Tuesday 18 March 2008

Excerpt from the Telegraph

We have become accustomed to treating the disappearance, death or recovery of children as a sort of cathartic public theatre. The long hunt for four-year-old Madeleine McCann has been followed by Shannon's disappearance and the rape and murder of 15-year-old Scarlett Keeling in Goa. Such cases arouse strong public sympathies, certainly, but frequently also the fiercest censure of the families involved at the very moment when they are at their most vulnerable.

In the case of the McCanns, a degree of public anger focused on their decision to leave their three children alone while they went for dinner with friends nearby. In that of Scarlett Keeling, her mother, Fiona MacKeown - who has eight other children and a complicated personal life - has been harshly castigated for permitting her daughter to remain with a 25-year-old male tour guide and his aunt while the rest of the family travelled elsewhere.

A front page in the Daily Mail last week advertised an opinion piece with the tastelessly emphatic headline: "Sorry, but I blame Scarlett Keeling's mother". There was little mention of the culpability of the men who allegedly gave Scarlett drugs, raped her and left her on the beach to die.

In the cases of both Madeleine McCann and Scarlett Keeling, few would question that their parents made a misjudgment for which they have paid a truly terrible price. Yet the nasty fury that has frequently been directed at those unfortunate parents, most often by other parents, suggests something deeper at work. So profound and constant is our fear for our children, that upon hearing of such cases the mind searches furtively for some parental error that rendered them vulnerable: if we don't make the same mistake, the reckoning goes, our own will be all right.

The reality is, of course, that it is impossible both to eliminate all risk from our children's lives and to allow them and us to live sanely and happily. In general, parents are a lot closer to the kind of decisions taken by the McCanns and Ms MacKeown than many would like to admit.

The answer of most parents, I think, to Scarlett's request to stay on in Goa would have been "no". But what of a request from a 16 or 17-year-old girl to go on holiday in Britain with friends from school? Despite the assurances to anxious parents, there may indeed be evenings in clubs and bars, with alcohol and perhaps drugs in the mix. At a certain point, one must have the discussions, deliver the warnings, and then trust enough to let a teenager go.

Both the finely balanced decisions and the fears are so tricky to negotiate that it is tempting to reduce them to simple, knowable dramas: in Shannon's, The Child Lost and Found; in Scarlett's, The Neglectful Mother. A more disturbing truth to face is that the reality of risk, both for them and for us, will always be complicated.

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Rosiepops said...

yes it does seem a case of "do not do as I do, do as I say".

I haven't been over there for a few days, the last I knew on here before i went of was Doppel blaming us for posting anonymously on Casa crud's site, why?

If I have anything to say I'll say it under my own ID, I am not scared one little bit of Alsabliar.

Is there such a thing as a keyboard whore?

Rosiepops said...

Hi Tinks,

I se yo have a re-VAMP since I have been away lol

Anonymous said...

totally agreed ROSIEPOPS AND SEAWITCH

It is the perpetrator/s of the harm that need looked at first in all of these sad cases we are hearing about.

People keep looking in the wrong places.....is it to somehow justify something lacking in themselves?

Anonymous said...

Rosie do I get a prize for being the first poster on the second page?

Christabel said...

Helen, you get the night off.

Anonymous said...

ha ha ha good one

re- vamp


!!

;o)))

Tinkerbell43 said...

HelenM, I wouldn't mind but I was told I would get a wad of notes, I didnt realise they'd have i.o.u written on them. Rosie's going to kill me!

Christabel said...

Tinks, ha ha,
was it i.o.u or you owe them lol.

SeaWitch said...

NEWSFLASH! NEWSFLASH! NEWSFLASH!

Police Raid nets Madam Rosie Vice Den!

Police today mounted a shock dawn raid on a seemingly respectable house in a high class area of the city. They discovered evidence that it was, in fact, a House of Filth.

A crack team of officers armed with furry handcuffs arrested the notorious Madam Rosiepops, together with a large number of her Highway Whores.

Upon searching the vice den, Police found evidence of the ageing hookers' crimes, including 5sets of removed false teeth complete with gum lubricant, a vibrating wand and a selection of Witches luuuurrrve potions.

A Police source said that a little dog believed to be owned by Madam Rosie was being questioned in connection with the Vice Queen's nocturnal activities. She is said to make regular hour-long trips in the dead of night, telling people that she is just "going round the block for 15 minutes"

Madam Rosie has reportedly claimed that she is nothing more than an innocent bird watcher.

Of the feathered kind.

The investigation continues...

Christabel said...

Seawitch,

oh my god, now what do we do, I got no bloody teeth.

That was brill, bet they believe it too.

ROTFLMASO!!!!!!!!!!

archer said...

Laydeez

Goodnight, enjoy the rest of your evening.

I (and Rosiepops) hope its profitable!!! :¬)

See you soon.

Anonymous said...

Vibrating wand eh? bet that's yours Jane aint it? Run out of batteries yet?

Rosiepops said...

Well this is all I have to say to Casa Crud!

Christabel said...

Archer,
Nite and Bless didn't see you on.
xxx

SeaWitch said...

ANOTHER NEWSFLASH!!

Nation grid-locked after Vice racket is smashed!!

The nations motorways have been closed as Police question drivers following the arrests of the notorious Madam Rosie and the Highway Whores.

Police advice is to stay home and make no unnecessary journeys. Only the M69 remains open for business this evening.

Christabel said...

Oh Rosie,
you nicked my pic for tomorrow.

Rosiepops said...

I am just a harmless granny.

Tinkerbell43 said...

ROFLMAO Seawitch, excellent.

ps, do you think they will let me have the wand back purely for sentimental reasons you understand!

Anonymous said...

My my grandma what big...........

fingers youv'e got!!

Rosiepops said...

SeaWitch you had better add nicking pictures to your list.

If you think my little dog will talk, think again, it is not a push over like Claudia's pussy -cat.

Christabel said...

Seawitch
will you bloody stop it, my sides are aching here.

Anonymous said...

GOOD NIGHT aRCHER

SEE YOU SOON


AHA BUT i USE DURACELL, SO I LAST LONGER, NO MY WAND STILL FLASHING AWAY. ;o)))

Tinkerbell43 said...

Night Archer, sleep well x

Anonymous said...

NEWSFLASH NEWS AT 10

SUED 4 PAPERS ON BBC NEWS NOW...GO

SERIOUS....NOT A JOKE....

JANE

dianeh said...

Hi Everyone

I just want to comment about Alsa's post on the book etc. In serious mode.

1. Regardless of the outcome of this upcoming trial, and the splitting of hairs when talking of the charges, it must be remembered that the Judicial system has decided that these detectives have a case to answer. Alsa, by dismissing this as a political stunt, you are belittling your own countries political and judicial systems. You either have faith in the system or you do not, you cannot have it both ways, as you are trying to do.

2. Political influence by the McCanns. Sorry but the McCanns are doctors, not politicians or senior public figures in Britain. They do not weild any political influence. The UK Govt will act as it sees fit and any wrongdoing (if exists) will be exposed due to the accountability and anti corruption policies that exist in Britain.

3. The book is indefensible. You weaken all of your other arguments in particular your defense of the secrecy laws and your attack of the McCanns for their own participation in media events and fundraising, by trying to defend this book. Your defense of this book had made you to look hypocritical. Such a book would probably not be allowed in most countries in the world, as it will prejudice an ongoing investigation. It will also be interesting to see how much the book will stray from the facts, in an effort to avoid the libel laws. Saying it is fiction but still using real names, places and facts, will not avoid libel laws.

4. And finallly, if Madeleine was the most important issue in the case, why did the PJ stop looking for a live child after such a short time. It is hard to see how this was in Madeleine's interest, particular since there was not and still is no hard evidence that Madeleine is dead. I firmly believe that if there was such proof, then charges would have been laid, particularly with the criticism the PJ has copped over this case.

Just felt it needed to be said.

Anonymous said...

MCCANNS I MEAN SUED 4 MAJOR PAPERS, MAJOR HEADLINES TOMORROW APPARENTLY

ON BBC1 NOW.

SORRY TOO EXCITED TO KEY IN PROPERLY

Rosiepops said...

Christabel, did I nick your granny?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Well I'm in the clear, I told them it was for sport relief. See you on the outside girls.

chinadoll said...

Hi tarts,

Just on Sky News, Kate & Gerry McCann, to get headline apologies and substantial damages fro the Express Group of Newspapers.

Anonymous said...

OF COURSE a;S SITE WILL SAY THIS IS 'PUBLICITY TIMING TO DISTRACT' HA HA HA

MUM21

WHERE ARE YOU I HAVE DROPPED A STITCH.....

dianeh said...

Seawitch

Good post.

chinadoll said...

Substantial damages to be paid into the Madeleine fund.

It is on now.

Rosiepops said...

BREAKING NEWS

ON ITV NOW

BBC told papera accepted dozens of stories told against the McCann's rule libellpus!!!

chinadoll said...

Hopefully, this is just the start.

Rosiepops said...

lOADS OF APOLOGIES - tomorrow in court!!!!!

CASA TURD AND VIV WATH OUT!!!


express mentioned

damages to be awarded

Will be paid inot fund1

Anonymous said...

SUING 4 MAJOR PUBLICATIONS MONEY TO GO TO M FUND.

EXPRESS STAR GROUPS
MORE THAN 100 ERRORS.
COURT TOMORROW.

Rosiepops said...

Well now we know why all those papers pulled their stories!

Anonymous said...

YOU WILL think me mad, but I think they now know where she is.

no, not drunk, not on magic mushrooms. I think they have uncovered where....

Rosiepops said...

I wonder how this is going down on Casa Turd's and Viles?

Rosiepops said...

So all the antis that say "So Sue Me" may now just get their wish!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Good on you Kate & Gerry it is nothing less than you deserve. I hope when the time comes you also get an apology from the PJ.

This Tinks is now in kicking Ass mode.

Anonymous said...

they could not get this far,,,,,,without good reason.

I hope I am right.

really I do.

;o)))))

If it is libellous, they have to have 'knowledge' it is proveably wrong.

The only way they can for certain do that is if..........

SeaWitch said...

Well, well, well,

Good.

In the interests of justice and the preservation of free speech, may such disgraceful reporting never happen again.

chinadoll said...

Y............ESSSSSSSSS

and about time.

Most of the irresponsible reporting, was regurgitated from Portuguese Media.

I hope this is a test case - albeit, settled out of court.

It is about time we had honest and factual journalism, as the disgraceful standard of reporting, has led to many of the crazy worms, currently crawling around this tragedy, feeding from whatever they can get their suckers into.

Well done Kate, Gerry and family, for taking a stand - despite all you have on your plate.

calcite51 said...

Diane - great comments about the stupid book (I can't believe people are ACTUALLY supporting a book about an on-going investigation). Great news about the well-deserved apologies from the newspapers to the McCanns.

Mum21 said...

What great news...I got so excited I dropped a stitch or two.

Rosiepops said...

I bet they are going to love this!

Today the big boys tomorrow the people that think it is OK to allow the most heinous of libel of comments on their blogs!

Mum21 said...

2345 needs to start getting scared

Anonymous said...

party time party time party time

yes, seawitch may the press never, ever take readers for granted, use traumatised people for a 'good story' and for sake of sales publish totally opposing views on same headline......

The press have lost

The PJ have lost

The anti's have lost already although they won't admit that

The M was never in Portugal nuts have lost

the Madeira dreamy lawyer has lost

This is beginning of end I pray and hope. You know what I think, and why. Let it be true, please, please, please.

calcite51 said...

Well, Helen - since your comments don't get deleted - I think you should go over to the other blog and break the news gently to them.

Christabel said...

YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

I CAN HEAR THE CROWS NOW.
I hope they go for the sick B****d with the magazine too.

dianeh said...

Jane

I see where you are coming from but the McCanns dont have to prove their innocence. They are innocent until proven guilty. That is why wild accusations cannot be published. I wish you were right and they knew where Madeleine was but sadly, I am sure it is not the case.

Also, these papers were printing contradictory stories from one day to the next. They had to know that they were not true, since it isnt possible for all of them to be true. If you knowingly print falsehoods, then you are guilty of libel. I think it would be easy to prove that the papers knew what they were printing was lacking in truth.

I bet now, the 'others' will be saying that this proves that the McCanns have the influence attributed to them. When in reality, it is just a case of law, pure and simple.

Anonymous said...

this was coming from the Daily Mirror forum closure. writing on wall then.

Now blogs had better look out greatly. coz they are NEXT.


beginnings of a landslide....????

Christabel said...

12345, once I caught a fish alive.

Frrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeennnnnnnnnssssssssiiiiiiiiiicccccccccccssssssssssss

Tinkerbell43 said...

Dianeh,

You are right, it did need to be said and you said it well.

Good post.

Anonymous said...

Hello everyone,

Absolutely fantastic news!!!
I posted it on vile's blog, couldn't help myself

Anonymous said...

CALCITE

BUGGER GENTLY

ALL HORNS BLARING THANK YOU. I CAN NEVER ACCUSE THEM HERE OF BEING SUBTLE......

ALL'S FAIR.......IN LOVE AND.....

DOES SUPERTROLL KNOW THIS YET????

GREAT NEW AVATAR ROSIEPOPS. GREAT.....

Mum21 said...

Diane. What they are actually saying over on the House from Hell is "There is something fishy going on in the Kingdom of Her Majesty".

Alsa cannot accept she is beaten. But we know better.

dianeh said...

I just want to say, as well, that it is about time that the McCanns took action against those papers. Probably a few more need taking down as well.

Hopefullly, the press will learn from this and take seriously their responsibility for providing fair and balanced reporting and above all, truth in what they report.

I blame these papers for the rise of the anti McCann nutjobs as well. The papers fuelled their sick imaginations. They have a lot to answer for.

Anonymous said...

HA HA HA SUPERTROLL SOMEHOW I THOUGHT YOU JUST MIGHT.....HEE HEE HEE

COULDN'T HEL YOURSELF INDEED!!!!!!!!!!!

YIPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

Anonymous said...

HEY i AM PSYCHIC i SAID cLARA WOULD DO THIS TODAY IN MY POST IN AFTERNOON........

JUSTICE JANE??

WELL CAN'T BE MYSTIC MEG. CAN i??

;O) ;O) ;O) ;O) ;O)

chinadoll said...

And as for that Portuguese novel - due out soon, it is just that, a novel - make believe and dreamed up by a vivid/vicious imagination and I must not forget, Portuguese Style.

No wonder the pj are the laughing stock of Europe. Is this how they intend to display their make believe evidence to the world?

As for the author, he is, in my opinion, a scumbag.

He is ex pj - with continued contacts within that organisation.

He is head of the Missing Childrens Bureau (or something equivalent)

Madeleine is not registered as a missing child in the bureau run by the said author,

WHY ?

Because her parents are arguidos!

They are not interested in finding poor Madeleine.

They are interested in their own self promotion/preservation.

Oh and I forgot to mention, that the author is an arguido, along with four other pj officers in the matter of another mother being stitched up for the disappearance of her daughter.

Stinks like a tub of bad sardines and I am sorry to say that - but in this case, I did not want to insult the rest of the fish.

Christabel said...

Well girls all we want now is for the disgusting portuguese papers and PJ sued.All those that said the McCanns murdered Madeleine.

Oh dear and Alsashite said they could do NOTHING cos they are still arguido's.
Sometimes you have to admit you know nothing lolololololololol!

Anonymous said...

THE 'KINGDOM OF HER MAJESTY'??

BETTER THAN THE 'ANTI'S OF ARS***LES
filled wih avarice, antitruth, archaic secrecy laws, awful mouths, arrogant stances, antagonistic 2 faced greetings.....
and the rest.

JUSTICE. CLARA FOR ONCE YOU DID WELL AND YOU ARE ONLY BEGINNING.

yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

dianeh said...

While I am glad for the front page apologies and the money will help the McCanns keep looking for Madeleine, it is a bit like shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted.

The papers have caused much pain and influenced the weak minded. They will not so easily be persuaded that what was told to them was wrong. The anti's will continue in their tirades, this wont even cause them to question their beliefs.

Christabel said...

Rosie,
now we know where you've been lol !
Thats what Lizzy will be saying now Gerry lol roflmaso.

Anonymous said...

My comments have been deleted...

Viv is so fast!!!

Rosiepops said...

SeaWitch

I agree with your post wholeheartedly.

There has been a lot said about the supposed class and status of the McCann's which I find amazing as they have both come from working class and have worked hard to get where they are today.

This apparently is enough o make some people insanely jealous.

In some ways I think the McCann's perceived social status has worked against them.

This ruling tomorrow is telling. I wonder if it sets a precedent?

I felt the Daily Express was blatantly ignoring the McCann's human rights and some of the stuff I have seen written on there was absolutely staggering.

chinadoll said...

Christabel,

Spot on.

Portugal has defamed/libelled this family big time - the papers and media, the pj and the citizens.

Even if they keep playing their silly duplicitous secrecy card, they can and should be held accountable for behaving like a bunch of fishwives.

Mum21 said...

What our Portuguese posters do not understand is..Great Britain is not like Portugal. It does not have these underhand secrecy laws...it does not have charged policemen still working on cases....it does not allow a suspect to be violated in the press. Because a suspect is just that...a suspect and nothing more.

dianeh said...

Jane

Are you sure you are not holding back? Am I detecting a note of subtlety in your posts?

Rosiepops said...

I told you something was going to happen aorund this date didn't I?

Who needs a psychic detective?

chinadoll said...

Rosiepops,

Will you stop changing your clothes so much, you are making me dizzy lol

Anonymous said...

hope the pj do land tomorrow and see the glaring headlines.

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Anonymous said...

Diane

love it

ANTI-MCCANN ''NUTJOBS''.

TOO RIGHT.

They will all be choking on their bile and venom now no doubt at all. Ha Ha not one of them will be over 'here' tomorrow......for once they won't be deleted, just trounced.

look forward to it.

;o);o);o);o);o);o);o);o);o)

chinadoll said...

Hey Janegt,

I have a large glass of red and am puffing on my dunhill cigarette, with a big smile on my face - I am sure you will not begrudge me that, even if you won't join me lol

calcite51 said...

Jane, don't hold anything back - let it out! I think today was a very good news day after all! It far surpasses that dumb book by the ex-PJ - I wonder if it will be pulled off the shelves.

Portugal newspapers - watch - you are NEXT - Go, Clarence, Go!!

Tinkerbell43 said...

China,

You are so right, they are not interested in finding poor Madeleine, if they were they wouldnt have stopped looking after only 3 weeks.

IMO, I said earlier, I believe this book is being released to coincide with the PJ's visit and their final preparations to shelve the case.

The book will make the excuses of how the PJ have had an uphill struggle, and how their investigations have been hindered by political interference of the UK Government. Its just another face saving exercise preparing their public for no charges.

calcite51 said...

Rosie - you are the BEST.

chinadoll said...

Haven't had a chance to say a proper hello to everyone, just got carried away with the good news.

Strange how no one from the opposite camp, saw that coming.

They better start looking over their shoulders.

Rosiepops said...

China

I have to be working tonight some of my girlies have absconded! Hence the clothes changes!

calcite51 said...

Jane, have you noticed how well Diane has her say and she gets away with it? She's called the other blog morons, nutcases. None of them ever come back and give her hell about it - they take it as a compliment. I don't get it but keep it up Diane.

Rosiepops said...

Thanks Calcite, but it is just logical thinking, the next this is the lifting of the arguido status.

Coming very soon!

Anonymous said...

Thought I'd try my new clothes out for our trip to the Emerald Isles this weekend. Have you lot got yours sorted yet?

Anonymous said...

I hope the nasty blogs are next,

I really want some of the people there to explain some of their comments.

They are probably dreaming up some conspitracy theory, I would bet money that they will blame the government and 'dark forces'

ST

chinadoll said...

Absolutely, Tinks,

But, if that was not bad enough, the pj have, obviously, been colluding with ex colleagues to make up of fairy story, that they think the Portuguese people will swallow.

One day soon, the McCanns will have their say, arguido or no arguido status.

They will not be kicked all over the shop by the pj, their media or citizens, without fighting back.

Rosiepops said...

I got into trouble on the DX AND on here, accused of calling Canuckcow a moron, I have never done this, she knows it but has never apologised.

How is the news going down on Casa Turd's?

Christabel said...

Helen,
for goodness sake cover that butt.

Well girls what a good night eh?
think I'll go and celebrate, with a ciggy and a milkshake lol!

By the way China sorry didn't say hello !.

Oh dear what can the matter be Alsabellys stuck in the lavatory.

Anonymous said...

Well Gerry, oops Rosie, didn't you know that we are going on a trip this weekend? Naughty of you to have forgotten. That's after you go to court for your apology tomorrow!!lol

calcite51 said...

It's amazing what you can find out on the internet - Canuckgal has been all over the internet - she has pictures of herself on the web. Her opinion on different subjects is also on the internet.

She complained about something and got a very RUDE response from the company - they CANCELLED her membership with them. That should tell you something.

Rosie, I haven't seen her around - did you ban her?

Rosiepops said...

China it works something like this.

The Portuguese press and the British press meet in a place called Hugo Beaty's in PDL.

A woman translator comes in. in the morning she translates what the Portuguese journalists want to give the British journalists and then this 4th hand info gets shoved in the British press, before it gets there it is padded out by old rehashed stories.

What they keep forgetting is the Portuguese journalists hate the British journalists and this is why we have been force fed this rubbish!

dianeh said...

Calcite, Rosie

These are the rules that I stick to when name calling on the blogs.

1. Stick as close to the truth as possible. The best defence for libel (ha ha has) is the truth.

2. Dont call individuals by special pet names.

3. Be consistent with what you call them. I have many names for them but all basically take on the 1 of two themes.
1. Deranged or insane
2. Weak minded

Most of the names I use fall within these.

I hope this is of assistance to you the next time you feel the need.

chinadoll said...

Sky are discussing the headlines now.

A very thorough and it would appear, sincere apology from the Express Group.

Mum21 said...

Supertroll.
Alsa rhinks because hers is only a blog...not a newspaper...she is safe from the libel laws. She could be in for a nasty shock soon.
Libel is libel..no matter where it is uttered. After all these blogs are on the world wide internet.
She thinks we are running scared...poor fool.

chinadoll said...

Yes Rosiepops,

As do some Portuguese citizens, hate British citizens and are motivated to feed them their make believe stories and reel them in when they take the bait.

Saddos

Christabel said...

China,

I think you mean bare faced LIES and for a reason ?

chinadoll said...

Christabel,

Same as, same as.

Anonymous said...

Claudia is busy digging herself the biggest hole. We'll see now how the other British posters feel about her rant of the British press. 'shitty' was ued several times.

dianeh said...

Seawitch

totally agree with your comment about blaming the parents. I have posted a number of times (and according to Calcite brought down the Skynews site with one of them) about how the placing of blame on the parents is being used to reduce the responsibility for the criminals (abductors, rapists, murderers) for their own actions.

The blame lies solely with the criminals. Having the opportunity doesnt mean that it should be taken. Having the opportunity inadvertently provided by the parents or family, doesnt reduce the guilt of the criminals. Yet I see in the blame game that has carried on with the McCanns and with Scarlet's mum, the abductor, rapist and murderers are getting far less blame than the parents.

What a warped society we live in.

Rosiepops said...

Calcite

No we didn't ban her! She was very rude to me once accusing me of getting her name wrong on purpose and of accusing her of being a moron, the error in her name was a genuine mistake (unlike tonight) and I had never called her a moron, in fact I cannot even remember what she was talking about.

Anyway I forgot about it as I do not like bearing grudges and all was well for a short while, them the DX went belly up and the next thing I know Canuckcow is back on Casa Turd's and on here being less than pleasant about me.

I think she posts on Casa Turd's.
I am not surprised to earn of her reputation!

Anonymous said...

Mum21,

I agree with you completely, libel is libel. These people knew exactly what they were writing(2345 may be the exception).

The blogs were set up for the sole purpose of destroying the McCann's reputation and villifying them.

Silly little disclaimers at the bottom of the page are not going to help.

In the vile blog they are only discussing Shannon at the moment.

Are they going to turn on them now?

ST

Tinkerbell43 said...

Well on such a happy note, I'm going to bid you good people a goodnight. I have a feeling I will sleep well tonight.

Night everyone xxx

chinadoll said...

Diane,

Your post to Seawitch - spot on.

Seawitch - Hi.

chinadoll said...

Back on Sky now.

Christabel said...

Tinks,
Nite and Bless xx

chinadoll said...

Sky.

Tomorrow at court 13 of the High Court, the McCanns should receive a public apology - in addition to the headline apologies.

This is a legal precedent - by my reading.

Mum21 said...

Good Night Ladies. I am off to bed too. All this excitement is not doing my knitting any good.
See you all tomorrow

Anonymous said...

Just heard on Sky that some newspapers sometimes have to apologise for printing stories that they believed to be true...But is this case they didn't care if what they printed was true or not.

They made money out of printing all these stories and they gave morons like Vile and Ars a voice.

I will never ever buy those newspapers. The Express has now lost any credibility it hadn't already lost with their coverage of the Princess Diana stories.

ST

Rosiepops said...

Hi Diane

In fact in the case of poor little Madeleine, her abductors are not even being officially sought, so the know they have got off of this terrible heinous crime Scott free, they musty be laughing their heads off at the Portuguese and the Portuguese police. How many children have got to go missing before it is acknowledged there is a huge problem?

Rosiepops said...

China

I think you are correct, this is a leag precedent.

Rosiepops said...

Tinks

Good night sleep well take care xxx

(Told you!)

Anonymous said...

MUM21

loved that humour......yep indeed sh*t and aim......FIRE...

I am trying to work out if the little Irish Leprechaun is taking his trousers off, or putting them on.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

does Rosiepops kno we have all resigned now???

Bloggstreetparty.

Yes, glass of red, big smile is OK chinadoll, just not the gaspers.

Indeed, what next, as I know this is the beginning, NOT THE end of clara's agenda. First time he has earned his money, but he did tonight. Been a long time coming. Actually the day it started was the Daily Mirror going down.

as they say bloggers on the 'dark sde'

BE AFRAID

BE VERY, VERY AFRAID.


i'll be back........... ;o))))))))))))

SeaWitch said...

Hello,

Hi, China and Diane,

Agree with your posts - nothing more to add to them. Spot on.

chinadoll said...

Mum21 and Tinkerbell,

Goodnight to you too, you lovely ladies.

Anonymous said...

Chinadoll re your post of 2255

'As do some Portuguese citizens, hate British citizens and are motivated to feed them their make believe stories and reel them in when they take the bait.'



A prime example would be this from Claudia







P.S: I love the way you people admit that even your journalists aren't intelligent enough to write their own shitty stories. Hilarious! lolololol

If this doesn't show her in her true colours nothing does. You only have to feel sad for those British posters who hang on to her every word.

dianeh said...

Hi Rosie

If Madeleine is still alive, then I really dont know how she will ever be found. Maybe interpol will have some luck.

I think too that if the abductor got Madeleine away from PDL, then they would have had no reason to kill her. So it is possible she is still alive. And as the borders etc were not closed or checked, then it really is possible she was taken away undetected. Once away from Portugal, it would be easy to hide her, even out in public.

I also think that if she was killed by a predatory paedophile, then she would have been killed very close to when she was taken both in time and location. So her remains would still be there. Often in these situations, the remains are discovered as they are not well hidden. But then there are cases where they are not found for years and years, and in some cases never found at all.

But as I said, if she is still alive, how is she going to be found? Many chances to find her have probably gone by the wayside now. Hopefully it is not too late.

chinadoll said...

Who's next then?

Slowly, slowly, catchee monkey

or catch ya monkey.

Anonymous said...

GOOD NIGHT TINKERBELL AND MUM21

I trust I will see you tomorrow. I will be on early tomorrow morning to dissect the news too. Hope you will be on before noon too. Look dorward t speaking then.......


What next???

Indeed....what next. It can only get better. They must be sick and green faced over on the dark side.

Supertroll now too is totally exonerated from all the bile she got undeservedly. Great all round.

chinadoll said...

HelenM,

Claw de puss, is clawing/clutching at straws.

I truly hope her followers/believers, reconsider their positions and take personal responsibility for what they post in future.

Anonymous said...

don't think for one second the Express group will lie down ad die. They named their sources as the Portuguese Press and the PJ......the knock on effect has to happen. They are no stool pidgeons.......it has a knock on effect, like dominoes. Just wait to see where the last one falls.
If they take requests, I would like to nominate .........!!!

chinadoll said...

Rosiepops,

Are you changing your clothes again lol?

chinadoll said...

Supertroll,

I just read that your posts are being deleted from a certain site.

Perhaps they wish to continue in make believe land and pretend all is well with them and theirs?

Keep up the good work Troll.

Rosiepops said...

China

what were you saying? LOL

Anonymous said...

yes CALCITE

Diane has always been their 'darling' as they are too dim to realise when she is insulting and challenging them. beats me.....but hey. good.

bring it on!!!!!!!!!

2345 will be self examining her own navel for dust and fluff now won't she? Well she has to. The brain scan showed nothing. Nothing at all. as if we didn't know that.

Rosiepops said...

I bet old fffffoooorrreeeennnsssiiicccss is going to be so upset about this, she will have to enage her dictionary again!

Anonymous said...

I am off to bed, do goodnight everyone.

I think some people are in denial as seen by Leigh's post addressed to me:

leigh3 said...
To the person deleted from this forum:

Here's how it works: you get the money in the short term, you give back much more than that in the long term.

It's a done deal. It works every time. Save your pennies.

Beyond pennies: there is the priceless pursuit of truth - something you cannot afford, and others can afford :-)

See you in court, eventually, pal.
-----------------------------------
And thers are worried, as seen by notdoc's post to Viv:

docmac said...
Okay Viv

You are the legal eagle :-)
I'll wait and see how it pans put.
-----------------------------------

The next few days are going to be interesting.

Good night
Regards
ST

Rosiepops said...

Hi Supertroll

I have always tghought Leigh3 was a male by her use of language, tonight the use of 'pal' virtually confirms this.

Luke or Lee you decide!

Personally that posts sounds like he is really hacked off, I wonder how he will feel when the arguido status is lifted?

night take care, sleep well xxx

Rosiepops said...

I see by Supertroll's post that notdoc sounds subdued and is rowing back from making his usual libellous comments!

chinadoll said...

Behave yourself Rosiepops, you are revealing too much frontage lol

dianeh said...

Jane

I dont know why I get away with it either. But I dont go and post on either of the vitriol sites. But I do give the odd person a hurry up on ST's site. Depends how I feel.

Anonymous said...

Night all see you mane.

Rosiepops said...

Jane

I wonder what 2345 will comment on now? Surely she cannot keep making these libellous comments now?

Rosiepops said...

Helen

good night sleep well, take care xxx

China, I think my frontage is much nicer than Helen's rearage! lol

Anonymous said...

Rosiepops,

I think Leigh is Nanday, the posts are repetitive, only a parrot would constantly be saying something as dumb as

'slowly, slowly, catchy monkey'

China, thanks. To have my posts deleted from that blog is an honour.

I predict that some of the other posters will soon be wishing they had that honour too.

Now really I am off to bed.
Have a good night everyone

;)
ST

dianeh said...

Apparently Leigh has forgotten to watch the telly.

The Express group has capitulated without a fight. There will be no appeal, no paying money back. Done deal.

Sorry Leigh, but you are wrong again.

chinadoll said...

Troll,

I just quoted the monkey drivel.

No doubt, you saw it.

Goodnight.

chinadoll said...

Rosiepops.

I'd rather not go there thanks luv.

chinadoll said...

Archer,

May I take this opportunity of apologising for my bad manners the other evening. I can be a little (to say the least) coarse at times, especially, if wound up by the likes of another poster that was given house room that evening.

Please accept my apologies for any misunderstanding I had/harboured at that point in time.

I realise you are not here at the moment and hope you will catch up when you log on.

Once again,

Sorry.

Anonymous said...

SUPERTROLL GOOD NIGHT. SEEP VERY VERY WELL.

DIANE - i KNOW WHERE YOU POST i DO READ THEM AND STILL CANNOT WORK OUT HOW YOU GET AWAY WITH IT.....YOU SPEAK AS YOU FIND YET YOU ARE STILL 'LOVED'. HA HA HA

BEATS ME.

Even though you may not actually 'post' on other site not to be mentioned here, you are copied and pasted there....and welcomed. HUH.

!!?????

rosipops put that knitted vest on Mum21 knitted for you. You will catch your death. You also have 2 cream cakes dropped in your cleavage that does not look pretty.

Now be a good Madame. dig them out.

And yes, to the posters that have said to me tonight. 'Oh Jane say what you mean' ha ha ha eeek

BUGGER SUBTLE. TOO HAPPY. BLUNT RULES. tonight at least. goood nneeeewwwwsss.


2345.6678 will have a breakdown. fffffffffffffffffforrrrensically
analysed one, naturally. She'll make a wonderful loo disinfector. At Gatwick and Heathrow. 2 in 1. 2345. yeah.

more to come......lot more to come.

Anonymous said...

DIANE

No wonder they could not fight, they had opposin headlines in same paper on same day, day after day after day.......ad nauseum. They actually deserve this. They used their readers and now I am sure they will never be trusted again. Not one bit. Everyone has now a healthy comtempt o the press.

Naurally their 'sources' are now deep in sh1t. Good. Let's see how they like it too. The cascade effect has only just started. Can't wait to see the end of the 'big dipper' and it ain't in this country.

I will be there with my knitting though along with the rest of the WI................waving flags.

too right.

;o))))))))))

SeaWitch said...

Goodnight, all.

Have a very restful sleep, ladies.

dianeh said...

Jane

I didnt realise they copied my posts. Never seen any of my own posts on there but I dont look anymore.

Here's a strange thing. I found a post I made on here, on a newspaper forum the other day. Now it was pro, so it didnt matter but I was shocked to see it, considering I never posted to that site. It even had my name on it and was word for word what I had posted on here.

Very strange, very strange.

chinadoll said...

I will not be rude and retire without saying goodnight folks.

So goodnight from me and goodnight from her. lol.

Hey Janegt,

Wrap up and keep warm hun.

Anonymous said...

night Seawitch.

sleep well. see you soon.

Diane, I am actually not sure your posts were copied, your views were and yor name came up. They said you were the only reasonable poster from the 'pros' and you were welcome there.

ha ha ha ha......and others I can't recall, just was left with the general feeling of what they thought of you. hee hee hee hee.

can't they read and digest????

Ah well. I am on Sky now, wall to wal McCann reports on the apologies in detail....YEAH YEAH YEAH.........Puts hat idiot's stupid fiction book to a peep doesn't it. good. also the pj visit.....all in the shade now. This eclipses the lot.

GOOD GOOD GOOD

I FEEL REALLY ELATED. CAN YOU TELL???


HO HO HO HO HO 0000000000000000000000;O0;O0;O0;O0
THAT'S MY PLATES, ON MY FEET, SPINNING WILDLY. ;O0

dianeh said...

Jane

I also have sky news uk on. And the other story that is interesting is the McCartney/Mills divorce. And notice that they are talking about how the newspapers will be able to say what they like about her as long as it is in the same vein as the judgement. Cant be libel because the judge said it? The libel case by the McCann has already made an impact.

chinadoll said...

Just my usual last word.

I, met all of you on the DX HYS forum.

The DX has had its say and that, to me, speaks volumes.

As for tomorrow,

Bring it on.

Goodnight all - have to log off now, the other half requires my attention.

Catch up later.

Rosiepops said...

Good night All

On this night that at last a little bit of peace can go to Kate and Gerry, they do not have to fear being maligned by the press any longer.

I just hope that Madeleine is found soon, nothing less than this could ever help this dignified couple.

Well done Kate and Gerry xxx

XXX God Bless Madeleine xxx

calcite51 said...

Have to sign off and make dinner - will be back later on.

Oh, what a good day it turned out to be!

dianeh said...

Good night to you all.

I hope that Madeleine is found and returned to her family very very soon.

chinadoll said...

Sorry everyone,

I know you thought I had pi.sed off to bed, but I was glued on Sky and saw a particularly poignant photograph.

Gerry was pulling Kate in towards him and shielding her from what was going on.

Their eyes were forlorn and downcast. Maybe no-one else saw this photo? Terribly sad.

What really made an impression, was their unity. That is what will see them through this nightmare.



There, but for the grace of God, go I.

Anonymous said...

popped off sorry

good night chinadoll

DAUGHTER DOWN just before midnight FOR HOT CHOCOLATE, fffffrrrreeezzzzing cold and'STARVING' So HAD to make a tuna baguette and salad etc etc...oh dear. and yes, I did give her dinner too.....eeeek.

see you soon Chinadoll.....sorry I missed you.

I am staying on Sky and BBC news as feel quite awake and buoyant now......

Anonymous said...

OI CHINADOLL!!!!!!

YOU KEEP SAYING GOODNIGHT AND NEVER GO. YOU ARE ALMOST AS BAD AS DOPPELDEDOODADADAD23 NOW WITH ALL THESE COMEBACKS.

GO TO BED YOUR HUBBIE IS COLD......

ha ha ha wysiwyg int'it????

love lala

ooops Jane

some plonker called me la la tonight. I know who they are. I have spiked their cocoa with antifreeze. No probs.

Anonymous said...

DIANE

GOOD NIGHT

see you soon, I enjoy your posts. Catch you maybe tomorrow if you are on for he 'fallout'

Anonymous said...

good night rosiepops

You apparently said something was happening today. I think it was Gina and Mum21 talking about it.

...and it did....

now about these winning lottery numbers for Saturday.......


???????

hope the rest of what you state comes true, soon, too.

calcite51 said...

Diane,

calcite51 said...

Hi, Diane - reading some of the comments tonight - there is an issue with blogs that I am very concerned with and that is the copying and pasting of comments from one blog to another. I've never seen any of your comments copied to another blog.

I wonder about copyrights issue - I've seen people copy and paste complete articles from newspapers -I prefer to do the link.

I am very happy that the McCann decided to challenge the newspapers but unfortunately, it does not bring Madeleine back.

I've never really stated my opinion in a HYS format before this case. It has been an eye-opening experience for me.

It changes something in you - I have had discussions with friends about this case and they would probably be bloggers on Viv's or Asabella's blog. And yet, when we've discussed this case, we've never made it personal and I have never felt attacked or been the attacker. On these blogs, somehow, it's all right to attack and go in for the kill.

Sadly enough, the one thing the McCanns probably want is to have Madeleine back and that hasn't happened yet.

So, I say a thank you to the powers that be but I also say a prayer for Madeleine.

See you tomorrow or if you're on and you want to talk, let me know.

Anonymous said...

hi calcite, and diane

i am amazingly still here. didn't expect to be but your last post a couple of minutes' ago bounced up. It was so poignant I felt I had to 'pop back'. I am still on the roll around news re the McCanns.......

I too have never ever been so affected by a story, never been on a blog, to be frank I looked down on them. Teenagers stuff. I thought. but somehow this totally hooked me in. I think lots of others too. Whereas we here care, the other blogs to me apportion blame which is not my view of what this should be about.

I know a lot are 'seasoned bloggers' if you excuse that as it sounds rude......but I am not. a seasoned blogger I mean. rude???.....possibly. ;o)))

calcite51 said...

Hi,Jane - thanks for being here - just felt when I left here tonight, Diane was upset.

I think some of the people on the other blogs do have a passion for justice. I'm just not ready to play judge and jury on this case. And some people were very rude but then I wrote things I would NEVER, EVER say to people if I was speaking to them (so I'm guilty too).

calcite51 said...

No, Jane - you have never been rude. There are some people on these blogs that if I met personally, I don't think we'd hit it off. I loved your comments about the highway whores - they were cute and the cat's claws - priceless.

Anonymous said...

CALCITE

hello

I had not realised that Diane could be upset. Oh dear. Do you know why? I know she mentioned a post of hers was published in a paper but she had not posted it. Do you think it was that?

I don't like to think of anyone upset from this blog.

What a shame.

dianeh said...

Jane & Calcite

I had only posted the odd thing on a newpaper forum. Never bothered with blogs. But it was the crap that was being put on the DX that spurred me to post.

strangely, I dont know anyone that thinks the McCanns are guilty of anything other than leaving the kids alone. I have discussed a number of times with a number of people and they all think that although wrong to leave the children, they do believe that Madeleine was abducted and that the McCanns played no part in it. This is for various reasons. Maybe Australia's shame over the treatment of Lindy Chamberlain is part of it, but we are not so quick to judge. Also, our press here was very favourable to the McCanns and never printed those libelous stories and when they did, they made them out to be rubbish, as we know they are.

So when I speak with people about it, there is never any angst.

Lets face it, those who get angry over our comments, are probably not playing with the full deck. I dont care if the anti's disagree with me and I dont care that they think we are all thick. I have not yet heard any reasonable argument as to why the McCanns are guilty of anything other than leaving the kids alone. And that is because there is no reasonable argument because there is no evidence, no articles, nothing to back up the accusations. The libel case today indicates that the DX knew what they printed was not true before they printed it. If there were real evidence, out in the open and subject to scrutiny, I may then be persuaded of guilt, that in fact is the only way that I will be persuaded. And I think the angry comments directed at us etc are a frustration because we hold fast to these beliefs. And those making the angry comments think that they should be able to change our minds. As I said, produce some evidence that is not hearsay, or how someone should have reacted, or based on spurious press reports, or bad/slanted translations of foreign articles, and perhaps we would be swayed.

But since no evidence exists, well, you know the rest.

dianeh said...

Girls

I wasnt upset. I have work to do and was sadly being too sidetracked today. Actually I was very happy for the McCanns and was having a giggle at how 'high' Jane was.

But I was concerned over my post turning up on a newspaper forum. I know I didnt post it. I also found the original on here. It makes me wonder about what is being posted on those sites. My post was simple and to the point, so I dont see why they would have copied it. They could have used it under their own name and I wouldnt even have noticed.

Very strange.

calcite51 said...

Don't you guys think it's odd that this came out today when the ex-PJ's book came out today too?? What a coincidence. I think someone higher than the PM is looking after Kate and Gerry.

Anonymous said...

oh good diane

I did not like to think something here had upset you.

STUFF THEM IGNORANT SODS.

to put it subtley. ha ha

It was dog eat dog, the press trying to outdo each other with teasing, accusatory headlines and they just chewed themselves up. I am, actually, glad, as I feel our press has been out of control for a long time. The Daily Mail, the 'standard' for family values has crasehd of late. It is no such thing. This blame culture gets on my goat big tme and I have had enough, and I think a very very large number of the population have too. NOT BEFORE TIME.

People cannot spew out what they like without knowing there have to be consequences. Standards, Morals, Honesty no to hell with that, publish and be damned is the mantra. One day, someone sometime was going to win a challenge over this amoral stance.

The McCanns just have. GOOD. This is now out of control and getting it back will be probably impossible, but at least it can be brought back to an acceptable level.

It has been spiralling out of control far too long.

dianeh said...

Calcite

I think that there is not much that I have written on the blogs that I wouldnt say to someone's face. Assuming of course that person isnt carrying a concealed weapon. It does of course depend upon how they talk to me. If nice, then I am nice, if not, well ...............

I once sat in a business meeting and one of my colleagues said to my boss.
"With all due respect Brian, but you are a fool", so I take my cue from that colleague. Very confrontational but oh so funny to work with. I nearly wet my pants that day and that was years before I had any kids.

calcite51 said...

All right, Diane, get back to work then - I am absolutely thrilled for the McCanns.

Anonymous said...

ha ha ha high? moi???

is that why I can't sleep now????? eeek

I am somehow jubilant and hope it is the first step to something a lot better. I still hold that belief. As I said my head says NO. I can't let it go as my heart says yes all the time and I will not let go. I am biting ankles here and have the bone in sight.

so.....HIGH AM I?

What made you think that with my understated muted posts....???

hee hee hee


;o)))

calcite51 said...

Did your colleague keep his job?

Anonymous said...

our weather forecast just said snow coming tomorrow.

ah great news.

;o(((((((((((((((((((

dianeh said...

Jane

Agreed. I think the DM is fairly ordinary, I didnt realise it espoused family values. Must have missed the by lines.

Calcite

the timing of the libel settlement was extremely good.

But we all know they would give it all up if it would give Madeleine back today.

dianeh said...

Yes, it is very difficult to get sacked here for disagreeing with your boss. You really need to not do your work or hit the boss to get the sack.

Actually, the colleague got promoted in the end but sadly couldnt cope with the politics within the Corporation and left. The boss was sacked for being incompetent (he was a fool) I had already left. Too many men and way to confrontational for me.

calcite51 said...

I really hope the next one they go after is the ex-PJ - I can't believe that he was ALLOWED to even consider writing a book in an ongoing investigation - blows me away.

Anonymous said...

diane

I know this will not help, but my posts have ended up on other blogs, been attacked etc etc etc and I even read one on supertrolls site and I hadn't a clue. If they need that, they can have nothing of worth to say themselves, = means they are losing.....

well I would have to say that as nothing else can justify it.

Glad I make you giggle. ;o))))

I seem to have that effect....madder I get, the more people fall apart. I got something wrong somewhere somehow.

dianeh said...

I too hope that this is the beginning of the final phase of the search for Madeleine.

I had a feeling the last few weeks that something was going to happen and I like you Jane, dont think it has happened yet. This libel action isnt it, I think.

But the last time I had this feeling, Kate and Gerry were made arguidos. So I hope this feeling has a better outcome than the last time.

calcite51 said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
dianeh said...

Calcite

It blows me away as well, that Portugal can allow such a blatant side stepping of their precious secrecy laws.

But like I said earlier, he will need to be very careful, as he will be treading close to the line as far as libel goes and now he knows that he will be chased if he goes over the line.

dianeh said...

Which one of you deleted your own post.

Was it that bad????

calcite51 said...

I saw one of my comments tonight the one that said go, go, clarence - go get the ex-PJ or the Portuguese reporters. It was the emotion I felt at that moment.

calcite51 said...

It was my comment that I deleted - poor grammar. The last comment before this one was what I meant to say. Btw, I didn't post anything on Alsabella's blog - but just wanted to read the reaction.

dianeh said...

Calcite

We should be happy. This is really the first good thing that has happened to the McCanns since Madeleine went missing.

And yes, I did notice your very exuberant posts.

It has been nice chatting but once again, this is not getting my work done.

So I will say good night and hopefully catch up soon. Not tomorrow, I have to sit an exam tomorrow morning but will be working tomorrow afternoon, trying busily to get as much done as I can before Easter.

Cheers

God Bless Beautiful Little Madeleine.

calcite51 said...

You guys are all psychics right? Rosie was gone for the better part of the day - the other blog was wondering she was. Rosie finally comes in, ten minutes after she walks in the news is on about the DE - apology and settlement to the McCanns.

Jane - I think you were wondering if they knew where Madeleine was - I think it was you. Are you picking something up?

Diane - you have the same feeling now just before they were made arguidos. Maybe the arguido charges will be dropped.

Anonymous said...

Diane

with that load of incompetents at work, how can you get upset coz some creep or creepess lifts your post and puts it out......stuff them.

The pj HAVE A LOT of corruption. It will come out. sooner rather than later, I hope.

I too hope this is the beginning of a new road for the Madeleine hunt. I cannot logically explain this at all. Just a strong gut feeling it is not over at all by a long way. There still is hope, still a chance, and that must be clung to in the absence of any 'proof'.

I have never been at all concerned or bothered by a story apart from Princess Diana's death......but this has gripped me. I still have to have hope. as Kate and Gerry must. This case an the papers completely caving in with no contest, to me, suggests an awful awful lot. It suggests there clearly IS no evidence, NO forensics of value in court, NO status to charge the McCanns. all equals hope. Madness, I know, but I do think they have an idea of where she is. I am not saying they 'have' her, they know......

I want it so much, maybe I am unbalanced, but if it were my daughter I would be feeling this even more. I owe it to her, I owe it to Kate and Gerry. The majority of people lost faith in them. I canno until it is proven to me otherwise. And I mean concrete proof, not accusations. I have to hold on to that. We all must in fairness, decency and morally.

Portugal has lost so much face in so many ways because of this. I will not go there again. A lot of people feel his too. Pity.

calcite51 said...

Good nite, Jane, Good nite, Diane - good nite all - I hope you all have a good nite.

God bless and look after all the children.

Anonymous said...

well gotta go to bed now it is 3.12 am. oh dear. feel so awake with this news.

enjoy your day girls, and see you soon.

and do not worry about copying cybercreeps and creepesses. Their saddos. at worst, it can be sourced from their ip info.....so don't worry.

good mornng......eeek ;o(((

Jane

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