Thursday, 6 March 2008

This Case Went To a Judge On 12 October 2007 For Grounds For A Trial, It Is Now March What Is The Hold Up Portugal?

12/09/2007

LISBON (Reuters) - Portugal’s public prosecutor on Tuesday passed the case against the parents of missing 4-year-old Madeleine McCann to a criminal judge who will decide whether there are grounds for a trial.
Kate and Gerry McCann were declared suspects in the case last week but were allowed to leave for England on Sunday.


"The case was submitted to the criminal judge who will decide on it at an opportune moment," a spokeswoman at the prosecutor’s office in the Algarve town of Portimao said in a televised statement.

The judge can decide there is enough evidence for a trial or reject the case for having insufficient evidence.
The spokeswoman gave no details of the evidence or what accusations the McCanns might face in the case involving their daughter’s disappearance from a hotel room in an Algarve resort on May 3.


But the prosecutor’s office said that the next steps in the continuing investigation, would be decided within 10 days, including any possible new measures against the McCanns.
In a statement, the Algarve prosecutor also said it was handing the matter to a more senior prosecutor in a neighbouring region, in a sign of the importance of the case.


Until last week there was not sufficient evidence to do anything other than name the McCanns as suspects, it said.

file includes the results of forensic tests of evidence taken from various sites in the Praia da Luz resort where Madeleine vanished and details of police interviews with the McCanns. They were both interviewed for several hours last week.
On his blog (www.findmadeleine.com), Gerry McCann denied any involvement in the disappearance of his daughter.


"We have absolute confidence that, when all of the facts are presented together, we will be able to demonstrate that we played absolutely no part in Madeleine’s abduction," he said.
"Kate and I are totally 100 percent confident in each other’s innocence and our family and friends have rallied round unflinchingly to support us. The pain and turmoil we have experienced in this last week is totally beyond description."


The forensic evidence may clear up whether Madeleine’s DNA was found in a car hired by the McCanns after she disappeared. Alipio Ribeiro, head of the judicial police investigating the case, said it was not conclusive.
Facing criticism that the investigation has been too slow, Portuguese Justice Minister Alberto Costa said the police force was "investigating with all its competence and with all necessary resources".


"I have full confidence in the police," he was quoted as saying by TSF radio.

After their daughter’s disappearance, the McCanns launched a high-profile publicity campaign across Europe to try to find her. Police have said they believe the little girl is dead.
With Portugal’s slow-moving legal system, where courts and prosecutors are overburdened with cases, the case could drag on for many more months, legal experts said.
Kate McCann told the Sunday Mirror that detectives had pressured her to confess to having accidentally killed her daughter.


http://www.tiscali.co.uk/news/newswire.php/news/reuters/2007/09/12/topnews/madeleine-case-sent-to-judge.html&template=/news/feeds/story-template-reuters.html?page=1

It is Now March 2008 and still the McCanns are being kept totally in the dark about their daughter and about their position, surely their human rights are being abused. This is beginning to look extremely bad for Portugal and they are losing all credibility over the disgraceful way they have and continue to handle this case.

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SassyP said...

I'll never understand why the antis say that there is no hurry - that the PJ is taking its time in getting a case together. Surely if they really believed that the McCanns had done something to their daughter, time would be of the essence because of the twins.

Jojam said...

Yes the case does appear to have stalled...........However Kate & Gerry have exercised their Right's by not returning to answer PJ Questions.........This may have cleared up any contradictions in the evidence & clarified things......this would probably have changed their status....... there are faults on both sides which have caused the delays.............I always believe With Rights comes Responsibility...........Surely Kate & Gerry had a responsibility to answer all questions........ Just my opionion as I am still OTF & try to see both sides

Have a good day

SassyP said...

Hiya JoJam

Nice to see ya!

With all the press coverage, I find it difficult to know who is stalling what. The stories changed from one day to the next and now there aren't any!

Jojam said...

Hi Sassy,
Not stopping........Yes I agree.....can't believe media reports..........I hope the questioning will take place soon.........it is really strange how quite it has gone........lets hope its a good sign and PJ are on their way!

SassyP said...

Yup! Am beginning to think the Portuguese forgot to send them!

Dobywallah said...

GOOD MORNING CAMPERS... Hi Sassy and Jojam. As I see it (through my bottle bottom specks, kidding)the PJ have nothing much to go on, in fact I would say "nothing". They have tried every trick in the book including continuous leakages to the Portuguese press who have made the most of the suppositions and lies and are now dragging their heels hoping something is going to turn up, like 'next Christmas for instance!'The 'McCann character assassinators'are running out of steam and are now completely dependent on the 'neglect' issue!
Incidentally last night I stated I was sure who 'anonimous' really is but couln't think of his/her name, but his comments on 'a broken larinx' and 'DNA fluids' could only have come from ? and that's the point, I just can't remember his/her name but he/she was never off the DX HYS forum and was always on about the same old thing, Blood, DNA, and Body fluids!
Have racked my brain but can't think of the name, it may come to me eventually, perhaps it rings a bell with you guys, but he's for sure a real "hate the McCanns" character!

Mandz said...

Yes the case does appear to have stalled...........However Kate & Gerry have exercised their Right's by not returning to answer PJ Questions.........This may have cleared up any contradictions in the evidence & clarified things......this would probably have changed their status....... there are faults on both sides which have caused the delays.............I always believe With Rights comes Responsibility...........Surely Kate & Gerry had a responsibility to answer all questions........ Just my opionion as I am still OTF & try to see both sides

Have a good day
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Joham,
When were Gerry and Kate McCann asked to go back to Portugal for………. “Questioning”…?
Also the alleged contradictions are with the whole group not just Kate and Gerry therefore have the whole group been asked back and also it was reported that JT asked to go back and the PJ declined.
As for their rights their rights as “suspects” allowed them not to answer if indeed they did “not”? They have a right to not answer if the questions are nothing to do with the case for example personal etc.

Mandz said...

Sorry I meant Jojam!

Dobywallah said...

Hiya Mandz, hows things?

Dobywallah said...

Howdi Mandz, hows things?

Jojam said...

Hi Mandz,
I did not say that they had been asked to go back to answer questions..........but they had a Right to do so & I feel it would have probably clarified things......Who Knows?......I don't...........I feel that they had a responsibility to answer questions even if they were personal...........I would have thought this preferable to the current situation

I'm off now, may drop in later.

Mum21 said...

Doby....I think you are refering to 2345/bestrest.

Dobywallah said...

Howdi Mandz.

SassyP said...

Hiya Mandz, Dobywallah and Mum21

Just a quick hi and bye - wanted to check this place wasn't going wally!

See you

Me

Dobywallah said...

Howdi Mandz.

Dobywallah said...

Mum21, sorry I'm confused, what do you mean? I seem to be having trouble signing in or whatever? What do you mean 2345/bestrest?
CONFUSED.COM

SassyP said...

Dobywallah

Hiya again

Mum21 meant it was 2345 who may also be called Bestrest on the DX who said that about the bodily fluids.

Mandz said...

Hi Jojam!

Why go all the way to Portugal to answer personal questions which could be something like are you and your friends swingers….? I do not think leaving their children for this is wise. The PJ could ask them to go to Portugal that way it would have saved any letters etc?
I honestly don't know!

Mandz said...

Hi Doby!
How are you……?
I’m never on the same time as you these days and I’m going off now!!
Hope to see you on later!

Dobywallah said...

Hello Sassy, thanks for the Info, didn't realize what Mum21 meant the 2345 thing didn't ring a bell. Thought it was an Alias perhaps for Anonimous? Still, we get there in the end don't we, thanks to both your help! Now, like Mandz, I have to shoot off again but will be back later all being well!
Bye for now, Doby. X

calcite51 said...

Jojam - The PJ's are SUPPOSEDLY going to England to interview three people. At this point, I don't know if Kate and Gerry will be reinterviewed. So why would Gerry and Kate go to Portugal to answer questions?

In any case, when one has legal representation during an interview, one follows their advise. I'm sure the lawyer was the one that told Kate "Don't answer that question."

Gerry it was my understanding had answered all questions.

SassyP said...

Bye Doby

Hi Calcite

I wonder what the 40 questions were that Kate allegedly refused to answer. They can't have been as obvious as someone on HYS said - one example given there was "Did you kill your daughter???!!!) What a stupid thing to say! Even if she were guilty she would answer that - with a no!

Some people!

calcite51 said...

Hi, Sassy - I agree. I don't think they were as obvious as the HS stated.

All I know is that I have never seen such malicious behaviour towards a heartbroken couple.

SassyP said...

Calcite

I know - unbelievable isn't it? (and disgusting)

Rosiepops said...

Hi There,

I do not understand what the fixation on the McCann's answering these alleged questions is.

For the PJ to actually question the McCann's a Portuguese judge has to rule there is sufficient evidence and as the PJ are supposedly coming to Britain to question 3 of the friends only, one has to assume that there is still no evidence to grant the PJ permission to question them, so why keep blaming them for something that is not their fault?

The PJ do not have to have evidence with which to question the friends, so why if (big IF) they are making the journey to the UK are they not taking the opportunity to question all 7 friends, instead of this reported 3?

Why anyway, is it suddenly so important they question these people? It is now over 10 months since they took their original statements and the PJ have been reported as coming to question the friends for the past 5 months and still they have not managed to get here to do it.

Despite reports that the PJ are coming, there is still no sign of them, not even a little dot on the horizon!

As today's story clearly shows that back in October there was no evidence to grant further questioning of Kate and Gerry, it is now March 2008 and there is still evidence to support questioning of them.

With regard to the questions that were asked back in September, apparently Gerry did answer the questions put to him and Kate was advised not to answer some questions put to her, why are people attacking her for taking legal advice and complying with it and for using her rights?

She has said that the PJ were trying to pressurise her into saying she killed Madeleine, if she did not kill her and the PJ keep asking her questions like: "Did you kill Madeleine" "How did you kill her" "where have you hidden her body" "how did you manage to hide her?" "etc so on and so forth, if she didn't kill her just how can she possibly answer those questions?

What is the big deal about the PJ coming to talk to the friends anyway? Looking at it realistically, just how useful will it be? What is its purpose? I can only think that it is a tidying up of loose ends before the case goes on the shelf and this is why there is no great haste to get it done

There wasn't any evidence to make the McCann's suspects in the first place, this has more or less been admitted by Alipio Ribeiro and backed by his boss Alberto Costas, they were only made arguidos because:

1) Disgraced arguido detective Goncalo Amaral knew they were planning on leaving Portugal

2) Because Portugal's law was going to change stating that the police had to have evidence to make people arguidos and there was none, he acted to make them suspects before the law changed

3) It is now 5 months on since October, there was no evidence to talk to the McCann's again then and there is s till nothing now.

It is obviously not if the McCann's lose their arguido status but when.

How much longer under the gaze of the entire world can Portugal be seen to be treating these people so inhumanely?

How much longer are the PJ going to keep trying to fool the public as well as themselves over this case?

How much longer will it be before the PJ put there hands up and say sorry we called this one wrong and we are actually guilty of serious professional negligence?

How much longer can Portugal an EU Member State, be allowed to possess archaic laws that actually harm and impede the cases they are trying to investigate?

How much longer does Portugal an EU Member State, think it can get away with this kind of incompetence?

How much longer can the EU allow Portugal to get away with this kind of incompetence and treatment of two European citizens that have not even been charged with any wrong doing?

Questions have to start to be asked on behalf of this couple about their treatment which is like a latter day witch hunt and which has been inflamed by leaks allegedly by PJ sources to the Portuguese press, of a most bizarre and lurid nature.

The whole world has been privy to watching trial of Kate and Gerry McCann by media and the PJ's case has rested on lies, supposition and totally bizarre accusations.

Meanwhile while Portugal's reputation is is ruins, the PJ's reputation is laying in tatters, Kate and Gerry McCann are continued to be tortured mentally on a daily basis and still the only fact is that

Madeleine McCann is missing, vanished from her bed, abducted by God knows who and her abductors have been allowed to get away with their crime without any real investigation by the Portuguese Policia Judiciaria and they are still going unpunished and free and are still not being hunted down and how they must be laughing at Portugal and the crack elite Policia Judiciaria.

Poor Madeleine, I only hope to God that Metodo3 or Neil Hogan get lucky and manage to find these creatures before they have another chance to strike - if they haven't already!

melbel said...

Hi all
I am afraid that I got upset and confused after Monday evening, after I had stopped posting, but not gone away.
I felt very sorry for the moderators, who handled things so well and felt humbled that this is being done for love, after a hard day's work.
I am afraid that I regard Dope as of malicious intent and it felt like the DE again and brought back the same feelings .I regard Dope as one of the most sinister posters, like viv, Drval and Irina.
I would not like to be in a concentration camp under the charge of any of them.
However, it is our blog and I was personally invited on here.
I read back the last two evenings and I was pleased that Mum is back again.
It was lovely when it was just the invited ones and you felt to be in the company of good pals, all wanting to support the Mccanns, a little bit of cyberspace that was wholesome and good.
I have long since gone past the point of thinking debate was appropriate or useful, like a whodunnit, as some of the anon posters on here come for.
I think really that for the DE to put it up for debate was unethical and cynical, for there should be no debate in such a situation.Innocent until proven guilty is an absolute.
Re the length of time the Portugese are taking, all played out in the public eye, with no regard for how it affects |Madeleine's family and the twins, it is an affront to civilised people.
We use to read on the DE forum that it was alright that the PJ had 15 years to get a case together.
Well, it is not alright and I am confident that the Mccanns will have none of it and rightly so.
I remember early on, when this broke, concerned people saying that someone needed to organise planes so that we could get there to search.
Our nation has been under estimated before and let them understand that there are many people who will not stand for things to be left in some legal limbo, with innuendo .and implication that they are guilty, but there is not sufficient proof.
I am just a gran, a very unlikely person to be bashing at a keyboard and writing letters.
Anyhow, sorry if I wobbled a bit .
I can only pop on and off, but I am proud that you are trying to have a bit of the internet where decency, kindness and compassion reign.
Do you need to contact anyone in DE?sassy's profile is active.
I am not bothered about being banned.
I will not be looking at any other blog from now on.
I cannot be bothered to look at the views of nasty, cruel people. There are such people in the world, but I care not a jot for their opinion.
They will slink away, in the end.

calcite51 said...

Melbel and Mum21 - welcome back - we have missed you.

melbel said...

Thanks calcite.
I was very sorry to hear of your loss.
Rosie, that was a brilliant post and very well summarised.

calcite51 said...

Rosiepops, I see you managed to get rid of the "Anonymous" - good.

calcite51 said...

I don't think I've ever read anything Irina the other two I am very familiar with. Had a run-in or two with them, I think.

Gina said...

Rosie here is the dot on the horizon you have been seeking. The Pj may not be coming because the UK police went to Portugal instead.
Thought you may find this inteFrom the Evening Echo

Police discuss re-interviewing friends of McCanns

06/03/2008 - 2:45:49 PM

British and Portuguese police have met to discuss re-interviewing the friends who dined with Madeleine McCann's parents on the day she disappeared.

Leicestershire Detective Superintendent Stuart Prior returned from the Algarve today after meetings counterparts in Portugal about how the fresh interviews would be conducted.

Madeleine went missing from her family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3 last year while Gerry and Kate McCann ate dinner at a nearby tapas bar with friends.

Detectives have focused on the witness accounts given by the group, the so-called "tapas nine", to try to establish a timeline of events on that evening.

Mr Prior flew to Portugal to discuss the issue of mutual legal assistance, the process whereby evidence is gathered in one country to help an investigation in another.

A Leicestershire police spokeswoman said: "Since Madeleine's disappearance, we, together with other law enforcement agencies, have been working closely with the Portuguese authorities.

"Mr Prior has attended a series of meetings with his Portuguese counterparts. He travelled to Portugal on Tuesday and returned this morning.

"He went to discuss how the request for mutual legal assistance is to be executed and to seek clarification over elements of the request."

The process itself could involve Portuguese police writing questions to be put to the friends on their behalf by their British counterparts.

Officers involved in the investigation in the Algarve could still fly to Britain to sit in on the interviews, which are likely to be held at a location in Leicestershire.

The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "The sooner this re-interviewing takes place the better.

"The friends are very keen to help police understand their original statements. No one will be changing their story.

"We are not aware that Kate and Gerry are to be re-interviewed at this stage, but if so, that's not an issue."

The McCanns, from Rothley in Leicestershire, were joined at the tapas restaurant on May 3 by Jane Tanner, Dianne Webster, Matthew and Rachael Oldfield, Russell O'Brien and David and Fiona Payne.

A Home Office spokeswoman said: "We have already confirmed that we have received a mutual legal assistance request from the Portuguese authorities in connection with the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

"We are currently awaiting clarification from the Portuguese authorities over elements of the request.

"Home Office officials continue to work closely with the police to assist the Portuguese authorities with this investigation."

06 March 2008 16:56
resting

calcite51 said...

Thanks, Gina for the information. It's about time...

Mandz said...

Hello all!

Rosie & melbel....well said girls!!

Nice to see you all again!

calcite51 said...

Other Law Enforcement agencies - I wonder if that is Scotland Yard?

calcite51 said...

Thanks Melbel for your sympathies. My aunt no longer had quality of life - she loved to read and was completely blind at the end. So, it really was a blessing.

Mandz said...

Thanks GinaM!

Well that speaks volumes:

"The friends are very keen to help police understand their original statements. No one will be changing their story.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Melbel and Calcite

Really good to see you both and good to see Mum21 posting again this morning.
we tried keeping this blog open and then the insults started again, it appears that some cannot be trusted with free speech, which actually comes with responsibility.

They are not going to be allowed to wreck this blog, they can slither away to whence they came and play their lurid games thinking up blood curdling killing theories and their barking mad totally bizarre conspiracy theories, because these have no place on here.

For me I believe the McCann's are innocent and I would like to see pressure put on Portugal to start bring their archaic laws up to date and if they do not want to, then they should be asked to leave the EU. If we have to be in the EU then it is about time it actually started working for people and it could start by trying to sort out the mess that Portugal's policia judiciaria have made out of this investigation and so release these poor people from the unnecessary pain and suffering now being inflicted upon them - enough is enough.

Rogatory Letters, where are they?

Gina said...

Calcite I just looked in on here to see what you all thought about it only to find that none seemed aware of this news, so that is why I posted it. As you say, about time. Off now BYE ALL

melbel said...

Hi Mandz
Good to see you.
I reckon this will just be tying up loose ends.
Thanks for information,Gina.
The Home Office are quite correct to clarify things,where it affects UK citizens.
There cannot be much of substance,after all this time or surely things would have taken a different course .

Christabel said...

Evening all,
I see the PJ may not be coming over after all.
Oh dear come on who's telling porkies again ?

calcite51 said...

"The process itself could involve Portuguese police writing questions to be put to the friends on their behalf by their British counterparts."

Hope they have the questions ready otherwise, it could take another nine months to come up with the questions.

Rosiepops said...

Thanks for that news Gina, lets hope this questioning takes place ASAP, too much time has been wasted over what looks to be a triviality, to me Madeleine is still missing and too much attention has been placed on trying to make her parents look guilty and way too little attention and action has been focused on actually finding her or discovering what happened to her.

Not your fault and I am not shooting you down Gina, but this has gone on for too long and people's lives that have been horrendously blighted by a dreadful tragedy are now being hideously affected by unnecessary pain and suffering.

I do believe that Britain is now running out of patience.

Madeleine McCann, where is she? Who took her? When will they be caught?

Christabel said...

Calcite

That story is also in the DM saw it about an hour ago.

calcite51 said...

Christabel - thanks for the info.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Christabel,

As time goes on in this tragedy several things are evident

1) Madeleine is missing

2) Her parents are telling the truth

3) Madeleine *was* abducted

4) Her abductor/s have been allowed to go free

5) The PJ are slow, cumbersome and incompetent, made worse by archaic laws

6) The PJ are *NOT* coming to question the friends

And

7) Alsabelia doesn't have a clue what she is talking about and tells lies.

oh and Viv is a twit and is totally infatuated with notdoc and notdoc is *not* a doc.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Mandz

Good to see you and great to be on at the same time as you for a change!

Christabel where have you been haven't seen much of you lately, how is your sister? hope she is recovering well. x

calcite51 said...

Now Rosie - don't hold anything back - tell us exactly how you're feeling.

calcite51 said...

Wonder where DianeH is this morning?

SassyP said...

Hiya

Should have been at my evening class tonight but I drove there and the teacher said there were only two of us so she was cancelling! How miffed I am - I spent 1.5 hours in the car for nothing. Told her I'd come specially - changed nothing!

Thank you Melbel for your kind words. Glad you like it here.

Mandz said...

Something else that bothers me:

If MW offer this “baby listening service” for nannies to listen at doors however never enter then surely the McCann’s cannot be charge with neglect………..? They were doing the same service offered at MW complex.
Surely if people are calling for the McCann’s then all parents who use this service should be called to question along with the McCann’s and MW.

Rosiepops said...

Calcite

Oh alright I will try to be more forthright in future and stop holding back LOL

I decided I am no longer going to pull my punches, I think this has gone on far too long and my thoughts and prayers are with Madeleine, Kate and Gerry and her family, I just hope and pray as hard as I can that their suffering is ended soon.

I also am thinking about the other missing children and their families and I have a nasty feeling that these are linked, yet no one seems to be doing a thing about it all, they are all running about like headless chickens.

What I think should happen and what I would like to see is the PJ, the Spanish police and the British police meet and thrash this thing out and see what they can come up with and then let the citizens of each country know *exactly* what is going on.

See if they can get to the bottom of this, even if it means digging up old cases in Portugal that some in Portugal would prefer to stay buried.

All this silence and secrecy has only served to impede and hamper and the ones that are suffering are innocent children and enough is enough.

Christabel said...

Hi Rosie Mandz ans Sass,

sister out and mouth working well, better than her knees anyway.
I won't tell her you asked lol !

calcite51 said...

Mandz - of course - I agree completely with you. Some people cannot see further than the McCanns. They are guilty untill proven innocent (and please let that happen soon).

Rosiepops said...

Oh Sassy what a nuisance!

Wanted to tell you that we may have caught your wind as we have just been issued with a severe weather warning for next Sunday/Monday, thing is they seem to have not noticed the severe weather they did not inform us about last week!

This wind is like the antis it eventually blows itself out!

melbel said...

I think that Joncar said, that in his view,the family should take the chance of ignoring the secrecy laws and talk openly.
After all, in view of the PJ blabbing right, left and centre, what could they have done to them.?
There needs to be an enquiry, at European level into what has happened.
Some of the countries, including Portugal,have not had democracies for long.

Rosiepops said...

Christabel,

Please tell that her mouth and knees are now famous on the world weird web lol

melbel said...

meant to say Hi Christabel.
Do not worry if I do not keep up with the flow of the debate.!
I can only get better.
Off to eat now,but hope to return later X

Christabel said...

I will Rosie.
Will email and tell her then she can rest it lol !
Earache gone now

Rosiepops said...

Mandz

I am still having trouble believing that MW are so bad!

Also the McCann's elected to do their own service, they actually provided more than MW, they went in and checked the children.

And you are right if the McCann's are prosecuted for neglect on leaving their children then all those that have ever left their children like this while on holiday are having a barbie in the garden, should also be prosecuted!

calcite51 said...

There has been a lot I don't understand in this case. How the PJ's could leak information to the press. How a portuguese reporter can write a book with what some said was inside information.

And yet when the McCanns discuss going on Oprah or being interviewed by Barbara Walters, people cried out that it was unfair.

I admire the McCanns because they have been very dignified with the mud-throwing that has gone on.

Christabel said...

Hi Melbel,
no probs if Rosie kept quiet a bit we may get a word in lol !

Ouch Rosie don't hit me !

Christabel said...

Rosie

If MW did listening service at doors, I wonder how many of them actually went and listened ??
That Whisteblower made them look like fools didn't she ?

Rosiepops said...

Melbel

Enjoy your meal, look forward to seeing you later xxx

Wanted to say that when I first started on the PC I was so slow on the keyboard and one finger typing too, and now I am a lot better and a lot faster and can even take my eyes off of the keyboard sometimes! you can do it, you'll see, you will get better, try and use more fingers, you will find it a lot easier to do this, even if you have to keep looking at the keyboard. xxx

calcite51 said...

It's also odd that 3 of the Tapas Nine will be requestioned, but it isn't clear if Kate and Gerry will be re-interviewed.

Now, if you think that Kate refused to answer 40 or however many questions, she supposedly refused to answer - she would be the first one to be re-interviewed.

Rosiepops said...

Christabel,

Shut up you nutter, you know I have been vaccinated with a gramophone needle lol

SassyP said...

That's right Rosie, no more beating about the bush - we have all become tired of your shy retiring posts :-)

Christabel, if you need a get well soon present for your sister, I've got a great idea it's two words h----- b---

Mandz - the McCanns were actually going into the room - they were doing more than the baby listening service!

Christabel said...

Rosie, thats not nice !

did it hurt much ?
answer meeeeeeeee

Christabel said...

Sass,
I have only just stop thinking of them.
If I give her them she will have 2 words for me and I know the second one will be off lol !

Mandz said...

I am still having trouble believing that MW are so bad!

********************************

Hi Rosie!

I don't think MW service should be offered Rosie it is unsafe and encourages parents to leave children alone and too many weirdo’s will be onto this hence one has and has taken Maddie.

SassyP said...

Christabel,

My mum's would have been something along the lines of "botheration"!

SassyP said...

By the way did you see the Mirror? They wrote that Metodo3's contract is going to be renewed.

Rosiepops said...

Calcite,

You are forgetting that it is OK for the PJ and the Portuguese posters to do and say what they like, it is OK for the PJ to break their secrecy laws and to have stopped looking for Madeleine, however, it is not OK for the McCann's to defend themselves, or to try and raise money to pay agencies to look for Madeleine.

After all who are these McCann's to do this? it is only their daughter that has been abducted, how dare they complain that no one is looking for Madeleine and how dare they employ others to do the PJ job?

Meanwhile it is perfectly acceptable in Portugal for scum authors and odious Portuguese journalist authors to write what they like and making up anything they like and to make money out of Madeleine's abduction, while the McCann's remain gagged!

This is otherwise known as justice Portuguese style!

Mandz said...

Mandz - the McCanns were actually going into the room - they were doing more than the baby listening service!
****************************

Hi Sassy!

I know they were doing that bit more and I don't see why people are calling on them to be charged with neglect..?

Christabel said...

Sass,
my sisters wouldn't more like "flip or pork" !
Your mom must be calm lol !

Mandz said...

Going off girls/boys!

Back later....!

Rosiepops said...

Christabel,

Nah I am a tough cookie. I am going to get a tattoo reading

Viv is a twit and notdoc is not a doc (in a heart of course)

Mandz said...

By the way did you see the Mirror? They wrote that Metodo3's contract is going to be renewed.

Sassy!

Interesting if true..? Perhaps they are onto someting..? I hope so.

Rosiepops said...

Mandz

Where are you going? Are you going because I am not going to be shy and retiring anymore? ;-)

SassyP said...

Mandz

I think one of the problems is that many don't believe that the McCanns were checking up that regularly on their children. I don't know how they would know how often the McCanns checked up on them, but you know what some people are like!

calcite51 said...

Signing off for now - will talk to you all later. Take care.

Rosiepops said...

calcite, see you later hurry back xxx

Christabel said...

Rosie.

Where you getting that reading.
I keep having tattoo's but they keep coming off, must not be wetting the paper enough LOL !

SassyP said...

See Rosie - the new you has frightened off Mandz!

Christabel - I can guarantee my mum's words would not be "botheration"!!!

Mandz - bye, see you later. Seeing as only the Mirror is reporting that at the moment, it's a little difficult to tell how true the story is!

Mandz said...

Rosie!!

Going out for a run..! Back later and you are being a tad shy and qt today!

See ya soon...

SassyP said...

See you Calcite!

Christabel said...

Sass,
I agree, have you noticed nobody has said they were out for just over an hour, and not the 3 or 4 hours some would have us believe.

Rosiepops said...

Sassy now you know that is not fair Alsabelia knows everything about everything and what she doesn't know she makes up.

Like those shutters, she said were all broken and crumbling away and now we know that they are not!
Of course we knew this anyway from the close up pictures and videos of said shutters.

Hi Alsabelia (waves)
now how did you think you could get away with a porkies like that?

"Shame On You" Pub Landlord. (Not Hugo Beaty's though!)

Christabel said...

Mahgz,
are you mental ?
I wish I could run !!

Rosiepops said...

Mandz

Have a good run, let them endorphins rip see you later x

Christabel said...

Sorry Mandz, for the mahgz
an I only have a packet of fruit gums lol !

SassyP said...

Mandz

Plead insanity and stay here!

Rosiepops said...

Christabel

Who is Maghz? (Or are you doing and Alsabelia and making things up?)

SassyP said...

Hiya Clawdia sweety

Just writing something so that your "friends" have something to do - we are still flying the Viseu flag I notice.

Christabel said...

Sorry Rosie
to many EEEEEEEEEE's.
I'm fine now thank you !

Rosiepops said...

Sassy

stop upsetting Clawdia's pussy!

Rosiepops said...

Re that Viseu Flag that keeps waving here;

Like a fire
Don't need water
Like a jury
Needs a liar
Like a riot
Don't need order
Like a madman
Needs a martyr

We don't need them

Cast off the crutch that kills the pain
The Red Flag waving never meant the same
The kids of tomorrow don't need today
When they live in the sins of yesterday

Billy Talent

Rosiepops said...

Anonymous said...

Asabela and Claudia, Rosiepops is trashing Portugal on her site.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

ActuallY I am not trashing Portugal, I am telling the truth and I am talking more abpout the PJ than Portugal.

Now Anon, if you are going to run telling tales then please get it right. Thanks sweetie xxx

Rosiepops said...

Kisses and waves and (((hugs))) to Alsabelia's site xxx

Christabel said...

Heard a new song today.

Is this the way to Amarela
sung by
The boys in blue.

SassyP said...

Rosie

Which stupid anonymous came up with that? Honestly, some people should really get a life!

I'm glad we don't have inane people like that here!

Rosiepops said...

ooh Aslabelia rosiepops is trashing Portugal ooo boo hooo

Anon gone

poor poor Anon

Rosiepops said...

Christabel and Sassy

Christabel said...
Heard a new song today.

Is this the way to Amarela
sung by
The boys in blue.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Are you sure this was sung by The Boys In Blue? i thought that is was sung by odd solicitor trying to prosecute the McCann's

TONY BENNETT!

Christabel said...

No No No Rosie,
he sang, these boots are made for walking or was that PJ Proby lol !

Rosiepops said...

(Is This The Way To) Amarallo


Sha la la la la la


When the day is dawning,
On a Portuguese Court House Morning
How I long to be there
To see old Gonc whos waiting for his sentence there
Every lonely city
Where he takes his 3 hour lunches
Aint as half as pretty,
As where old Gonc's at

[Chorus]
Is this the way to Amarallo?
Every night Tubby's been hugging his pillow
Dreaming dreams of Amarallo
And the big house which waits for him
Show him the way to Amarallo
He's been weeping like a willow
Crying over Amarallo
And the big house who waits for him

Sha la la la la la la [X3]
And the big house which waits for him

[Chorus]
Theres a courthouse bell ringing
hear the song of joy that its singing
For the Gonc who is sighing
And the warden whos coming to see him
Just beyond the highway
Theres an open plane and it keeps me going
Through the wind and rain

[Chorus]
Is this the way to Amarallo?
Every night Tubby's been hugging his pillow
Dreaming dreams of Amarallo
And the big house which waits for him
Show him the way to Amarallo
He's been weeping like a willow
Crying over Amarallo
And the big house who waits for him

Sha la la la la la la [X3]
And the big house that waits for him

Rosiepops said...

Now I am trying to learn Portuguese, so help me out here!

Em quantas horas vai ser voltar a PJ de almoço

Rosiepops said...

Sorry that reads:

In how many hours will the PJ be back from lunch?

SassyP said...

aproximadamente metade um do dia

Christabel said...

Hey Sass,
I had one of those but the wheels dropped off lol.

SassyP said...

You and Rosie have seriously lost the plot this evening!!! ROFLMAO

Tinkerbell43 said...

Evening All, how we all doing ?.

Christabel said...

Sass,
nobody pressed the report comment did they ?

Ban me and I'll come back with another ID lol !

SassyP said...

Hiya Tinkz

Rosie is having a sing-song and has decided that she is no longer going to be shy and retiring. Apart from that not much!!!

Christabel said...

Hello Tinkerbel,
how are you ?

SassyP said...

Who you going to come back as? Christaball? You watch your step young lady!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Not Rosie, our little shrinking violet ? What has she been singing "Why are we waiting"

SassyP said...

Tinkz

Yup! Our little shrinking violet is blossoming!

SassyP said...

A bit more on topic - why do you think the McCanns decided to renew Metodo's contract?

Christabel said...

SassyP said...
A bit more on topic - why do you think the McCanns decided to renew Metodo's contract?

06 March 2008 20:04

Sass,
to p**s Portuguese posters off.
Sorry last one just couldn't resist.

SassyP said...

Christabel

That is a very valid answer! I reckon you may be right! I bet it has worked, too!

Mandz said...

Rosie...
Em quantas horas vai ser voltar a PJ de almoço


Help me my name is detective ****** and I cannot fit into my chinos...

JANEGT said...

hey guys I'll have what you're having... a large one......

glad the old gang are back HELLO 2 YOU MUM21 NICE YOU ARE HERE TODAY..... and all of you too many to mention.

Get the PJ here there or anywhere just get this situation in forward not backward gear. It's ridiculous!! as yes, I agree, their human rights to me have been trashed.

The MW complex clearly have legal issues re nannies, qualifications, reliability of the 'door listening' which evidetiallymeans they thought that was 'enough' so any lawyers for McCanns and tapas 7 will argue if that was on offer, that must have been regarded as enough.

As to nannies and qulifications, a nanny there left a child to have a meal. That was published ages ago. And that was the higher service...."""??? Not at all reliable. clearly the McCanns will build on this and the programme Whilstleblower last night on BBC at 8pm. so much so the reporter returned to MW to see if things had improved 'in light of the M McCann case'. and proveably it had not. This in itself is alegal back up in support of the McCanns and party.

I am sick to death of 'neglect' aimed at McCs only. There were another 3 couples in same situation, no their child'ren were not abducted, but the neglect was EQUAL NO MORE NO LESS so you cannot justify hanging the McCanns for what not only their party, but thousands and thousands of tourists did in all MW and other resorts all over Europe.

I do NOT CONDONE this before you jump on my head...again. I do not. I believe them to be selfish and self seeking here and would never have done it myself. It does not in itself constitute a major crime, nor does it mean they did anything else.....not at all. this is stupid!!

For 6 months in my view there has been a blackout, and it is more than time this was moved on.

JANE

Mandz said...

Em quantas horas vai ser voltar a PJ de almoço

I haven’t got a CLUE...

Tinkerbell43 said...

Apart from the rash statements M3 made in the beginning, Clarence has always said they were happy with the way the investigation was going. Obviously proof of that is in renewing the contract.

I think M3 have maintained they know the group responsible, how far into penetrating it they are I dont know. Other than that I dont know what the alternative could be, they need someone out there looking following up leads. Would you bring a new agency in now this far down the road, I dont know.

JANEGT said...

FORGOT. LISTEN YOU MOB, I AM THE KARAOKE QUEEN ON THIS BLOG. YOU CAN'T SING WITHOUT ME TOO. ( OR IS THAT CROAKY QUEEN? )YEP PROBABLY. ANYWAY, WHAT'S HAPPENING TONIGHT WITH SINGING ??

NEVER HEARD OF A KARAOKE BLOG.

no not shouting just singing at high volume.....


Liked the is this the way to amarelo....ha ha ha


Nice no ''space invaders'' on tonight, yet, in print anyway......
back to the old blog.......comfort zone.

;o) ;o) ;o)

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hiya Jane,

I think Ofted came out very badly in the Whistleblower programme. I would imagine heads have rolled this morning. When are people going to wake up, you cannot pay lip service to procedures and guidelines where children are concerned.

Dobywallah said...

Hello ladies, don't know what to say at the moment so I'll tell you all a joke, just hope you haven't all heard it before....
Man driving down Motorway 50 mph and sees a chicken running alongside.Amazed increases his speed to 60 mph, looks out the window and the bird is still keeping up with him. Increases speed to 70 MPH and chicken runs alongside and then passes him and turns off at the next exit. Driver decides to follow to see where its going and further down the road the chicken turns into a farm yard. The driver stops and asks a farmer, "excuse me, I've just followed a chicken down the motorway and it's turned into your yard, is it one of yours by any chance?" to which the farmer says yes it was one of his! Curious the driver asks, "So what do these chickens taste like?" and the farmer replied..... "I don't know, I've never caught one yet!" Go on, laugh!

Christabel said...

hahahahahaha. Doby daft.

Sorry doby
don't know whats got into me tonight.
Must be because I have run out of Actimel lol.

Mandz said...

Sha la la la la la....

Rosie I can't stop singing that song...

JANEGT said...

doby get off the stage that was bl**dy awful......worse than. Oh dear. don't give up the day job.

;o(((((

Yes, MW mut have had a few 'executions' and 'staff cropping' before programme aired, as they announced one nursery was already shut. You are right, you cannot turn a blind eye when children are involved, Something had to give, and it just has. Another silver lining in this ugly big black contrived cloud. Dreadful.

SeaWitch said...

Evening, girls,

KEEP THE NOISE DOWN, WILLYA?

Wassamatter? Is someone injured? What’s all the wailing and shrieking about?

It’s OK, I am a trained first-aider, please show me to the casualty and I will do my best to help.

Call an ambulance!!

Christabel said...

Seawitch,
To late for most of us I'm afraid.
Years to late lol !

Tinkerbell43 said...

So does anyone know if we are any closer to the Tapas 1-7 being reinterviewed ?

JANEGT said...

seriously have Imissed something here tonight? This is so off the wall I had to check I was on the right blog. It isn't now you tube is it? (no in this instance you tube is not Amaral....)

Loved the PJ proby one. ha ha ha forgot all about him and his pony tail and ribbon.....was it him or Tom Jones who burst his trousers on live tv????

I cannot BELIEVE M3 are now contracted for further duties, so what has happened to Cogan? In or Out of it???? He is or was suing Express was it settled out of court after all? If so, is he or is he not in the equation now?

What happened to the FBI and that photo of 3 men outside 5A that night they were zoning in on the photo? The...zilch like so so so many other stories. Start, no middle and no end at all. Just like the leads not followed up, so so many of these could have been THE ONE. The complacency of the PJ is amazing.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hiya Mandz,

Lol, me too, I cant get by "When the day is dawning"

JANEGT said...

seawitch my chum, I want a large one of whatever they've been on......

It'll be the hokey cokey next. You put the PJ in, you put the PJ out, in out in out shakem all about You sack the useless plonker then you start again,
that's what it's all about.#



H EEEEE YYYYYYYY


OH HOS.,S.AJKAGSLKJ IAGAG L A GOIAG IOGA

Mandz said...

hahahhahahahh Doby!!!

Nice to see ya & hope all well!

Dobywallah said...

Well now, so if you didn't find the Chicken story intersting how about this bit of info....
have been reading Alroys comments on the DX HYS about the eventual introduction of ID cards. quite interesting!

Christabel said...

Hi Tinks and Jane,

Tinks if the British police are doing the questioning I would say yes, if we are waiting for PJ NO WAY.

Jane I am wondering if M3 are as bad as they have been made out to be by you know who !
Glad you liked my PJ Proby, he was lovely !

JANEGT said...

HA HA HA HA HA H HA

IS THIS MASS hys teria??????

ha ha ha

doby

now that's a joke

HYS TERIA???? GET IT???


HA HA HA HA HA

OFF FOR MY WINE. AND PILLS AND MY NURSE NOW.

HA
;O))))))

JANEGT said...

CHRISTABEL

THE PJ COULDN'T PROBE THEIR OWN NOSES.....

WHO WAS IT SPLIT HIS TROUSERS ON STAGE, PJ PROBY OR TOM JONES?????

CAN WE ENTER EUROVISION BLOGGAVISION SONG CONTEST NOW PLEASE????

;O)

Mandz said...

sha la la Tinks nice to see you...!!

Christabel said...

Must have been Tom Jones Jane, I never liked him so would have missed it lol !

I have booked us in for X factor as a groupeeeeeee lol !

SeaWitch said...

Whilst we're telling jokes, Eddie and Keela might like this one:-

A woman saw an ad in the local newspaper which read: "Purebred Police Dog £25."

Thinking this to be a great bargain, she called and ordered the dog to be delivered.

The next day a van arrived at her home and delivered the mangiest-looking mongrel she had ever seen.
In a rage, she telephoned the man who had placed the ad, "How dare you call that mangy-mutt a purebred police dog?"

"Don't let his looks deceive you, madam," the man replied, "He's in the Secret Service."

Mandz said...

sha la la Doby...what do you think about the IDs...?

Mandz said...

hahaha seawitch I like that one!!!!!

Christabel said...

Mandz,
next line
When the day is dawning ! sha la la la PO.

JANEGT said...

NAWW CHRISTABEL i DON'T LIKE SIMON SCOWELL......


PREFER MY TEL......

\mAN DRESSED IN GREEN TOP TO TOE, PLUS LEPRECHAUN'S HAT DESPERATE FOR A WEE AND A PINT, DRIVES INTO NEAREST PUB. nOONE TALKS TO HIM, hE DOES THE NECESSARY, THEN ORDERS A PINT AT THE BAR. aRE YOU NEW HERE@ SAYS THE MANAGER. NO I LIVE HERE, I COME FAIRLY REGULARLY. OH . IGNORES HIM. LOTS OF LOCALS IN EATING, DRINKING CHATTING, STILL IGNORING THE MAN IN GREEN.

AT CLOSING OLD DRUNK COMES UP AND SAYS WHO THE HELL ARE YOU? THE GREEN MAN DOES NOT REPLY IN A HUFF. i said who the hell are you? SAID THE OLD MAN AGAIN. IGNORES HIM AGAIN. THIS GOES ON FOR 15 MINUTES.

EVENTUALLY THE OLD MAN IS FED UP AND POURS HIS PINT OF GUINNESS OVER HIS HEAD. THERE. SEE. MADMAN. THAT'S WHAT I THINK OF YOU.....

HEY OLD MAN SAYS THE MAN IN GREEN, I'M NOT MAD, YOU ARE THE ONE TALKING TO A LEPRECHAUN.


;O)))

bit like on here tonight. now post that on other blogs and see what happens. ha ha ha that'll shut them all down.

Mandz said...

Christabel....next bit..

On a Portuguese Court House Morning
How I long to be there...

SeaWitch said...

Well, how about this one?

Returning home from work, a woman was shocked to find her house had been ransacked and burgled. She telephoned the police at once and reported the crime. The police dispatcher broadcast the call and a dog unit patrolling nearby was the first to respond.

As the dog handler approached the house with his dog on a leash, the woman ran out on the porch, shuddered at the sight of the officer and his dog, then sat down on the steps.

Putting her face in her hands, she moaned: "I come home to find all my possessions stolen. I call the police for help, and what do they do? They send me a BLIND policeman!"

Mandz said...

Good one Jane!!!!!

Christabel said...

Mandz,

Cos the cell I want is nice and square.

Mandz said...

Christabel..

But promise to keep me from the stairs….

Mandz said...

Seawitch!!
Very good..!!!!

Christabel said...

Mandz,

Its him that needs to worry about the stairs.
Oh I hope they put him with some he has stitched up.

JANEGT said...

sassyp

Is that right - are you no longer banned from the Daily Express?????

wonder when they will try another 'experiment' and suddenly put a story up, a forum, then pull it only hours later....

why?

purpose?

for whom?

no this was silly and measuring something, but what or who????


Is John Hogan still working alongside M3 or not??? I heard there was an 'out of court' settlement re DE and Hogan....is that right

;o(((((

Rosiepops said...

Mandz

Rosie...
Em quantas horas vai ser voltar a PJ de almoço


Help me my name is detective ****** and I cannot fit into my chinos..

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Queridos Tubby meu conselho é ir na dieta Atkins e em breve o seu chinos irá fazer-se ao longo do seu percurso barriga.

Dearest Tubby my advice is to go on the Atkins diet and soon your chinos will do up over your pot belly.

Mas não mais 3 horas almoços você naughty detetive.

(But no more 3 hour lunches you naughty detective.)

JANEGT said...

are we getting there now? are we earning our name of twilight zone now??????


la la la la la la la la la

I'll name that song in 2.....

helenm said...

Hi all, see youv'e been on the pop again!!!lol

Beenhaving problems with phone since we got back, shut the computer down today and it is still not working.(phone, i.e., not the computer obviously otherwise I wouldn't be on here now would I?) Would I?

Rosiepops keep up with the Portuguese lessons, we could do a Claudia and Alsabella LOL!! pass secret messages like!!

Calcite51 re

calcite51 said...
It's also odd that 3 of the Tapas Nine will be requestioned, but it isn't clear if Kate and Gerry will be re-interviewed.

Now, if you think that Kate refused to answer 40 or however many questions, she supposedly refused to answer - she would be the first one to be re-interviewed.

06 March 2008 18:17

I think it may be that the Mccann's will only be reinterviewed if any further 'evidence' is forthcoming after interviews with the Tapas 3/7, IMO. If that is the case then it may also be that thePJ will have to return to Portugal and put this 'evidence' to the public prosecutor. The Mccann's could still be in for a very long haul.
If Kate Mccann did not answer some questions as we have been led to believe, then that was her right, and would not IMO be justification for re-interview.

Dobywallah said...

Sorry ladies but I'm off to watch tv for a little while before bed time, enjoy 'Question time', a load of crap really but I like to hear some of the nutters opinions. But before I go let me tell you about a man who takes a Pig and a Dog into his Local. The landlord tells him to take them out to which the man says "OK, but before I go just watch this and snapping his fingers at the Dog it gets up on its hind legs and does a fantastic tap dance routine. The Landlord is absolutely amazed and asks "So what does the Pig do?" and the man clicks his fingers at the Pig and it too stands on its hind legs and bursts into song with the most fantastic suprano voice. The whole Pub has now come to a complete stanstill, and spellbound the Landlord says "that's remarkable, absolutely remarkable, how long did it take you to teach them?" and the animals owner said "Well to be honest its a bit of a trick really, you see the Pig doesn't actually sing,its the Dog that's also a ventriloquist! I know.. I know, don't give up my day job!
Goodnight Ladies. X

Christabel said...

Jane,
I know, I know.

Teletubbies ?

JANEGT said...

why is there a van at my door with stretcher and arm and leg restraints?

;o)

Tinkerbell43 said...

Jane, because Seawitch called them!

Christabel said...

They bought your supper Jane

JANEGT said...

I prefer this flip side of the viscious abuse coin very very very much.....

doby if you are looking for 'nutters' on question time, they are aateurs copared to all of us here. evidently. I watch it and try to key in too. also evidently. h ha h haooooo...


don't give up the day job........

Mandz said...

I think this is the “team”….Guess who I think Noo Noo is Rosie….

Teletubbies

Tinky Winky

Dipsy

Laa-Laa

Po

Noo-Noo
No gender specified. Noo-Noo seems to be the Teletubbies housekeeper or cleaner.

Mandz said...

Vey good Doby and don;t give up the day job!! See you later x

helenm said...

Daily mail running this, don't know whether you have seen it

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=527990&in_page_id=1770

Apparently British police have been ro Portugal to liaise re forthcoming interviews.

SeaWitch said...

Dobywallah,

Hahahaha! Rosie and Jane out-sung by a dog and a ventriloquist's pig!!!

And Tinkerbell wonders why I called the ambulance..........!

Priceless! ;-) ;-P

dianeh said...

Hi To you all.

Hope you are all well.

I see that there have been some big changes. Rosie is no longer the shy retiring type, too scared to give her opinion. Very good sumary post earlier on. Well done.

And then a few are trying out for the local stand up comedy hour. Did I pick up that the jokes are all dog related?

Glad to be here, as usual.

JANEGT said...

is it in the water tonight?

It goes from the vitriol, aggressive, weird, sublime to the ridiculous..

where are we now?

These men in white coats and van have gone .... it was dominoes pizza. wrong door.

Mandz said...

Helen very good points! Kate would be the first to be interviewed if she did not answer the questions.

IMO I think it's to do with the language barrier from their first statements.. and that is perhaps why our police are doing this but nothing else.

JANEGT said...

I vote noo noo is Nanda...???

Mandz said...

Hi Dianeh!

Nice to see you!!

dianeh said...

On Kate and the unanswered questions.

Not only do we not know what they are but there is another possibility. She is unable to answer them because she doesnt know the answer. I am no expert on this but I have read that if you dont know the answer, the exact answer then you should refuse to answer. Trying to help by surmising (that spelling doesnt look right) or giving an opinion will not help the police or yourself. So it is possible Kate was asked questions she is simply unable to answer, not because she is hiding things but because she doesnt know. It was a traumatic time for her and she may not remember things, not took them in, and so cant answer the questions fully.

Mandz said...

Jane...

I think Alsa....

JANEGT said...

no no got noo noo not right...

if it's cleaning, then it's GM......right>????

la la

tinky winky dipsy wispy round the bend. there are at least 10 contenders for each of them.

let's not go there.

Have I won with my Bloggovision song yet? who do I pay ??? Have I won? who do I pay??

Seawitch thanks for the pizza chicken and sweetcorn. but in your case, it was sourcorn.


;o))))))))

Mandz said...

Dianeh

Of course they could have been asking Kate "what happened to Maddie" however she does not know..hence could not answer.

helenm said...

Jane, I'm going to be shot for this but....

must be Ginam, with all those household tips!!

Christabel said...

Mandz,

Noonoo is definitely Sass, she obsessed with hoover bags.

helenm said...

Jane, honest I was still typing when you posted that.... what do they say about great minds?lol

Tinkerbell43 said...

I just cannot believe that after 10months, the PJ have still not got a clear picture of the timelines that night. If its so crucial why has it not been done before for christsakes. We are 8 weeks off of it being a year!!. When does the 3 month extension they got expire, is it April ?

helenm said...

Tinkerbell think the date is around the 14th April

Mandz said...

Noonoo is definitely Sass, she obsessed with hoover bags.

Haha forgot about that!!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Thanks Helen. Is this when K & G can request to see the alleged evidence against them ?

Rosiepops said...

Hi Diane

Exactly!

I do not understand how anyone knows what Kate has been asked and has answered anyway.

Also if the PJ want to question Kate and Gerry again they have to have sufficient evidence to do so and as they have not even applied for permission to question them we have to surmise that they haven't got the evidence.

Why? Because they have no evidence why? Because there is no evidence, why? Because the McCann's are innocent!

When is all this persceution of the McCann's going to stop?

Mandz said...

Tinks

You are right. They should have cleared this up in Portugal when all friends were there. Why allow them all to leave if they needed to ask further questions that are of great importance.

They are trying to fool us all and keep this going because they are in a rut..

Maddie has been let down and I honestly do not know how these people sleep at night...

Good night all.......

Christabel said...

Tinks,
They have got to find it first, empty the ashtrays, as you do !
Get the blood off the size 10s, as you do !
Then find the post it notes with all the statements on.
Shouldn't take long !

dianeh said...

Hi Mandz

Actually I was thinking about even less confronting questions such as what time did Jane Tanner get up from the table? David Payne? How long were they gone? etc, etc.

If you dont know exactly, then you cannot make it up, just answer I dont know or refuse to answer. After all, if you are not sure of times and you make one up, then there will be discrepancies. And a lot is being made about the times etc. Even things such as was the bedroom door open or closed, where was cuddle cat when you went into the bedroom.

JANEGT said...

yes, to go off topic which was off topic re hoove bags which we seem to revert to all the time,

yes,

true. the simple answer is if innocent being challenged on sceanrios you know absolutely nothing about at all, you can only not answer or deny. No alternative. I am certain her lawyer who was with her during all this would have advised her. this is an unfair criticism. If innocent you HAVE NO ANSWERS TO ACCUSATIONS THAT ARE UNPROVEN AND UNFOUNDED. How ghastly to live with that for 10 months with no progress that we have seen. employing PR's was an option but their choice I feel was misguided. what is Justine McGuineess doing now as was she not involved with the fund? After Esther McVey resigned who took her place, if anyone? We are not getting any updated info just speculation and rumour. time for this to end.

Get this moving. Pj here or there or anywhere I do not care. Just get it on to the next level.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Rosie, I agree. If Luis Vereo ruled back in September there was insufficient evidence to warrant further interrogations, what has changed since ? Nothing as far as I can see. The DNA results are all now in as far as I know, they remain inconclusive. So whats left ?

It makes Ribeiro's statement more significant, I firmly believe this was him beginning to distance himself from the decision to make them Arguido's in the first place.

helenm said...

Tinkerbell, honest truth is I just don't know. I think there is a possibility that their arguido status can be extended. I remember one of the Portuguese posters mentioning September, but in respect of what I am not sure.

I am in agreement with Rosie, I think that these re-interviews are simply to tie matters up, get things straight, maybe hope that someone confesses!!, before they submit their final report to the prosecutors office.

If the Pj do decide to 'shelve' this case I hope that they have the decency to absolve the Mccann's and relieve them of their arguido status. This will at least allow them to get on with finding Madeleine.

dianeh said...

Hi Rosie

I agree, there is no evidence because there is none to find. At least for the the ridiculous theory that K & G accidentally killed her and disposed of the body.

Very hard to get forensic evidence about the abductor, particularly if wore gloves. If it were just an opportunistic abduction then what are the odds the abductor was carrying gloves. But a planned abduction would go to great lengths to make sure no evidence is left.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Night Mandz - sleep well xx

Rosiepops said...

Tinks

you are right! How the heck has it take the PJ so long to get around to asking about time lines?

If they are so important as they say and it takes them 10 months to get around to re interviewing, goodness knows how long it will take them to get around to asking less important questions, this is totally insane.

I wonder what real detectives make of this investigation?

dianeh said...

Jane

I would not have liked to face the press without help. I too would have hired professional help. If there were no smears and no arguido status, then it is doubtful that the use of a pr specialist would have been condemned, as he would have been releasing info on Madeleine only, not denying accusations all the time.

Helen, Tinks

Agree fully.

dianeh said...

Rosie/Tinks

The real problem with a ten month delay is that people are only human and as time fades, so to do memories.

The closer to the event, the more likely that they will remember it correctly. But I guess this was so traumatic that it will be haunting them and sticking with them.

helenm said...

Night Mandz,

Diane, I would think that the abduction of Madeleine was planned.Imo an opportunistic abductor would be one that saw a child walking along the street, wandered away from his/her mum and decided there and then to ttake that child.

JANEGT said...

no they won't do it. the arguido status of Murat has to be lifted too then does i? I do not know why, they have these archaic secrecy laws gagging everyone, so we do not know what they would say, we do not know what the PJ or other investigators have, it is silly.

I feel to push for the argiodo status of McCanns to be lfted, we will automaticlly ask for Murat's too and I for one, do not wan that. Not at all. Remember there was a report of Dna of M foundin his house. Not wanting to turn into 2345, but it was reported. That in itself needs thorough investigation but as he worked for PJ as interpreter, that will not i my view be forthcoming. like anything else.....they are not forthcoming at all with anything so we do not know what they 'think' they have......or what they have 'professed' they hae which imno is a lot more than they have. Rest assured if they had dna, etc etc and 'proof' K and G and twins would not be here togethe now. They undoubtedly would have arrested Kate and Gerry. Evidence - is guilt suspect = arrest. None of this happened. Why not??????

I still havethe old A annoying mantra

innocent until proven guilty in court of law.

We just do not have the information. What worries me so much is do the PJ? FBI? M3? and the ex met officer who has just apparently had pay out from DE???? No just does ot add up.

Till I see it - no, benefit of doubt at least.innocent clearly unless proven otherwise which PJ did not manage, so what's new between them leaving PdL and now??? nothing. What of the car? the shutters? the status of Milinka, Murat and Walczuch? The MW manager the double of Murat and also so was Luis Antonio.... MW's husband estranged....allegedly his double too, there were Murat plus THREE lookalikes. What of all the statements made re sightings and not followed up at all. A large number of them. Why not????

this is not right. It stinks.

Christabel said...

If this has happened before, which I suspect it has they would have been well prepared.
The PJ never thought the McCanns would stand up to them like they have.
This has really rattled their cage.

Why should the British police have to travel to Portugal to try and repair their mess, due to the incompetence of the PJ.

Rosiepops said...

I have a feeling that this case is already on the shelf and this effort is a last effort to say to the world, we tried.

I have been thinking this since Alberto Costas said that the PJ had better things to do than to search for Madeleine! (Although he did say "with the respect that this deserves")

I would like to put all the questions we would like the PJ to answer down and send them to them and ask them what their answers are?

You see apart from good old Gonc, I do not think that any PJ with a bit of decency and common sense actually believe the McCann's hurt Madeleine.

My question is why? "Why have you continued to pursue this when deep down inside you know these parents are innocent?"

Just what is going on?

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