeh right and Christmas is around the corner!!lol

calcite51 said...

Well, jumping into the shower - tgif.

melbel said...

SASS
you did just great.
Ta me go maith, go raibh maith agat.
That much, I know.x

calcite51 said...

Does anyone know what happened to Alsabella's blog?

helenm said...

Melbel,

Are you referring to my post TWS? If you are then it is that woman's site. Got fed up with typing it longhand.

Rosiepops said...

Morning (or is it afternoon?)

Well whatever, hello anyway. sorry I was not around much last night, in fact I wasn't around, except I was, only I was asleep with my laptop open upon said lap.

I had started a post

"Hi mum

I couldn't say but perjyyiiivnncndppppp "


honestly this was my post and I had not got a clue what I was going on about or what I was going to say to you mum, so sorry and if you were waiting for a reply from me, (well there is is above lol)

I remember sending out a few emails and intending to come on the blog, but there after it is a haze and gave up and went to bed.

Now what did I miss?

I see I have been notdoc fodder again, what for this time can anyone enlighten me? What have I done this time? Breathe perhaps?

I am beginning to have an empathy with King Lear!

helenm said...

Hi Calcite,

Alsabella's blog stopped receiving comments yesterday afternoon, i think. Just after Alroy had posted, nothing untoward though IMO. Then her archives went missing. Anybody's guess, but I saw that Claudia was telling posters on TWS that they should hear something in the next day or two.

melbel said...

Calcite
Spot on.
It cannot and will not be allowed, th rest, whatever is decided,legally.
It is a scandal, the way that these people have been treated and I think that the implications, will be massive.
It cannot just be a case of the Portugese saying that they have always done it ,this way and that is their right.
This has gone way too far out, in violation of basic Human Rights and I bet that there is loads of material,just waiting for the legal process to finish and for them to be released from arguido status and will then let rip.

melbel said...

Thanks, Helen.I can be a proper dope in catching on sometimes.They cannot get the staff !
Hi Rosie,you should take care, as you never seem to rest.
I tried those night time Kalms, you recommended, last night, as I am a poor sleeper[ age,I think] and they worked.
Went to sleep via some beautiful floral colours, anyway.Thanks, Chief

melbel said...

Rosie, something about remarks about alsabella,one of his usual missives, when not ministering to the sick[not] What a plonker !

Mandz said...

"Hi mum

I couldn't say but perjyyiiivnncndppppp "

***********************************
Hi Rosie!
Teee….heeee!!!!!!!

What were you on night blog petrole?!!! Now that's dedication for you!
Hope you managed to sleep well! As for Notdoc not sure what he has been saying?

Rosiepops said...

Hi calcite

I don't know but to hazard a guess, maybe she took proper legal advice (not from the fantasy lawyer Viv) and they advised her to clean it up?

Maybe she is a member of the PJ who was actually paid to go on the DX HYS and then to open her own blog, in order to spew out sycophantic nonsense and try to save the Portuguese tourist industry and the reputations of the PJ single handed and now suddenly there is no longer a need for him/her to do this?

Perhaps something big is about to break that does not bode particularly well with Alsabella?

Who knows, I just found what she has left up there to be grossly hypocritical in view of what she herself has presided over this past almost 7 months!

In short Calcite I don't think I know and was hoping that someone else could tell us.

what a horrible day it is today in comparison to yesterday's spring sunshine, dark, damp cold wet windy rainy and I have to take my little dog out for her second walk of the day!

Oh joy of joys.

Rosiepops said...

Ha ha ha

My rambles in the day are bad enough, but surreal when I try to write them in my sleep!

I was soooo tired last night and I sort of came round in the early hours but everyone else had gone to bed!

Mel, so glad those nighttime Kalms help, I know the are good as I can be quite sceptical when it comes to medication, alternative and conventional, but have tried these and they helped and with no hangover feeling the next day.

calcite51 said...

I went to Viv's site and I've posted a couple of items:

My daughter showed me a video - it has nothing to do with Madeleine but I am going to share it with you when my daughter shows me how to download the video. It's a video that shows some of the problems with the legal system - it will break your hearts.

Also told Bianca I thought Ana was a sicko - Bianca defended her - I asked her if it was 'normal' to have a picture of an execution. Told her if she replied yes, then she and Ana would be sickos. Also, told Bianca that she was NOT here to debate but to disrupt just like I was doing on their site.

Off to work, now!

Rosiepops said...

Have a good day Calcite, see you later.
At least the posts of others stand a chance fo remaining on this site, unlike ours on theirs!

As for notdoc, well who can say with that one a very odd kettle of 'fish' to be sure.

Rosiepops said...

Oh by the way the way I think I have unearthed two of the biggest lies known to man!

1) Who the heck says doc leaves work to take the sting out of nettles? They don't work, well never have for me anyway! (Maybe the word 'doc' was always going to have bad connotations for me? lol)

2) Stainless steel? Eh? Who said that stainless steel does not stain? yes it bally well does, my sink and my kitchen appliances say so!
Next time I change my kitchen I am going to revert back to my mum's sink and get a Butler sink and I do not care how much it costs! Good for kitchens and good for bathing babies in too!

melbel said...

Eeh By gum
I thought that I might be gone sometime, going over there, but was taken aback, by Vile's legal diarrhoea,whizzed by, not just once, but twice.No wonder, my mouse is squecking !
Hey, we are not mice, but lions, over there [even though I have been ill !]Little cell, also thinks we are paid"media monitoring units" and one of my weaker jokes, self deprecation]cut and posted.
I know little cell may be hard up, for jokes,but what a cheek !
Looks like Bianca, will not be back,having failed in her mission, to talk some sense into us.
When will bags of wind[I know quite a bit about this !]ever realise that people will not be lectured to, especially,when the topic under discussion,is to some extent,agreed with.
I have decided that there are too many pompous people, who take themselves too seriously, about who we all are and the influence they are having, on world opinion.
Less than 3 %of people,read online,according to recent Guardian.
Of these, many are nuts and we,at our side, are just a small group of people showing a bit of decency, compassion and balance, to a world wide net.
The decent newspapers have not pointed the finger at the Mccanns and why do they suppose this is ?
Big gun newspapers would have no fear of being sued, if allegations were correct,but they are not allowed to have this circus,as the Portugese have and also, I bet they know that chances are, that this couple are innocent of involvement, in disappearance.
Interesting what you say about Als's blog,Rosie.
I know that Asa went to Viv's blog, the night it broke re the DE apologising, for legal advice.
I have always believed that she was a team of PJs,anyways.
Will have to get mobile.
A bit off putting, when you have all these nutters watching in, to steal your jokes !Don't they know any buffoons, in real life ?
I am just a retired granny, who will soon be ejected from her perch, by a cross grandad, for keeping him off e bay.

melbel said...

Lastly,I meant to say to gina, but do not post there, that I had tried to give my views on our blog,early doors,yesterday,why I thought that the PJ,did not just go for abduction, have a good luck and then close the case,as it would be to some degree easier.
It is an interesting point and I think, that the Mccs, would have left a lot earlier and a lot more quietly, if guilty, glad to be off the hook.
I also recalled and cannot for the life of me remember [being just a gran and not a media monitoring unit }that the Replacement head of investigation,on taking the case, said that when you are in a hole, you just keep on digging deeper,or words to that effect.
I took that to mean, that the case was a cock up, on him taking over and that he has had to carry on, in the same way, for reasons presently unknown to us.
Well, off to shops, now.have bored you all enough !
All the best, everyone x

Rosiepops said...

Talking about being overly overly, if you know what I mean. Yesterday, I took my grandsons out to an animal park, lots to see and do inside and out, had a really great day. They were playing in an indoor adventure park before we had lunch and a man came up alone and stood behind a wall where I could not see what he was doing and from where he was he had a view over a sort of glassed in balcony of the children playing. I was the only person up on this level near the loos, so I kept trying to peer and could not see him, felt a bit embarrassed, but still couldn't see, then I thought, no I don't care I am going to get up and go and see what he is doing and if he thinks I am nosy, let him think it, I don't care. I did and found him in the corner with his mobile phone but I know he was not talking on it maybe the only place I guess he could get a signal? I was still suspicious as he had a direct sight to where many little ones were playing beneath and he walked straight to this place, how did he know he could get a signal there? When he saw me looking he went off. I did not like it, so went and informed one of the staff. Now if I am wrong, I am very sorry towards that person and no doubt I was wrong and it was totally innocent. Probably overreacting, but he did not look like he had any children and having children is not a prerequisite to visiting a place like this as there are many animals and this place where he was was near to the toilets, so it could and probably was innocent. But I felt I had to bring him to the attention of the staff, who I feel must probably be told to always be vigilant because there are so many kiddies around!

Talking about kiddies, I was explaining to my 6 year old grandson that the baby goats were called 'kids' he starting laughing and said we are called kids too, so then I had to explain that this was slang for children and they were not kids, they were children!

For the fist tie in his little life we had such a lovely conversation over lunch, we were discussing things, his likes and dislikes, really talking. we have had discussions before of course, but this seemed to have gone up a level or two, I guess my firstborn grandchild is beginning to grow up. (wiping a tear away now). Oh well still had his little bro telling me he was strong enough to beat an elephant because he had muscles from eating the crusts of his bread! (Much to the amusement of said older grandson)

Rosiepops said...

melbel

As usual you make perfect sense and manage to hit the nail squarely on the head. We are but a very small minority in the world of newspaper readers, which probably goes some to explain why it looks like the antis outnumber the pros and in real life you are heard pressed to find anyone that seriously believes the McCann's had anything to do with their child's disappearance let alone harmed her. yes lot do say they should never have left the children alone, but surprisingly a lot also say that they are being hounded for something that many have done before and since!

melbel said...

Hi again
We are much more aware today about predators and thankfully, kids are more likely to tell a teacher,today,if in danger.
Also,they are more likely to be believed, as once,it could be all dismissed, b y adults.
Your little grandson,sounds very sweet and they are a little miracle.
I agree that there is a lot of hypocrisy around this area and apparently,the tapas bar, cleared,when the news came in and it was not all Brits.
They were lulled into a false sense of security, in a peaceful upmarket place, surrounded by families and lovely people.
Not wise, but not legal neglect, either, when checking up, at regular intervals.
These children are loved and treasured and it is a nonsense to say that the friends, behaved in this way,in a non holiday setting.
Also, to me,what is the point in antis continual banging on about it ?
It is like going into a meeting, at work,have a presentation of the problem and then never pressing onto form ideas for a solution.
A lot of these so called perfect parents will be the last ones, we would take lectures from,if we only knew.
For people like Branson, the doubleglazing bloke,the guy who invented this dna profiling and numerous other hard headed people, to back them, it says a lot to me.

Rosiepops said...

Alsabella

I hope you read this.

Toward the end of your little attempt on the front of your blog to be all light and reason, you said many things that we on this side of the fence have been saying for months and months and I am glad that at last you have come round to our way of thinking.

I have seen some of the most awful things written under the guise of "Justice For Madeleine" and you have allowed them to remain. We have pointed them out to you time and time again and you have just deleted our posts.

Because I have issues with the way your police have behaved, you and others posting on your blog have called me a racist and xenophobic and nothing could be further from the truth, yet you have allowed such opinions to be written and so have allowed them to fester. you yourself have called me a liar on many many occasions and you have also deliberately taken what I have said and misrepresented it.

I am a person who says what I think and Alsabella and I think what you have written on your blog is again duplicitous and is an attempt to put yourself in a good light while trashing all those around you. In actual fact I think it is very disloyal to your regular posters.

Alsabella you need to learn to get over yourself. You are but a mere blot on the internet, as we all are and you are too full of your own importance.

Glad at last you have acknowledged a child missing, now how about acknowledging that her parents have been absolutely hung drawn and quartered on your blog in post after post after post? How about admitting that you have allowed these people to be insulted, abused called murderers, liars, fraudsters and all the rest of it?

If you have stepped in and not allowed this kind of abuse Alsabella, I doubt very much that your blog would have come under the attack that it has. What would there have been to attack?

for the record I have only posted on your board using my own ID and I have tried to point out what was wrong and why you were angering people so much, but you just deleted the posts and you done the same to others, you would not listen.
You allowed this couple to be tried and found guilty on your blog and they have not even been charged with anything!

You yourself were the author of the most disgusting piece of fiction that came in the guise of that open letter to Mrs Healy.

You showed no sympathy for what the poor woman was going through, no empathy that her dear granddaughter was missing. you showed no compassion for that fact that Mrs Healy was trying to hold her family together and support her dear daughter in what must feel like a black hole.

All you done in fact was seek to make this woman and her daughter's life much worse and you stood back and said nothing when one of your own posters took it upon her crazy self to say she had delivered that disgraceful letter.

So Alsabella, excuse me if I say that your little attempt to deflect blame away from yourself and your own short comings, is a bit rich coming from you.

I have read you saying that the McCann's should take responsibility for their actions, well how about you taking some responsibility for your own actions and really look at the devil you yourself spawned in the form of that thing you call a blog.

Please do not seek to blame others for your own actions.

You talk about posters posting under anonymous, when you yourself have done this and you were caught out, in fact you exposed yourself, you know you did, yet you have chosen to lie about this too.

You have allowed lies to be told about other posters and you have allowed one lady who posts on here to be insulted beyond belief for her views. I have seen it on your blog, she was called an alcoholic, mad, IT etc and instead of removing it, you allowed it to stay and when she posted, perfectly reasonably and politely under her own ID in defence of herself you removed her post, yet let those insulting her stay!

Myself yes I have recently told you what I think of you, but I did it under my own ID, why?
Because I just got sick and tried of seeing my ID maligned and lied about and insulted dreadfully on your blog and I have had enough of it, there is an end to even my patience!

Like us on here, you could have stopped the anonymous posts easily, but you chose not to, probably because most of your posters post under anonymous and you did not want to be seen to have fewer comments on your blog - vain Alsabella, vain.

Even now you have taken the name of two little innocent children one we know the fate of and one we do not and you have used them Alsabella, used them shamelessly to try and make yourself out to be this caring person that you definitely are not.

Why couldn't you leave their names out of this and just explained why you decided to close your blog and why did you not just close it without trying to blame other people?

No doubt when you re open it, it will be done in a flurry of hail Alsabella's and you will be sitting back expecting the praise to come in, so you can sanctimoniously lap it all up.

But nothing much will change on your blog because it will be run by you who are a narrow minded nationalistic duplicitous bully and it will welcome back the same posters it had before like 2345, Arepa, Claudia, Docmac etc these posters that prefer to insult and lie and misrepresent, so nothing will change.

You will allow post after post of Portuguese script that most of your posters cannot understand, which considering you can all speak and write very good English, is extremely rude and ignorant and shoes a disregard for your loyal posters.

So if you want to shut your blog do it. If you want to reopen it and behave like a dram queen, do it.

But please do not have the nerve to blame everyone but yourself for the predicament you found yourself in and if you yourself do not change, then your blog will stay exactly the same.

Doubting Thomas said...

Havent time to read back sorry if you ahve already seen this...on the joana morais site there is a report that reitterates two of the Tapas seven are to change their evidence.

melbel said...

Well said, Rosie.
Alsabella cannot claim any moral ground,having allowed and encouraged and even having written, vicious, libelous comment.The letter, alone, was one of the most wicked,malicious and misguided things, I have ever heard of in my life.
The same is happening on Viv's blog, but it can only be a matter of time, before she gets her come uppance, too.
Even this afternoon,Viv has talked of Gerry "disposing " of Madeleine's body.
They should be very afraid, as there are definitely people, who are monitoring these blogs.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Doubting Thomas

There is always reports of this and a lot of them emanate from her, where does she say she read it?

If they were to change their evidence why would they tell anyone?

I expect that it is just the PJ up to there leaking tricks again to try and put pressure on the parents and the others.

they do this every so often and also of course April 7th is approaching so the conspiracy theorist s are cranking up ready to start their theories off again after a little rest.

melbel said...

Hi Thomas
I am a beginner and not aware of joana morais site.
Will try to google it.
Is she a journalist ?

Rosiepops said...

melbel

Hers is just another blogspot, seems to me to be dedicated to McCann bashing too.

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/

I see that she is making much of the PJ coming on April 7th!

Personally I will nit be holding my breath. So may false alarms, why have they waited until now anyway?

Strange isn't it as April 7th approaches so all these stories one or more of the friends changing their stories.
Predictable, I honestly think this is the work of the PJ leaking out nonsense again in order to put pressure on people.
What does not seem to sink into the PJ is that the friends are not bothered because they are telling the truth and even if they were going to change their stories (which I doubt) there are many other reasons for this and they do not have involve anything sinister.

melbel said...

Found that, Thomas.
Reading the other site, though,I am with Gina,who wonders why,if Madeleine,was accidentally killed,did the parents not come clean?
What would be the purpose of a cover up,involving friends, who just would not do it ?
Would anyone risk prison,separation from their own children, loss of job and respect?
Why admit to being out ?
Pretty unusual for doctors to overdose their kids.
None of it makes any sense.

helenm said...

Doubting Thomas,

Is that right? Maybe it's along the lines of 'yes, it was definitely 7.30p.m. and not 7.25 as I stated earlier'!!!!

melbel said...

Rosie, you are right.More spin and lies, more nails in the coffin of credibility, for the PJ.
If I were Portugese,I would hang my head in shame.
The only clear theory, which has any ring of truth, is abduction.
Killing her and disposing of her body,would not be possible.
These people do not come across to me, as psychos,no way.
The reason these people on other blogs, sit all day,going round endlessly in circles, trying to make the alleged facts, fit and cannot, is because this couple are innocent.

Sass said...

Melbel/Rosie

The joana morais blogspot was treated like the bible by the antis!

helenm said...

Rosie,

Do you know who Dylan is on TWS? Not literally of course, only a poster (can't remember who) was asking where Viv was yesterday to allow such libellous comments to continue. I had an inkling that this Dylan was TW the way she was 'mothering' the group. Maybe wrong, but....

helenm said...

Good evening all,

Found this weather forecast for you


WARM WEATHER is expected this weekend with some cloud cover and moderate winds in the west. Temperatures in the west around Sagres will be favourable with highs of 18°C and 16°C, and lows of 13°C and 15°C on Saturday and Sunday, respectively.


Oops, sorry you are not in Portugal are you?!!!!!!

Sassy, definitely calorie free!!!!

melbel said...

Hi Sass
That figures, if that is a main source
of information,for them.
The PJ need to get their skates on,finish the job and clear these people,if no evidence.
That is what it is all about, "evidence ", nothing more and nothing less.
It is not newspaper readers or blog readers, they need to convince.
Contrast our Police re Jersey, quietly getting on with the job, in various countries,asking the questions.
Well,friends, I will away now, as duty calls and this computer, is doing odd things,so is an old girl,as well.
Take care and have a good evening and weekend.
I will read back
Xxx

melbel said...

Helen
Can easily get you extradited back to
sunny Lancashire x

Sass said...

Hiya Helen

I'm sure your warm weather will move eastwards for me to enjoy! Just before Easter I was taking a dalmation cross out (from the dogs' home I work at) and it was so hot he wanted to go back after half an hour. Used to take him for an hour. (He has now found a home with an elderly gentleman so I am well chuffed).

Now it is freezing and the heating is on permanently! I have heard the weather is going west - somewhere near the south of Portugal - oh whoops, that's where you live isn't it?!

helenm said...

Melbel ta ra. Are you going away this week end? Have a good one.

Sass said...

Go on Melbel you do that! I'm sure the PJ will happily boot her out!

Sass said...

Great post to Ars, Rosie. I can just feel the Hail Rosies coming on - oh, wait, wrong blog for boot licking!

Seriously, I think you have summed up what I also feel brilliantly!

Doubting Thomas said...

On initialy entering the joana morais site I was not aware it was her personal opinion, I cant see how she can get away with it, she states things as if fact. someone stumbling upon the site would see what she says as if she has authrity to say it.Sorry I am on and off...fighting kids for possesion of p.c!! Have you ever heard of a site called justice for Maddie and the twins? There is some right evilones there who have the gall to actually give theories of how when what. There is even talk of Madeleine and Kte being victims of domestic violence!!

Doubting Thomas said...

who is viv and arsa you keep mentioning? Are they reporters or bloggers?

Sass said...

Doubtin' Tom

Boggers (no typo!)

Sass said...

Yoo hoo! Anyone around????

Sass said...

Justice for Maddie and the Twins is Vile's site, Doubting T. There is usually noone on it, but now that Arsa has shut up shop until she reckons her comeback will have the most effect, all the antis have gone to Vile's. You won't find too much sense on that place - most of it is dedicated to insulting people on this blog - especially our Rosie.

As soon as Arsa's comes back, they will all abandon Vile's again. What a bunch of users!

isis said...

saaay , il give you irish lessons for a price !!!

isis said...

that should have read sassy !!

Sass said...

Isis

That's nice! The only person I'd be able to "speak" to is you!

Tá m'árthach foluaineach lán d'eascainn

Sass said...

Now according to the Internet, that incredibly useful phrase means "My hovercraft is full of eels"

isis said...

yes sassy, i was wondering about that!! Ah well you never know when you will need such phrases! I work with an indian guy and i have hm cursing in perfect irish at this stage!!

Sass said...

Isis, young lady. One day you will be VERY grateful to me for that one!

I knew an Irish student here who used to speak to her Irish flatmate in Gaelic if they wanted a private conversation.

Sass said...

Calcite

It was Arepa with the freaky avatar.

isis said...

Right sassy , il leave you to it !! Wish mel the best and hope the new baby arrives safely for both .

Sass said...

See ya Isis

Have a nice evening. Come back in just over an hour if you want - that's when everyone starts posting.

isis said...

Thanks sass . if im allowed access to the computer !!

Sass said...

If you can't make it, I'll pass on what you said to Melbel.

x

Mandz said...

Well said Rosie & Hi All,

Read to swoop, arrests imminent as early as today, next week oh next month, dumped in sea, buried under roadwork’s, church, fatima, Spain, sedated, body in hired care 28day later, in fridge, coming to UK next week, held up by "letters" British Government stalling stalling stalling Ah no need to come and question them they wont answer!

This little girl deserved BETTER than THIS…


Shove your Tourist Industry……..

Mandz said...

Remember to put your clocks forward this Sunday!!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi All,

Just popping in, but am actually on my way out if that makes any sense! Hope to catch up later.

Hope everyone is ok.

Bye for now.

Mandz said...

Bye Tinks - have a good one!

Sass said...

Hi Mandz and Tinks

Bye Tinks!

Sass said...

Mandz

There is nothing that didn't happen to Madeleine according to all the press reports and leaks. One thing is just more dramatic / disgusting than the next.

Mandz said...

Sass,

Disgusting is the word leaks leaks lie lies etc etc.....

Tourist.....Industry...Bovvvered...? Shove it......

Sass said...

Mandz

Unbelievable isn't it.

Mandz said...

It really is and so so sad...

Where is Maddie in all of this? All talk no action one big let down..

That picture on the front where she is looking down breaks my heart...Now I'm getting all upset..

Sass said...

Mandz

I am wondering if anyone at all is looking for Madeleine. Where do Metodo3 even start if there are no new leads? Or are there leads and we're just not hearing about them?

Mandz said...

Sass,

I honestly don't know and worry that they are taking the p***?

I hope to God they are not and surely CM and advisers would be looking to see what they have?

Please let someone spill the beans to where she is..
How dare someone take that we soul away from her parents all this time..

Mandz said...

Rosie,

You sound like you had a good day yesterday!

Quite right to go and investigate! No harm in that we all need to do this not just for our own children but others.

Ps It would have been funny though if you ran up to him screaming and hitting him with your hand bag!!!!!!

On a serious note I’ve started doing the same walking up next to people and making sure they know I’m watching! No harm done!

Mandz said...

Sass,

Is it just you and me in the house? Pass the bottle please BUT.. not the PORT!! It is Friday!!!

Sass said...

Mandz

It was them firing off their mouths then not delivering at the beginning that put me off.

The McCanns must have their reasons for choosing them and renewing their contract and according to some German reports they have had more experience with finding missing people.

They just don't seem that enthusiastic anymore.

Mandz said...

Sass,
I agree all that talk about Christmas - you cannot do that however I hope there are advisers police etc looking to see what they have? This family are going through hell so I pray they have something serious and close.

Sass said...

Mandz

In half an hour we will see a few more! Always quiet around this time - or it is just one of those days!

Sass said...

Mandz

Isn't it awful that the (at least) one person who knows something is torturing the family when they could put an end to all this in seconds.

Mandz said...

Not sure Sass...?

Well I'm away to make a cupa - will pop back later to see if anyone is on!

Bye for now...come on...

Mandz said...

Absolutely Sass,

It really is frightening...That person should hand her back just hand her back or tell them where she is. Strange no one has slipped up as to her whereabouts?

Back in a min!

Sass said...

See ya later Mandz! Might just follow your example re the cuppa!

Mandz said...

16:28pm Rosie well said to Alsabliar!

Very true this is the person who wrote a letter to a HEARTBROKEN grandmother whose granddaughter is MISSING???? To me this is SICK.

Yet no one is allowed to criticise the PJ??? What?? Is she for real??

Strange they “all” blame everyone else but themselves? Do you see the LINK ROSIE?? Coz I do.

Sass said...

Mandz

Hi again! This is normally the busy time but as yesterday was so busy maybe people are having a break!

I don't understand how the other blog can't see how hypocritical they are either. Nor do I understand why the posters don't see through Arsabliar!

Sass said...

Mandz

That letter to Mrs Healy was way beyond sick and at the end it was written that they were villifying possibly innocent people in the name of Madeleine. Who gives them the right to do that??? The arrogance is second to none.

JANEGT said...

sass mandz

hi guys

great double act I see. hee hee

how are you? I popped on at lunchtime for half an hour with snack then had to go...lots of stuff to do. Why does everybody shop Fridays late afternoon with trolleys full of stuff and checkouts with 50 folks arrrgghh.

Hope you had pleasant and quieter day.....??????


;o)))




http://www.freewebs.com/jimbrowninwa/madeleinemccann.htm

Accidentally fell on this link hadn't heard of before, now can't remember how I got there, but here it is..... re Madeleine

Sass said...

Hiya Jane

Just had a look at Vile's blog. You should see what she is saying about us - hysterical!!! What an idiot that woman really is. The pinnacle for her is that someone attacked her parrot! After all she has said about us - especially Rosie - the ultimate for her is someone said they didn't like Polly! (Who attacked her parrot for goodness sake???).

I hope some stand-up comics go to that rubbish site - they'll have years of material!

Wonder how Vile will act when everyone leaves her bog for Arsa's!!!

melbel said...

Hi Sass and Mandz
Please make a cupatea for me,too.
That notdoc was mocking our spelling,earlier, but it is not cuppertea,as spoken by those what know [ ha ha ]
I would find it hard, to live with my conscience, if I had wrongly thought
ill,of people and done harm,to innocent,grieving people.
I would rather not take that chance,really,as you can never take those thoughts back.
I have been pontificating on for most of the day,but not here much,at weekend.
Another quick pull at the mouse cable and few crumbs down the keyboard and e may be getting a better computer,as this has a mind of it's own and does daft things,not all of them down to me.
Also,we have no sound, though the light comes on, so could not hear Mum's music,as yet,on her website.
Hope you are ok.

JANEGT said...

sass

yes fair weather friend indeed. She is being used but she will think she is popular suddenly. Hmmm. I am accepted at last, as got attacked bikg time by docrot, vile, and blanca. Great. wonderful news. I am chuffed to bits.

ROSIEPOPS


When you come on, saw your earlier long post and it was so true on every point. Well said. Indeed!!!!

HI MELBEL

are you a grandmother yet? How are things on that front????

MANDZ

No sugar, tiny spot milk, thank you...... any biccies? gingernut please. thanks. That beautiful photo of Madeleine looking wistfully down makes me cry too. Heart breaking.

Sass said...

http://www.freewebs.com/
jimbrowninwa/madeleinemccann.htm

Just reposting so that the whole address comes up!

melbel said...

Ha ha Sass and hello Jane
Better to be a bag lady and shop daily.it is better for the muscles !
Funny how Viv holds Court. Do people really read the legal fodder she puts
out?
I would be so embarrassed,but then again,Probation Officers, do not get that much legal training, so what is that all about ?

Mandz said...

Hi Sass & Jane!

Jane thanks –double act!!

Sass,
I agree they have described a new meaning for the word sick –who would do such a thing?? Why don’t other posters speak out and say wait a minute you cannot do that + they have NO EVIDENCE this couple did anything other than leave their children. Who would dare do such a thing?

Yet she has the cheek to slate us for criticising “public servants” answerable to the PUBLIC????

Sass said...

Melbel

Hiya

Message from Isis for you:

isis said...
Right sassy , il leave you to it !! Wish mel the best and hope the new baby arrives safely for both .

28 March 2008 19:16

Mandz said...

Jane,

Here is your cuppa - just how you like it!

That photo has me in tears evertime I look at it.

JANEGT said...

Melbel

You said your 'joke' from here last night was cpied, pasted and attacked on V's site too?

they have a distinct lack of anything to say if they are over here all the time lifting and attacking our views. Our viewpoints are clear on front of the blog, the moderators made sure of that, so we do 'what it says on the tin' so how can they be surprised at our viewpoints??????

Sass said...

Jane

That's a weird site you found there!

melbel said...

Hi Jane
No baby,as yet,but will keep you posted.Thanks for asking.
you take some knocks over there,but it is really personal and only some people,especially Rosie,seem to catch the crossfire.

Sass said...

The funny thing about our posts showing up there is that "none of them ever come over here"!

As far as Notdoc laughing at spelling is concerned - there is a lot more to laugh about with him. As soon as he starts typing (cyber version of "as soon as he opens his mouth") I'm in hysterics. What happened after his dramatic departure from 3Arguidos after "revealing" information? What happened to the "things are really going to start happening now" months ago? And he laughs at Metodo3's claims?

Mandz said...

Hi Melbel!
Here is your cuppa!

Like you I would hate myself if I sat day in day out slating this heartbroken couple. Maybe it's ones upbringing? My mother would be ashamed of me.

Big waves (not) notdoc...squeak squeak..

JANEGT said...

MANDZ

JUST RIGHT, THANKS.

THAT PHOTO IS MY FAVOURITE OF ALL THE ONES I HAVE SEEN OF MADELEINE, AS IT IS CLEARLY NOT 'POSED' IT IS NATURAL.........She is such a lovely little girl.

Sass said...

Mandz

Yes, but those civil servants are also the P word!!!

JANEGT said...

sass

yes, it is. It was a link va a link via a link and cn't recall the first place I saw it now.

!!!

melbel said...

That was kind of Isis,sass and she is a caring person.
If I just go awol, that is where I will be,at the daughters.
They think I have gone round the twist though, if they see me on the internet, all this from a person, who refused to use computers, at work, before I retired.
Might look at tws, but is there a way to bypass,all the legal stuff, blocking it ?
it is a work of art, with this mouse !

Mandz said...

Teeeheee Sass!!!!!

Jane,
My favourite also!

JANEGT said...

got to collect daughter from chums 2 miles away now, so back soon. see you in half an hour or so guys.

be good?!!!


more biccies Mandz and put kettle on again.


;o))))


back soon......Jane

Sass said...

Jane

It was also quite out of date as it was from June last year. That's probably because the site has moved to:

http://www.the-missing-still-speak.com/

Will take a quick look at it now.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Evening All,

How goes it ? Anything new ?

Mandz said...

Will do Jane....Your turn next!

Sass said...

See ya later Jane!

Sass said...

Hiya Tinks

That was a quick "going out"!!!

Mandz said...

Not much Tinks!

Nice to see ya..

melbel said...

Ta for tea, mandz.
We were never allowed to gossip either and say mean things about people.
It is normal for the Police to investigate the parents,but what a meal they have made of it and done it all, back to front,really.
The leaks, really did for me and all talk and no action.
It would be funny,if not so tragic.
How can the folk over yonder, tws, spend all this time discussing,when there is no known evidence ?

Mandz said...

Right its QT around here so am ooot so to speak..! Have a good one and see ya tomorrow!

JANEGT said...

Hi guys back again now. boy it's really bitterly cold out there.

Isn't it time Helen started announcing pea by pea what she had for dinner to be first on next page????? ha ha ha ha ha

thanks mandz GOT YOUR HOT TEA HERE, MUCH NEEDED. PASS THE GINGER BICCIES THOUGH. I like to dunk them. Funny as my mother never allowed me to do that, but my grandmother did. I knew it too and played them off for it.......

;o))))

Sass said...

See ya Mandz!

melbel said...

HI Tinks
Nice to see you.Rain and gloomy,here, I don't know if it is any warmer, your end.
Nothing to report, just a lot of nothingness really.
Like the Grand Old Duke of York,the cavalry never appears.
They cannot surely,be waiting for more evidence, dropping from the sky in Portugal.
They need to get on, do the business, get over here and who is stopping them really ?
it is a lot of nonsense, isn't it ?

Mandz said...

Melbel!

My family home was the same!

As for the police yes its normal however abnormal & unprofessional what they have done to this family. All talk NO ACTION? Did she not matter? Because that’s the impression I’m getting. Words cannot describe how angry I feel towards them – that we soul deserved better than this and they have never ever acknowledged the MONSTER who took her who came into their environment and took her.

Bye for now!

JANEGT said...

bye for now MANDZ

catch you soon.

enjoy your night. Leave the packet of biccies here...

thank YOUUUUUU....

;o))

melbel said...

See you Mandz
Be good x
By gum, lass, we had milk bottles on our tables,when young, but quickly whipped off,if we had company.

Sass said...

Jane

Definitely time for a pea by pea account!

melbel said...

Hi Jane
Which one of us, will turn the page ?

JANEGT said...

me me me me me me me

JANEGT said...

me me me me me

JANEGT said...

me me me

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