Monday 10 March 2008

Two mothers, two lost girls, one class system

Meet the two sides of the social class coin in Britain: Karen Matthews and Kate McCann. From parallel socioeconomic worlds, the two women are bound by perhaps the most traumatic experience a parent can have: the disappearance of a child.

Ms Matthews' nine-year-old daughter Shannon, from West Yorkshire, has been missing since February 19. Madeleine McCann, 4, vanished from her bed in Portugal in May last year. It is suspected that both were abducted.

The unkind have depicted the two mothers as Waynetta Slob - Britain's most famous underclass stereotype - versus Kate Moss - darling of the glamour set. They have compared Ms Matthews' seven children by five fathers and her 22-year-old boyfriend with Mrs McCann's IVF-conceived twins and heart-surgeon husband. The high-minded say these things should not matter; it is the missing girls that are important. But it is clear that the perception of class does matter when trying to capture the public's imagination.

You may not have heard of Shannon Matthews. The little girl, from an impoverished council estate in Dewsbury in Britain's north, disappeared as she walked home after a swimming class. The police have deployed 350 officers and 60 detectives to the search, joined by innumerable local volunteers. A reward of £25,000 ($A55,000) has been raised, with The Sun contributing £20,000.

You will have heard of Madeleine McCann, who vanished from a holiday apartment in Portugal last May. Her comfortable home in Leicestershire, in the East Midlands, became the site of a media stakeout after her parents, Gerry, a cardiologist, and Kate, a GP, returned to Britain.
At this point in Madeleine's disappearance last year, £2.5 million had been raised, with contributions from Sir Richard Branson and J. K. Rowling. Celebrities including David Beckham publicly appealed and the McCanns had begun their sophisticated media strategy: daily briefings, a website, experienced representatives and eventually, a meeting with the Pope and the appointment of a private detective agency.

A distressed Kate McCann: lean, blonde and articulate, clutching her daughter's soft toy and wearing a yellow ribbon of hope, was the figurehead from the outset. Amid accusations of police incompetence, the McCanns were declared suspects but have never been charged. A commentator in the Daily Mail wailed: "This kind of thing doesn't usually happen to people like us."

It was two weeks after Shannon's disappearance before her mother, 32, was put before the television cameras. With no make-up, hair askew, wearing a T-shirt saying "Help find Shannon", Ms Matthews looked the essence of working-class Britain. She, too, clutched her daughter's teddy bear and tearfully appealed for information. But Shannon did not make the front pages. In the first 16 days of Madeleine's disappearance, 519 articles were written about her in Britain. By Wednesday, 16 days after Shannon went missing, she had received 111 mentions.


A former Daily Mirror editor and media commentator with The Guardian, Roy Greenslade, appraises public perception and media judgement. "The mother (Karen Matthews) is unsympathetic. This is a dysfunctional family, and people feel, 'Does she not bring this upon herself? Is she not the author of her own misfortune?' " He says Ms Matthews represents an underclass that Daily Mail readers and their like cannot and do not want to relate to.
But the McCanns, he says, with their seemingly respectable lives, represent the aspirations of Middle England. "It shouldn't matter. But it does. This is a really difficult thing for editors. They don't like talking about this aspect because it really does betray the unspoken way they make their mind up."

This is not what Gordon Brown had hoped for Britain under his reign. In his first Labour Party conference address as Prime Minister in September, he said: "A class-free society is not a slogan but in Britain can become a reality … I stand for a Britain that supports as first-class citizens not just some children and some families, but (that) supports all children and all families."

He may have a long way to go. In a Guardian/ICM poll in October, nearly 90% of respondents said people were still judged by their class. The poorest were most aware of its influence, with 55% saying that class, not ability, affected the way they were judged.

But there has been a backlash. In radio talkback and online forums, people are criticising the perceived media prejudice. In a forum on the Government's family support website, one parent said that the McCanns were neglectful by leaving their children alone in the apartment when Madeleine disappeared: "If they were from a sink council housing estate, and looked like (the boorish Little Britain character) Vicky Pollard, the press would have been screaming for their blood."

Julie Bushby, who chairs the tenants association on the estate where Shannon lives, said: "Listen, we're not pissed out of our trees or high as a kite all the time, like they associate with council estates. Ninety per cent of people here work."

A major difficulty has been a lack of funding to put into a PR campaign for Shannon. Greenslade points out that the coverage of Madeleine has been disproportionate; that she disappeared in a foreign country during the northern summer "silly season" when news dries up. But, he concedes, appearances do count: where there is a multitude of images and video footage of Madeleine to run on TV and websites, there is one stark school photo of Shannon, and grainy CCTV footage of her leaving the swimming pool. "One doesn't want to be rude about the Matthews family," he says. "But cuteness, prettiness, beauty does play a part. The most important thing there (for media attention) is the image."

But pretty or not, underclass or Middle England, even the greatest level of public awareness and sympathy may not win either of these little girls back to their desperate families.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/world/two-mothers-two-lost-girls-one-class-system/2008/03/07/1204780112926.html

283 comments:

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Rosiepops said...

Helen

No I haven't posted on her site.

When I do post there which is not very often, I post under my own ID as I am not ashamed of what I have to say and I do not mind others knowing.

She always deletes my posts though.

It appears she is so worried by this blog that she has to try and disrupt it by becoming an impostor too!

Sad really I am not even annoyed, I just pity her and find her funny.

Rosiepops said...

Night Sassy

sleep well see you tomorrow if I still have a roof! lol xxx

Anonymous said...

Rosie, it would appear then that she was replying to you through her blog not wanting to slip up again. Saying in other words that she couldn't care less if you had her identity/ip address.
By the way what is an IP address?

chinadoll said...

Goodnight Tulip & Sassy.

Godbless.

Mum21 said...

Rosie. Do you know how to track down where an IP address comes from?

chinadoll said...

Janegt,

Thanks the for lovely gallery of pets - really cute.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Dianeh, I agree, I posted earlier Madeleines abduction had all the ingredients for a sensational storyline set to grab the attention of the world. A newpapers dream!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Night Tulip. Hope to see you again.

SeaWitch said...

Sassy, if you're still awake, yes, I agree with you, and that was part of what I was saying - Karen Matthews has had a much easier ride than Kate McCann so, if anything, so-called class has been a disadvantage.

Diane,that is a very good point and I also agree with you. I think the case of Azaria Chamberlain should have been a salutary lesson to all those people who have spent the last 10 months trashing the McCanns.

No purpose has been served by it, so why do it? They claim to give Madeleine a voice, but I really don't think a 4 year old would want to use her voice that way.

Anonymous said...

sassy p

fall asleep somewhere soft to stop keyboard implants on your forhead...again.....

night night

HI CHINA AND SEAWITCH CLAN TOGETHER AGAIN. GOOD STUFF.

tulip

the word 'teetering' is Scottish is it not? Are you Scottish? Just asking coz I am.

lovely word that.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Helenm, I'm glad you asked, I dont have a scooby either what an IP address is!

chinadoll said...

Absolutely Seawitch

and hello to you.

Anonymous said...

chinadoll

glad you got the pets, just to recompense you for your valiant effort with vile's foul mouthed parrot.

tee hee

wysiwyg

;o))

what a hoot.....

Anonymous said...

Jane, teetering is what I do when I have heels on!!

Anonymous said...

Mum21

was wondering how you were doing weather wise today....I would hate to be without power as well as hideous weather. I hope that doesn't add to your misery. but you have a log fire don't you? so you could do a girl guide thing with fire toast and beans and kettles for tea. ;o)

Hope it passes you by. You live in a beautiful part of the country. Lucky you.

Rosiepops said...

I have just posted this on Alsabelia's blog. she is such a liar has numerous IDs and I think as well as the 6 we knew she had on the DX she had plenty of others too.
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Rosiepops said...
Alsabelia

you should care, because you have been proven to be a liar yet again. You haven't even the courage of your own convictions. You come on our blog as Anonymous and sign off as Marla, pretending to be someone you are not. (But then you are good at that kind of pretence)
Then because you are not as smart as you like to think you are you forget to click on Anonymous and your name comes up, you quickly delete it because you do not want everyone to see what a liar you are, but have no idea that I have my email set to see who is posting instantly and of course I click on your profile and it leads me to here and to you.

if that isn't bad enough you then register as me to disrupt our blog and start making spiteful comments to other people, like they wouldn't know it wasn't you! Again you show your dimwitedness you have no avatar and I have.

But here is the rub, I now have your IP address.

Alsabelia, you believe your own hype,liars and frauds often do, you think we are stupid, you think I am stupid, wrong Alsabelia, I am far from stupid.

Not that I have posted under my own ID.

I expect you will delete this, but I will make sure people see it.

10 March 2008 23:39

SeaWitch said...

Hi, China, glad to see you finally got a google account - everyone thought you'd got lost in the ether!

Jane, hello. Not one word of abuse for me? You're slacking, girl! ;-)

Anonymous said...

helen m that used to be my excuse now I teeter in bare feet.....

no hope for me is there????

;o)))

dianeh said...

I took a look back at last night's page and see that Calcite was indeed defending an attack.

I couldnt be bothered going to the other place to see what was left ont there. Sometimes I go and check but usually only on Alsa's blog, as she posts articles taken from the portugese press. She has one up for today, about Mari Luz and the autopsy. Strange that it is being reported in Portugal press but the autopsy results havent been released yet.

Rosiepops said...

Jane

did you know that the Anon baiting you earlier was Alsabelia?

dianeh said...

Rosie

Dont shoot me but how does someone steal your id? Also, are any of these posts still there. I didnt see them.

Just very curious.

Anonymous said...

sorry seawitch I am all out of abuse tonight, used it all up in one huge burst earlier on. so I will be nice.

I sometimes have a bin, and occasionally not, ...hmmmmm.

ROSIEPOPS What a well worded and firm challenge to Alsabelly. Well done you. That puts her gas to a peep, if not out. Good.

Rosiepops said...

Here is the copy of the posts she quickly deleted in the hope she did not get discovered when she made her error.

Don't worry Jane she showed herself up really nicely ;-)
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Madeleine McCann - Justice For ALL The Family] New comment on Two mothers, two lost girls, one class system.‏

From: alsabella (noreply-comment@blogger.com)
Sent: 10 March 2008 21:49:58


alsabella has left a new comment on your post "Two mothers, two lost girls, one class system":

Jane, you should be ashamed because you can't even get the blog you saw that on right!

Marla



Posted by alsabella to Madeleine McCann - Justice For ALL The Family at 10 March 2008 21:49

Anonymous said...

seawitch

you thought chinadoll got lost in the ether?

I thought she was eaten by that giant parrot. or sorse, by viv....

tee hee.

No, the chewed up one was NOT OUR CHINADOLL - NOT AT ALL.

;O)))

Anonymous said...

Rosiepops,
Sorry I didn't reply earlier, I was having dinner. Here are the posts.
She quickly deleted them, obviously.

Supertroll said...

Viv,

I am still waiting for a post or an email with the name of the investigating officer.

If you have indeed reported me to the police it is only fair to do this as I am sure they want to talk to me, and I definitely want to talk to them also.

If I don't get a name today, I will assume that your claims are false, like most of the claims in this blog.

Regards
ST

Felicity said...

Supertroll

You are sick and disgusting and I have told you before you are not welcome on this site and your posts will be deleted.

Currently, on top of everything else, you are spreading a malicious rumour that I have previously written, in derogatory terms about Jane Tomlinson which is utterly false and libellous. It was probably you! Would you care to put your "evidence" on your site - no I thought not!

You are a very sick person, even claiming to know paedophiles and their precise whereabouts in a small Spanish resort and you need help, urgently. I consider you are a grave danger to children.

Viv

Supertroll said...

Whatever Viv,

Can I have name of the investigating officer please?

I want to speed things up.
It is not unreasonable.

ST

Felicity said...

Supertroll

Go away YOU ARE NOT WANTED and do not keep demanding answers to the same question. I have already told you, just like the McCanns, you are not going to be given any details of investigations.

Viv

Supertroll said...

Viv,

Obviously you were lying when you said you went to the police, otherwise you would have given me a name by now.

What a silly fool you are, your credibility is reaching minus zero now.

Well, since you don't want to help speed up the investigation, I might just call ask tomorrow and ask them myself.

Regards
ST

Supertroll said...

But the police are so obviously looking for me!

You said you have reported me.
Or do we need rogatory letters?

ST

How much more pathetic can this woman be?
ST

Anonymous said...

YES ROSIEPOPS, I DO NOW KNOW IT WAS SHE. SHE WHO MUST (NOT) BE OBEYED. Alsabella/aka Marla/aka anon......aka..yhaawwwwwwnnnn.

HOW STUPID CAN YOU GET. SHE DOES NOT LIVE BY WHAT SHE HAS AS HER MANTRA DOES SHE. ''ANY OPEN HONEST NON ABUSIVE POSTS ARE WELCOME.'' HA HA SO SHE COMES HERE AS ANON/MARLA with her venom and bile.

LOSING ...GRIP...REALITY.....ETC COMES TO MIND.

POOR POOR SOUL.

WELL DONE IN YOUR FIRM STANCE. SHE HAS MORE THAN MET HER MATCH. HEE HEE ;O) GOOD FOR YOU.

This will be one post she does not copy and paste all over her blog......

chinadoll said...

Back again,

Got lost - don't know how?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Rosie, well, well, well what a show up, we always knew she was a liar and pretended to be something she isnt and now she has just demonstrated it. What a loser!

I'm off now, sorry it was a short visit, will catch up properly tomorrow. Take care everyone and be safe, nite all xx

Anonymous said...

SUPERTROLL

I think calling her bluff seems to have rattled her somewhat. She seems to report now every 3rd post, to all authorities she can name out of her head then if challenged 'forgets' to tell you???

Nonsense.

I think this is past pill treatment, it is electric shock and so on ...... certifiable.

dianeh said...

Hey

I cant blame Alsa for coming over here to look. After all it can get a bit boring when everyone agrees. But really she should post as herself.

I have only ever posted twice on Alsa's blog and that was as anonymous and that was just after this blog started. I never waste my time posting there now, got nothing to say to them. But as I said, I like to see if she has any new articles from Portugal, so I do visit them. But hardly ever read what the bloggers write.

chinadoll said...

Supertroll,

With respect, we all know that that specimen is a sick joker.

There is no more substance to her views, than Scotch Mist.

She is probably getting off on all the attention and I would like to stress the possibly part of that sentence. Would not like to post a libellous comment on here - enough said.

Anonymous said...

Night Tinks.

To all those computer buffs out there (Jane and Chinda doll spring to mind!!!) how come Alsabella is now lit up orange and not grey as before?

chinadoll said...

Helen,

Maybe she's got the Christmas lights on!!!

Anonymous said...

JanetGt

She has lost a lot of face today.

You should all be prepared for a ranting new post tomorrow.

They get worse if she feels under siege.

ST

Anonymous said...

Oh and Alsabella's post here?

Extremely pathetic

Both authors of the vile blogs have really shown themselves up today.

Excellent!
ST

Rosiepops said...

Well Marla/Alsabelia deleted the post as I knew she would
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Rosiepops said...
Alsabelia (Or should I call you Marla?)

I knew you would delete it that post.

Not brave enough to let everyone see what a disingenuous person you actually are Alsabelia?

Not satisfied with 9 IDs on the DX site you have to have several on these blogs too and you even have to pretend to be me to try and disrupt our blog.

Not a very nice person are you Alsabelia?

hee is a copy of your post yu made to Jane to try and goad her.
Is that what you do?Goad people so they come on here and tell you so and give you something to talk about?

And you and your sidekick Claudia have the audactiy act so superior and high and mighty to people?


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Madeleine McCann - Justice For ALL The Family] New comment on Two mothers, two lost girls, one class system.‏

From: alsabella (noreply-comment@blogger.com)
Sent: 10 March 2008 21:49:58


alsabella has left a new comment on your post "Two mothers, two lost girls, one class system":

***Jane, you should be ashamed because you can't even get the blog you saw that on right!

Marla ****



Posted by alsabella to Madeleine McCann - Justice For ALL The Family at 10 March 2008 21:49



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11 March 2008 00:03

chinadoll said...

Are you serious HelenM about your last post?

Rosiepops said...

Helen

It is a set of numbers from her Internet Provider.

Anonymous said...

looking forward to it already, but there's not much lower for them to go now. it's rock bottom already as far as I am concerned.

Lying tactics = lost total plot and whole argument already. Sad.

They think all on this blog old ladies, knitting, hags, etc ridiculous. we do not claim to be what we are not, but as she/they have, they can only lose big time when caught out as Rosiepops did tonight.....and showed them. Not that they posted it, naturally.

You sleep well and with clear conscience which they cannot do at all. see you tomorrow.

GOOD NIGHT MY FRIENDS, SEE YOU NEXT TIME.

take care keep warm
;o)))

Anonymous said...

China doll, serious about Alsabella now being orange, or about you and Jane being computer buffs?

If it's the latter then no one on this earth would believe that!!lol (JOKE) you join me in that respect, I just about know how to turn the computer on.
Hope I have not upset you.

dianeh said...

Just a quick question, is there a lower age limit on this blog to make sure that some of us are not too young to be considered hags, knitting circle etc.

After all, I am only 43 and have 2 toddlers. I dont want to be here under false pretences.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for that Rosie, still no wiser will have to look that up.

Goodnight Jane, sleep well.
Off to bed myself, goodnight Rosie, China doll, supertroll, Seawitch, Diane

chinadoll said...

Helen,

Sorry, you sounded a bit strange and I thought you always signed in as HelenM with a capital M.

Well, it would appear that me, you and janegt (terribly bad grammar) should, in future, sign in as the three musketeers lol.

If your as daft and inefficient with this damned machine as I am, then, then that explains everything lol.

Did you see Dadto03's posts earlier?

Sly sneaky toe-ag.

Anonymous said...

Rosiepops,

Where do you get the ip number from?

ST

Rosiepops said...

I have noticed that too Helen, maybe she has been tango'd?

Doesn't matter I know why she does that too.

Thing is she believes her own hype that er are stupid underlings and she is superior in everything and she just showed herself up big time. Those people that post on her blog do not realise they are all be patronised and spoken to in such a condescending fashion that I really do not understand how they have not seen it for themselves! Can't be that thick surely?

Anonymous said...

China doll may have used capital sometimes before I got google account, I have many senior moments. Thankfully now with the google I don't need to think!!
Sorry didn't see Dad2three's post, was it on here?

Rosiepops said...

Supertroll

I will email you tomorrow with an address.

dianeh said...

China

Who cares whether or not you have a degree in IT? You managed to get on here. That;s all that counts.

dianeh said...

Rosie

The underlings just ignore the things they dont want to see or that they dont agree with, exactly as they do for everything concerning the McCanns.

Anonymous said...

had to reply helen M

how dare you how jollly dare you I am naturally no computer buff, I am

a computer duff.

it shows

and am proud of it.

forgot to say goodnight to you Helen, Chinadoll, Seawitch Roiepops, Supertroll and Mum21 if still on and anyone I forgot, I am sorry.

See you tomorrow.

nail down hatches for the onslaught.

ps my last post was for reply mainly to supertroll and others too.......brain asleep fingers following......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Rosiepops said...

Hi SeaWitch

They clain to give Madeleine a voice, but would Madeleine want to abuse her parents like this?

I still haven't given up hope on her, I still have this feeling that she is in Portugal and it just will not budge!

dianeh said...

Nice talking to you tonight but I am having a sick day from work, really am quite sick and think I will go an lie down.

Good night to you all, and sleep safe, especially those of you where that wild wild weather is. (Note, I really am from Aust, I watched the UK Sky news this morning).

Anonymous said...

Rosiepops,

Thank you.

It really does not take that much of an effort to show up these fools.

Some even do it themselves without prompting.
How kind of them.

ST

Rosiepops said...

Jane

what are you sorry for?

No need!

Rosiepops said...

good night Diane

Sleep well and I hope you feel better soon, take care xxx

chinadoll said...

Diane,

I know, I feel like such a clever girl, but actually, I cannot take credit for it. Hubby got pi..ed off with me moaning (doing a hope job) that he sorted it out for me without my consent or approval.

Bless him.

Anonymous said...

Goodnight Janet,

Will talk to you again tomorrow.

Regards
ST

chinadoll said...

Hey Diane,

You take care.

Rosiepops said...

Diane

and I agree with your post too, they do only see things they want to see. I am sure most of these people are reasonable people and in while will look back at all this and wonder how on earth they could have allowed themselves to have behaved so badly and so viciously.
I hope they will be able to forgive themselves, I do not think that I could forgive myself that easily!

Rosiepops said...

Good night

China, Jane, Mum, Supertroll, seaWitch

Sleep well take care xxx

God Bless Madeleine xxx God Bless Shannon xxx

xxx May God be with little Mari-Luz and give her family the strength they need to get through this terrible time, my hear and my love goes out to them all xxx

chinadoll said...

I've just twigged on what the bin is for.

The earlier comments that were deleted by 'the author,' are IMO the ones that are the topic of the conversation.

Appear with a comment, then delete or self explode?

Anonymous said...

Goodnight Rosie.

Sleep well.

ST

SeaWitch said...

Goodnight, everyone, take care and see you all aghain soon x

Rosiepops said...

Just so that you know. after Alsabella/Marla was outed as a liar and a nasty spiteful trouble maker on here tonight, she turned her profile off so we could not see that it was her.

Thing is Alsabelia/Marla

Everyone had seen before you turned it off!

Nice try!

here is a tip

When in a hole STOP digging.

calcite51 said...

Hi, ladies - I see I'm all by myself again tonite.

Read your comments, all good - and I think the following:

IMHO - when a missing child case becomes a major news story, USUALLY, after it is over with, there are major improvements made to assist in the recovery of all children. And I think when a missing child becomes a headline, she/he is representative for all the missing children. Look at how many pedophile rings were busted when they looking for Madeleine.

calcite51 said...

Oh, by the way, Diane - I can't knit a stitch if you paid me. I have done needlepoint, does that count? Oh, and I can't sew.

And yes, Helen, Viv/Felicity was really on last nite - I did do most of the talking but she occasionally made a comment.

calcite51 said...

HelenM - don't know what happened to her comments - Rosie or maybe Viv/Felicity must have deleted them - it does sound like I'm rattling off to myself -(well I was the only one making any kind of sense).

calcite51 said...

Tulip and Chinadoll - welcome to the blog.

dianeh said...

Hi Calcite

sorry to see you were here by yourself again.

Very valid points about the aftermath of high profile abduction/abuse cases involving children. The Amber alert springs to mind (not sure if we even have one in Aust, was talk of it but dont know if it has been introduced, we have problems between our states and policing is a state matter). Hopefully, something like this will be introduced throughout Europe. And a universal paedophile register and DNA register would also be a good thing.

And I had a little giggle to myself when I read your posts from last night. Well done.

Take care.

calcite51 said...

I have now diligently read everyone's comments - Mum21 - please stay safe and if for one moment you don't feel safe - leave your residence - go someplace safe - the house can be replaced but not Mum21.

God bless you all, take care.

calcite51 said...

Hi, Diane - am still on - I was going to sign off but I know you are sick - how are you feeling?

Last nite was an experience! I could not believe it - I e-mailed Rosie 3 notes - telling her we're under attack - where are the blog monitors? And could I please have her cell phone.

My husband was reading the e-mails we were sending (Viv/Felicity and I) were sending to each other - couldn't believe it when he read the one that said we were supporting pedophiles.

calcite51 said...

I agree completely about the register for paedophiles and sex offenders (I think in Canada we spell it pedophiles - probably the american version). We also have the amber alert. It doesn't always save a child but sometimes it does.

calcite51 said...

In a way, I was kinda of hoping that Viv/Felicity would come back tonight to rant - she told me she wouldn't trust me with a pet rat - and today I thought of a wonderful reply, I would say to her, "Are you talking about your husband? Thanks, but no thanks I have my own rat."

dianeh said...

H Calcite

Just wandered past the computer again. Im not really feeling very well at all.

Its kind of funny when you think about it,that Felicity/Viv I mean. She accuses us of all sorts of things but her blog is disgraceful. I try to look at our blog with an open mind and although we do give the 'others' a hard time, it doesnt even compare to the torrid, vile things that get posted on the other sites.

And lets be realistic, who really cares about insults from a nameless faceless blogger. I know I dont. And by the look of it, neither do you.

calcite51 said...

Diane - There is a bad flu going around - I was off last week for 2 1/2 days. Go see the doctor if you're not feeling better - don't take any chances - you have two little ones and they need their mom.

See Asobella (some one called her that on her site tonight - she corrected them) has removed her anonymous button.

No, it didn't bother me the name calling - I was overtired and fed up with the attitude she showed up with. She came in with an attitude to intimidate - and all I could think about was "Bring it on".

I think I get more upset when they pick on the McCanns - that infuriates me to no end.

calcite51 said...

You know, just before DE shut down their HYS forum on Madeleine - I got into a scrap with one of the antis. Ended up calling her a bee with an itch - the comment needless to say was reported and deleted. That day I had a lot of posts that were deleted.

Maybe, just maybe it was my fault and after that I complained to the Find Madeleine - I think I wrote to Clarence and said it was disgusting what was being said and what the McCanns were being accused of.

calcite51 said...

Diane - if you're still up:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91248-1308414,00.html

old news but some good comments in here.

calcite51 said...

Forget about that link - a lot of sick, angry, negative people in the world - the first few I read were pretty good.

Alsobella' site has the anonymous button now.

calcite51 said...

Maybe she figured you had all gone to bed. The fun I could have....

larah said...

I have been reading these blogs since you started and prior to that the Express HYS. What went on on there was amazing at times, and I must admit to being much too scared to join and post anything!
I have posted on Supertrolls site a couple of times but finally got the courage tonight to do so here.

It's quite interesting reading everyones take on what could have happened to Madeleine,although there are some very scary people out there claiming to know a lot of stuff that simply coudln't be possible. There are also some very scary people out there that appear to be quite out of their minds - watched too many crime shows on tv maybe?! (Not on this site, though I must add!)

In reality none of us know what happened to Madeleine. I don't think I've seen anyone say that the McCanns did a good thing when they left the children that night, and indeed Kate herself has stated, I think, that they can't believe they thought it was safe to leave the kids alone. I wouldn't leave my kids alone in my home country of NZ, let alone in Portugal or any other foreign country for that matter.

However, the constant attacks on and questioning of the McCanns professionalism, their parenting, and their honesty must be heart breaking for both Kate and Gerry, Kate more so I suspect, as she was one of the most professional people I knew during her time out here.

Anyway this wasn't supposed to turn into an essay!!!

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Hiya Calcite

Shame about the time difference!

See ya later!

Anonymous said...

Welcome, Kiwi girl. I know what you mean, it can seem quite intimidating to actually post, but rest assured that your comments are welcome. It's always nice to get another slant/viewpoint. As I'm sure you are aware most of the posters keep european times, but we do have Diane and I think Calcite who are around same time as you.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Kiwi Girl

You are very welcome here.

I have seen a couple of posts by you on Supertroll's site and thought they were excellent and well put.

We have a couple of other posters Calcite and Diane who post roughly from the same time zone as you. But we all manage at one point to be on the board at the same time.

Very lively people post here and we try and give the McCann's a voice, where they have been cruelly gagged by the Portuguese police, who appear to have selective memories where their own secrecy law is concerned.

You are right none of us know anything about this, all any of us know is that Madeleine is missing and the PJ gave up looking for her very early on when they became fixated with blaming these parents and then proceeded to release a whole load of bizarre killing theories off the record to the Portuguese press. This of course started this dreadful witch hunt off that we see today and if the PJ do not like it then tough they say the truth hurts. I believe that the PJ have acted in a deplorable and totally unprofessional incompetent.

Great to see you post Kiwi Girl and hope to see many more posts from you.

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