Thursday, 13 March 2008

Murat and Malinka

Let's not forget the other arguido in this case! Also let's see how many comments there are about this in the other blogs, all made by people who "never go to" our blog, yet spend all their time commenting on it.
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At 07:00 WEST on the morning of 14 May 2007, searches began at Casa Liliana, a villa owned by Jennifer Murat, a British citizen, near the apartment where Madeleine went missing.
Police and scientific teams sealed off the house, and at 16:00 the swimming pool was drained.
Three people, including Jennifer Murat's son Robert Murat, were questioned at the main police station in nearby
Portimão. Robert Murat, a frequent visitor to the villa who has dual British-Portuguese nationality, had drawn the suspicion of Lori Campbell, a Sunday Mirror journalist, who informed the police.

Former Murat classmate Gaynor de Jesus said: "I do know that he has been the official translator for the police."[32] Murat had said he was deeply concerned about Madeleine’s case because he had recently lost custody of his own three-and-a-half year old daughter who looked like the missing girl.

Robert Murat was given arguido (suspect) status on 15 May; before being given this status persons are treated as witnesses. It is not clear if Murat or the police asked for the arguido status which gives extra rights such as the right to remain silent.[6] Chief Inspector Olegário de Sousa told a news conference that an un-named 33-year-old (believed to be Murat) had been interrogated, but not enough evidence was found to justify arresting him. Sousa said police had searched five houses on Monday and seized "various materials" from the properties which were being subjected to scientific tests and had questioned two other un-named people as witnesses. Murat stated that he was being made a scapegoat so that the police could be seen to have found a suspect.

It was reported on 16 May that two cars used by the Murats had been examined, and computers, mobile phones and several video tapes were taken from their villa. It also emerged that a British architect who built the villa was ignored when he called police about a hidden basement within the property.

The police were understood to have taken in for questioning Sergey Malinka, 22, a man of
Russian origin, from whose property officers also took away a laptop computer and two hard drives. Malinka had set up a website for Murat and the two exchanged frequent phone calls since Madeleine's disappearance—the reason the authorities started suspecting him.Chief Police Inspector Olegário de Sousa reiterated there was insufficient evidence to make any arrests. Police said that Malinka had been questioned as a witness for approximately five hours, which did not, having regard to the "dynamic" nature of the investigation, mean that he could not become a suspect.

Malinka spoke negatively of the coverage of the case in the Portuguese media, which had alleged that he was a convicted sexual offender. Malinka denied he had contacted Murat, and said he was "completely innocent". Inconsistencies in his account of his relationship with Robert Murat emerged: he had said he had not contacted Murat in a year but Murat’s mobile phone records allegedly show he called Mr Malinka at 23:40 on the night Madeleine went missing. On
19 May, Portuguese detectives flew to England to interview Dawn Murat, the estranged wife of Robert Murat, and detectives re-interviewed other witnesses connected with Murat.

Murat was interviewed for a second and third time on
10 July and 11 July to clarify what detectives described as details and possible contradictions from his previous statement in the light of new information. On the second day detectives from the Polícia Judiciária questioned three friends of the McCanns who were dining with them at the time of the disappearance, Rachael Oldfield, Russell O'Brien and Fiona Payne, "to go over their accounts of events on May 3". The three were also brought face to face with Murat. As a result of the interviews, police examined discrepancies between statements from the three friends and that from Murat, in particular claims from the friends that they saw Murat outside the holiday complex on the night of the disappearance when he had stated that he was at home with his mother. Murat's mother, Jenny, subsequently corroborated his alibi.

Police, including British detectives, resumed searching Casa Liliana on
4 August. Vegetation was cleared and the grounds were searched but despite the use of hi-tech scanning equipment and a British sniffer dog no new evidence was found.

Reports in the Portuguese press suggested that Murat met Gerry while the latter was campaigning for the
Labour Party. Murat denied this on 13 September describing the reports as "absolutely ridiculous" saying "I’ve never met the man before".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_McCann

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Gina said...

Good morning all, (when you get here that is). I was just reading your yesterday's post as always looking to see if anybody knows anything knew, and I guess we all do that.

TULIP, I saw your 22.45 post wondering why I waste my time on Alsa's site and I thought the best person to know that is me.

Firstly, if we are honest we are all wasting our time on any site because unfortunately, despite our strong view and criticisms of what should be, or should have been done, none of us are in a position to actually do anything constructive.

Most people on this site know my views and whilst I do not known whether the McCanns are guilty of anything other than leaving the children which I believe most consider wrong, I am very critical of the way they have marketed their child. These views are not welcomed on this site so therefore I can express them on Alsa's site without getting into a slanging match. I also find that any news from Spain and Portugal is reported there sooner than anywhere else, and I often want to ask questions relating to it and normally someone can answer my query.

I have no interest in discussing who is who and whether they are genuine posters or not and sometimes think that continuing to do so gives the person being discussed the attention they are seeking. As the saying goes, there is only one thing worse than being talked about and that is not being talked about. So there you have it, I look in here, I post on there, except when I post on here for some reason.

Sassy sorry to have taken up so much space I just felt like answering Tulips "wonder".

Have a good day all. TTFN

melbel said...

Good Morning
I would hate to point the finger at anyone, as we can never know the facts,at this stage,but there are worrying areas.
Why did malinka wipe his hard drive ?
Why did Murat hire a car, in a hurry, in what was said to be an agitated manner ?He had several vehicles already.
Did Murat have porn [child/] on his computer ?What were the concerns his wife is said to have about his inappropriate behaviour ?
The rumours re Malinka being allegedly a sex offender, that were in the Portugese press.Are these correct or not ?
Why did they lie about speaking to each other ?
What about the discrepancies in murat's alibi ?
These are matters for the Police,but I do not see any hate blogs set up, against him and rightly so.
Innocent until proven guilty is an absolute and I distinctly remember K and G saying this too.
After all they want this to sorted
and for the correct criminal to be identified.
I am more inclined to think that this crime was carried out with inside knowledge, as more probable than a passing abductor,but none of us have any more idea than the man in the moon,really.
This is one reason why I am bemused by the remarks about the intelligence of people on this site, by the antis.
An intelligent person does not rush to judgement, based on tabloid tales and rumour and speculation.I rest my case.
I was interested in the discussion by two of our posters, who are also catholic.
There is often a big gap between what the Church tells us to do behaviour wise,eg contraception and the way people behave.
I have sometimes struggled and once lapsed for a while, going back when I needed to.
I see no contradiction in this.It is no big deal.
Where I do see a contradiction is in the speech and behaviour of people who wear the Catholic badge, go to Mass and Communion and then make the most terrible accusations about other people and then maliciously put this in to print.
This is undoubtedly the case with some Portugese posters and the likes of baththeory.
That is not any sort of catholicism that I recognise.
Anyhow, I do not want to sprout religion, which I see being about love ,compassion and how we treat people really.
I have many friends, Christian ,atheist,Sikh,muslim and jew.
They all share a value system incompatible with putting the boot in .Take care,friends.

melbel said...

Morning Gina
I have always found you to be sensible and not petty and feel I could meet you without falling out, if you know what I mean.
I know that you are troubled by this marketing, spokesperson aspect, but I feel that with the secrecy laws, K and G need to be so careful.
The media stuff got so out of hand and I do feel that the Mccs have been unfairly treated by the press, who have encouraged people to be judge and jury.
With me, it is also our society, where people think, like Big brother, that they own a piece and have a right to have a say and judge.They just want their child back.
I have to go to hairdressers now, as unlike Camilla,I do not do gray {hair ]
Take care.

Tulip said...

Gina, I take your point about news from Iberia reaching Alsa'a blog first. Also that none of us is in a position to do anything really constructive. I also agree that slanging matches and speculation on identities can be childish and counter-productive.

Like you -- like everyone -- I cannot know whether the McCanns are guilty of more than leaving their children alone. Both sites are reluctant to accept messages that confict with their prevailing view. The slanging has gone on for so long now that I can't see this changing. There is no real debate and positions have become entrenched.

However, the level of nastiness among some posters on Alsa's site
astounds me. It isn't about argumentativeness, which can be stimulating, but about the words used. I find Claudia's vocabulary, for example, quite offensive and unnecessary. Because you don't do this I 'wonder' whether you don't sometimes feel uncomfortable about the company their blog obliges you to keep.

Whatever the truth of the McCann affair, I think goodwill is very important, not who is professionally 'qualified' (an area in which I'm sure I'd score fairly well)but what I can only refer to as a basic attitude of generosity of spirit as opposed to meanness of spirit. These attitudes are not a product of IQ but character.Jeering and sneering (even at people's IT expertise for Pete's sake!) should be out and I can't believe that those who indulge in it can be like that in real life. Or am I wrong?

I'm simply on the side of empathy and fairness. I'd rather feel disppointed than mortified.

It's a shame that we can't all start from scratch!

My 'wonder' could be taken as a compliment really.

We are of course wasting our time on any site if we spend too long there -- I see how addictive it can become. I held back for many months but felt a compassionate attitude was lacking on too many blogs and I want to come out on the side of fair play.

Tulip said...

Sorry -- morning all, saw Gina's message first and replied.

Gina said...

Tulip, thank you for your reply. I think all sites have good and bad posters and as I said to Sassy a few days ago no site owner can control what their own poster do and say unless they delete everything the personally do not like the sound of.

Both sites are guilty of tarring everyone with the same brush on the other site and that is unfortunate. I do not always agree with posters on Alsa's site and say so when I feel the need but I do not feel uncomfortable posting on there because I am the sort of person who says what I mean and mean what I say and some value my opinion and some don't and admit my views may be wrong. However I am not influenced or lead by the nose to join into blog wars. I will be glad when this is all over not matter what the outcome. Really have to go now have a nice day

kiwigirl said...

Good morning and good night to everyone! I haven't had a chance to read through everything today and now have one little boy back up to create havoc for the next couple of hours I suspect!
Hope you all have a great day, and I look forward to reading you all tomorrow night now, and as it will be Friday night I may be able to 'chat' with you in real time!!

Tulip said...

Precisely, Gina.

You too enjoy your sunny Spanish day.

Mum21 said...

Good Morning Gina and Tulip.

Tulip, Your comment this morning sums up the situation between blogs very well. The only reason we tend to condem some of the posters on Alsa's blog is because they are constantly attacking us. Like you...I find Claudia to be amongst the worst for doing this.
Good manners cost nothing...it is such a pity her father did not teach her that.
I find the constant abuse towards Rosie beyond belief...and most unecessary. They say we cannot stay away from their blog...but forget to admit they are constantly on ours.
We have tried hard to keep this blog clean and without abuse....which is the reason we no longer accept anonymous comments. But believe me...we did get abused.
Pity Alsa's blog did not do the same...then at least we would not get the blame everytime they received abusive comments from an anonymous.

Gina. I have also always considered most of your comments to be fair....even though our opinions differ. And you are right...we are not in a position to do anything constructive...whatever our beliefs may be. What I cannot accept is people like 2345 who spout off constantly about factual evidence...when we have no factual evidence.
I also find it offensive to read comments from docmac belittling people's intelligence on this site.
As for the IT comment he made...I found it laughable. If only he knew the knowledge I have regarding this subject....it would make him squirm at his inaccurate and stupid words.
Enough from me for now
Enjoy your day.

Mum21 said...

Good Morning and Good Night to you Kiwigirl.

SassyP said...

Hi and bye to everyone!

Just checking that there are no trolls about, but I'm not staying.

Gina, don't worry about taking up space - that is what a blog is for.
Also, other viewpoints ARE welcomed here. As long as whoever it is writing (whether pro, anti or on the fence) is civil then there is no problem with other views - none at all. Unfortunately up to now the vast majority of people who post on Vile's or Alsabelia's who have turned up here and done so with the sole purpose of stirring. They then go back to whichever site and act all wounded that we tell them to take a hike with their stirring efforts. Then there are tonnes of comments saying "you are so poor and they are so awful" made by people who haven't even looked at the stuff the poster has written here.

Gina, you are always welcome here with whatever view you have.

Tulip said...

Hello Mum21.

I have followed HYS and these blogs from the beginning so I know exactly what abuse there has been. But it's like a playground fight. Someone started it, sure, but in the end, perhaps it's better to just stay clear of the people who offend and attack. No response is better than rising to the bait and if nobody rises to it (however tempting it is) attackers will get bored. I think we all need to step back and say 'It's only a blog'.

Without more evidence in the public domain -- and there is very little that you can trust -- there sems so little to say. I'm not here to discuss theories, though I know that's part of the point of the blog, but simply to stand up for the right of the McCanns to fairness and lack of malice.

It would be nice if blogs could accommodate polite, well-meaning people who simply differ in their take on events, and vice versa, but it seems to be too late for that.

Re Murat and Malinka, it does seem a bit fishy but as we know so little we don't know whether there is evidence to explain their actions.

May the force with with you and do cast off properly!

Now I have work to do -- adios for now.

SassyP said...

Well said, Tulip.

See you, am off now. Will be popping in and out to check no idiot has started stirring!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Tulip,

I joined the DX in September, initially to just "have my say" 6 months on I'm still here.

I do not believe the McCs are guilty of anything other than leaving the children alone.

I found the nastiness really difficult at first, and thought a few times I cant endure this anymore, but at the sametime I couldnt sit back and witness this poor family being subjected to such a vicious hate campaign.

Some have made a full time job of vilifing them. I'm at the point now where unfortunately I despise everything these other blogs stand for. I try not to get involved in the slanging matches, as I really dont care what they think of me, as long as my conscience is clear and I can sleep at night, then I can live with that.

We do at times get accused of just chit chating, but in the absence of any real news, I would rather have some friendly banter than subscribe to discussions of evil, blood curdling theories.

Mum21 said...

Good Morning Tinks.
I agree with you...I would far rather enjoy a little friendly chit chat....than constantly make comments on things that have already been discussed.
At the moment there is no fresh news in the public domain to debate about...and what is the point in going on and on about what has been discussed before.
That is why I find alsa's blog so very boring.

Tulip said...

Was on my way out Sassy -- just a quick reply.

If anyone comes and stirs IGNORE them. Whatever they say.

Some people maintain that friendly banter is somehow disrespectful to Madeleine. Tosh! It's malicious vicious sniping that's disrespectful.

Now I really must go!

SassyP said...

. . . and in this vein, how you doing Tínkz? You feeling any better?

Hiya Mum21

SassyP said...

Tulip

You have said what I always say - just ignore stirrers till one of us 4 can delete them and, if necessary, moderate comments.

Mum21 said...

Hi Sassyp.
Hope you are well.
I am also off now for a short while.
see you all later.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Sass & Mum,

Have had to give in and rest up. So am just laying on the sofa doing just that!

SassyP said...

Tinkz

Which is exactly what you should be doing (and should have been doing yesterday!!!).

You get to watch daytime telly now - Richard and Judy, whatever has replaced Pebble Mill, Australian soap operas, etc!

Gina said...

Sassy I just posted this on Alsa's site and although it is nothing really maybe some of you wonder why the same as me

Gina said...
I just had a thought (dangerous I know) but does it strike anyone as odd that on all the blog sites there has never been anyone who actually knows the McCanns, the Tapas group, Murat, Murat's wife etc. who has commented. I think the only person I have seen is Kiwigirl who said she knew Kate years ago. Someone somewhere must have a view based on their knowledge (for or against) but no nothing, no one. Probably a big mistake posting this as it will probably prompt some nutter to come on as an imposter, so delete it Alsabella if you want. Back to what I was doing and will try not to think anymore whilst doing it

calcite51 said...

Good morning everyone! Did you all read Diane's replies to Canuckgal? She deserves poster of the week.

The only one I know that can call someone a moron and still get invited to join their blog.

SwedishMum said...

Hi Sassy, hope you're fine

Just found your and Alsabellas websites the other day and have to admit that I think it's sad that the sites are so "divided". I think the old DE site was more exciting when you could weigh the different opinions/arguments against each other.

But then again, I seem to be rather unique in that respect (I mean wanting to see different opinions. Gina is a nice exception though). Most seem to think it's much better not to have to worry with the ones who happen to have a different opinion.

A pity IMO.

Once again, hope you're fine!

Tinkerbell,

Have you been down here (downunder, I mean)?

SwedishMum said...

Hi Gina,

are you still on (or did I miss you again)?

SassyP said...

Hiya Gina

You're right about noone knowing the McCanns as far as I know (except Kiwigirl) - although some of us here have been told we are Gerry, Kate, Clarence, etc!!!

In a way, I think it is almost better as you then concentrate more on what you know (or think you know) and are not swayed by "but I know them and they are nice/horrible".

SassyP said...

Hiya Calcite!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Gina,

That has crossed my mind many times. I did read some comments about Murat in the early days, some not complimentary, but the only ones that have anything to say about the McCs either positive or negative are us lot, lol.

I agree, it is most unusual, because there is always someone to come out the woodwork for their 5 minutes of fame.

Enjoy your day.

SassyP said...

SwedishMum

Hi there

It's really good to see you here! Glad you made it over!

I think too it is a shame that the blogs are so divided - it should be normal to have a decent debate without all the name-calling.

Unfortunately, Claudia's language and insults are just too foul for me to have ever considered posting on Alsabella's - although I was told I was welcome to if I was nice! She is the most foul-mouthed woman I have ever come across - can't imagine her parents are proud of a daughter like that.

As mentioned before, if people can be civil here then it doesn't matter if their opinion is different from the majority here! I hope you will continue to come over!

Hope you have weather like us in Sweden - it's lovely and sunny and almost verging on warm! Sunny is the main thing, though. You can forgive the temperatures usually if it is bright!

SassyP said...

SwedishMum

By the way - brilliant avatar. What building is that?

SwedishMum said...

Thanks Sassy,

I've actually got really nice weather (I'm downunder and it's summer and 25 degrees, lovely!). I must admit though that I've missed skiing in your neighbourhood this winter.

SwedishMum said...

Sassy,

yes it is a lovely building isn't it ...
It's called "Turning Torso" and is situated in a southern Swedish city called Malmö.

SassyP said...

SwedishMa

You're still downunder? How long have you been there now? How long will you be staying? Nosey, aren't I!? It just seems like ages that you've been there!

SwedishMum said...

Sassy,

Our kids would definitely agree with you that we've been here for ages (they miss their friends) but I and my husband could stay here much longer - but, alas, only a few weeks left now.

calcite51 said...

I'm not sure what to think of Murat and Malinka. Their lifestyles made them very easy targets.

I know I've read the same news articles as you have but if I question the accuracy of the articles on Drs. McCanns then I think in fairness, I have to question the accuracy on Murat and Malinka.

I do admit that if Murat had left Portugal, I would have been the first to criticise him for running away. I don't and have never felt that about Drs. McCanns - I support their decision to leave Portugal.

SwedishMum said...

Sassy,

Got to go now. It was nice chatting with you. Have a nice day!

SassyP said...

SwedishMa

Have a lovely time - write again soon!!!

SassyP said...

Calcite

I think something Murat said about the McCanns was incredibly hypocritical. He said they should be cursed for leaving their children alone (as if they haven't been, anyway). How long was it that he didn't see his daughter???

I think with the McCanns as they don't live in Portugal, it seemed normal for them to go home and get on with work and try and give the twins some sort of normal life.

Murat on the other hand lives in Portugal anyway, so it wouldn't have seemed quite as logical for him to leave the country.

SwedishMum said...

I will Sassy, I will.

Tinkerbell43 said...

G'day Swedishmum,

Nice to see you pop up. I'm glad the DX was pulled, it had become imo an unhealthy place to be.

We opened our blog, I think 3 weeks ago today and its pleasing to see we are receiving new posters.

Its nice to have discussion without fear of being savagedly attacked.

Please feel free to pop in whenever you like.

SwedishMum said...

Thanks Tinkerbell,

Now I'm really off. Have a nice day1

calcite51 said...

No, I never agreed with the comments Murat, his mom, and Murat's lawyer made about the McCanns.

And I know that when Murat was made 'arguido', Dr. G. McCann begged the public not to judge Murat.

I hope the British police sat in and listened to the recent interviews between Murat and the police.

SassyP said...

Thanks SwedishMum

You too!

SassyP said...

Calcite

If I remember rightly was is not a journalist that find Murat suspicious because of the questions he was asking and the things he was saying?

Unfortunately, the whole case turned into such a spectacle with certain people not allowed to say anything-while some "PJ source" blabbed to the press, people were made suspects to make sure they could be made arguidos before the law changed, accusations have been flying around, it's a complete farce the way this case has been dealt with!

JANEGT said...

good morning sassy, tinks, calcite and all....

TINKS you keep restng, glad you are curled up on sofa watching gibberish tv......stay warm, drink lots....

Yes, re Murat Malinka Walczuch and Antonio - something is going on there I am certain, but what? It was not only the jhournalist's views made Murat arguido, it was a local resident who saw Murat in Madeleine's bedroom on 3 May and reported it to PJ as well. Far more damning in my view that a rreporter saying he was 'odd' and 'too interested'....

SassyP said...

Hiya Jane

You're right. If being too odd was the criteria for being made arguidos then the other two blogs could supply enough candidates!!!

Must really go now! Catch up with you later!

calcite51 said...

Does anyone know if the police can keep the McCanns and Murat as Arguidos after April?

calcite51 said...

sassyp - loved your answer.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hiya Jane,

I have never read Murat was actually seen in Madeleines bedroom but I do agree he was allegedly first reported to police 3 days after Madeleine disappeared by a Portuguese citizen who acts as a State Informer and had met Murat on several occasions.

I wonder what made this person report him in the first place. Because this would have been before Lori Campbell and the 3 friends, who we know were not interviewed until after he had been made an Arguido.

JANEGT said...

sassy
take care swedish mum's posts, many of them, calling us names last night on Alsa's site means she is certainly duplicitous. How can she expect any sort of welcome after those abusive,name calling posts there?

Not from me for one.

;o(((

JANEGT said...

hi tinks

I read it recently and posted here on it, that a man saw Murat in Madeleine's bedroom on 3 May.

hope you are 'cuddling in' with lots of warm clothes on and hot drinks. ;o))

calcite51 said...

Well, I'm dressed, face is on, hair combed and almost ready to go to the dreaded W word again.

If you guys are good and don't antagonize the other blog, I might bring you some chocolate eggs (don't get too excited - at these events, we usually buy the "cheapest" chocolate possible).

And just to keep things fair, if the other team don't antagonize any of you, I'll bring them our decorated real eggs - if there's a few rotten eggs in the bunch. Oh, well, how was I to know?

It's really too bad the Governor of New York doesn't live in Portugal, eh? All investigations are secretive - in the USA He's being clobbered in the media. I feel sorry for his wife and children but he is a fool!

Have a good day, everyone.

JANEGT said...

ROTB went to school with Gerry as I remember mention of the old baths, Holyrood School and Govanhill, Glasgow in DE.

Old Hippy lived near someone who knew someone......can't remember details, linked to McCanns.

That's the only connections I every recall from DE days. Seems a lifetime ago now, doesn't it? I wonder if Big L is still not smoking.....Hope he isn't being bad....miss his jokes.

JANEGT said...

dont work too hard CALCITE.

I have to go too now, lunch over.

catch you tonight.

take care TINKERBELL.

calcite51 said...

jane - did they speak highly of Dr. McCann?

I certainly don't know the McCanns and I'm not related - my background is completely French - not an ounce of scottish/english blood in my veins. My husband, however, was born in Aylesbury, England. The family moved to Canada when he was four.

calcite51 said...

Melbel - your comment about the Catholics was very good. I am a Catholic (granted maybe not the best - I certainly am NOT a candidate for sainthood).

I confess that on occasion when things are going good, I have taken God for granted. But when things are rough, I've turn to God.
The antis have accused the McCanns of this - I won't judge the McCanns as I don't know know.

I know I wouldn't have come out looking very good if I had been put under a microscope the way the McCanns have been.

I thought there was something in the bible, "JUDGE YE NOT, LEAST YE BE JUDGED"? Obviously, the other blog has forgotten this.

Have a good one, everyone - got to go paint my stupid easter eggs - can you tell I'm really enthused about this meeting today?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Jane,

I dont visit the other blogs, are you saying Swedishmum was less than complimentary about us over there ?

Rosiepops said...

Morning all,

I would love to comment on 'blog wars' but feel if I do my words will be taken and posted on a site somewhere near here (in cyberspace terms of course - before someone takes the P*** out of my geography)

Canuckgal hi, (waves) I know you will be here looking for a response from me, so try yesterday's blog.

The reason why we set this blog up was to try and give a voice to the McCann's, no matter how small, here in the jungle of of the internet where predators prowl 24/7. To counteract some of the dreadful things that are said and written about them. I make no excuses for doing just this and I will continue to do it, as long as I see these dreadfully inaccurate comments written about them.

I think the McCann's are guilty of leaving their children only, but unlike others I am not a hypocrite and I am not going to condemn them to hell for it, because I fully understand that even though they have had a good education and are doctors, they are still fallible, they are still human and we all of us make mistakes.

Very easy to criticize them, we were not there on holiday in that atmosphere of peace and calm and family friendly resort in Praia da Luz which MW and Portugal want to promote as a safe haven for families to come on holiday and spend your tax pounds.

Turns out of course that Praia da Luz wasn't quite the family friendly resort that it was professed to be in the glossy holiday brochures and presented by the Portuguese Tourist Board.

Like everywhere else in the world it has its problems, yet these problems appear to have been swept under the carpet for fear of upsetting tourism and the local business community.

There are many 'If Only's' in this sad and tragic case, so one more will not hurt;

"If Only the Portuguese police and MW had admitted there may be a problem in PDL"

"If only MW had put information in each room or each apartment informing holiday makers looking to relax, that there may be a problem"

"If only the McCann's had picked up and read literature about possible intruders and strange people lurking around outside, which have been reported to the police on many occasions"

Yep "if only" they had then just perhaps we would not be here on the internet today indulging in blog wars.

You said...she said...

Just for good measure here are another few "if only's"

"If only people would stop attacking the McCann's and presenting such vile theories as fact and then "if only" they would stop personally attacking others for having the temerity to stand up, be counted and with all the "passion" they can muster say "hey this is wrong, these people have not even been charged"

Aaah "if Only"...........

Rosiepops said...

hi Jane

Are you saying that yet again someone has come here and received a nice friendly welcome, only to have been discovered to be putting the boot in elsewhere?

Duplicitous yes that is the word that describes many over there, quite frankly I lost faith in them long ago and nothing they say or do surprises me.

And in a way today's story put up by Sassy proves this, there are three arguidos in this case and while two of them get hammered on a 24/7 basis over there, they hardly ever mention the many lies, ambiguities, false alibis and the great ,any questions that surround Murat and Malinka!

JANEGT said...

hi back for coffee break so to answer you.

ROSIEPOPS/TINKERBELL/SASSY

Swedish Mum last night on Al's blog made several abusive, nasty reports calling us all very nasty names. Why she came here beats me. Or does it?

I had my funny post re docmac last night copied and pasted on the site, that's when I saw what Sw Mum had written. I am apparently 'sick' and I have a 'problem'. I have in past posted to clear up yet another post of mine, copied, pasted and ttacked, but of course it was like all posts from pros deleted....despite being polite and non abusive.

Also MUM21 also last night targetted again, and accused WRONGLY by Alsabella of changing her avatar to abuse on her. t was notMum21 that did that and it was a joke. Humour bypass??? It s not as though they do not do that all the time....and more abusively than others on here.

JANEGT said...

ROSIEPOPS

Loved your last 2 posts, very well put indeed.

Re Sw Mum

Yes, I read her posts for myself, and attack is the word. Not on me, on this whole blog and as a group. that is why I made my post.....

Yes, Murat is not pilloried day in day out despite being found out in his lies......why is that? I have even heard him called 'dignified' and let's not forget the outburst by his lawyer saying the McCanns were not wanted and to go home. When they did they accused them of 'running away' so you cannot win. Stupid for any lawyer to comment in that way about anyone at all.....unprofessional at least.

As for Murat's mother, Jennifer, despite Murat's contacts with PJ she ad a stall on 4 May asking people 'too afraid to approach PJ' with any information to contact her. She handed out posters, leaflets etc also. Murat also changed his story many times. Is he criticised for that in the way McCanns are? Course not. WHY NOT???

Mum21 said...

Hi Jane,
I am not at all bothered what alsa has to say about me on the House from Hell. I know what sort of person I am, and so do my family and friends.
That some stupid old hag from Portugal gets her kicks from calling me names to her snake tongued Portuguese friend worries me not. People like that I refuse to give the time of day to.

JANEGT said...

I agree absolutely with you Mum21. You know, we know and all your friends and family too. What got me was that the accusation was WRONG ....so not only do they name a person, attack them, it is based on a lie. Oh dear. It is an all time low at the moment. Laughable.

Hope the storms have now passed you by.....?? We just had orchestrated wheelie bin chorus over last 2 nights, car and house alarms going off, and a little non-lying snow. we haven't had it nearly as bad as you.

Mum21 said...

Jane, everything is calm here now.
We got off very lightly...but the coastal village next to mine was badly hit and homes flooded by the massive waves that broke through the sea defence.
Today the wind has dropped and the sea once more quiet.

JANEGT said...

MUM21

I am glad. I can think nothing can be worse than losing all your prized possessions and photos, etc in a flood......drying out must take forever, and if you have children at school and a timetable to keep for work etc it must be terribly hard.

On GMTV news a couple of days' ago Blackpool seemed to have huge tidal waves over the wall.....woe betide anyone there at that time.

I used to live on the seafront and loved it. So dramatic. I really miss it. Don't miss the downside though. Your avatar is so beautifully calm an peaceful. (apart from the brief post of the grannie psycho in the attic. ha ha..loved that one)

JANEGT said...

coffee over so gotta go now, see you later Mum21 and Rosiepops and anyone still here....

Mandz said...

Absolutely Rosie we are all flawed and sadly no one is perfect. Like you I will not be jumping on the hate bandwagon to shout abuse towards a heartbroken couple whose child has been taken. I’ve never done it to other parents whose child has been taken and I’m not going to start now.

Hi Jane,
As for Alsaliar (who IMO. Is not Portuguese) the majority are nasty bitter twisted people… fact. Moving along………big waves…..!

The majority of Anti have always dismissed this “suspect”. Murat.? Very strange IMO they just like to go in for the kill with regards to the McCann’s however Murat is a suspect and there are plenty of inconsistencies with his story. Also when he said he was worried about the Maddie case because he had just lost custody of his three year old IMO this is a strange, odd thing to say if he did say that…suspicious.

Tulip said...

If I were /had ever been a friend or acquaintance of the McCanns I fear that I would hesitate before sticking my head above the parapet to say how great they are. I would have noted the mindless abuse and would have wanted to stay out of the firing line. I'd like to think I'd be brave but ...

Btw(unless I missed something last night) Swedish mum didn't really do much in the way of attacking -- she did a bit of saying hear hear to Queen A and said she thought this blog was rather boring. So she probably won't be back.

Do you mind (since I'm a newcomer)my saying that I think we should be a bit more laid back about things like that because they are relatively minor? I am more concerned by the attacks on the McCanns.

Mandz said...

Yes Melbel why wipe a hard drive..? Why hire a car in a hurry and appear agitated? Why was his wife concerned about his inappropriate behaviour? Is Malinka a sex offender? Why lie about speaking to one another…Oh not spoken for over a year however were caught chatting away and the phone calls to one another?

You know this is far worse than what has been mentioned about the McCann’s. We know from what has been reported that “tests are inconclusive” and people going on about returning to answer questions however the above if true have LIED and have been caught yet no mention for them to go back and be questioned?

Mandz said...

You are right Tulip.. water off a ducks back and I really don't give a rats A** like you I'm more concerned about where is Maddie McCann and the slating of her parents.

Tulip said...

May I use this site to send a message to NotDoc as he apparently doubts my ability to speak Afrikaans ha ha and thinks all I probably know are swear words.We know he visits as he knows I am here.

More, doc! Here jong, jy dink ek kannie die taal praat nie? Ek was jarelank in Suid Afrika -- baie van hulle in Pretoria nogal! Ek is eintlik bly om terug in Engeland te wees (Suid Afrika is nou soms 'n bietjie gevaarlik, ne?) Maar ek het nog baie vriende daar en soms verlang 'n bietjie na die Kaap, met sy wynplaase en die mooi kus. Maar elke land het voordele --ek is net BAIE teleurgesteld dat ek het jou nooit ontmoet toe ek in die Kaap gewoon het.

Ek is seker ek praat meer tale as wat jy praat (vyf om presies te wees) Ek weet, ek maak foute, maar nie te veel nie.

Lekker braai.

Tulp (dis binnekort lente hier)

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Tulip,

Sounds good to me!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Tulip,

Do I assume you have referred to him as a prat (praat).

Nicely said!

Tulip said...

Yes, Tinks. Just thought I'd tell him that I speak five languages including Afrikaans and expressed my sorrow that I never met him when I lived in SA.:-)

I mentioned also that I am happy to be back in the UK, owing to the crime levels over there, but that I miss the Cape.

Dim we ain't doc and Suiderkruis!

Mum21 said...

Tinks....I was about to ask Tulip the same question.
Notdoc Pratt.

Rosiepops said...

Tulip

of course we don't mind you say that, you are here and it is now as much your blog as it is ours.

Tulip said...

Tinks, our emails crossed in the post. No 'praat' means talk, I'm afraid. I don't insult!!

Rosiepops said...

I am thinking "laterally" of course! pmsl.

Rosiepops said...

Hi mum and Tinks how are you?

Tulip I do wish I could be like you but on occasion I do insult, probably receiving so much hatred in the form of personal abuse/attacks this last 6 months has made me a bit like that! Where I think it is not too good to go over board, I don't think it is that good to bottle it all up either, or all of a sudden we get an explosion and we are all left wonder "where on earth did that come from?"

Tulip said...

I know what you mean about bottling it up but try not to. These people are nothing in our lives. My reply to doc was ironic and humorous -- better for one's health not to get too cross. Also gives you a psychological advantage and makes it more likely they will lose interest.

Take it from where it comes -- the obvious motto!

Rosiepops said...

Mandz and Melbel

no stranger to you two that I think there are many unanswered questions that surround Murat, Michaela, Luis Antonio, and Sergy Malinka, I know if I were defending the McCann's, I would be wondering why there are all these glaring inconsistencies, why there are so many lies, so much, yet the Pj appear to be totally inactive where they are all concerned.

Did they get questioned the other week? I know Luis Antonio did and someone wrote that Murat, did but I did not see where it said that Murat and Michaela had been questioned.

There has been no one coming froward to dish anything on the McCann's and some think this is strange? Why? Could it be that there is nothing to dish? If there was and the chance was there to earn money I am sure that someone would have come forward to do it by now, people are not shy and retiring when it comes to money.

Perhaps people are not coming forward because there simply isn't anything to come forward with?

Perhaps the only people to come forward are those that have good things to say about Kate or Gerry? Let's face it the papers are not interested in printing nice stories are they?

JANEGT said...

TULIP

No, she says a lot more than that.
eg today. 11.37 am I QUOTE

we know McCanns not just supporters, no wonder we keep it secret.

'Alsabella you have complete control over what we are.'

TO DOCMAC, ALSABELLA, GINA,CANUCKGAL

SEVERAL POSTS INCLUDING
calling us vile persons, 'very telling'.....
'so boring she won't be back' on day she posted here.....
'prototypes',,,,'busybodies'....
'Mccanns did not personally search' etc McCanns 'strange' does not agree with eyes for lies type report

that just in last few hours.

Shortly after her posts to aforementioned, within 15 minutes, my post re docmac, joke, BANG, appeared copied and pasted on that site for open attack.

Read back more and you will see more. This is not 'friendly' at all, nor is it 'innocent' chat. Not one bit.

I only went back for last 24 hrs or so. I am not wasting time and effort going back further. These are not the statments, nor people you agree wholeheartedly with when you are 'on the fence' . . . NO WAY.

I stand by what I said. Duplicitous at least. very least.

I do hope the Afrikaans was equivalent of 'post off' to docmac. ha ha ha ;o) well said Tulip.

'prototype... busybodies'.....

I stand by my post and my opinion. totally. 2 or more faced evidently.

Gina said...

Janetgt what I have supposed to have done now??

Mandz said...

Hi Rosie,
Not sure if they were questioned however hope so because there are lots on them. The PJ acted too late hence they can’t get anything on them. When did they go to Murat home and search? They have left everything too late and I wonder what type of case they do speed things up on?

Tulip said...

Gina, when you return to the Other Place could you tell our medical friends from the Cape that I have never posted on the 3 A's or anywhere else, nor am I ever aggressive.

Skaam julle, mense!

Gina said...

Tulip sorry matey not getting involved, but they will read your message to me anyway. Still waiting to know what I have done to upset Janegt

Tinkerbell43 said...

Gina,

Jane will correct me if I am wrong, but I think she is givng an example of Swedishmums posts, nothing aimed at you.

Tulip said...

Rosiepops you may be right --I didn't examine all the posts. I was too busy giggling at Doc and Suider's gossip over my possible identity and deficiencies!

Fine Gina, they will no doubt spot it.

Keep well.

Gina said...

Tinkerbell, not that it really matters as this is all getting silly but I was reading Janegt's 16.48 post and there was my name along with others who have done something, no mention of Swedish Mum- All my posts are on the other site for all to see and I have just looked back to check I didn't have "an pop at someone" moment and I didn't, so I have no clue what she is on about. As I said it doesn't matter-

Mandz said...

GinaM,

It look like your name is there with others because that is who Swedishmum was posting to.? I might be wrong however it looks like that!

JANEGT said...

gina

You have done nothing. Why do you think you have?

I highlighted a poster here who had made comments in your blog not in line of what is her thoughts here....that's all.

I was illustrating my point over teir posts for last 24 hrs or so to show this.

That;'s all. You were named as being 'posted to' by them that's all.

Nothing at all re criticism of you...............

Gina said...

Thanks Mandz you are probably right but it was not that obvious to me when I looked at it. Enough said on the subject I think. Bye

Rosiepops said...

I have only read the 3 A's once myself, but apparently I read somewhere that I and my take on this case is being discussed.

I find that really funny because Canuckgal reckons she cannot understand my posts.

If my posts cannot be understood why are they perpetually being discussed on Felicity's, Alsabliar's and now the 3 As?

Infamy, infamy they've all got it infamy!

Oh well not to worry I still say this.

Kate and Gerry McCann are innocent and Madeleine was abducted.
The PJ are a totally inept police body.
Portugal appears to care more for the tourist industry than it does missing children or the safety of all children.

I am on a place now where I do not believe a single thing that is being printed in newspapers both positive or negative, I think it is all complete rubbish.

I will go on my gut instinct because it doesn't let me down that often.

And would quite like to know why notdoc said this?

How would he know something like this? If he does it means that he knows where Madeleine's is, so why hasn't he told the authorities?

Or perhaps he has and they have written him off as a nutcase?

"I have heard something finally.
I cannot repeat it here, either in part or full as the details are too shocking to contemplate, and I have no intention of pre-empting or jeopardising any legal process, especially as these fora and blogs are read by some who have malicious intent. By that I mean wish to disrupt the legal process.
Suffice to say it has been confirmed that poor wee Madeleine is never going home.
I am too upset to post again today, so wish goodnight to all."

Post from docmac Taken from the 3 A's site

Mandz said...

Gina,
All sorted now!
Bye!

Gina said...

It's ok Janegt I understand now. No Problem - off to incinerate dinner (nothing new there)

JANEGT said...

and Gina, you know if I wanted to criticise you I would directly.

No criticism here, just named the posters from the blog this poster came from to post here. Her opinions vary according to which blog she is on - clearly.

JANEGT said...

Gina

daughter thanks you.!!!!

It's coz of you I made a huge chilli con carne , weeks ago now , and we now have it regularly as we loved it.......

there. you made someone happy.

Mandz said...

Well Rosie,

I hope the appropriate authorities are looking into Notdoc because he should be investigated. we should all take a copy of his posts and post them onto the police. Well I will anyway.

Gina said...

janegt, some people have a split personality!!! I am bloggering off now

JANEGT said...

shut myself off beore I had finished.

Gina did you see my post to you re your comment to 2345 re the 2nd sock and being worried only finding tat if there were a foot in it?????

great post. I laughed at that.

She's still banging on about fffffffffforensics and wildest of wild accusations......needs a NURSE...... imho. fast.

JANEGT said...

ROSIEPOPS

that post was desperately off the mark from docro. It was so so sad.

Rosiepops said...

Tulip

Join the club apparently we all have deficiencies here, in fact anyone that disagrees with them has deficiencies lol

I just translated your message and I just about got the gist of it from the translation, strangely enough Afrikaans to English, seems to translate better than Portuguese or Spanish to English. Sometimes when I translate them I am even more confused lol

I was two bust bringing up 7 children and holding a career down to have much time to learn another language.
I hasten to add I do not have 7 children, I have three and looked after 4 of someone else's for over a year to help them through a rough time, I did it because they were going to be separated and put into foster homes and I could not bear to think of it.

As I was only 24 myself and my youngest still a baby, I made plenty of mistakes but somehow we got through and they are all brilliant fantastic adults now, so I must have done something right at least.

Rosiepops said...

Mandz

I know, it is not nice and I do not understand why an adult would want to write such a thing on an internet forum
We know now that it wasn't true, so what was it all about?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Exactly Mandz, why would you still hang around Blogs if you had insider information. If Madeleines fate was known her parents would have the right to know Arguido's or not. Its all fabrication imo to suit his own agenda whatever that may be!

Mandz said...

Rosie,

I think notdoc wants to be something he is not. Trying soo desperately (and failing) to sound important and wanting attention..ha!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Sorry, last post should have been addressed to Rosie.

JANEGT said...

ha ha ROSIEPOPS

...''read by some who have malious intent...'''

was that in docnot's job descrition? If so he passed with honours.

Unsourced, of course, but very very nasty to post such a thing. Very upsetting.

On a personal note, to take on so many children at only 24, you clearly are nice inside out.......
(which is the way A and V/F and Doc etc would like to see you no doubt. !!)

No chance.

;o)

Mandz said...

Stick then Tinks..!!!!!

Mandz said...

An alleged Adult who claims he is a “doctor” & works harder and has a better job than Gerry McCann. That is what he told me on the DX…????? Green Eyed Monster however I fail to see how he works harder than Gerry McCann? He spends most days on his vile site spitting at Dr McCann? What Doc do you know would have the time or would behave like this? We should complain to his medical council re him & see what happens!

Tulip said...

You did very well, Rosie. My family was much smaller but they too have turned out very well.

Afrikaans is a very easy language, much like Dutch and a great deal in common with German too. If you know one Germanic language and one Latin-based language the others are less difficult.

Anyway, SO flattered that someone took the time to gossip about me, though totally unknown to them.

Rosiepops said...

Jane

I don't know about that, I just knew I could not let them go through that trauma if I could possibly do something to help, it was hard though and sometimes chaos and you keep mentioning socks! lol Have you ever tried getting 7 children and one hubby's socks sorted? I used to think that a one legged person used to nick the socks off of my washing line!
days before MPV's too so we had to have to borrow another car when we went out, talk about the Walton's.

Still as I said they have all turned out beautifully.

Why I mentioned it was to try and say that I made many mistakes, but I was fortunate and got away with them.

Sunday's used to be funny though, getting them all to mass by 9.30 am was a joke!

And people would come up and congratulate me on how well behaved the children were, lol oh if only they could have seen us all at 8 am, they would have changed their tune!
I dare say people that did not know us used to think we were terrible for having so many children and had to endure some nasty spiteful remarks from people!

Tulip said...

Tinks, someone called 'Quote of the day' has found it very funny that you thought 'praat' meant prat. Unfortunately he/she went on to say that 'praaten' is Afrikaans. PraatEN is Dutch, actually clever clogs!!

JANEGT said...

ROSIEPOPS

WELL DONE YOU!!!!

TINKERBELL

trust you are still curled up on sofa and having hot drinks and being looked after....don't you lift a finger!!!! Feeling any better now? Hope so.

;o)))

JANEGT said...
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Tinkerbell43 said...

Mandz, I have to say its not the actions I would expect of a professional. Its alarming to see somebody that professes to care for little children, on an internet blog portraying such an evil side. Maybe you are right, his posts should be forwarded to his Medical Council.

JANEGT said...
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Rosiepops said...

Tulip

They say that your ears burn when someone is talking about you, wonder mine are not permanently on fire!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Tulip,

Do you mean to tell me, someone over there has a sense of humour!! I was actually being facetious!
(Not sure if that is the correct spelling) :0)

Mandz said...

Exactly Tinks his GMC should be made aware of his slanderous remarks etc if indeed he is a “doc”!! Watch this space…..

Rosiepops said...

Tinks

One thing I know for sure is that I would not allow that person anywhere near one of my children/grandchildren.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hiya Jane,

I'm still snuggled up on the sofa, being well pampered. Dont you worry, I'm not lifting a finger, Shh, truth be known, I'm milking it for all its worth!

I think its moving onto my chest now, its an awful bug.

Rosiepops said...

Tinks

Told you about that! it is Friday tomorrow so if you feel you are beginning to get a chest infection, try to get to the doctor tomorrow and see if you need some antibiotics (if you haven't already)

We told you on the DX about going around dressed like that!

melbel said...

Hello all.Just a flying visit, as I have been out all day.
Seriously, are these blogs monitored by Police,Clarence or whoever ?
I do feel very concerned about the post just quoted, from notdoc.
It really should be challenged or passed on.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Rosie, I know, I know, you can take the girl out of Essex but you cant take Essex out of the girl!

A quick Essex girl joke:-

When a Essex girl is in the throws of passion how does she turn the light out ?

She closes the car door!

Rosiepops said...

What I find odd is all these Murat lookalikes that suddenly turned up in PDL all at the same time and 3 of them actually live there!

Two knew each other because one was living with the others ex wife all under the same roof.

The other who says he was in PDL that night but not out, says he does not know Robert Murat.

Yet these two look very much alike and are in the same business and both live in the very small place of PDL and apparently they are related somehow, yet do not know of each other?!

Rosiepops said...

Melbel

A lot of us think this too! Quite shocking isn't it? Hope to see you back on later :-)

Tinks LOL

JANEGT said...

ROSIEPOPS

I agree entirely with the three doubles of Murat and something to do with a wine company from way back in Portugal - means they are is it distant cousins? It is all so weird.

So are the Exeter connections.....

You could not make this up.

melbel said...

Thanks Rosie.
I was just looking at Alsa's site and Dogmad was claiming that he read that the PJ will not be over until after Easter.
it came from 3 a's,though,which I never look at.
I was reading rat, who said he knew G's sister, Jackie.
He has a thing about men who are control freak sorts, but is clearly putting his own situation into someone's situation, who he does not know, at all.
Penelope is bashing on about both Drs Mccann having Munchausen syndrome.
I had to smile, when someone said that it would be a coincidence if both G and K had it !
I do find the Portugese news of interest, but will never post there, as I do not want them to get my e mail address and they are so hostile, in the main.
I think we all gravitate towards our own kind.
Good work with the 7 children.
I know you are modest, as I have read you for many months, but well done you.
Just off to watch Eastenders.
Take care X

Mum21 said...

Hi Melbel,
You say dogmad said the PJ won't be over here until after Easter.
Did he mention which year?

SassyP said...

Hi there

How is everyone doing? Is it worth asking if there is anything new?

JANEGT said...

hello mum and sassy

nothing new

SassyP said...

Melbel

Just for your info, we can't see the e-mail addresses you register with. The most we can see is your profile!

SassyP said...

Jane

Gosh really? I'm stunned!!!

Mum21 said...

Hello Jane and sassyp.
Nothing new at all.
I am beginning to wonder if the PJ have any intentions of coming over here. Surely after one of our officers went to see them to sort out a few things...they would now be here.
It makes you wonder if they do want to solve this case.

SassyP said...

Melbel

... and we can only see your profile if you choose not to hide it!

SassyP said...

Mum21

I reckon they are hoping it will somehow fizzle out!

Mum21 said...

sassyp. I think so too.
What a disappointment that would be to a few on the House from Hell.

SassyP said...

Mum21

I'm sure they'd find a new cause to be bitchy about!

Back in about 20 minutes.

JANEGT said...

yes Sassy nd Mum

they would crack up.

Only thing I saw was in Daily Mail, McCanns keeping M3. Now Murat says or rather his 'relatons' say, he is being framed by them.....they coldn't even frame a picture by their idl boasts. Beggars belief. Again.

JANEGT said...

Swedish Mum

I did quote you with quotation marks against it. Other points I made were from the blog. The posts referring to you specifically are listed beside names of people you posted to along with in a summary your views of us on this blog.

It is what you said within just the last 24 hours. It is not the impression you give by your post this morning. It is not the impresson you give to Alabella, Gina, Docmac, or anyone else when there either.

You know full well what we stand for on this blog!! You also know what Alsabella's blog stands for and the highly abusive posts coming from there - and all anon or any posts she does not agree with are deleted.

Just to clarify. I double checked so it is correct what you said, when and to whom you posted.

Your post here gave a different impression altogether.

So, which is it?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Could I please ask everybody to ignore any comments that are posted by The Insider. Thank you.

Tinks.

Mum21 said...

Hello Swedish Mum.
All of us on this blog have taken more than our fair share of abuse from both other blogs.
Many used to post the abuse on here under the anonymous button.
That is the one and only reason we stopped allowing anonymous posters.
Viv's site is the worst for abusive comments...especially towards Rosiepops. They appear almost daily. The co-owner of Viv's blog is Claudia.
I never post on Alsabella's blog anymore. I swore I would not the day Claudia attacked me....and Alsabella backed her up.
If you find their comments to be fair and proper...that is your right.
But we over here know the truth of what has been going on.

JANEGT said...
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Mum21 said...

Tinks...you got it.
end of subject.

SassyP said...

Tinks

Did he turn up again?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Yes Sass. The usual!

JANEGT said...
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Rosiepops said...

Insider I have your IP address and will report you to the police if you do not stop your childish behaviour.

SassyP said...

Jane, SwedishMa

First of all "hello".

I know you both feel wronged and you want to get the story straight as you see it. We know, too, that much of what has been said about the people on this blog has been totally unfair and in Claudia's case just foul.

I am sure that SwedishMum also feels that some things said here are also unfair.

I suggest again that people stop copying posts from other blogs as all it leads to is yet more bad feeling.

SwedishMum, we have had problems with people coming over here, being welcomed and going back to Arsabella's to complain about us and tell everyone how awful we are. After that everyone spends hours agreeing with them. It's really very annoying.

In addition to that Jane has been really badly attacked by people on that blog, being called a lousy parent, an alcoholic, etc. It was way of order, so you can see why she doesn't look kindly upon that blog (and I don't blame her!).

So could we please stop copying and pasting comments from other blogs to avoid bad feeling.

Thank you :-)

Mum21 said...

Rosie. I notice "Insider" was not very clever.
profile name is nbrado...and has a blog too.

SwedishMum said...

Hello Mum21,

As I wrote to Sassy I only found those sites a few days ago and I thought it would be possible to post on both. But it seems like the "war" that was on on the DE site has become even stronger now.

I thought you posted on Alsabellas site the other day and responded that I thought it was nice to "see" you again (or something to that effect) but then I heard that it was a clone and not you.

I honestly don't understand what's going on, why can't people agree to disagree and still have decent conversations. And not necessarily read the absolute worst into everything.

It's a pity, IMO.

Rosiepops said...

Mum

yes I know and i have just emailed Google and I have his IP address.

More nonsense, still maybe it will be lock down soon ;-)

Mum21 said...

Swedish Mum.
Clones seem to be the in thing at the moment.
But one thing you can be sure of is....if my name comes up on Alsa's blog...it is NOT me.
Having said that...it is nice to hear from you again

Rosiepops said...

We hear of things then they just slip away into the ether, does the Pj investigate these things at all, or do they just ignore them like they seem to ignore everything else?

This is just one of the questions surrounding Robert Murat.

"Robert Murat was spotted chatting to a man who resembled the 'oddball' in the new sketch released by the McCanns and who is suspected of abducting Madeleine, it has been claimed.


Charlotte Pennington, a nanny at the Ocean Club holiday complex where the McCanns were staying, told police last May she saw Murat chatting to "a man aged around 27 to 35, average height, very dark eyes and of Portuguese or Spanish appearance".


She told detectives she saw expat Murat, who lives with his mother near to holiday complex, talking to the man outside the Baptista supermarket in Praia da Luz."

Christabel said...

Hi all,

posted this yesterday, before I was banned for 24 hours lol.

INSIDER,
http://www.blogger.com/profile/04248635239569668493


http://portugesepoliceinsider.blogspot.com/

SwedishMum said...

Thanks Mum21.

Sassy,
sorry I missed your post earlier.
I can fully appreciate the feelings on both blogs. But, you know how it is, when people put words in your mouth that you've never uttered - then you want to show the real quote and copying and pasting is the only way.
I will, however refrain from that now on.
Hope you're fine, btw.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Christabel,

I see you made it back then?

How are you feeling now?

Christabel said...

Hi rosie,
made it back no problem, fine now thanks.

See the Murat tribe is being discussed.

Tell me Jenny Murats not lying through her dentures.
Then there's aunt,cousin, mommy Sally bla bla!
Malinka's grandmother has stated he lied for Murat

Rosiepops said...

Christabel

Now is Sally his aunt or his cousin?

Christabel said...

Rosie,

am I right or am I wrong in saying:-

Sally Vincent married Ralph Everleigh, who is Jenny Murats brother.
Now if Ralph is noncy's uncle, how the bloody hell can Sally be his cousin.
I think she is more like his mother myself.

dianeh said...

Hi To Everyone.

Just thought I would pop in for a quick hello.

Murat/Malinka. There is a mystery, isnt it. But that mystery may have nothing to do with Madeleine. But I do think that they should be investigated thoroughly and would hope that the PJ did that.

One thing to note though is that by referring to the Tapas 9 witness accounts as having 'discrepancies', it would then imply that what they have said about Murat will be devalued. It is the other witnesses accounts (the two ladies, the solicitor etc) that to me add weight the need to investigate Murat. Particularly since the two ladies came forward to a British newspaper and were interviewed, so we actually know that they believe Murat was at the resort on the night Madeleine disappeared.

chinadoll said...

Have tried umpteen times to post this evening, but to no avail.

Are we having site problems?

Christabel said...

Hi China,

I was having site problems but cleaned my glasses, ok now lol !

Hope your well ?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi China & Christabel,

Hope you are both well. I'm not aware of any site problems.

SassyP said...

Chinadoll

What happened when you posted? Did the post not show up or were you getting an error message? Anyone else having problems?

chinadoll said...

Well, I thought it was just me having trouble with my server/connection. Seems it is not.

Gremlins?

Janegt, where are you?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Dianeh,

Sorry, I missed you there :0)

SassyP said...

Jane

Are you still around???

SassyP said...

Hiya China and Christabel

How ya both doing? Christabel, I see you are violating your cyberasbo (Jane's term!).

dianeh said...

Hi tinkiebell.

Still only getting giggles when I ask my daughter if she wants to send a message to Tinkiebell. The only other comments are.

"There's my special Tinkiebell" followed by "Tinkiebell loves me" which means I love Tinkiebell.

She hasnt seen Calcites Belle yet, as that is another of her favourites, she just LOVES the disney princesses.

SassyP said...

Dianeh

I did a Tinks (I tinked) and didn't see you either! Hi there!

dianeh said...

Hi to you too Sassy.

chinadoll said...

Sassyp,

My reply, will no doubt, be rather boring.

I kept loosing my connection and a box came up, asking me to provide my username and password - which was not secure. I called in my computer engineer, who arrived about two and a half hours ago.
He said it was BT at fault - hence contacted BT and was duly informed that my server had a problem.
Contacted Sky and they have a 17minute queue, rather like the DVLA.

Managed to look in occasionally, between my problems posting and noticed the site was slow - very unusual at this time of the evening.

Tried to post and explain my individual problems, but, as kept losing my connection - I was not signed in. Hope that makes sense.

JANEGT said...

ARRGGGHHH

WHAT THE.....

I AM HERE, GOOGLE BLOCKED ME.

wouldn't let me in with correct password, etc, tried at least a dozen times now....aaaarrrggghhh.

YES I AM STILL HERE...

WHERE WERE YOU

I DO NOT LIKE BEING GOOGLED OFF.

BACK WHEN GOT MY BREATH AND COMPOSURE BACK.

;O(((((((

SassyP said...

Hiya China

It's a bit of a nightmare calling BT, isn't it. My mum and dad had a network problem when I was with them at Christmas. BT said if it was a fault at their end mum and dad wouldn't get a bill, but if it was a problem at my mum and dad's end then they would get a humungous bill!

As it was it was very much a BT problem - the cable used wasn't good enough to get broadband. The engineer said he was amazed that anything worked. Mum and dad didn't have to pay a penny.

Trying to get it out by talktalk was a nightmare - or rather completely impossible. We kept being put through to call centres and we couldn't even hear the people who were "helping" us.

SassyP said...

Jane

Our dastardly plan worked then!!!

chinadoll said...

Anyway,

I am here now to have my say.

Why is it, that the pj have not leaked anything substantial about Murat & Co., recently?

They think they are holding all the cards & can manipulate to order.

It is with great disappointment, that I believe they are focusing on only, one goal - the McCanns.

Needless to say, at the detriment of Madeleine.

Christabel said...

Hi Sass, Tinks and Jane,

It has been removed Sass, so the cyber cops can check it out lol!

Tinks I've had you snooty cold all week too.

Jane see you were used as a punch bag earlier. Techno.

JANEGT said...

IN...OUT...IN...OUT....FFFEEEEWWWWW

AH GOOD EVENING MY FRIENDS.

HOW ARE WE?

jUST SPENT LAST HOUR STARING AT YOUR POSTS, READING MY EMAILS TELLING ME OF YOUR POSTS, TRYING TO GET IN, BUT THE GOOGLE GRIDS BLOCKED ME OR PHONE OR WHATEVER. SOUND LIKE WHAT CHINADOLL HAD. JUST TO WIND ME UP TOTALLY.


EEEK.

hmmmmmm calm

yes I was bl**dy shouting. What happened? Kept asking my password, then saying incorrect, switched off, on, off on aarh
yeaaaaennnnwwwwwwwn
you know the story. don't know.

Maybe google has wind......!!!!!
;o)

I would ask anything new? but want to avoid bullets for the meantime.

SassyP said...

China

I too think the PJ has only one goal - to dump the McCanns in it. Now if they are guilty of killing Madeleine, then they will deserve everything they get (my gut feeling is that they aren't guilty) but they don't seem to have any substantial evidence to back up any of their claims against the McCanns. Evidence that counts as "proof" one day is refuted the next.

Christabel said...

China,
cos he's one of the crowd as is nip tuck price, Limp wrister, bet he fancies Robert lol !

Tulip said...

I see that the SA posters have noted my Afrikaans message. Do you mind if I reply? No prats, promise!

Suider, julle het gese ek kannie Afrikaans verstaan of praat nie. Nou weet julle, julle is verkeert, al maak ek soms foute. Dit is nie vir me om te se wat die andere mense hier moet of moenie dink en se nie. Ek gee glad ne om as julle een of twee mense is!!

Natuurlik kan julle 'n opinie he. Gister was dit julle opinie, soos ek onthou, dat hierdie 'pop' net 'n dom immigrant was, wat natuurlik niks weet van julle taal nie.

Wil nie verder prAAt nie! Lekker bly en geniet die Kaapse winter.

chinadoll said...

Sassyp,

The pj must have bundles of evidence, that is why it has taken them ten months to get permission from a magistrate, to......er......make further enquiries.

No doubt, they will milk that out too!

How predictable.

chinadoll said...

Hi there Tulip,

Didn't understand a word, but lovely to see you.

Christabel said...

Tulip,

yes that would be good.
Psssst, don't know what it says though lol!

Does it say we all love notdoc ?

chinadoll said...

Christabel,

Do you have insider information?

Tinkerbell43 said...

China,

Dont mention Insider, lol.

Had problems with the Looney Tune earlier.

JANEGT said...

oh no not again.

CHINADOLL ET AL

just posted to agree kept getting cut off and after my post, would not accept got totally cut off again. that's dozens of times now. Google keeps asking for things it does not normally ask for, then cuts me off.

I would be offended
If I were not so bloody minded.

;o))))

melbel said...

Just a quick hello.
Christabel,I tried the two links you gave yesterday and today,,but got nothing.
I always seem to be able to post and get in to this site,but though I type it exactly, nothing comes up.
Is this the Pj who had the breakdown and changed his opinion, in favour of the McCs ?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Christabel,

I feel for you if you've had what I've got. It really knocks the stuffing out of you, its not often I have a day off work ill. Its going onto my chest know, its at that painful cough stage!

Are you feeling better now ?

chinadoll said...

Tinks,

I am lost.

I wandered lonely as a cloud
That floats on high o'er vales and hills,
When all at once I saw a crowd,
A host, of golden daffodils;
Beside the lake, beneath the trees,
Fluttering and dancing in the breeze.

SassyP said...

China

Of course, silly me!

melbel said...

Hi Tulip
Please could you do us a translation, as I was trying to read what Southerncross wrote to Docmac, earlier.
It is mark,who he is obsessed with though.mark always beat him, in argument.

JANEGT said...

TINKERBELL

BEFORE I AM SPEEDILY CUT OFF/EXITED/ BOOTED OFF/silenced...

TRY THE OLD FASHIONED STEAM INHALER OVER A MUSTARD/WATER BASIN AND OR VIC.....clears your chest fast. Put towel over head, and GO!!

Sometimes these old remedies work faster than the new pills, potions. lotions.......et al.....

#what a shame, it leaves you low with all your stuffing taken out of you that a kettle is too heavy.

Poor thing.

Hope you and Chritabel, and Mo get better really soon. Just take care, do nothing, drinks lots and IGNORE.....anything else.

;o) ;o) ;o)

supertroll said...

Jane,
Any luck with the internet?

Good evening everyone.

ST

chinadoll said...

Hey,

Where is Rosiepops?

Tinkerbell43 said...

China,

We had a poster last night and earlier this evening, who called himself "The Insider". To put it mildly he is not a fan of the McCs. He made multiple posts and Rosie traced his IP address and threatened she would call the police. Thats why I jokingly said, dont mention the word Insider.

Christabel said...

melbel,
cut and paste address.

Get link up by holding the left button down on mouse, take it across what you want to copy and paste, it will be blue.
Release the button, then right click on whats blued out and click on copy.
Go to your address bar at top of page, right click and click on paste.
The address should be in then, just click the arrow at side or search whichever you have.
Probably sounds as clear as mud but try it.
Will delete when you have done so.

JANEGT said...

DO N O T START ME OFF ON BT AND CALL CENTRES.

menu choices, music, more meu choices, wrong one, back tobeginning, more music, menu 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,..............1000

none right end up back where started at premium prices, then ....hang up. fizz. get mad... start all over again. I once tried to reverse charge to bt.

Yeah. great..

didn't work.

drives me round the bend. aarrgghh

I am having a bad b a d day.

in, out, in and out, phewwwwwww.

lavender essence, candles, warm bath.

how do you dry out a new acer laptop???? I put it in.

;o)))))

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Melbel,

Do you mean what Docmac wrote to himself!

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