Saturday 1 March 2008

Madeleine McCann: You are all guilty

The public is to blame for the heartless abuse being heaped on Kate McCann. The internet has blurred the lines of news and hearsay and the result is trial by global gossip

India Knight

Do you find yourself strangely drawn to articles about the McCanns? I do. It’s not edifying: most of us are uncomfortably aware that the slender line where personal tragedy becomes popular entertainment was crossed some time ago. But, like every other person in the country, the story is permanently at the back of my mind.

I want to stop reading, listening, watching, Googling, amateur sleuthing; I nauseate myself with my own prurience. My appetite for commentary – which is all that’s left, in the absence of hard facts – has been sated many times over. But I can’t stop.

Did they do it? They couldn’t have. And yet . . . And if they did do it, do they have superhuman powers, such as invisibility and Oscar-worthy acting skills? And if they didn’t, and are innocent and probably bereaved, what in God’s name have we done to them?

By that “we”, I don’t for once mean the (British) press, which seems to me, despite its inevitable mawkish descents into sentimentality, to have acted pretty responsibly. The press has urged caution, expressed compassion and been reluctant to judge the McCanns, if not the apparently sham-bolic Portuguese police.

No, by “we”, I mean the public. Forget that old chestnut “I blame the media”: now that everyone has an opinion and an embarrassment of outlets in which to express it, “I blame the public” is going to become the refrain of the coming decades. There is no shortage of online places where people may freely and anonymously air their opinions, even if their opinions are vile or demented or both; and there are millions of these newly voluble people. They have made it all right to say unspeakable things, to air the most shameful thoughts, always to think the worst, and never to give anyone a chance.

With the McCann story, this has, for the first time, resulted in a complete blurring of the boundaries between news and gossip. Sky News lists Madeleine McCann as a “category” on its interactive content screen: news, business, sport, Madeleine.

We have been here before with appalling crimes that grip the nation – we may have discussed, say, the James Bulger case among ourselves, watched the news and read the headlines, but then the news was on twice a day, the headlines came only in the morning, and the internet barely existed.

Now we have streaming information, an unstoppable torrent of truth, fiction, theory and gossip that is accessible 24 hours a day. The result is that, incredible as it may sound, there is, online (and the real world is catching up quickly), little difference in the tone of the remarks about Britney Spears’s failed comeback, and the comments made about Kate McCann, despite the fact that one is a pop star and the other the mother of a missing girl who may be dead. But there is no thought for Kate McCann’s suffering in the deluge of abuse heaped upon her; the McCanns’ local newspaper’s support website in Leicester-shire had to be closed.

We seem to have lost track of why Kate McCann’s picture-editor-pleasing face – blonde, thin, wounded, Diana-like – is in the papers in the first place. By orchestrating the kind of media campaign more usually associated with a multi-million-pound film or music launch, the McCanns have catapulted themselves into the gossip fodder league. That means suffocating 24/7 media interest; it means your choice of earrings is going to be scrutinised and discussed by millions of strangers – it means you have declared open season on yourself when it comes to public consumption.

But the public doesn’t just consume: it devours. And once you’ve invited it in, it doesn’t sit down politely and make small talk: it makes itself at home and rifles through your underwear drawer. You can’t ask it to leave, to “respect your privacy”. It’s there for the duration. If the McCanns are innocent, and even if they aren’t, it may well cause them to lose their sanity.

Despite popular thinking about journalists “making things up”, the traditional media are regulated. Things have to stand up from every angle. Facts matter. We have lawyers; we try not to libel or slander; to keep objective. The public, through the internet, can – and does – say anything, no matter how degrading or toxic, and keeps on saying it until, by a sort of insane osmosis, it stops being an outright lie and becomes a half-truth.

The theory that Kate McCann, a doctor, accidentally oversedated her daughter, causing death, has existed on the internet for months. People write about it LIKE THIS, in indignant capitals, as if it were so obvious as to be a given, and as though they were explaining something simple and obvious to somebody mulishly stupid who refused to see the truth staring them in the face. Behind the capitals, you can almost feel their quickening breath and their peculiar excitement as they comprehensively trash the reputation of a grieving woman who is a stranger to them. Power to the people!

Things are ugly out there – there aren’t many things uglier than gossip about infanticide, which is what this story has become, and why it feels so extraordinary. But they have been ugly from the start.

The news of Madeleine’s disappearance broke on a Friday evening. I wrote about it the following morning, assuming – naively, in retrospect – that people’s default mode would be compassion or pity. By Sunday evening my e-mail inbox was full. A handful of the e-mails agonised on the McCanns’ behalf. The greater part more or less said, “If you leave small children alone to go and eat tapas, you deserve everything that’s coming to you.”

I know from colleagues on other newspapers that they had the same angry reaction, which they also found themselves disconcerted by.

I’ll get back to the tapas point, because it’s central to the whole thing, with opinion dividing into people who see leaving a child as stupid, but not the world’s greatest crime – such people are broadly sympathetic to the McCanns – and people who find it inexcusable, criminal and indicative of all sorts of dark possibilities. This latter group is among the 17,000 who signed an online petition recommending that Leices-tershire social services take into care the McCanns’ remaining two children, Sean and Amelie.

The petition was not set up in the past week or so when things became murkier and question marks started mushrooming, but in May, when all we knew of Kate and Gerry McCann was that they seemed hollow-eyed with grief. The McCann story may end up being about the death of empathy.

So here we are, obsessed, in the throes of one of those weird national seizures; sitting in judgment, wallowing in what the novelist Philip Roth (apropos Bill Clinton’s infidelity) memorably called “the ecstasy of sanctimony”. The woman at the checkout at Tesco has a view, as does the dinner party guest. The hitherto unsayable – “Do you think they killed their own child?” – has become commonplace. You hear it everywhere. We’re gossiping about a four-year-old child who may be dead, or abducted and raped, or both, and there are no holds barred any more. What brutal thing does this say about us?

It’s always risky attempting to analyse the nation’s psyche based on one apparently seismic event: often, when everything settles down, you realise that underneath all the emoting, there wasn’t anything terribly unexpected happening. One thinks of the death of Diana, Princess of Wales: all that was going on was that everyone felt sad and shocked, and then got over it.

But the national fixation with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, and the incendiary emotions it has provoked, is another thing altogether. It isn’t to do with empathy, because it seems to be thin on the ground. Prurience, yes; ghoulish curiosity, certainly – but there are, alas, dozens of hideous crime stories to pick from: why focus so obsessively on this one? Sentimentality, because of the involvement of a small, photogenic child? Perhaps at first – though much of the public commentary on this story is so condemnatory that sentiment doesn’t seem to come into it.

That says something peculiar about our monstrous appetite for this tragedy – because, no matter what happened or who did what, a much-loved child has vanished.

Much of our fixation has to do with fear, and with the public’s desire to “own” a story. Within 24 hours of her disappearance, Madeleine McCann had become “Maddie”, as though we all knew her. Aside from what she looked like, we knew nothing about her whatsoever – not what toys she liked, “Cuddle Cat” aside, or what her favourite book was, or what she liked eating, or wearing (I am sorry to use the past tense, and mean nothing by it; the present tense looks even odder).

But in those early days of the investigation, she became a version of all of our children, a blank to superimpose our own child’s face onto as we peered into the abyss. This was, of course, terrifying: the idea that an ordinary-seeming family could go on holiday and have a child vanish into thin air was more than most of us could cope with.

The natural human instinct, when faced with a terrible fear, is to list the things that make us different from the victims of the frightening situation, and in this particular case there were few. Much was made at the time of the McCanns’ social class (working class gone middle), and of the fact that if a single mother from a housing estate had gone out on the razz and left her child alone, sympathy would be in short supply. This is another way of saying that if a person is recognisably different from us, the bad thing that happened to them couldn’t possibly happen to us. The problem with the McCanns is that they were so terrifyingly normal-seeming, so middle-classly resonant, with their neat Boden-esque clothes and their responsible jobs and their three little children.

How to differentiate ourselves from them, and thereby reassure ourselves that their misfortune would never be ours? By focusing obsessively on the one questionable thing they did: leaving their children alone in a strange place. Phew – instant relief. “I’d never do that,” the thought process went. “I’m safe. My children will never be harmed.”

This is clutching at straws, frankly – as everyone surely knows by now, children who come to harm usually come to harm from a person known to them, more often than not in their own home. But we chose to clutch at this one particular straw, hence, I think, the disproportionate outpouring of vitriol against Kate McCann, who, regardless of her guilt or innocence, was, is and will continue to be punished because she had the temerity to seem so much like us.

She has also (more straws) been accused of seeming “unfeeling”, of looking “too groomed” (“I’d look a mess, therefore we’re not the same, therefore it could never happen to me”), of seeming strangely “calm” (or tranquillised, surely?), of, basi-cally, not falling to her knees screaming like an animal in pain – it’s “Show us you care, Ma’am” all over again.

In some internet chatrooms and message boards, women bitch about Kate McCann for not reacting exactly like them – not that they’d know how they’d react in her situation, since they have never been in it. No matter: weird, isn’t it, how she seems so composed – and let’s not call it composure, let’s call it “arrogance” (this from the country that invented the stiff upper lip). Must make her a child killer, and not have anything to do with being told that visible distress might give pleasure to a hypothetical abductor.

And why are her clothes nice? Who thinks about clothes at a time like this? Why does she wash her hair? Couldn’t she wear rags, or sackcloth and ashes? Or – any day now – tar and feathers? And what was that nonsense with the Pope? (Who’d have thought the devout Catholic/Pope combination would be so perplexing and aggravating to so many people?)

Our fascination also exists because this story is centrally concerned with what many people perceive as a failure of parenting, a topic we are obsessed by as a nation. We are, collectively, eaten up with anxiety about raising our children. It’s a relatively new thing – people just used to have children and get on with it – and is reflected by the deluge of television programmes, books and publications devoted to how to be a parent.

Women, especially, have become almost pathologically insecure on the subject: am I a bad person if I bottle-feed; have I failed if I have a caesarean; do I harm my children by going out to work; have they got enough friends; do they sleep too much or too little; do they eat enough super-foods and fish oils; do they need to learn Mandarin; do they play outside enough; and so on and on.

With that insecurity comes the strongest desire to judge, as a means of self-reassurance: you see it every day in the ongoing working mothers versus stay-at-home ones debate. “Well, she barely sees her children because she’s in the office all day, so I’m better than her and my children will be happier” versus “She’s going out of her mind with boredom because she’s stopped working, so I’m better than her” – nobody can win, and the crazy thing is that nobody needs to: it’s hardly a competition.

Into this comes Kate McCann, who admits to a failure of parenting, to doing a stupid thing, and we fall on her like a pack of hyenas, weirdly pleased to leave behind our own failings and insecurities for a minute and concentrate on hers.

The fact is that while I would never leave small children alone, I know dozens of people who routinely do, and I do not find them irresponsible, just tired.

There are so many of them that a whole service industry has built up around them: “family” hotels with a baby-listening service where someone cocks an ear at the bedroom door every now and then while harassed parents try to grab the semblance of a date together in the dining room; holidays, like the McCanns’, with kids’ clubs attached, where children are parked with what amounts to a stranger while parents try to sunbathe in peace for a couple of hours; skiing trips where the chalet comes complete with a random nanny; gyms with crèches; restaurants with some weird bloke in a clown suit “entertaining” the children in another room; and so on.

A certain section of society routinely leaves their children in the care of somebody else whom they don’t know terribly well, no matter what the nanny agency has murmured soothingly about police checks. You can think what you like about this, but it is a fact of middle-class life, trying to reconcile loving your children with still having a life of your own, and an omnipresent source of anxiety for many people – if it weren’t, you couldn’t buy teddies with cameras hidden in them to check up on your child carer, and many women wouldn’t have the unpleasant niggling feeling that they don’t entirely trust their nanny to bring up their child.

The McCanns were foolish and wrong to leave three small children – babies, really – alone in a strange apartment. But doesn’t the subsequent calamity override the initial human error? Apparently not: only a fifth of Britons think they are completely innocent, according to a poll for this paper today. And 76% think they were wrong to leave them alone. And yet we all take risks: you take a risk every time you let a child out of your sight, every time they board a bus or a train, every time they’re a bit evasive about their whereabouts. If your house is burgled and you stupidly didn’t switch on the burglar alarm, does that mean you deserved it? Does it make your distress, your sense of violation and the loss of your goods any less significant?

Meanwhile, with hideous inevitability, the focus has shifted to Kate McCann’s being “volatile”. She “visi-bly lost control” while being questioned for 11 hours, we are told. It’s such a depressingly familiar scenario: a woman in an untenable situation is pushed to breaking point, and then when she does lose it – as lose it she will, because she’s not a robot or a monster – her sane response to an insane, unbearable set of circumstances becomes evidence with which to condemn her.

Impound her diary, call in all lap-tops: she must have done it if she shows any feelings. And she must have done it if she doesn’t. QED: she’s had it either way.

We are now told, by Portuguese newspapers who claim to have published extracts, that her diary, which the police want to see, shows she “struggled to control Madeleine”, that her children were “hyperac-tive”, and that looking after them exhausted her.

She also allegedly wrote that her husband left her to look after them too much on her own. Show me a woman with three children under four who doesn’t express the same frustrations, and I’ll show you an improbability. But even this utterly normal maternal response to child-care – it’s knackering, I wish he’d help out more – is being used as an indication of Mrs McCann’s “instability”.

And the people who’ve been there and ought to be able to sympa-thise – other women – are the ones sharpening their knives. As Madeleine Albright, the former US secretary of state, once said: “There is a special place in hell for women who don’t help other women.” If that is so, hell must have got pretty crowded over the past four months.

The McCanns did themselves no favours when they embarked, deliberately, on a gigantic, modern publicity campaign. And that has contributed in no small part to making this case seem so compelling now. It is hard to criticise their original motive for hyping up the publicity, but in the process the McCanns unwittingly turned themselves into a soap opera: available to view on a screen near you 24 hours a day.

As I write, there are reports that they’re looking for a new, bigger “campaign manager” to try to stem the tide of negative comment. (In what world did Gerry McCann think it was a good idea to put in an “appearance” at the Edinburgh television festival?) But it’s too late. The tide won’t be stemmed and the appointment of a Max Clifford figure will make things worse, not better. Every soap needs a baddie and since we seem to have forgotten that we’re not, in fact, watching a brilliantly scripted and plotted episode of Portuguese Holiday, it was only a matter of time before the goodie turned bad.

What a twist! How compelling! More, more. Give me the inside story. One of these mornings, we’re going to wake up and see just how ghastly a part our own voyeurism has played in all of this. At least, I hope we are.

Vitriolic rants of the online rabble

IF you haven’t read what is on the internet about the McCanns you wouldn’t believe it. Here are a few examples of the kind of vitriol out there. Trawling through the sites to find these quotes is like a trip through the darkest recesses of people’s most ungenerous minds.

- ‘I never believed in your pain – the Find Madeleine McCann website

- Kate McCann is an ineffectual, weak and total washout of a mother and probably mentally unbalanced. Pathetic woman should never have had kids if she couldn’t cope – Mulderx, Mirror forum

- Gerry McCann does come across as a thug to me. I have no idea if wifey is involved but either way she is still as guilty as sin for leaving her children alone – Halibutswift, Mirror forum

- The McGrubs are terrible examples of parenting and should be prosecuted. At the very least, they should have to attend parenting classes. The day you put tapas and alcohol before the health and wellbeing of your offspring is a very bad day!!!! – Dr Kildare, HaloScan

- The people who must shoulder the burden of responsibility for the Maddie disappearance are Gerry and Kate McCann. If they did it, they are sick and evil and deserve to rot for ever. If they didn’t, they let her down by being selfish and indulging in their own pleasures leaving her alone and vulnerable – Val, Skynews

- The parents are a disgrace. They were on the razz every night after leaving their children in the crèche all day every day. Much wanted children? More like little fashion statements that they couldn’t be bothered to look after properly. The children unfortunately got in the way of their “me time” – Proud Parent UK, Alpha Mummy

- These people are doctors and in their professional lives would not hesitate to point the “abuse” finger at any other parent who left their children alone like they did. They should hang by their own noose – Arthur, Alpha Mummy

- I do think the McCanns have acted somewhat oddly throughout this investigation – particularly the mother. I can’t quite see it as natural for a mother in her position to make one of her immediate priorities in the days immediately following the disappearance of her daughter a visit to the Pope – without her remaining children – Krazykoolkazza, Mumsnet

- Even female doctors are subject to domestic abuse whether it be mental, physical or psychological bullying. Kate looks to me to be very submissive to Gerry. Her eyes dart towards him when the couple are questioned by the media. It’s as though she can’t speak up for herself. The running is another strange one. I’m a keep fit nut but the last thing on my mind would be to run if one of my kids were abducted. I would be spewing venom and ranting. – Ragna, Mirror forum’

www.timesonline.com

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Anonymous said...

Dope/Dad,
Noticed you were questioning the identity/qualifications of a previous DX poster, who was a pro McCann. This seems to be a bit of a pastime of yours. I remember reading that you were convinced I was someone called Reina and you were passing your gossip about me to all your chums.

Well, Dad, that was another own goal and even you must realise you got that wrong. You are good with your own goals Dad and I, for one, find you amusing for same.

You should not just visit here to do a bit of stirring dad, have you anything of substance to add the the ongoing discussion of Madeleine McCann?

Anonymous said...

I have an intolerance for psycho babble - it is amateur.

Sorry, couldn't resist a reply. I meant your other id - the real one:-)

Assassin. Goes without saying - my catchphrase - "Love with all your heart and pickaxe all %$&%tards"

or erm maybe its an anagram...

nis assa

or even...

sain ass

who knows, you figure it out. Please blink first so we know you are alive. Thankyou:-)

HTH:-):-):-)

Doppelganger said...

Jakirla,

Ouch!

See I hit a nerve.

By the way I always considered you to be a reasonable person.

But feel free to prove me wrong if you wish.

:0)

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

See you Jak! You never know - you may have some divine inspiration!

Christabel said...

Sass,
don't explain yourself,you have no need to.
Why are the other 2 blogs not questioned.
Its our honesty that is a claw in the side of some ofthe double posters.

Rosiepops said...

doppeldadder

You have a fake ID! And of course now we have each others email addresses or we would not have been able to communicate.

Note we did not keep advertising our blog on the DX unlike Vile and A we obeyed the rules, so we had to do it another way and it was really difficult, but we managed it.

I was one that was constantly accused of having multiple IDs not that I still post under this name and note that all those I was accused of being, post here too.

However, what do you think happened to felicity/onaclearday/bestest or Zephyr/Zodiac etc? They have nearly all disappeared because they were only one poster to begin with and incidentally what do you think of Alsabelia's six IDs? (that we know of) If I had done what she done I would never have heard the last of it.
Three posters I know of had other Ids and were very open about it and the reasons why, not so with the antis.

I think you are being extremely hypocritical, the posters that had the multiple IDs were mainly on your side of the fence.

Just because we disagreed with you your sides stat answer was to accuse of being each other or of being part of the McCann family.

And Claudia and Alsabelia were always telling each other they had mail on the DX forum and i know for a fact that you all had each other's email addresses and emailed each other because the DX emailed you all warning you about your conduct on the boards and sent the same copied email to all of you and it was your precious notdoc that blew that on the forum! So please do not accuse us of working as a team when you lot have been doing it for months.
Anyway why are we wasting time talking about this childish stuff? does it matter now? The DX is history.

Doppelganger said...

Sassy

Sorry, was busy talking to other people.

Is this your blog?

Rosiepops said...

Well said china

Mum21 said...

Doppelganger..Mum21 actually stands for Mum to one.
And it is the only ID I ever had on the DX.
Can you claim the same?

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Christabel

If you're talking about the post regarding the e-mails, I just didn't want anyone who sent their e-mail address to worry I was going to hand it out to anyone without asking - that's all.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Doppelganger

It's a team blog and I am one of the team.

Doppelganger said...

Chinadoll,

If this is Sassy's blog and I am stirring then if she asks me to leave I will leave.

As my posts the other night were not deleted and no one complained about them, I assumed that I had not 'overstepped the mark'

What you don't seem to have realised is that this is not the DE forum, it is someone's blog and the idea is not to frighten people away, it is to get as many people as possible to post here.

:0)

Christabel said...

Sass
I meant don't explain yourself to any of us.
We know how we got here, by fair means not back door tactics.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Anyway why are we wasting time talking about this childish stuff? does it matter now? The DX is history.

01 March 2008 21:58

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Bang on Rosie!!! It is certainly history for me!

Anonymous said...

Dope/Dad or whatever you want to call yourself today,

It was the very same psycho babble that prompted you to change your name and avatar, when posting on the DX forum.

I do not mind having a bit of a banter with you, but if you ever get as offensive as you were on the DX forum viz a viz the parents of Madeleine McCann, then I will refrain from polite banter and give my opinion of your twisted view.

Why are you here Dope/Dad.

You are not contributing to the discussion, but attempting to divert this forum to focus on you and that is not why I and others are here.

If you have a point to make, then make it, if not, then you know where you will be welcomed with open arms and I suggest you skulk off there?

assassin said...

I'm just wondering if the publication of some of the madeleine foundation emails might wake someone up as to their identity at all:-):-):-)

The content is very interesting indeed and it is coming right up public, sometime soon:-):-)

assassin said...

China Doll,
I think your name and some of your comments gives away a lot at times. Nothing detrimental at all - but something a bafoon might jump on if they had a sinister mind to misuse and misinterpret what they read - and were paranoid to boot.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Christabel

I know that, but I also know that passing on e-mail addresses was a matter of concern to some people. I actually got a níce couple of e-mails from Rothaymere (even though she knew it was me she was writing to) and she had got round the e-mail address problem by using a friend's! Thought that was dead funny - if you don't want to hand out your own e-mail, borrow a friend's! Rothaymere suddenly seemed more human after that!

Doppelganger said...

MumTo1,

What, you mean you don't have 21 kids?

Now I'm going to have to completely change my image of you.

Re: ID's

When I started 'innocently' posting on the DE forums I made the mistake of using a 'traceable' ID.

However, once I relized how many 'strange' people were posting there I took the precaution of creating a more secure ID for myself.

I have only ever had 2 ID's and I was never banned by the DE.

Sorry if that explanation is a bit boring, but I never claimed to be an 'exciting' person, at least I don't think I did.

:-)

Mum21 said...

assassin...I love the avatar. Just don't bring that axe down on my head if I post a comment below one of yours.....pretty please.

Mum21 said...

Doppelganger..so you LIED when you denied being Dadto3 then?

Anonymous said...

Assasin,

No problem, let them crack on with it.

Hello to you too Assasin.

Rosiepops said...

what do people think of Spinach and ricotta cannelloni?

assassin said...

You weren't banned cos you operated not openly and honestly - but erm like a solicitor?

Anonymous said...

Christabel,

Just saw you there, thank you for the welcome. Hope you are well.

I am probably posting out of sync, as trying to catch up on back posts, at the same time as reading current ones.

assassin said...

Precisely Chinadoll. Someone thought they were master of all - turns out they are jack on none ha ha!

Rosie!! Spinach? I'm a carnivore ha ha!

Rosiepops said...

Incidentally doppel I sussed you out immediately when you were trying to wind me up when you first started posting as doppel.

I became very good at sussing people's IDs out and I was only wrong a couple of times!

Where did Librarising go to? Libra the scales born when Libra was rising? So much info given away in that choice of name.

Doppelganger said...

Mum21

Where in my post to you did I say my other ID was DadTo3?

Doppelganger said...

Rosiepops,

You keep saying the letters don't exist and the PJ are not coming.

If this is not true, then you are lying.

I rest My case.

Rosiepops said...

Assasin please don't bring it down on my head either, I get the point honestly.

So you are not that keen of spinach and ricotta cannelloni then?

Anonymous said...

Dope/Dad and your multiple id's.

Total Bull.

As always, you were watching your back and after putting the knife in, you rose from the ashes and recreated yourself like a pheonix.

Not for the first time either.

In future, I will address you as Chameleon

Anonymous said...

sorry guys had to feed 'starving' daughter all of a sudden....again....

WHAT'S GOING ON HERE NOW???

Mum21 said...

Doppelganger..you never actually said it to me...but I do believe you did to another poster on the DX.
In fact at the time you changed ID's I was not actually posting on the DX. I took a 2 month break from it.

Rosiepops said...

Well don't rest your case to soon, because I never say they are not coming, I say that I don't think they will come, there is a difference.

I still do not 'think' they will come by the way and I do not lie either and the example you use is just semantics, born because you can neither find or think of anything I have said where I have knowingly told a lie.

Mum21 said...

I don't think they will come either Rosie.
I honestly think (and this is only my opinion)...the PJ are up a gum tree.

Anonymous said...

Janegt,

What is going on here?

Well, basically, Dope is doing a No Hope and whining like a whipped dog.

I think I should be considered as moderator material, cos I would just delete his drivel.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Am falling asleep here! It's been a long day. Hope to see you all here tomorrow!

Mum21 said...

Dear Mr Amaral saw to that by accusing the Leicestershire police of aiding and abetting the McCann's.
Is it any wonder they took him of the case...and fast?

assassin said...

dope,

im still waiting on a reply to all my posts to you. Are you very respectfully busy and away now - or are you pleading the 5th ammendment?

Anonymous said...

Rosiepops,

Do you think Dope has stopped talking to me, or is he just letting me have the last word as usual lol

Anonymous said...

moderators
fellow bloggers

we do not need at all in in way to justify our blog. It is up to visitors to post or not.....other blogs must be so vey dull if they are here. If trying to cause ructions, division or trouble they won't coz they can't. We are too ingrained now and have focus on what we are doing here and why

*******MADELEINE*******

dad23 keep your mischief away it won't work

Christabel said...

Nite and Bless Sass x

Think its a take over !

Rosiepops said...

Talking about the letters, where are they?

Apparently according to a Portuguese newspaper they are here (again) Yet I somehow doubt they are. I think this is some sort of ridiculous game being played by the PJ and if this is the sum of their abilities to detect, I cannot say that I am enthused or impressed.

Mum21 said...

Good Night Sassy
Sleep well

Anonymous said...

forgo to ask

was everyone else googled off last night?

tried as usual to post good night, but could not get in. Kept getting message to try again in few minutes, but after 40, gave up......

Was it the weather or site down?

Doppelganger said...

Sassy

Thanks for your reply,

I missed it initially cos I'm trying to have four conversations at once.

When I logged on earlier to read your blog all I could see was people discussing the other sites, disruption tactics and fake ID's etc.

I think this is a shame, because when I was here the other day people were actually discussing the case and were willing to debate points with me.

I know it is none of my business, but if you allow the site to go down that route, I think it will end up being entirely counter productive.

I did notice you and others 'ticking' someone off the other day. But they don't appear to have got the message. (Now I am stirring - promise I will 'behave' from now on.)

As to the other sites, it is becoming obvious that people have started posting on them posing as extreme 'antis' in order to discredit the blogs - now who would do something like that I wonder?

;-)

Mum21 said...

Rosie. They must be here because Alsabella says so. :-)

Rosiepops said...

China

I think he is exhausted, I must say I admire his tenacity for sticking at it with everyone firing things him.

He is probably thnking up an answer.

Anonymous said...

dad23

You posted 'I am talking to other people'...

can I ask are you on your own????

;o))))

Anonymous said...

Chameleon,

At the end of the day, you just cannot keep away from us, can you?

Perhaps you are not getting enough attention at home and have to look elsewhere.

Sorry about the psycho babble, just my take on things.

Rosiepops said...

Doppel

I get accused of things all the time, I just wished I had the time to do all the things I am accused of.

Mum

pmsl of course they are here the Queen said so, now how could I doubt it?

Anonymous said...

dad23

yes you did.....dad23

'never claimed to be an exciting person>'''''

Look back. You are a brain surgeon or something.....and others too.
I know you were joking, but you did 'claim' to be them.

ha ha ha

TOUCHE no accent on my keyboard it is British.

Mum21 said...

Doppelganger. I honestly think you are on the wrong blog.
Try Alsabella's because she is more your style.

Or even better..try Viv's..she seems to need support I have been told.

As for posting on other blogs...I now only post on one....HERE.

assassin said...

"Thanks for your reply,

I missed it initially cos I'm trying to have four conversations at once.

When I logged on earlier to read your blog all I could see was people discussing the other sites, disruption tactics and fake ID's etc.

I think this is a shame, because when I was here the other day people were actually discussing the case and were willing to debate points with me.

I know it is none of my business, but if you allow the site to go down that route, I think it will end up being entirely counter productive.

I did notice you and others 'ticking' someone off the other day. But they don't appear to have got the message. (Now I am stirring - promise I will 'behave' from now on.)

As to the other sites, it is becoming obvious that people have started posting on them posing as extreme 'antis' in order to discredit the blogs - now who would do something like that I wonder?

"
.......................

Oh purleeze - and they slam clarence mitchell for bad spin.

You truly have to be kidding with that sad attempt at a spin act above?

Dont apply for Max Cliffords job anytime soon eh.

How transparent!!!

Rosiepops said...

Assasin

I thought the PJ were absolute idiots.

I hope they come, we have been waiting for months for this visit but every time they say they are coming either something happens, or the letters do not arrive and it is always the British governments fault!

Doppelganger said...

Chinadoll,

Sorry, I was not ignoring you, you were just bottom of the list.

The reason I and other people thought you were Reina was the 'sick needy mind' comment you made to Hope.

It is such a peculiar and unusual phrase to use that it just seemed highly unlikely that two totally unconnected people would use it.

By the way, I found Reina a very intriguing person, I would really like to know if she is the person I thought she may have been, but I suppose I will never know.

Anonymous said...

Jak,

Sorry I missed you. Goodnight

and Goodnight to you Sassyp.

Read an hilarious post from Rosiepops earlier, she asked if you had wind - I totally misunderstood it (reading out of context) and imagined something terribly inappropriate lol

Rosiepops said...

China

sometimes it serves better to leave it there!

Rosiepops said...

China,

LOL Poor sassy!

assassin said...

But doppelganger is here because he has painted himself as the hero to all these pathetic women. Meanwhile i will say AGAIN refusing to reveal his REAL identity and MOTIVE...

How could he not keep coming, he will be defaced and an idiot if he does not, then who will the dear little infantile dependant princesses have to rely on?

Who will Viv have to control her and fuel her bitterness and use her as a pawn to carry out the violence of another whilst her strings are pulled like a puppet?
Who has the experience to pull a raging victims strings like a puppet? Who is doing it?

Thoiught, when one brings raving cases against drug addicts - no, not drug addicts, singular addict, that shame and rage throwing - why? Cos they have a drug themselves, in this case the drug is the ego. If they did not feel so much a nothing they would have shut the hell up a long time ago and crawled back to their state of nothingness, found some humility and stopped their masturbation act and power trip pulling the strings of vulnerable women in anti blogs and grown up - maybe....

It is shocking what retirement can do to the male psyche if they are psyche is a bit shaky...

Rosiepops said...

china

by the way I thought your post to teyman was spot on yesterday!

Whizz will come over I think. Still trying to get in touch with Languedoc, mark55, Old Hippy, I will do it, mat take some time, bit I am a stubbor so'n so when I want to be.

Did you see laz was here earlier?

really great to see all the old posters turning up and we have a couple of newbies too, which is great.

Christabel said...

Assasn,
well said.
10 months Monday Madeleine has been gone and what are this PJ doing about findng her.
BLOODY NOTHNG like they have from day one.

Anonymous said...

Chameleon,

There is a lot you will never know, that is because you have a one tracked mind.

I still think No Hope makes continually sick and needy comments, but have come to realise that that is her style.

Go back to your twilight zone and be patted on the back by all your pals.

Doppelganger said...

JaneGT,

The other night after I honestly, unintentionally annoyed you I wrote you this post, but I didn't send it because you had gone, but I saved it, so here it is now:

Just read your post to me, I said you were 'off message', not that what you said was untrue.

The 'message' is - that the letters never existed and that the PJ are NOT coming to England to interview anyone.

And if you read this in any newspaper or see it on Sky or the BBC you are NOT to believe this story - as it is all LIES - Apparently.

And by the way it is pretty obvious when I am talking to Jane and when I am talking to Jane+G&T.

I can have a decent conversation with one but it is often hard to have a debate with the other.

Earlier on 'Jane' said she could 'take it' and preferred people to be straight with her, so no hard feelings I hope.

I think I get on quite well with Jane, but JaneGT seems to be a different kettle of fish, which Jane do you prefer? (Rhetorical question)

jak said...

Doppelganger, hello again, I see you are quite astute in at least some areas, ie- I am a reasonable poster ( and very modest to boot, LOL). Thank you muchly.

Anonymous said...

dad23/doppelganger, and friends who are not there

O F F T O P I C

and I was SOOOOO careful out of 2 words, the FIRST one was off. as my first version had the SECOND............

Anonymous said...

dad23/doppelganger, and friends who are not there

O F F T O P I C

and I was SOOOOO careful out of 2 words, the FIRST one was off. as my first version had the SECOND............

Anonymous said...

CHINADOLL

HEY WYSIWYG

IF YOU MODERATED THIS BLOG THERE WOULD BE NOONE HERE....HA HA HA HA

loved it......good one.

dad23/doppelganger, and friends

seems to have riled us all in our previous life in the DX....why he is here, I cannot fathom as no debate, no disussion. just aggro. DESIST.

as they say

PASS ME BY

DO NO POST ME

POST OFF......!!!!

assassin said...

They are beyond bizarre Rosie and dim as could be. That said, i actually feel somewhat sorry for the new guy. There is always one genuine guy even in the face of group evil. I think he is genuine and put there to cover the evil - and he does not even know it himself.

Rosiepops said...

Assasin

You have truly shocked me, because if I am right in reading more into your post than what you have actually written, you thoughts are so near mine and that is startling, I also know that others think more or less the same, so if we think it, yet can not openly say it, how is it going to end?

Anonymous said...

Rosiepops,

Thanks for that.

If that was our Whizz, then I am a Dutchman. The sicko who tried to pass themselves off as Whizz, is a really nasty and sinister type. I felt it instictively.

Hope Whizz makes it through soon though.

Strange thing is, I kept peeking in to the blog, to have a look, even though I was unable to post and picked up some bad vibes from that particular poster.

Mum21 said...

Jane. My sentiments entirely.
Why is he here?
The one thing that sticks in my mind is since he has appeared this evening the Anonymous posts have STOPPED.

Anonymous said...

DAD23/DOPPELGANGER YOU ARE ACTUALLY LIBELLOUSLY LABELLING ME YOU KNOW.

so

post off.

mummy needs you - Viv doesn't like to be kept waiting. You have amazingly contributed NOTHING AT ALL to the blog, nor any other you have voices with - all on your own there. I am dubious you fathered anything never mind 3. Now get off my back.

I made the jokes about wine, G and T etc, I actually do not drink G and T. what would you know?

You cannot come here and do nothing but attack regular posters, we don't need you,

we don't want you### get it?

and take your friends with you that you are talking to.

Anonymous said...

Janegt,

I will never forget that comment from that self serving Matriach,

'Just pass on by'

She is probably lost in cyberspace, talking to herself ha ha

Doppelganger said...

Chinadoll,

I do not have any 'friends' on the internet, but I do have mental lists of people who I think are 'nice' people, those who are 'not' and those who hover somewhere in the middle.

It might surprise you to learn that quite a few people here are in my 'nice' list and some are hovering in the middle.

Guess which list you are in?

Rosiepops said...

Jane you said:

as they say

PASS ME BY

DO NO POST ME

POST OFF......!!!!

Please tell me you are not doing a Roth?! LOL

Christabel said...

China,
re whizz. My thought exactly, did you see profile ?

Christabel said...

China,
re whizz. My thought exactly, did you see profile ?

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Rosiepops said...

Doppel

Now you are playing silly games, I would call them mind games only they are not they are in fact 'mindLESS' please you are dealing with adults here.

Anonymous said...

chinadoll

If you look at Teyman profile listed under WhizzG.....?

You can look there and decide.

?????

wysiwyg

and you instinctively know a lot too......

Anonymous said...

Chameleon,

Hopefully, I am on none of your lists, as we have nothing in common.

For sure, you are on no list of mine, not even the sh..t list.

assassin said...

Chinadoll,

Do not fall for that manipulation act. You are being targetted by doppleganger so he can try to deride a pro blog. Note how many posts i have made now to his true identity and he has refused to answer one at all, yet, he started the conversation.

He is playing an act. Do not let it work.

Rosie, which thoughts do you mean - re the PJ or re who doppleganger is and the Madeleine foundation?

Mum21 said...

assassin. I just peeked in at your blog. I may not be an expert on the computer...but I know a little. te he he
If you need any help with anything...just say the word.

Rosiepops said...

China, your one liners are classic.

Poor old One grey cell (LGC) is extremely jealous of your ability to employ and utilise the art of sattire and she maintained she got paid for hers? (And then she woke up!)

Anonymous said...

Christabel,

I must admit, I did not look at the profile. I see as I find and something was not right, in more than one sense.

What was on the profile?

Anonymous said...

23.01 post by doppelganger says it all

I havemental lists...of people

yeah right.


HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

that's best ever.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

CHINADOLL

YES, TAKE YOUR POINTS IN YOUR LAST POSTS. WYSIWYG

ALSO. MWYSASWYM GUESS

ANSWER IN A MINUTE ONCE WE ARE QUIETER.

REMEMBER I GOT NAMES OF 7DWARVES IN SWEDISH???? still have them listed here in my diary what a hooooot.

and a lot will know this one
kiss TO PEOPLE RANTING ON AND ON AND ON AND ON MEANS....?

ANSWERS ON A PC TO THIS BLOG WHEN YOU FEEL NEED OF LIGHT RELIEF WHICH WE ALL DO RIGHT NOW.....

BRING LEVEL BACK UP......

health warning

if you don't reply I will SING ........

assassin said...

Rosie. Dont want to digress from topic and misuse your blog at all.

Is it okay if i respond to mum 21 with a very off topic, and a bit on topic reply?

If not, i will happily find another communication mode...if its ok with mum21 to do that.

Rosiepops said...

Assasin

I am not going to mention too much on here but I intend to let you know tomorrow. I am learning (as you say) not to give to much away on here, I have noticed some very odd things occur when I have said things that no one else has mentioned.

Anonymous said...

Cheers Assasin,

But you do not need to worry about me. My eyes are like xrays with tripe like that.

If I am ever wrong Assasin, I will apologise, but no apology needed in this instance.

Doppelganger said...

Jane

I never intended to upset you the other night when I said you were 'off message', but you got really annoyed for some reason.

If you don't wan't me to post to you in future or reply to your posts to me, I will respect your wishes.

And by the way, that goes for everyone.

Anyone can say anything they like about me and I promise I won't sue.

Anonymous said...

came upon this blog by chance and was hoping for some talk of madelene but all i see is talk of other blogs and many id's . i will leave you all to it.

Mum21 said...

assassin
I think you know how to reach me..don't you?

Anonymous said...

China,
find a post he made and click blog name.
He has a blog !

Anonymous said...

Cheers Rosiepops,

As for the No Cell Poster, they never had anything up top lol

Anonymous said...

Now I am sure none of you want to know this but if you check the McCann Files it shows the Tapas group used to hire a blue jeep on a daily basis. I am sure there is not only one blue jeep in Portugal, but now wondering about the taxi driver story, blue jeep, etc. Look on the bright side if Madeleine was in that jeep with Kate, she is not dead!!

Anonymous said...

Janegt,

Don't you dare start singing, or I will ask Seawitch to come here and sort you out

wysiwyg

lol

assassin said...

Still waiting on a reply doppleganger.

you dont have the capacity or knowledge to sue anyone doppleganger. Despite your profession you have no take on the law at all. That much has been made very clear in 'communications'.

Why dont you lie down whilst you are beat - the women in here are way too strong to fall for your rubbish! Go back and deal with your puppet princesses.

Whoops, sorry you cant now - you have lost face - havent you?

Sadly, it always happens to any man that thinks they can handle more than one woman in a bed...:-)

Rosiepops said...

Rosiepops said...
dianeh said...
Rosie

You are so right. If there were incidences (as there were) and if the resort knew that parents were leaving their children and doing regular checks, then they (the resort) should have made it quite clear that this had happened. It could have been done simply, in a flier left in all of the apartments, or even by the nannies at the day care centre.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A flier left in the apartment would have all that needed to be done, but yet again it has been brushed under the carpet, it seems that the tourist industry in Portugal was more important than children's lives and the scariest thing is, I feel it still is!

I feel that the Portuguese government is putting pressure on the PJ to get this off of the front pages of the news, sweep it under the carpet and act-like it never happened.

Tough Portugal, you do not know what Brits are like when we have the bot between our teeth, we are NEVER going to stop until we know what happened to Madeleine McCann and I can tell you that many of us are also hoping that through this we will also learn what actually happened to Joana Cipriano, Jeremy Vargas and Mari Luz Cortez and maybe others too.

This cat is out of the bag Portugal and let me tell you, you haven't got a hope in hell of it being put back.

01 March 2008 12:28

melbel said...

Hello again.
I found supertroll's site, at last.
What a heroine !
I cannot fathom whether viv and crew are mad or bad, or both.
I think they will end up in the law courts.
Daily mail are running article about the French Police definitely discounting the sighting. Maybe you all knew this.So sad.
Roth is using a thread on DE re Prince Harry, to have a go at Mccanns and press secrecy !There is a big difference between the treatment of Royalty, especially in a war zone and two ordinary GPs.
I am convinced that these conspiracy theorists are barking.
I think I will call it a day for today and switch off, as I am upset at some of the comments written on these other blogs and I wish it was in my power to bring Madeleine back for Mother's day.
All the very best.See you all soon.X

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Anonymous said...

Anon,

Isn't it time you went to bed?

We are not interested in your conspiracy theories, if we were, we would post on your Mummies site.

Put your dummy in and go to bed anon.

assassin said...

I have a lot you can do on a personal level mum21 - get back to you. Your interest too.

On madeleine level, i have a lot anyone interested can do...:-)

Anonymous said...

Nite and Bless Melbel x

Mum21 said...

Anonymous..that is a shame because I find Jane to be a very kind and funny lady.
And if you have popped on here just to have a go at a regular poster..then may I suggest you pop off again.

jak said...

Hi All, don't you just love being on a list?

Oh Doppel,we are all adults here, no one cares about how others perceive, some will gravitate towards other posters who hold similar beliefs/morality. It's natural in normal humans, it doesn't always have to be something unusual!

With that I really am off, hope to speak soon, take care all! x

Hope some news is reported on tomorrow, about Madeleine or all of the other missing kids!

S, you also have mail! ( Doppel, don't get suspicious, I met her on the DE).

Anonymous said...

Anon,

Your mindset leaves a lot to be desired.

Now run home to Mummy and be a good boy anon.

Mum21 said...

assassin
Look forward to hearing from you

Doppelganger said...

Assasin,

If people ask me not to post to them I don't, so how can I be targeting people?

And I genuinely would be interested if anyone could explain why so many people here use 'sexual' references when they attack someone.

Rosiepops said...

And how many idiots would use an English blue jeep after ferrying their daughter in and out of taxis in her pyjamas?

The story was a set up, invented to put Kate McCann somewhere where she should not be. Strangely enough this was done AFTER I have been saying for a weeks that the McCann's were never seen anywhere where they should not be and were never seen acting suspiciously at all.

Then this story pops up!

If the PJ put this story out, then they are even more incompetent than I first thought as they could not even get this right! The time lines are all wrong.

And if Kate was doing this why would she do it in a taxi with Madeleine in her pyjamas?

Anonymous said...

A certain type of Anon, seems to have a fixation on our Janegt.

Stop trying to stalk her, she is not interested in you or your type.

Go grazing somewhere else, you goat.

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assassin said...

Oh please anon. Is the caravan attached at all?

Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly they borrowed, not hired a blue jeep, unfounded fact, wake up - the pj have a witness who happens to be the father of a cop that sites madeleine with lookalikes to murat and kate with a timescale that is worse than the first four minute mile?

How convenient...yet senseless!

I shall repeat...

How do you call a cab in portugal...

"Godfather be my friend"?

Unless you want to add to the conspiracy theories and suggest the taxi driver wqas several hours out with his statement and made the times up cos he was screwing a mistress on the side and wanted to speak up, but so happened to want to tell, but had to lie too to cover his own tracks to his wife...and then what do we have, murat and company, not the mccanns, no matter what time frame you throw at this....it is bullshit and desperation! Not even as good as the Madeleine was chopped up into bits and disposed of in nappies theory in reality - sick and disgusting as that one was - like all else...:-)

Mum21 said...

Doppelganger
I do not want to seem rude but I think you have disrupted this blog for long enough...don't you?

Would you please now return from where you came and allow us to carry on debating.

Thank you

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assassin said...

No doppelganger, I invited you to reply to all so please do.

Evasive?

Anonymous said...

Anon,

Or should I call you sicko, because you certainly have an unhealthy interest with a regular female poster on this forum.

Go stalking somewhere else, there is no fodder for the likes of you here.

Take your sicko views and sicko mindset elsewhere - preferably back to the blog you originated from.

Doppelganger said...

Sassy and people in my 'nice' list (including Jane)

Came here tonight to have a debate, but no one was debating, so ended up getting sidetracked.

I do not have an agenda and I don't wish to discredit or ruin your blog.

I will go now and come back another day and debate with you, but if you only want people here who agree with you just let me know. The reason I come here is I get bored talking to people who agree with me and there are some very interesting characters here.

I'm off now, otherwise my imaginary wife will divorce me and my imaginary kids will them blame me for ruining their lives.

Going now.

Nite, nite everyone.

Anonymous said...

I am not looking for a conspiracy theory just clutching at straws that Madeleine could be alive if for some reason she was in that taxi. Remember we do not have the facts we just no she is gone. Maybe the McCanns were being blackmailed or something and have taken Madeleine somewhere. I would rather think that at the moment, than she is in the lake or with a paedophile, but see you have all decided what has happened and anybody elses views are worthless to you. You lot seem more interested in pulling people apart so will leave you to get on with it.

Christabel said...

I think someone somewhere wants folk to believe that it was Maddie in that taxi, and also to speculate that the McCann's have been lying about the night. I don't buy it !!!! End of story.

assassin said...

Whaaaaaaaaaat Jak? We didn't meet whilst holed up in a hotel discussing the downfall of Mr Putin and the unleashing of nucleur weapons whilst experimenting on chimeras and handshaking the pope and discussing how a fund and a trademark could fund the takeover of the worlds oil resources????

I am surprised, i must have been - dreaming ha ha...

Take care Jak. Nite nite.

God bless them all AND the families!

Anonymous said...

Damn,

I am not on the nice list.

I feel absolutely sick, physically sick and am wrenchingly sick, all over my computer.

And I thought I was one of your favourites.

Totally gutted, gobsmacked,


RELIEVED.

Mum21 said...

How very strange..there we were tonight quietly exchanging views...then along comes a certain gentleman to disrupt the forum...plus a few very rude Anon posters poping in here and there.
And guess what?
We get the blame.

Very odd don't you think?

Rosiepops said...

It is a strange thing that for months every sighting that has come in ahas been instantly discredited by the antis and every witness to speak up has been ridiculed and discredit ted too.

The pros have always hopes for the best re these sightings and feared the worse, but have chosen not to ridicule the witness for fear of putting others off.

So one sighting that the antis actually like and can accept comes along and I note they are all falling over themselves to believe it and make it fit.

Hope4Truth thinks it could be true and is a great way of taking a dead Madeleine around in her pyjamas and in a taxi, but she thinks that Madeleine has been smuggled around inside a dog too!

So anon if you want someone to discuss your theories with one of the other blogs may suit you better, we prefer to try and stick to reality here.

Anonymous said...

To the latest anon,

You look familiar.

I only posted twice last night, but I believe one of my posts, was directed to you.

Go to the frontpage of this blog and follow the directions to a place that will appreciate your 'nice guy' comments. Fragile blooms will not last here.

Now, off you go and do not bother to come back.

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Anonymous said...

Clever disruptive scam

dad23/doppelganger/many voices/mental lists

comes on, does not debate, causes distraction from blog topics, then 'anon' mark 12300 comes on saying I am not posting here all you do is ......etc etc etc

IT WON'T WORK DUMBOS....

IT WILL NOT WORK

NOW REPORT BACK TO YOUR SUB-BOGS. OOOPPPS BLGS AND TELL THEM

it did not work nor will it

Mum21 said...

Well Everyone. I think I am off to bed.
Perhaps tomorrow we will be allowed to get on with our debating without distraction.
Yeahh I know...and pigs might fly.

Good Night and God Bless.

Anonymous said...

Spot on Mum21,

And we all know their agenda.

Rosiepops said...

Keep it nice please Anon, there is no need for that kind of comment on here thanks.

Anonymous said...

HA HA HA DOPPELGANGER/DAD23/MENTAL LIST

YOU DID not get sidetracked

YOU ATTEMPTED TO DERAIL US. WE WERE HAVING A CONVERSATION, DIALOGUE, WHATEVER, THEN YOU CAME ON.....


b a n g !!!!

Anonymous said...

Chinadoll, Do you consider people who do not want to argue to be a fragile bloom. I am going but not because you told me to but because this is a waste of time place to be

SeaWitch said...

Well, I said I wasn't going to post until I had something to say, because, I thought, this isn't the place for inane chat.

I was wrong it seems....

The arrival of WhosTheDaddy and anon has bought more dribble than a plateful of jellied eels....!

Aw, Pops, you just love all the girly attention, dontcha? Well I reckon you're harmless enough, and I for one don't care about your double/ multiple IDs. I've always thought your real name must be something like Maurice Smallworth anyhow.... :-)

China - As for sorting out our Jane: does she ever listen? I've pulled her hair, kicked her, pinched her, stolen her lunch money and broken her toys - but STILL she comes back for more.

Must be cos she's fffffrrrrrreeeeezzzzing up there and needs the hassle to keep her warm!

:-p

Christabel said...

Nite and Bless mum,
I'm off too Nite.

Anonymous said...

Goodnight Mum21,

Wish I could post when normal conditions apply - I seem to arrive during the witching hour.

Anonymous said...

HA HA HHHHHAAAAAA ROSIEPOPS

I had totally forgotten onegreycell was an acclaimed television writer.......huge audiences????

odd

when you get booted off a blog.!;o(((

assassin said...

To answer your question re sexual references doppleganger, they are involved because they are highly relevant.

The antimcann blogs are filled end to end with people getting sexual gratification from exploring their dark sides through madeleine.

They are higly predictable people in the same way that any paedophile is.

We have everything from solicitors jerking off over the case by raising madeleine foundations to classic abductor paedophile behaviours....

Diane, kindly posted the beaumont case earlier, it is a good case example, one i was already aware off.

The abductor/killer classicly sent a letter much time after. When letters are sent in most, but not all cases, [there are other examples and reasonings, i will give the most common here!] the child or the abduction victim is generally already dead. The abductor is seeking to gain the same sexual sensations and feelings of power and control that they got whilst in control of the victims and commiting the crime. By sending the letters he gets the feelings back again.

Thus, when the media sensation and debate begins to die down in the Madeleine case we get those that are healing themselves, throwing suppressed rage out at their own mothers, seeking reparenting and gaining sexual gratification through madeleine doing things like starting to write letters and delivering them. They are hooked on the sexual high they are getting and their voyeuristic paedophilia and as the buzz and high dies they naturally and proverbially, just like the real killer and abductor [if it applies] seek to keep the conscious or unconscious sexual high and start banging out letters to get closer to the victim and family so thier wails and tears are heard and thier outrage is heard too and meanwhile - that 5 minute bit of sex they get when they demanded 20 is satisfied - through a poor innocent child who just happens to be called - MADELEINE!!!

I hope that helps!

Anonymous said...

Anon,

I appreciate you're being true to form.

Goodnight to you too.

Rosiepops said...

China,

No real way of telling of course, but I don't think this anon was the same as the other anon, she actually came back and posted under a name, which escapes me at present.

Anyway looks like the lates traveller has gone of to pastures old, probably Vile's, so that's ok.

Anonymous said...

rosiepops

'what do you people think of spinach and ricattoni canneloni?'

well, if you REALLY wanted an answer.

not much

in fact, less than that. ;o)))

didn't work, did it? ha ha ha ha

do you think some poster here has shot himself in the feet. all 24 of them????

Anonymous said...

Seawitch,

Bang on the button.

Our Janegt is absolutely unique and a darling too.

It's getting cold around here, must be freeeeeeeeeeeeezing.

lol

Rosiepops said...

Nite mum and Christabel

wish you weren't going but take care both and sleep well xxx

Rosiepops said...

Christabel wait let me see it before you go!

Anonymous said...

Let's wait and see about that Rosiepops.

If I am wrong, I will apologise.

I post as I find and that is what I did.

Admittedly, I had company and did not have my finger fully on the posts/pulse. Time will tell.

My apologies to anyone I have misinterpreted, anyone can make an honest mistake.

Rosiepops said...

No Jane I think he shot himself in the cannelloni!

Rosiepops said...

China

I know you do and that is what I like about you.

I think this little Anon was someone we all know and defintely do not love! But I may be wrong too lol

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SeaWitch said...

China-

Yes, and this eybord i drivg e mad. Uslss cheap Teco ca@p! I gong o ake i bak tomorrow!

eeeeeeeeeeeeeek!

aND IT'S stILL freeeeeeeezzzzzing!!

Oh well

As they say

Do NOT POST ME

ALK ON Y

DESIST!

Only joking

Hahahahahahahahahahah!

Rosiepops said...

SeaWitch

Your old Mate Lazarus was in earlier, he may be back tonight hopefully.

There is not that much news around at the moment, so it is easy to get sidetracked by poor old doppeldadderto3. Iloved this by the way!

"I've always thought your real name must be something like Maurice Smallworth anyhow.... :-)"

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SeaWitch said...

Rosie,

I meant the dribble was transported here by WhosTheDaddy and his anonymous little buddy! You know - transference ;-)!!

Wasn't aimed at anyone else.

Yes, I reckon I've sussed his true identity.

Now, why has that anon bully been picking on my mate???

Anonymous said...

Rosiepops,

If any poster truly has an opinion, they must expect it to be questioned.

Those that disappear without defending their original post, imo, have something to hide.

If we are brave enough to post an opinion, then expect others to contribute.

Do you know who first replied to my original post on the DX forum?

SeaWitch said...

Lazarus is here - brilliant!

Can't wait!!!!!!

Now, get me Higgers as well, Rosiepops!

Rosiepops said...

That anon bully is picking on her because she is a bully, but she is wasting her time!

Rosiepops said...

China,

I do not remember, who was it?

Rosiepops said...

SeaWitch

I will try hard to get Higgers, I am also trying to get Old Hippy, Mark55 and languedoc.

I keep leaving cryptic messages in posts, but Mark I think is away at the moment and I haven't seen Old Hippy or languedoc posting since the DX went, but I will not give up trying.

Rosiepops said...

China,

I know I relied to one of your postings on the DX forum when I first saw your name.

Anonymous said...

Janegt,

The reason I am here, is because I witnessed the unrelenting abuse directed at you over Christmas.

Those morons did not have the capacity to read between the lines.
I, probably, was not on your wavelength then -wysiwyg, but kept asking about you and after you, because I felt and knew, you were a good'un.

Janegt, in my opinion (and I am not doing a jolly) you are an absolute gem.

Period.

Anonymous said...

hey seawitch

blik of an eye??

were you really here?

I was away and actually missed a lot of posts as yo=yo-ing with people here too. I am a 24 hr cafe. I seem to have missed posts referring to me. Good. don't care, don't want to know as I know who my friends are.

Now.

anyone got answers to

KISS
MWYSASWYM
??

EH CHINADOLL WE KNOW WYSIWYG don't we?? and how. SILLY B**GGERS

and no I do NOT mean bloggers......

I know you know what I mean coz you know it too. Has he left the building with all his 24 friends???

Anonymous said...

MUM21

Have you gone ... sorry I was up and down up and down cooking for daughter and pals.

Seems I missed something. Not someone, some THING...just as well.

Have a good sleep then coz you must have retired now. See you soon. Enjoyed your posts, bang on.

Noone can derail us. NOONE.

Anonymous said...

Rosiepops,

It certainly was not you, or any member of the regular crew.

assassin said...

Second post to doppleganger.

Rosie, delete if you see fit or that these posts are too much for your readers to handle. i wont be offended at all.

As well as trying to disguise yourself and your muppets - you have relentlessly tried to insinuate there is some amiss with me that i mention the sexual angle in this in retort to the anti mccann and your own behaviours and posts.

I just smile. It is so predictable. As predictable as you lot firing of your own jerks at the mccanns, like they are responsible for your sexual instinct.

I dont have that instinct unlike yourselves that is why you never see it leaking anywhere but openly and honestly discussed and fully understood. I dont have the instinct cos i understand the sexual psyche in full therefore cannot be prey to that unlike yourself or anyone else that wants to hide from thier dark nature.

How reactive where you to hit the button re your own child on this subject. How reactive were your cronies too. How reactive is anyone?

There is a reason for that....

I hope you know it a little better now and therefore stop misusing madeleine...

Your tactics are transparent. They do not wash one bit...

Still waiting for a reply - that is when you have gotten over your own self revulsion.

Thankfully, i have none to get over:-) No matter how hard your inner shame throwing tries to imply just that....

By the way, tell Viv Anne summers is open sundays...

Anonymous said...

Just posted this on Alsabella's site

Anonymous said...
You are malicious and you know it, you may hide it better than vile viv does, but you are both just the same.

You posts are just here to bully people you have never even met

Why don't you keep your opinions to yourself and spend more time posting in your recipe blog?

Or is everything there too sour?

Rosiepops said...

Who was it then?

I didn't think it was me, although I do remember talking to you sometime back.

Now you have me intrigued

Anonymous said...

to be sErious for one minute

it is now mothering sunday

SO LET'S REMEMBER ALL THE CHILDREN WITHOUT A MOTHER

ALL THE MOTHERS WITHOUT THEIR CHILD/REN

BECAUSE IT IS EVEN MORE THEIR DAY.

GOD BE WITH THEM,
MADELEINE, SEAN, AMELIE, SHANNON, MARIE LUZ AND TOO MANY TO MENTION BUT ARE IN OUR HEARTS.

HAPPY MOTHERS DAY......

with our prayers next year it will happen for you. all of you. Not just Madeleine.

god bless all.

SeaWitch said...

China- ahem, well, anyway, like we were saying about GI Jane (or is it Rambina these days...?), oops, shhhhh, she's here.

I was going to say yes, she is a gem, and set in platinum as well..... but I don't want her to get it into her silly head that I actally LIKE her.

;-P x

SeaWitch said...

China- ahem, well, anyway, like we were saying about GI Jane (or is it Rambina these days...?), oops, shhhhh, she's here.

I was going to say yes, she is a gem, and set in platinum as well..... but I don't want her to get it into her silly head that I actally LIKE her.

;-P x

Anonymous said...

It was the person I was very much looking forward to saying 'hello' to, who, supposedly, appeared last night.

And only he
and I, know what was said.

SeaWitch said...

Jane - that is a lovely message.

What can any of us add to that?

x

Anonymous said...

Seawitch,

What can I say.

Tell her to leave the room, whilst we talk behind her back and say what a doll she is.

Janegt, it must be past your bedtime, cos I am talking to the Witch, without your permission lol

Anonymous said...

Janegt,

Hope you are not sending messages to the witch, without including me in the convo?

wysiwyg

assassin said...

Ok, this might come as a surprise, but this is me over and out from here too.

I have sat back and watched and involved in much and believe you me i have a passion against the antimccann wailings and vitriole.

However, nothing in here is truly about Madeleine either - so i am out and gone.

I expect this deleted for sure, but i am no-ones fool at all and far less the fool of the flip side of the coins vitriole.

Take care - enjoy your blog. I know you believe it was set up with the right motive, fact is, it was not. Like the articles you post, you lot, also are on your own ride...enjoy it.

Bye.

Doppelganger said...

Assassin

I am still 'here' because I am trying to work out a reply to your other post to me and as it covers such complex and contentious issues it is going to take me a very long time, if I manage it at all.

Just posting now to say that I have never posted here or anywhere else anonymously and if I want to say something to someone I will say it as me - no one else.

By the way, your post on the original article surprised me and I agree with you that it was pretty much utter rubbish.

I know you will think I am winding you up now, but it never even occurred to me that some people's obsession with this case had a sexual basis.

And the reason we keep discussing this aspect of the case is because you and other people keep mentioning it.

If you don't mind I'm too tired for this sort of thing now, so perhaps we can get somewhere on this issue another day.

Nite, nite.

Anonymous said...

Assasin,

Well, over and out to you too.

assassin said...

#Goodnight doppel, but it shall not be here cos i am tired of wasting my time, knowledge and energy on the behalf of two things
antis that want to get off on shit and pros that want to avoid it and meanwhile only want to exercise a voice and feeling of power for 5 minutes. Voices that have never been exercised before in the long haul and therefore are extremely protective of keeping their voice USING madeleine. Disgusting.

SeaWitch said...

Dad,

Goodnight. I was teasing you but I hope you didn't take too much offence.

I never really mean any harm, hope you realise that.

Anonymous said...

Pack it in Muse

Ground Control to Major Tom?

Get yur ass back here lol

This is a damned good cause.

How could any mother or father be persecuted more than this couple?

I am trying to talk to you Muse.

Let's face it, in our wildest dreams, we could not possibly imagine ourselves in their shoes.

I beg you to stay focused Muse, because when you are, you are an absolute Star.

Ground Control to Major Tom?

Daft bat.

Rosiepops said...

Sorry people

Lost my internet connection and had a hell of a job getting it back. I am wondering if it has something to do with these high winds.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Assassin, I happen to 2nd what China is saying.

The only thing I know I can do for Madeleine is defend and support her parents. This is more than 5 minutes to me, I have been following this case for the past 10months. I do not have your insight and knowledge of what we are dealing with here, but I have found your posts thought provoking.

I find it a shame if you have decided to leave us and I can only wish you well if that is the case.

assassin said...

Hi China,
I like you mate.
but im out of here cos i am focused on Madeleine and many many more before her and will be after too...

This place is a wailing wall im afraid and 5 minutes of for the other side of the coin.

I dont work that way, i will give all my time and energy to a good cause and do so relentlessly, not just when a cause bites me by the bum, but all the time...

So im gone. Several things here tonight showed me it is about individuals not Madeleine, so sorry, but i know where the button is. Gone.

I will miss an awful lot of you, i like you as people, a lot, and im sorry im going, but i am...

i wish you all well too. No hard chips eh:-)

Doppelganger said...

SeaWitch,

I tease people all the time, so I would be a hypocrite if I complained if people did the same to me.

The really amusing thing is that I really am quite a boring person, so you were spot on actually.

:)

Nite, nite.

Anonymous said...

Muse,

You can leave, but you can never go away.

You can check out,
but you can never leave.

Right Muse, you are getting on my t..s

I am beginning to wonder if you have some sort of personality disorder?

Do you like leading everyone up the garden path, only to leave them stranded?

You are not allowed to leave this forum right now

I deign it,

I am Madame Rotheymere.

Come on Muse,

Chinadoll to Muse

Ground Control to Major Tom

Doppelganger said...

Muse,

I would rather call you that than Assasin.

I agree with your 'last post'.

I will probably now get the blame for your departure and it will be seen no doubt as part of some grand scheme I have to take over the World ?????

Good luck with your work and your good causes.

Bye for now.

Rosiepops said...

Doppelganger

Dont always be so full of your own importance will you?

Assasin is a free spirit, she will come and go as she pleases and is free to do so. If she has better things to do then we cant blame her or hold her back.

She knows she is welcome here no matter what her opinions are.

assassin said...

Tinks.
I truly am humbled by your post. I do have to go though mate. I wont be stopping on the Madeleine issue, know that, I will be as active as ever, just this isnt the place for me, with regret.

I will still be available if you guys are getting any nonsense cos i would never walk away from that. You know where to find me if need be cos that is in rightful defence of the McCanns and i will alway do my utmost anywhere required on that front. So, clown and coconut infiltrations please feel free to contact me and i will come back to ANY pro Mccann blog or site.

You have my email addie. I am equally available on messenger but a different address...

scorpius166@hotmail.co.uk

a message and i will be right there to any url, given i am in the house that is, which i usually am!

I will also add i respect rosie a lot for her tenacity throughout this case and you all.

I'm out cos this isnt totally productive, im sorry, but im there if you need me or i can help in any way...

Best wishes.

Anonymous said...

Dope,

Now you promised to go to bed ages ago and I am very disappointed.

Rosiepops said...

Doppel

All night you have managed to do what you intended to divert discussion away and concentrate it on stuff that has no importance.

No I am a very lenient and patient person, but you are now beginning to annoy me.

Please keep your discussion to the topic, light deviation and a joke etc is perfectly fine, but this blog is not about you or you Ids, or what you think about the DX or other blogs, understand?

it is not the doppelganger show.

Now stay if you want to stay and debate fine you are welcome, but if not then sod off, because I have had enough for one night and I am going to start pulling your posts.

Anonymous said...

chinadoll and seawitch are you online?

assasin

if that is you view glad you are gone.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Assassin,

Totally understood, respect to you.

Tinks.

Anonymous said...

Dope/Dad

Yeh, and that is the last word on the matter.

Got it?

Go to bl..ding bed.

Doppelganger said...

Rosiepops,

I was just going on past form.

Considering everyone was convinced I was stalking people as 'annonynous' you will forgive me for being a bit paranoid.

Actually I am insignificant, zilch a nobody, but here I am somebody - isn't that why everyone else is here?

That is why Muse is leaving - See Muse - I understand.

Now I think we should all go to bed, don't you?

Nite, nite.

Lazarus said...

Bet I'm the only one here?
As promised... back again if drunk.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Laz,

Are you drunk? Must be! I wish I was, but I dont drink, although tonight I could have made an acception lol

Anonymous said...

Dope/Dad,

Keep sniffing,

you will get there eventually.

No doubt you will get the wrong end of the stick, as usual.

Rosiepops said...

'Exception' even!

Although tonight I could have made an 'exception'

Lazarus said...

Hi Rosie... not to bad here .. spent more time talking than drinking...

you keeping late hours... good to catch you before you went to bed.

assassin said...

Thankyou Tinks - much equal respect.

I wont stoop to telling you to sod off Jane. However you are a big part of the reason i am out of here.

Take care.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Nite guys, I am off.

I didnt intend posting as I have been out all night but just wanted to pass on my regards to Assassin as her support whilst we have been getting this blog off the ground has been most welcome and appreciated.

See you tomorrow, take care x

Lazarus said...

hey chinadoll... hi my old friend... good to see you again.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hey Laz, you dont know how good it is to see you. I'm just off but hope to see you tomorrow.

BTW, what took you so long!

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