Wednesday, 26 March 2008

Every child matters

An article from a couple of weeks ago (http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/leading-articles/leading-article-every-child-matters-793364.html) Not out of date, however!

Sunday, 9 March 2008

Ours is a Government that wants us to know how much it cares about children. For 10 years, we had higher child benefit, the end of child poverty, Sure Start, Early Years and free fruit. When Gordon Brown became Prime Minister nine months ago, the rhetorical effort was redoubled. Mr Brown, who has been known to declare that "children are 40 per cent of the population but 100 per cent of our future", even renamed the Department for Education the Department for Children.

Indeed, so all-encompassing has Labour's concern seemed that the charge of nanny-statism is often made. Our children seem to be tracked, tested and monitored to an unprecedented degree. And yet, for all these professions of concern, and for all this machinery of surveillance, the Government seems to be failing in its duty to the most vulnerable children – and in particular to the one group of children for whom it has the most direct responsibility, namely children in the care of the state. As we report today, local councils and the police are disorganised and confused in their response to the 900 children that go missing from residential care every year, 160 of whom are still missing at the end of the year.

This has long been a neglected corner of the welfare state, with some of the worst excesses of the past only now being excavated – literally so in Jersey, a separate jurisdiction but culturally part of the same British society. Matters are, we hope, not so bad now, but our investigation suggests that there is still much to do.

Nor is this the only example of the state failing in its duty of care for children in neglected and unlit institutions. The Independent on Sunday reported in December on the shocking level of violence inflicted on children in custody. The use of painful "restraint" in young offender institutions and secure training centres has been condemned by Professor Sir Al Aynsley-Green, the Children's Commissioner for England.

Of course, we do not pretend that nothing worthwhile has been achieved by this Government. Children generally are better off. This newspaper's concerns about the stresses of modern childhood, the fracturing of family life and the demonisation of some youngsters have been expressed against a background of rising hope and expectations.

We accept, too, that Alan Johnson, while he was Secretary of State for Education, did a great deal to raise the status of children in care as an issue across government. As an orphan himself, who owed his chances in life to the enlightened attitude of social services in allowing his teenage sister to look after him when his mother died, he has a personal stake in the subject.

Unfortunately, once again, words seem at least as important as actions; in this case, the replacement of one euphemism that had acquired negative connotations, "children in care", with another that means the same, "looked-after children". In time, unless the facts on the ground change, the new phrase will acquire the same unwanted associations as the old.

We also acknowledge that policy in this area has been increasingly complicated in recent years by, among other things, the increase in unaccompanied children seeking asylum. They are sometimes brought to this country by people traffickers, taken into care, and then disappear.
Our criticism of the Government on this issue is symbolised by the national child database, ContactPoint, a register of all the children in the country that is supposed to become operational later this year. This arose out of a Green Paper in 2003 called Every Child Matters, which sought to overhaul children's services after the death of Victoria ClimbiĆ©. There is a problem with this approach that no minister has been brave enough to confront, which is that every child does not matter – to the Government – as much as every other. There are some groups of children on whom the public authorities need to devote more attention than others. The promise of ContactPoint, of a comprehensive safety net of co-ordinated agencies through which no child can fall, cannot be realised for the entire child population of Britain. But it is a promise that could be kept for specific groups that are known to be at risk: looked-after children, children in custody, the children of asylum-seekers and children who may be being taken out of the country for forced marriages.

It is only by focusing on the most vulnerable that the grandiose rhetoric of a child-friendly society can be matched by actions. Instead of constructing a database of every child in the country that is expensive and time consuming to operate and keep secure, the Government could be devoting a tiny part of those resources to ensuring a consistent national response to known categories of vulnerable children who go missing.

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Sass said...

I chose this article as it shows that Britain admits it has a problem with the massive number of children being looked after by the state. Admitting to having a problem is the key to solving it.

If Portugal admitted that they had a problem with child traffickers, or if the police had admitted that they had had no experience with such cases as Madeleine's (and had therefore accepted help) I for one would have a lot more time for them. Going into "we need no help and have absolutely no problems" mode has helped noone - least of all Madeleine.

Mandz said...

Morning All,

Very interesting article sass & thank you!

It just shows us all how big this problem is and how heartbreaking it is for these children. As you have said admitting to it and trying to do something is better than burying your head and ignoring it – just like Portugal & Goa.

In my opinion they have let down a child who needed their help their expertise however too little too late. What will it take for them to acknowledge they have a problem? Until they admit this – shove your Tourist Industry where the sun don’t shine……

I think our Government needs to do more to help families abroad in this kind of situation if the police are not interested in helping them. There should be some kind of rule that if a British person is murdered or a child is abducted then our police force should have an automatic right to investigate along with the police from that Country & they fly out immediately.



The Times:
Child protection campaigners have alleged that a culture of corruption and complacency in Portugal is allowing such kidnappings to continue unabated. The founder of the Switzerland-based group Innocence in Danger has said she had tried to set up an office in Portugal but it gave up because of the reluctance of the authorities.
Homayra Sellier said after Madeleine's dissappearance last week that Portugal is a country in which “the corruption has gone so high that there's nothing we can do”.
“The fact that the girl (Madeleine) was kidnapped from her bed shows how bad things are.”

helenm said...

good morning Sassyp,

I see you stole first comment, Christabel will be trying to knock you off that perch as she did mine!!!lol.

Governments from all over the world have a responsibility with regard to the safety of children, and in particular those in a vulnerable position be it through children in care or those who have gone missing.Unfortunately there are Governments who decide, for whatever reason, to bury their heads in the sand. They fail to keep registers of paedophiles for e.g. and even in some countries say they do not have a problem with them. What a lame excuse, do paedophiles not go on holiday?
For goodness sake have you not heard a similar thing before? I have. Was it not the African countries who so forcefully stated that AIDS was not a problem for them? Not a problem for them because they failed to keep figures of those afflicted. Statistics are only useful if kept up to date.

I agree Sassyp that our Government and police force appear to be holding their hands up with regard to vulnerable missing children and saying we have a problem, what do we need to do about it? It is their actions in the face of this that is important, but admitting to it is a start. Although it may be too late for Madeleine, let's hope that Portugal learns from this debacle of an investigation, and they too ask themselves how could they have done this better.

melbel said...

Morning Sass and all
It is a slow process,but as you say, we are good at washing our dirty linen,in public and by these unacceptable things, emerging,I do feel confident, that something will be done.
It is also, the British people, who demand this, for all our faults and if a foreign couple, had been in the same position,it would be the British people,screaming out, for justice.
These leaks, could not have happened,in our country and our politicians,would have had all hell to play,if character assassination, on this scale had happened, all before completion of basic questioning.
You only have to read the headlines on the DE newspapers,which appeared, daily,for months,to realise the extent of this and what these people were accused of, in the way of killing accidentally,or murdering ,hiding and disposing of their child, all in view of the world press.
They warned the DE and it did not heed, so they, correctly, sought legal solution.
I have thought quite a bit, about something that Gina said ie, that it would have been easier, for the PJ,to either put Murat, in the frame or to go along,with abduction.
If the Mccs had done what has been suggested, I think that they would have gone home quietly.
I also remember the replacement head of Investigation,[ the well regarded policeman]saying, when he started the case, that if you are in a hole,you just dig deeper.
I do not keep back records [cannot even save on computer ],but I do remember this and I wonder what pressure is on this policeman and why.
The dogs and forensic information,seemed to change things,but the UK laboratory, commented that this evidence was overplayed and misleading.It did not fit the way that the PJ were going and that has seemed to be irreversible.
Is it national pride,misguided or fears for the tourist industry [ look at what happened in Goa]?Is it something more sinister ?
At the end of the day, they are going to have to produce evidence and if not, to clear them.
Alsa is running some unsourced apologia, re the PJ flying in[as ever ]and maybe needing to re question the McCs, suggesting that they may talk in their own country.
"After all, one should not forget, that it is their daughter,who we are looking for".
Too b...y right. None of us have forgotten that. Just get on with it.
Why do we have to hear chapter and verse, about what they are going to do, need to do.?
Just b...y get over here and do your job.
"it is more important for the media campaign, than to work with the Police ".
What a pile of pants .
They only wanted their daughter back and why the hell should they admit to killing their daughter,when they did not do so!


Dogmad compliments us on the professional blog and clearly thinks that this is Mccann led.
Another pile of pants.
Dogmad says he/she is a journalist or writer [from memory of DE, could be wrong ]
I bet you are not a very successful one, with your tunnel vision, a follower rather than a leader.

Sass said...

Hiya Mandz, HelenM and Melbel

Glad you like the article.

I think it is quite strange that some pros say the McCanns should admit to killing their daughter (whether they did or not!) but noone says the Portuguese should admit they have a problem with child trafficking, etc (when they obviously do).

Makes no sense to me!

Sass said...

Melbel
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Dogmad compliments us on the professional blog and clearly thinks that this is Mccann led.
___________________________________

Deduction skills in action again! Glad she thinks it looks professional though.

Mandz said...

Hi Girls!

I remember watching the news and saw Philomena McCann & family who were trying to put pictures up at the Airport of Maddie however heavy handed policemen pushed them out of the airport. Says it all…

helenm said...

Obviously far too professional for a load of bag ladies!!!

Sass said...

HelenM

As far as stealing the first comment is concerned - make sure you make the 201st comment!

Sass said...

HelenM

Exactly. Shouldn't we all be sitting around knitting or something?

helenm said...

I'll be onto it today, no fear. Don't wish to contribute to Christabel's addiction!!

Sass said...

Mandz

I remember hearing about that, too. "Let's sweep it under the carpet and pretend it never happened" comes to mind!

melbel said...

Hi Sass,Mandz,Helen and all.
Good comment,Sass.
I agree with Mandz too, that where a case involves our nationals,there should be a joint investigation.
Our Police could have added much to this enquiry,and it could only be helpful.
I would be more than happy, to see our money put in, too, so it did not fall disproportionately, on the Portugese.
I have read many posters complaining of the cost.
This would not occur to me, as an issue, but why did they not accept the help offered ?
I have also read that the British Ambassador,knew about this, before the PJ.
Well, whose fault was that ?
It was down to the local Police, to pass it up,as appropriate.
How would a foreign person know, which was the appropriate branch?
There has been too much blaming the victim here, for my sense of decency and for many more.

Mandz said...

Professionals..!
Ladies of the night are always…..!!!


Yes Sass - disgusting that poor family.

Sass said...

Melbel and Mandz

Exactly, if the Portuguese are complaining about the cost to the country and their reputation then let Britain pay and risk their reputation, too!

Mandz - isn't it great the way Leigh called us tarts and then Alsabella called us retired tarts and they say we are the abusive ones. ROFLMAO.

Mandz said...

Hi Melbel!

Me too I would be more than happy to put money to help these people abroad in such tragic situations. It should be a “given” that our police forces investigate along with the Country in question. Same goes if a person is murdered or abducted here then that police force should come.

Why they refused help in the beginning should be questioned especially when they are NOT experts in this field and lack necessary skills. Again this says it all…..

melbel said...

Is this the same
Leigh, who had a very sanctimonious Easter message,about we must pity those who fall from grace?
I tried to retrieve it from my wheelie bin,but nearly fell in,being such a small,cognitively impaired and not very dexterous elderly person.

Mandz said...

They can call us what they like - water off a ducks back!

Tarts........well we are sweet!

Sugar and spice and all things nice...that's what we are made of!

Sass said...

Melbel and Mandz

Yup that's the one, Melbel!

Mandz - exactly, who cares! They come here, are allowed to say what they want as long as they don't stir and then run us down on Arsabliar's site. (We can't even post on her site. Arsa goes delete-crazy). Who cares what people like that think of us!

Mandz said...

You are right Helen – all government should be forced by the people to take action instead of corruption and burying their heads etc. Children should come first.. ALWAYS.

melbel said...

Too right, Mandz
The dignity, which this couple have maintained, is way beyond me.
I could not have kept silent and would have done what Joncar,said and spoke out.
Easily said,of course and they have top legal advice, which they sorely need.
To be in the hands of a police force, that is not looking for your daughter and doing all these leaks, to discredit you, must be hell and they are really, the only route to getting their daughter back.
Just one or two leaks, would have sewn seeds, but to carry on like this, was downright daft and counterproductive, as the more intelligent came round to believing that the whole lot was a pack of lies.

Mandz said...

Exactly Sass however little Bianca was doing exactly that all day yesterday with her big wooden spoon and broom.

melbel said...

Anybody want a brew?[not the witches variety]Helen will understand.
Hey, I worked with a Scots lady, once,who took no milk or tea, in hers.

Tulip said...

Hello ladies and any lurking non-ladies/gents.

I was particularly struck by Mandz's snippet from the Times re Swiss-based Innocence in Danger. What the head of that organisation says about Portuguese attitudes is quite a commentary.

I have a theory that some small nations (especially recent democracies) suffer from'small man syndrome'. Very prickly, very pushy, always on the defensive. Older democracies have learnt to roll with the punches and have the self-confidence to self-criticise.

melbel said...

I meant sugar !
Just the ticket for us tarts.
prefer to be a Lancashire hotpot myself,not a Yorkshire pud, where we now live.

Mandz said...

Melbel!

You are right. I think about them all the time in that disgusting scenario? What would I do? I honestly don’t know what I would have done but I doubt I could have kept my mouth shut but as you say legal advice etc. Where do they get the strength and courage from? They are the most dignified couple I have ever seen and my heart breaks for them – how much pain can one take?

They just want their daughter back and the person who is keeping her should hand her back or tell them what has happened. To live in limbo is heartbreaking...

Gina said...

Dianeh I have left a message for you on yesterday (otherside) article-

Whilst here is anybody is interested . The Guardia have arrested people in connection with Mari Luz's murder

melbel said...

Morning Tulip
It was very telling,especially,as coming from the Times, it was well researched and sourced.
Yet, we have connections with Ireland, though I am English and I remember when the racehorse was stolen,Sagar, the copper in charge,admitted, that they did not,at that time,have any good leads and he got taken off the case.
I agree with you,in general, though, re some smaller nations.

Mandz said...

Hi Tulip!

YOu might just be right!

Sass said...

Mandz - But a lot of Bianca's posts got deleted, didn't they? I wasn't around, but I did see the posts that were e-mailed.

We get e-mail copies of the posts (no private e-mail addresses shown). That's how we found out about Arsabliar. We got an e-mail saying that Marla had written, but she had forgotten to turn off her Google/Blogger ID.

She deleted it quickly, but we still have the e-mail with the ID (which she has now hidden from view, but which makes no difference because the ID codes are the same anyway). Quite funny how people believe everything she says.

Melbel - Cypriot relatives of mine do that too. When they come over all they want is hot water.

Hiya Tulip - Nice to see ya!

melbel said...

Morning Gina
Thanks for that and will check it out on sky,etc.

Mandz said...

Gina,

Do you have a link please..?

Sass said...

Gina

Thanks for letting us know. Dianeh doesn't usually post around this time for time-difference reasons!

Sass said...

http://www.typicallyspanish.com/
news/publish/article_15766.shtml

Sorry, last one didn't really work! Will delete post!

melbel said...

If you hear anything, hope to get a quick summary.
I only tried cutting and pasting once and wiped a lot of favourite sites,so am a computer phobic.

melbel said...

Daily mail running article too.
Was local paedophile.

melbel said...

Thanks,sass, I have read that now.x

Sass said...

Melbel

Great. Will delete it then!

Tulip said...

Hi to you too Sass.

Is your new avatar an attempt to compete for space in my spring bouquet??

Sass said...

Tulip

Had to get rid of the Easter egg! Hardly up to date now is it! I thought daffodils looked like spring! (And they reflect my Welsh roots!)

melbel said...

Have to go all, as date with my dentist looms.
Poor little Mari and what a world we live in!God only knows what her parents are going through.

Sass said...

See you later Melbel.

Whatever punishment the person who harmed Mari Luz gets won't be enough as it won't undo what he has done.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Morning All,

Can you imagine being in this situation and the very people you are looking to for help, cannot even tell you, the parents of an abducted child, how the investigation is progressing, due to their archaic secrecy laws.

Add to that the fact you believe they are playing it down and not acting with any sense of urgency and you may just get a feel of the extreme anxiety these poor parents must have been going through.

Apparently the case was only upgraded to that of a missing child upon the involvement of John Buck. Good on you Mr. Buck!

I posted yesterday about the 2 exceptions to the secrecy law, which according to experts could both have been applied in this case,
Why wasnt they ?
Who made the decision to not apply them ?,
Who made the decision to stop searching after 3 weeks ?

I read reports of Gerry in tears, begging them to show him evidence that Madeleine was no longer alive,

It makes me sick to think what mental torture they have put these poor parents through and I'm glad they got the media involved so that this shower are seen for what they are and for what they have put these parents through.

melbel said...

Just a last thing.Dogmad,had said that the site was very professional and that we had some photos,that he had never seen.
In light of the context and past remarks made,it was my words re it being a McCann effort.
I know you will draw your own conclusions.
I was taken aback to see Arepa now adds "I pointed out the stars to you and all you saw, was my finger "!
EHH ?
Hope to return,but invading husband's personal space,by keep nannying on, on the computer, as he puts it.
Morning all.have nice day and take care x

Sass said...

Melbel

That "pointing out the stars" business is Arepa's new name! She or he is coming here to check out our pictures because apparently we took them out of our "family album"!!! ROFLMAO. I found them all on the Internet.

melbel said...

Good post,Tinks.
I had no idea that there could have been exceptions to the secrecy laws.
It is one long heartbreaking story.
Really gone now. take care x

Sass said...

Hiya Tinks!

Good points!

Sass said...

Arepa

Yoo hoo!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hiya All,

Just popping in, boss is out at the mo, so while the cats away....

Its nice to see so many posters this early in the day.

calcite51 said...

Good morning, everyone.

Sass, I agree before you can deal with a problem, you have to admit there is a problem.

Mandz, while I agree with your comments - I think an international allied force might work better to assist in the investigation of children that go missing in a foreign country.

Of course, the child's country would be kept abreast of any developments in the case and input from that country would be welcomed.

I think that way you would get rid of accusations that one government is playing politics (as seen by the case of Madeleine).

And I would definitely like to see the FBI, Scotland Yard part of this alliance.

calcite51 said...

We should test this alliance on of course, the escape goat. lol

Sass said...

Hiya Calcite

How are you?

The Madeleine case is just like an example of how not to do things! Just do the opposite of that next time and Bob's your uncle!

calcite51 said...

Good morning, Sass.

I'm good so far - have to start thinking getting ready for work again.

Yes, Madeleine's case was definitely a text book case of how NOT to conduct an investigation of a missing child.

Sass said...

Calcite

I admit that I had huge problems getting up this morning. It's nice to see my colleagues again, but I wouldn't swap it for a day off!

calcite51 said...

Diane, left a comment on last nite's page. Where is Laz? Does anyone know?

Mandz said...

Tinks!

Brilliant post and I was not aware of the “exceptions” and as you say why was it not applied?

Again this says it all….

Tulip said...

I'm very pleased to hear they have caught the guy who took Mari Luz. I suppose a known paedophile living next door might be an obvious candidate! But at least it's closure. Those poor parents --and POOR 1-5 who is probably still convinced they are involved, backed by Metodo, Gordon Brown and Santa Claus.

Ladies, put Arepa with the finger out of her misery -- she's desperate to find out this blog address and nobody is responding. Perhaps they fear a defection?

For some reason she wants to look at our pictures of Madeleine for her scrap book. Eh? Maybe she's looking for proof, Rosie, that you are really a disreputable relation of the McCanns.

If you put the address on their blog for her how long would it last, do you think?

Sass said...

Tulip

I think we should think in terms of seconds and not minutes!

Tulip said...

It's OK girls -- an Anon has provided our address 'if she wants to go into the lion's den'.

Hi Arepa, hope you like our pictures.

Sass said...

Tulip

Don't understand the fuss about the pictures. I found them all on the Internet. It's only a case of looking! Got some tips from others here, too. Tinks let me know where there were some we didn't already have, so they got stuck up there. Got a couple more on my computer to put in too.

Sass said...

Tulip

There is a big-time stirring anon that goes onto Arsabliar's. Whoever it is is trying to play us all off against each other. They write bad things about us on Arsa's and bad things about Arsa's bunch of you-know-whats on Supertroll's.

And they wonder why we don't allow anonymous comments! Hardly rocket science, is it!

Tulip said...

Sass, there are some lovely pictures among them -- showing an obviously happy, well-cared-for little girl.
For some reason the one that tugs at my heart is the one of Amelie toddling along hugging the cuddle cat. As if somehow she felt Madeleine was there. Soppy I know.

Yes, I've noticed that Anon over there.

Mandz said...

Hi Calcite!

Whatever the case as long as all police forces get involved and do their very best 100% then I’m all for it. We have seen the devastation and let down of children/families to protect the Tourist Money and quickly kicking us out well if we have an automatic right to enter and investigate then this perhaps? will stop Tourist being treated in this disgusting appalling way…

helenm said...

Melbel, do you think it is the same as 'you can't see further than the nose on your face'!!!

Got kcked off myself this morning by hubby. Had to give him lunch to get him off!

Sass said...

Tulip

I think that's a lovely picture, too. Rosie found it somewhere.

calcite51 said...

Tulip - if you go visit the other site again, you should ask Clawdia, "Where's the body?"

She made a comment "Madeleine is dead."

You should also suggest to them that they should write an etiquette book on how to act when your child goes missing.

According to them, the McCanns just didn't act right. I've never read such hogwash in all my life - they are a disgrace to human nature.

calcite51 said...

By the way, let me clarify the last comment - I am not referring to the McCanns being a disgrace to the human natures but to the posters on Alsabella's blog.

Sass said...

Calcite

Had guessed that is what you meant!

Tulip said...

Calcite I never post on that site. What would be the point? I just view -- and shake my head.

calcite51 said...

Tulip, I don't blame you - I have NOT been posting on that blog either.

calcite51 said...

hi hoe, hi hoe, it's off to work I go.

Have a great day, everyone - will check in tonight.

Sass said...

Calcite and Tulip

I tried to post on Arsabliar's site. I used my Google ID (not a fake one like "Marla") and posted a polite paragraph from the Times. I was told to crawl back into my hole by Athena (she hadn't even read it - moronic lemming) and Arsabliar deleted it before you could say "Marla is yet another ID" .

calcite51 said...

Sass - what a pile of garbage! I can't believe they deleted your post.

IMHO, they are not open-minded and they don't like trolls (I think we're cute).

calcite51 said...

Sass - can I ask? What paragraph from the Times did you paste over there?

calcite51 said...

As much as it saddens me, I must leave - good-bye all!

Sass said...

Calcite

Will try and find it again. It was about racism in the Madeleine case. Will post it when I find it.

Have a nice work day!

helenm said...

By Calcite,
for those of you from the other site who may be looking in, can you inform Arepa that she will find all the pictures she wants of Madeleine, just by googling, including the one of Amelie holding cuddlecat, found on:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=456067&in_page_id=1770

Sass said...

HelenM

Not going back to that back-slapping, hypocritical place in a hurry! Don't have time for the compulsory 10 "Hail Arsabliars"!!!

helenm said...

Sassyp and any posters on here who were enquiring about Big L, read his post on Alsabella's site at 13.30 today.

Sass said...

HelenM

Let's hope he started smoking again!

Sass said...

Have to go!

Back later

x

Tulip said...

Now Sass (re Big_L) that was a low blow!!

Tulip said...

Mind you, now I've read it not low enough. Someone pleasant called Holly fought back!!!

Mandz said...

Absolutely Calcite!

The ones who go on about how “one” should act and behave in that situation are absolutely beyond belief. As for the K&G nonsense not looking etc which newspaper article did they read which stated the McCann’s did not physically look for their daughter? Even so what use would they have been – mentally and physically?? Shame on people who demand tears, emotions and a public breakdown – SHAME ON YOU. You all thought the same about these women: Donna Anthony, Joana Lees
Ben mother.

Mandz said...

Holier-than-thou....and child neglect lovers??????

At least we are NOT "child abductor lovers and incompetent police lovers"

Tulip said...

Have to go out now so will leave Ms/Mr fingers to to all.

Mandz said...

Arepa....

What was the so called alleged "questions" they did not answer nor were obliged too??

Which newspaper stated they played tennis? Can you give me the link?

Mandz said...

How do you feel on here about the McCanns not answering questions that could solve the disappearance of THEIR daughter? Can you give me a valid reason a parent would intentionally hamper the investigation in to the disappearance of their daughter?

**********************************
Did they not answer the so called “questions” Arepa??

Would the case have been “solved” Arepa or is that just what YOU think?

If you are suggesting the McCann’s harmed their child then surely the PJ could quite easily have “charged” them by now and taken them to Court and used the fact that they “did not answer” the oh so very (alleged) important questions! Surely.. this case does NOT DEPEND ON THE QUESTIONS AREPA……

Sass said...

Arepa

Aren't you the lucky one being able to comment here and not be deleted. We don't have that privilege on Arsabliar's/Marla's site.

I would imagine that any questions the McCanns were asked that could help with the disappearance of their daughter were in fact answered.

The ones which weren't answered, in my opinion, were those where the PJ were trying to frame them.

As noone knows what the questions were that were asked and possibly not answered all anyone can give is an opinion.

Mandz said...

Muldoon.....

Really well that says it all doesn’t it……….don’t believe everything you read however if their “trauma therapist” advised and told them to do so and focus their energy in something they enjoyed and they felt this helped then why not?
Who are you or I to decide how one should act behave in that situation Muldoon??

There has been that many lies being spread about them Muldoon so where do they start? What get’s me is the people who demand tears, emotions etc…

Sass said...

Hello Muldoon

If it was just one paper stating that then I'd take it with a brick of salt as I said about the Express "exclusives" too.

Don't you think that something like that would be in most papers? I can imagine many journalists would love such a story!

Mandz said...

Arepa,

I cannot prove there was abduction however can you prove the abduction did not happen?

Rosiepops said...

Hi Everyone

Just dropped in, having a 10 minute lunch break in a busy hectic schedual today, the people I am meeting have just been taken off for a tour, so will not be around until later.

Mandz said...

Well Arepa,

We shall just have to wait and see!

Good day...

Sass said...

Arepa

It's not a case of being noble. If you don't like censorship then you'd better hang around here. It's Arsabella/Marla who deletes anyone who doesn't agree with her.

My post to Arsabliar's/Marla's was polite and still got deleted. It wasn't stirring anything I was genuinely interested in the reaction from the other "side".

Sass said...

Hiya Rosie

How ya doing?

Rosiepops said...

There is one fact in this case (apart from the 101 facts that prove the PJ totally incompetent)

Madeleine McCann now aged 4 (almost 5 years) is missing from home. She disappeared while on holiday with her parents, police have systematically failed to prove that she has died and there is no trace of wrongdoing or a body.

Hence the very high probability that she was abducted from her bed on the evening of May 3rd in Praia da Luz Portugal.

Instead of trying to shoe horn the parents into the frame for her murder/death which no one can prove, Madeleine was abducted.

And Arepa you can stuff your half months wages up where Portugal can stuff their tourist industry, your money isn't wanted, what is wanted is for you to stop accusing these parents of wrongdoing when you know absolutely nothing about anything.

If you think this is a place where you can come and make multiple brain dead posts of an accusatory nature against the McCann's think again because they will not be tolerated.

Mandz said...

No I don't Arepa – JT saw a man carrying a child who has never to my knowledge come forward to be eliminated from enquiry.

What about Shannon who went missing did anyone “see” her with her abductor or “her” for that matter entering his home or with him?

Sass said...

Arepa

I agree that all we know is that the McCann children were left in the apartment alone and about the only thing we all agree on is that shouldn't have happened.

You said how you would feel in their situation, but you can't tell how you would feel as I assume you haven't been in that situation!

Also if you were Kate McCann and you had the feeling you were being stitched up by the PJ, would you trust them enough to volunteer yourself for questioning if in your opinion they were going to imprison you?

Rosiepops said...

Hi Mandz

There are people falling over themselves to make excuses for Karen Matthews, whose actions could be said to contribute as to why Shannon was abducted, yet these same people want to scream blame at the McCann's for neglect for doing far less.

I think it is inverted snobbery. If Karen Matthews was middle class these same people would be screaming abuse at her. The same way that Kate and Gerry McCann are being abused because their got off their backsides, got themselves through school and university and actually made somethig of their lives.
Great big green eyed monsters!

Mandz said...

I think it is inverted snobbery.
Hi Rosie,

If Karen Matthews was middle class these same people would be screaming abuse at her. The same way that Kate and Gerry McCann are being abused because their got off their backsides, got themselves through school and university and actually made somethig of their lives.
Great big green eyed monsters!
***********************************

Very true and why are they not "attacking" other parents at the MW Complex who left their children alone?????
Scotland has 60,000 child neglect cases through drugs therefore why are some not focusing on that????? I'm sure there are plenty in Portugal and other cases World Wide therefore why are they NOT "attacking" or protesting or setting up a blog about it????

ps Neglect is NOT just for the McCann's....

Rosiepops said...

No one saw anyone abduct Shannon Matthews, yet he used his car!

No one saw Shannon Matthews walking into this flat, despite it being in the middle of a huge council housing estate.

Why would anyone see anything in a quite little place where the tourist season had not yet got going?

When strange things were seen and reported in PDL BEFORE Madeleine went missing, did the Portuguese police do anything about them?

Ooops no (now there's a surprise)

Thing is in the middle of a busy place and outside a school in afternoon where there were a great many people around, no one saw anything and Shannon was successfully abducted.

Just goes to prove because people do not see anything does not mean that there was not an abduction.

I am off now see you all later.

Sass said...

Arepa

Just wrote a long reply to your comment then lost the connection. Hang around and I'll do it again.

Mandz said...

Arepa,

No she does not have a bad attitude..thanks very much but you do and your picture is pathetic.

Rosiepops said...

Arepa

I do not like you or your attitude and I have read a lot of you on Alsabliar's blog and you continually show yourself up to be an ignorant arrogant loony.

Or is that the people you normally interact with are all sick of you and 2345 has not yet come out to play, so you thought you would come here?

If you do not like my attitude sod off - your choice.

Mandz said...

Thing is in the middle of a busy place and outside a school in afternoon where there were a great many people around, no one saw anything and Shannon was successfully abducted.

Just goes to prove because people do not see anything does not mean that there was not an abduction.
**********************************

Exactly Rosie!

Sass said...

Arepa

First of all Rosie didn't delete your rude responses, I did.

Secondly, if you were Kate McCann and you had the feeling that the PJ weren't looking for your daughter and were just trying to frame you, would you still be as keen to go back, after all, if you are imprisoned, there is one person fewer looking for your daughter and your twins' lives would be disrupted yet more.

Rosiepops said...

Arepa

If you want to come on this blog keep it polite.

Also disable the picture because we do not like it and we will not allow you to post here with it.

Mandz said...

We along with Rosie are not vindictive Arepa however we want the truth just like you. As for your cheeky remarks about Gerry sister, Maddie aunt is that necessary??

Sass said...

Rosie and Mandz

Hadn't even thought about noone seeing Shannon Matthews in the middle of a council estate! Wonder how he managed to do get her in the house without anyone seeing her!

Mandz said...

Exactly Sass,

Who saw Shannon......? No one...

I hardly think they leave calling cards..

Rosiepops said...

And the woman in Goa's name is Fiona MacKeown and she has not been gagged by an archaic secrecy order, even in Goa, the are more advanced than Portugal.

I note you do not have much to say that this mother allowed her daughter to have underage sex with a 25 year old man and went off on her hiliday leaving her in the care of this boyfriend and his mother, whom she did not know very well.

This is where screaming at the McCann's reeks of double standards and now complete undoes any other argument you may have against real cases of neglect and a further demonstration of why you should be very careful of how you hurl accusations of neglect around, when you want to use them in the correct context you can't.

Rosiepops said...

Mandz and Sass

see you later have to go now, back this evening.

Mandz said...

Did they not Arepa? Who told you they did not look? So Kate said I’m incredibly busy so I didn’t bother looking – yah sure.

How would you know what you would do unless you have been in that situation so until then you can only “think” what you might do.
ALL ..MW complexes world wide offer a nanny listening service which means they listen at the flat door however do not enter therefore are you not annoyed at MW and ALL PARENTS who use this service??

I don’t think any parent should leave their children or use this “service” however they did not deserve this they did not deserve someone coming into their environment and take their child no one deserves this an why are you not angry at the MONSTER who took her?

Rosiepops said...

Good Arepa don't bother coming back. I don't want to hear about your pathetic excuse for that disgusting, stupid and childish avatar either, we know perfectly well what that avatar is and why you have it and it shows how stupid you actually are. If you come on here disable it or your posts will be deleted - end of.

Mandz said...

Good point Rosie!

there is no pathetic secrecy law there and good on her for calling on a hugh publicity stunt...


Bye for now!

Rosiepops said...

We do not allow libellous comments either, so maybe you are better off going back to the queen of libellous comments blog.

We will not tolerate them on here.

Sass said...

Arepa

Your question "Are you saying they should get out and sod the kids?" Don't be ridiculous.

chinadoll said...

Arepa,

You are such a brave and clever girl, coming here and attempting to stir up trouble, after which, no doubt, you will run back to your friends for a bit of grateful back slapping.

Whatever your twisted views on this dreadful case are, the fact remains that the McCanns have been charged with nothing and left Portugal with the consent of the pj and the authorities there.

You are clearly full of hate and have been requested, to disable your offensive avatar.

I personally feel that any further posts, made with that avatar should be DELETED and promptly for that matter.

Sass said...

Arepa
___________________________________
sass so why do you think it ok to excuse the McCanns risking arrest as opposed to tackkling something fatal like fire?
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


Don't know what you're on about - have never said anything like that.

Mandz said...

I agree China....

Nice to see you!

Sass said...

Hiya China

They will be! It's a shame - started off debating quite OK really!

Mandz said...

Risked arrest...? They have NOT been charged with anything.

Have the PJ not heard of plain trains and automobiles?!!

chinadoll said...

Hi Rosie, Sassy and Mandz,

Only came on for a quick peek haha

What is all this business about 'I pointed out the stars to you all' ??
Sounds like her head is up in the clouds to me. Cloud Cuckoo Land.

Mandz said...

Hi China!

I think the big wooden spoon is out...

Sass said...

Hiya China

Just off - back soon!

chinadoll said...

Mandz,

Was acreepa on the DX - I don't remember her - maybe it was before my time or perhaps she was banned? I would not be surprised.

Mandz said...

China!

Not a name I'm familiar with however read their blog and she speaks as though she knows Rosie and me from DX and thinks we are dare I say it....related to the McCanns?!

chinadoll said...

Mandz,

Related to the McCanns?

Sounds familiar - yawn, yawn, yawn.

chinadoll said...

Just read this article in the Daily Telegraph, about little Mari Luz Cortes

link to article

It is understandable that the McCanns are eager to have this looked into further.

chinadoll said...

I certainly hope it has nothing to do with Madeleine, but I can understand the need to have it checked out.
Rosiepops has repeatedly said that the proximity of the locations is such, that it should be looked at further.

Mandz said...

China!

Thanks & will go and have a look to the link! How did ya do that?? Wizzzkid...

Mandz said...

Yes China!

They need to check this out however will they? I hope the spanish police look into this.

I pray to God he is not involved evil son of a bitch.

chinadoll said...

Mandz,

Last Wednesday I learnt how to copy and paste. My computer engineer has been over today and put the facility on my desktop and shown me what to do. It really is simple. That was the first time I posted a live link and I am really chuffed heheheheh

I am finally becoming more computer literate.

JANEGT said...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2008/03/26/mccanns-want-spanish-paedophile-quizzed-on-missing-madeleine-89520-20363590/

JANE HERE
JUST ON
SORRY HAVEN'T READ BACK BUT THOUGHT YOU WOULD WANT TO SEE TODAY'S MIRROR ARTICLE back soon folks. sorry did not greet you All yet...JUST BACK FROM DENTIST.

HELLO ALL.

JANEGT said...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=545869&in_page_id=1811

JANE HERE AGAIN SORRY IF YOU HAVE SEEN THIS ONE TOO.

JANEGT said...

rosiepops

and everyone
http://www.freewebs.com/jimbrowninwa/madeleinemccann.htm

JANEGT said...

rosiepops

and everyone
http://www.freewebs.com/jimbrowninwa/madeleinemccann.htm

Mandz said...

Well Chinawhizzkid...

You have impressed me big time! You will need to give us all instructions for the future!

ps Arepa,

I do not know you from the DX unless you posted under a different name and NO I am not related to the McCann's.

Mandz said...

Jane it's gone..! What was it?

Oops! We can't find that page.

JANEGT said...

ACREEPA

this is a blog for debate, not abuse.

go home.

JANEGT said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
JANEGT said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
Mandz said...

Arepa!

I don't recall your name & would not insult a picture of Maddie ever. I do like your new one!

melbel said...

Arepa
Thought you were going to chuck yourself off Cardiff Bridge, or do a mass streak at a major match.
You sound like a very unpleasant, hysterical, drama queen, to me.
People like you,who engage in witch hunts, against people,whose questioning,has not even been finished by the incompetent Portugese Police, are a disgrace.
Bog off.We do not want your money.
Do you earn any ? You are on the blog, night and day ?
Engage your brain [ or what there is ] before you engage your mouth.
You are sick and offensive.

JANEGT said...

acreepa

nothing at all wrong with Janet. Just not my name, as you know. You are the one who used to name call all the time and provoke. doesn't work here though. We are far too sensible and we can spell too. That's why we do not take you seriously at all. Insulting me is of no use at all. I know exactly what your game is, and it will not work, not here. You are seriously out of your depth. But please, DON'T HOLD YOUR HEAD UP ON OUR ACCOUNT.

bedtime perhaps as it's nearly 7 pm. You are up late aren't you?

JANEGT said...

acreepa

I pointed to the door

all you see is your feet

take them out your mouth.

melbel said...

Arepa
Thanks for leaving your address and post code, to enable easier contact with you re your libelous comments about the Mccanns from the relevant authorities.
Not your brightest move.
The Mccanns and legal teams, are said to be turning next to blogs.

Sass said...

Arepa

___________________________________
Gina I am sory my aviator offends you...have to say though it is meant to signify this is not about the MCCanns its about Madeliene. I think I fared pretty well except for the handicap of being deleted when hey did not have an answer.Arepa.....cant be bothered to sign in.
___________________________________

Your being deleted has nothing to do with not having any answers. I think I answered everything you asked.

It has to do with the way you are talking to our regular posters.

Mandz said...

Arepa,

Come on Rosie was civil to you.
As for the abduction as I said JT did see a man carry a child who has never come forward.

Did anyone see Shannon's abductor or her in a busy area...?

ps Do you watch Gavin & Stacey..?

melbel said...

Jane
if this is the calibre of people, on the anti side, I don't think that there is much cause for concern.She accuses herself, by her foul mouth.
Barking.

Mandz said...

Arepa,

Well well I answered all of your questions however you did not answer mine....if you look back..??

JANEGT said...

melbel

hi and good eveing

barking is too much of a comliment

FAR FAR TOO MUCH

!!!!

Sass said...

Arepa that comment to Mandz was way out of order. Anything you write at any time will be deleted.

JANEGT said...

ACREEPA

''THE MCCANNS KILLED THEIR DAUGHTER'' you said in your post. I have copied it and is in hands of legal experts for the McCanns as of tomorrow.

IS BLASPHEMOUS. LOOK IT UP AS YOU WILL NOT UNDERSTAND. and to avoid doubt, you are more than an idiot. you are a nutter ad libellous at that.

go to bed before you are sued you total loser.

chinadoll said...

Acreepa,

You really are a nasty piece of work.

As for your avatar, this shows just what a sick mind you have.
Do you dream of Gerry McCann in the electric chair when you finally go to sleep at night and shut down that nasty twisted brain of yours?

You really are such a big girl, hiding behind your screen hurling personal insults at other posters.

Go find someone real to pick a fight with

Mandz said...

Arepa,

No I don't & why ask such a stupid question unless you are a bit dim (yours words)....

melbel said...

Hi Jane,China,Sass, Mandz and all.
I have long thought that many of the antis are very twisted,maladjusted people and expect nothing better.
Alsabella will be proud of her.

chinadoll said...

Sassyp,

I hope you are busy deleting every single post of that sicko with the offensive avatars.

JANEGT said...

acreepa

ME .....

plain? no

dried up> no

no husband? what makes you think that my dear?


and the rest? nonsense!!!!!

but...perhaps you were looking in the mirror when you were describing yourself AND NOT ME? If so, not nearly bad enough nor low enough. You have stooped to new depths even for you and you were sub ground level then anyway. Your comment is in hands of my lawyers, as it is clearly actionable and posted in a public plce. Idiot. As you will shortly find out. You have a lot of law suits to look forward to now haven't you. This will give you the attention you crave. No mates loser acreepa.

now go to bed it is past your bedtime.

and wash out your mouth, with bleach preferably!!! UNDILUTED LIKE YOUR VENOM.

chinadoll said...

Hi Jane, Sass, Mandz and Melbel,

I was in the kitchen and came back on to refresh and could not believe my eyes.

A very twisted individual indeed.

Sass said...

Hiya

China - yup you were right! That is exactly what I was doing. Think I have removed all trace now.


Melbel - you're probably right about the back-slapping! I'm sure that vicious b**ch Clawdia will have a field day with it all.

Sass said...

China

If you refresh again, you'll find no trace! (If you do, let me know please and I'll remove it!)

Mandz said...

Sass!

Feel free to delete however she did allow us to go into her profile!

Sass said...

Mandz

Am not deleting what you write!!! As you say, her profile is open to all! If you had written her name, address and telephone number I would have deleted it, but not a profile that is open to all!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Evening All,

I see a looney tune has escaped from Casa Crud! Has she been rounded up and returned yet!

Baying mob this way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

chinadoll said...

Cheers Sassy,

Have checked back and the smell has gone. Thanks for opening the windows lol

Sass said...

Chinadoll

No problem! That was unexpected because at first she was normal! I wasn't expecting a freak-out of such major proportions.

It's difficult to block people who don't agree with us just for that reason. However, if they all behave like that I think we'll find it in our hearts to do just that!!!

chinadoll said...

Hi Tinkerbell,

That woman is an absolute disgrace and if I were Alsabella, I would alienate her too. Who wants that type of support of a blog - you would have to be desperate

archer said...

Hi everyone

How pathetic was that? Poor deluded child - must be medication time.

Jane - that last link that you posted came up as OOPS! We can't find that page.....

Sass said...

Found this on Arsabliar's blog.

At least someone there has some sense. The "playing into their hands this is what they want" was way off the mark, but the rest was good.
___________________________________

Anonymous said...
Arepa. You have really brought alsabellas blog down today with your behaviour on the other site. You are playing into their hands this is what they want. I think your comments are out of order as is your picture of gerry strapped to an electric chair. Totally out of order. I think you have embarrassed this blog.

Mandz said...

Sass,

Deleted it - we know now what we are dealing with!

Sass said...

Jane and Melbel

Sorry that the insults posted by Arepa weren't deleted straightaway. The four of us weren't around and it took ages to get rid of all the stuff she posted because there was so much of it!

x

Sass said...

Mandz

You didn't have to do that. Her profile is public anyway!

Mandz said...

China & more...!

Anonymous said...
AREEPA

YOU CERTAINLY DONE WELL TODAY ON THAT BLOG DIDN'T YOU. PICTURE OF GERRY IN ELECTRIC CHAIR, NAMEING MCCANNS AS 'CHILD KILLERS', ALSO LEAVING YOUR NAME AND POST CODE HERE BEFOREHAND SO YOU ARE TRACEABLE, AND SAYING YOU WILL STREAK AND JUMP OFF CARDIFF BRIDGE.

DON'T LET US STOP YOU. YOUR INTENTIONS ARE QUITE RIGHT, BANG ON HUN. GO AHEAD. DO THE WORLD A FAVOUR.

i AM just a trainee journalist with a newspaper in England. I know what you have done, and I have copies. You are rather silly aren't you? Queen of Mean won't like it, you have shot you and her blog in the foot and google can and will withdraw her site now I have told them and they have copies of your libel today. silly silly cow.

love ENA

guardian

Dobywallah said...

CHINADOLL
Hiya chinadoll, thought you had left us, glad I was mistaken. Hello everyone and bye for now as I am in the middle of something, but be back shortly.

Tinkerbell43 said...

To Anon on Alsabliar blog, at last someone with an ounce of sense. I feel sorry for you having people like that in your ranks, she even surpassed Clawdia and that is really saying something.

chinadoll said...

Mandz,

What a cracking post.

Good for ENA.

Sass said...

Hiya Dobywallah

How ya doing? See ya back here when you have more time!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Well spotted Mandz,

Thanks for passing it on!

I didnt realise the posts had been that vicious. I hope Google do act accordingly.

JANEGT said...

mandz

thank you for that profile. ha ha ha ,,SHEEP,, killed me ha ha ha ha ha ha ha HOW APT. ALSO 'BIT DIM' NO, SHE FLATTERS HERSELF, TOTALLY SUB NORMALLY DIM. AGGRESSIVE, LIBELLOUS, CONTEMPTIBLE, IGNORANT, BLINKERED, AND EVEN A DOESN'T LIKE HER POST HA HA HA HA HA

her 4 cylindrs have just blown big time. call out the AA and I do NOT MEAN automobile association either. what a stupid idiot. for 28 read 2. no more. She acts like her shoe size not her age. Moronic is a compliment. ha ha ha

best laugh I have had in ages. cheered me up bigtime .... if she only knew who she was dealing with and the job done here. ha ha ha ha


ridiculous.

poor thing. deluded, ar*e licking parasite. Hasn't a genuine original thought of her own. And this should be put on her cv as it is the most positive thing anyone could say about that loser.

She thiks she has admiration from A. Not one bit. Even A has sense to know when someone has gone well, well over the line. I have frwarded her post #'THE MCCANNS KILLED THEIR DAUGHTER' ON TO LEGAL ADVISORS FOR THE MCCANNS. THEY SUED DE AND DS AND SUNDAY DE AND SUNDAYDS SO IF I WERE HER, AND I KNOW HER NAME AND HER POST CODE, THANKS FOR POSTING THAT ON PUBLIC PLACE, AREEPA, THEY WILL CERTAINLY BE ACTING. NO DOUBTS AT ALL.

nOW PERHAPS YOU SHOULD JUMP OFF CARDIFF BRIDGE AS YOU DESIRE, GOOD TIMING FOR YOU. dON'T STREAK THOUGH, YOUR SKIN NEEDS IRONING. BIG TIME.

Tinkerbell43 said...

You couldn't iron that skin Jane, its too thick like the poster!

JANEGT said...

TINKERBELL

INDEED,

IF SHE DID AS SHE SUGGESTED, JUMP OFF CARDIFF BRIDGE, SHE WOULD 'CLANG' not land. ha ha

as for streaking...ha ha ha ha
seen these posters for 'before' ad after, she would be the 44 stone before........and that is flattering. ha ha ha ha

archer said...

Hiya

I have to say, displays like that make me even more determined to show my support here for Kate and Gerry.

Jane I love you!!!lol

chinadoll said...

Well said Archer,

Me too.

Tinkerbell43 said...

ENA, if you are looking in here, you go girl!

JANEGT said...

ARCHER

I love you too

but remember I am an ebolloxed drunk, bad mother, don't know where my child is, stupid, idiot, mad, and 40 plus, wrinkled, et al.

hee hee hee. take it po face doesn't like my picture? Shame, as Vogue do. hee hee

This creepess knows absolutely nothing about me. To insinuate all this as really funny, but to actually name THE MCCANNS ARE CHILD KILLERS' she should do all she says, jump off cardiff bridge and streak at same time. Her body would look like an old crumpled road map from the 1800's and noone would look further. What a cynical, manipulative 28 year old. What a sad life.

Do they have laptops in nunneries?

aha

that explains it. Cornton Vale link agrees.

Tulip said...

I'm glad I had to go out and leave the lovely Arepa in your hands. Seems to have been a lively day.

I'm glad I didn't see her posts -- it would have ruined my evening. Hate blogs do attract the very worst don't they?

Just before I left I saw a very crude insult from Muldoon -- did he delete and come back with a real question then? Crikey, what a freak show those 'visitors' brought with them.

Mandz said...

Hi All,

Hope that teaches the lass not to mess with us intelligent people!

archer said...

But Jane

having said all of that she describes herself as a Domestic GODDESS- I sure as heck hope that that isn't a euphemism for MOTHER. But then, looking on the bright side I expect she is monitored closely by her carers.

Mandz said...

Jane!!

What we gonna do about your dried up skin?!!!!!! E45? Oil of Olay?!!!!!!!!!!!!

But more importantly what can we do with a misbehaved 28year old??

Brat Camp USA??

Tinkerbell43 said...

Mandz,

Brat camp on the moon wouldn't be far enough, lol.

supertroll said...

Hello everyone,

It looks like I missed a resal nasty one...
Sorry, I wasn't around.

I think this person has posted under a different name before and caused trouble on other blogs.

ST

chinadoll said...

Hi ST,

Yes, it truly was disgraceful and frankly, I sincerely hope that Alsabella has something to say to her about it.

Mandz said...

Hi ST,

I doubt she was on the DX under that name I would have remembered her. There was a poster away back that used a Maddie photo however I can’t remember her name. The posts are the exact same - what she gave here today. She used to say the most vile stuff to Rosipoz myself and Alroy.

supertroll said...

Does the name Muldoon ring any bells?

ST

JANEGT said...

st

I recall that name from old DE days. Were they not banned? can't reember, they disappeared.

Others will know.......

Mandz said...

ST,

Yes I remember Muldoon from DX....Could that be Arepa..? Funny how they both turned up at the "same time"..Ha!

Rosiepops said...

Hi Everyone

Just back in, will disappear in a minute have a curry coming (if I can eat it, still not much appetite)

Oh no penalty to France!

supertroll said...

I believe Arepa is muldoon,

At least the muldoon that visited Viv a few weeks ago.
Same abusive style, same attitude towards the McCann's.
Even Viv had to tone him/her down.
Alsabella may regret allowing anything on her blog as long as it agrees with her.

ST

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