Sunday 13 April 2008

Why Portugal is a haven for paedophiles - the disturbing backcloth to the Madeleine case

By ANDREW MALONE and VANESSA ALLEN



Somewhat older - but nothing seems to have changed!!!



A ferrari engine makes a deep, distinctive sound.


When the children at Portugal's most famous orphanage heard the sports car roaring down the driveway, fear swept through the dormitories.


The noise could mean only one thing: the man known as The Doctor was coming to call.
Yet this medical practitioner had no intention of adhering to the ancient Hippocratic Oath.

Instead, arriving at Casa Pia (House of the Pious), a 17th century Lisbon orphanage where more than 4,000 children are cared for each year behind high stone walls, the doctor would summon selected boys and girls from their beds for examinations one night each week.


Where possible, he chose deaf-mutes.


After checking that the children were not suffering from any sexual infections, the doctor was joined by the orphanage caretaker, known as Bibi, who ushered the unfortunate children outside to a waiting van.


With the doctor following in his red Ferrari, Bibi drove the van to the prestigious homes of some of the leading members of Lisbon society - ranging from Portuguese government ministers and high-ranking diplomats, to famous television stars and members of the judiciary.


There, the children were repeatedly sexually abused. Some were allegedly drugged to make them compliant; others were plied with alcohol.


This continued for years. Assaults were filmed; pictures of one attack were subsequently found at the home of a suspected paedophile in Paris.


According to medical records, the victims' injuries were horrific - and consistent with serious sexual assault and rape. In witness statements, many were able to describe in minute detail the homes where they were taken and identifying marks on the bodies of their abusers.


The existence of this so-called "magic circle" of the Portuguese establishment, allegedly involved in an international paedophile ring using boys and girls from Casa Pia, was last week likened to an earthquake waiting to shake Portugal to its foundations.


New allegations about the scale of the network will be put before the country's highest court within the next few weeks.


Amid rumours of links to other paedophile gangs across Europe and the U.S., international experts on child sex crimes and murders are expected to be in court when the case re-opens, four years after a group of victims broke a silence lasting more than 30 years.


But what relevance does this have to the disappearance 170 days ago of four-year-old Madeleine McCann in Praia da Luz, about 280km from Lisbon?


And what does it mean for Kate and Gerry McCann, who have not only had to cope with losing their child, but have also been subjects of a vicious campaign in the Portuguese press to smear them?


It is crucial for two reasons; first because it proves what international crime agencies have long suspected: that Portugal has become a magnet for predatory paedophiles from around the world, using the country's lax laws and preying on the high numbers of poor, abandoned children.


And second, because Paulo Rebelo, an urbane, methodical detective who led the Casa Pia paedophile inquiry, was last night finishing his first week as the new chief of the investigation into the disappearance of the British child.


Rebelo has replaced Goncalo Amaral, the "oafish" local police chief out of his depth in a case that has captured unprecedented world attention, with millions fascinated by the story of the girl snatched from her bed on holiday while her parents ate with friends 200 yards away.


The sight of the sweaty, corpulent Amaral in restaurants and cafes near the Portimao police headquarters had become commonplace since Madeleine disappeared.


While the McCanns were warned repeatedly they faced jail for speaking about the case, he was been overheard, during his daily three-hour lunches of wine and shellfish, accusing the couple of killing their daughter.


In one conversation with Portugal's ex-Formula One racing driver Pedro Lamy, Amaral revealed he was convinced the McCanns drugged their daughter and accidentally killed her. "The police case is we are sure the parents killed Madeleine. They are both doctors and know about drugs.


"We are confident in our case," he said.


In an effort to make up for lost time following Amaral's dismissal, Rebelo has recruited his own men from Lisbon. To the fury of the original officers, he has lost little time in sidelining them, bringing in two child sex experts from the Casa Pia case as well as homicide specialists and computer analysts - known as "the cleaners" due to their reputation for leaving no stone unturned.


According to senior police sources, he also launched a furious private attack on the 100 officers involved in the original inquiry, which he has now cut back to 40.


At a meeting, he accused some officers of having "closed minds" about who was guilty, saying that "pre-conceptions should be challenged".


In addition, he oversaw Operation Predator - raids on more than 70 suspected paedophiles, whose computers were searched last week for images of Madeleine or other evidence of criminal sexual acts. Although by last night Rebelo had failed to make a breakthrough, sources say it is a clear sign, along with reports that Russian child traffickers may be involved, of a strand of his current thinking.


In a Lisbon café, an associate of Rebelo told the Mail: "The Casa Pia case had a deep affect on Paulo. You come across things that are appalling and cruel. But you get a feeling that there are some seriously bad people in the world, and some of them are here. He does not rule anything out."


So, after enduring months of soul-destroying leaks from the Portuguese police - from claims that they drugged Madeleine and then disposed of her body, to allegations that Gerry was not even her real father - the McCanns are no longer the sole focus of the Portuguese police investigation.
But the nightmare goes on. A group of officers loyal to Amaral are still leaking smears to the Portuguese press.

(...)
His career in tatters and now back on desk duties in Faro, Amaral faces a criminal hearing in the case of another missing child, Joana Cipriano, after being accused of concealing evidence that the girl's mother was tortured into confessing to her murder.


Amaral and his colleagues face countless unanswered questions about mistakes in the original police investigation into Maddie's disappearance, such as failing to ensure the McCanns' apartment was sealed off for forensics. (This did not happen until the next day, by which time the McCanns, their friends, resort staff and detectives had traipsed through, destroying potentially vital evidence.)


They also failed to seal off the Mark Warner Ocean Club resort. No roadblocks were set up and police on the Spanish border - two hours' drive away - were not alerted for 12 hours. Staff were only quizzed 60 hours later. And the CCTV footage from a busy main road was never studied. The list of mistakes goes on.


While the shift in the investigation may ease the intolerable pressure on the McCanns, it will do little to console them.


As well as growing fears that Madeleine was abducted by a paedophile ring, they can have little hope of justice when leading Portuguese figures are allegedly involved in covering-up their own child sex scandal.


Both cases - the two highestprofile criminal investigations in the country since the end of the Portuguese military dictatorship in 1974 - have been riven by allegations of compromised police officers, high-level interference and vicious, virulent attacks on key witnesses.


Pedro Namora, a former Casa Pia orphan who witnessed 11 rapes on fellow orphans, during which they were tied to their beds, sympathises with the McCanns. He believes elements in the force have conspired to suppress both scandals, fearing damage to the country's reputation.
"Portugal is a paedophiles' paradise," said Mr Namora, now a lawyer campaigning on behalf of the Casa Pia victims. "If all the names come out, this will be an earthquake in Portugal. There is a massive, sophisticated network at play here - stretching from the government to the judiciary and the police.


"The network is enormous and extremely powerful. There are magistrates, ambassadors, police, politicians - all have procured children from Casa Pia. It is extremely difficult to break this down. These people cover for each other, because if one is arrested, they all are arrested. They don't want anyone to know."


Now 44, Mr Namora watched as friends sank into alcoholism, drug addiction and death after their traumatic childhood experiences at Casa Pia. "I was the only one who made it," he said. "What could I do? I couldn't keep silent."


He has received death threats and warnings about what will happen to his own children, after taking up the case when an orphan called "Joel" approached him, saying prominent paedophiles were using Casa Pia as a "supermarket for children".


Mr Namora has been threatened after fighting on behalf of the abused children he grew up with.
After being telephoned by a stranger offering to pay off his mortgage, he was told the exact movements of his own three children, and warned that they and their father would come to a grisly end unless he shut up.


An open, warm man, Mr Namora makes an unlikely conspiracytheorist-But he believes the case, which he brought to light in 2003, will underscore Portugal's growing attraction for paedophiles, which has seen six children disappear in recent years.


One reason for this attraction is that the law was quietly relaxed last year, ahead of the forthcoming trial, meaning that repeat offences against the same child would merit only a single charge - and a lesser sentence.


In echoes of the McCanns' ordeal, the initial investigation was badly handled when allegations of abuse were first made at Casa Pia in 1982. Carlos Silvino, the man known as Bibi, was linked to rapes and assaults, but police "lost" pictures showing prominent Lisbon politicians with him and the children.


He was only charged after dozens of children came forward in 2003. They also accused Jorge Ritto, a former Portuguese ambassador, of child abuse. Ritto, it transpired, had also once been sent home in disgrace from a posting in Germany after an incident involving a young boy in a park.


The conspiracy did not end there. Teresa Costa Macedo, a former secretary of state for the family, has revealed that she knew about the attacks in the early Eighties - and that she had alerted General Antonio Ramalho Eanes, the then Portuguese president, about the allegations.
Mrs Costa Macedo, who remained silent for two decades after being warned she would be killed if she spoke, now says that the caretaker "was just one element in a huge paedophile network that involved important people in our country. It wasn't just him [the caretaker]. He was a procurer of children for well-known people who range from diplomats and politicians to people linked to the media".


While still a government minister, Costa Macedo handed police "photographs, an account of the methods used to spirit children out of the orphanage and testimonies of a number of children". Many of the photographs were found at ex-ambassador Jorge Ritto's house. Police reportedly found four children locked up who had been missing from Casa Pia.


Under armed guard at a safe house last week, Bibi could count himself a lucky man. He originally faced allegations that he had sexually assaulted more than 600 children. That has since been reduced to 30. Silvino has hinted at the high-level of the conspiracy, saying: "They can't touch me - there are too many people involved."


Following Ritto's arrest, the police questioned Carloz Cruz, known as Portugal's "Mr Television", and Joao Diniz, a high- society doctor and driver of the red Ferrari. The network allegedly went further. Paulo Pedroso, a government minister, was arrested and quizzed about 15 cases of child sexual abuse.


Amid allegations that paedophile networks have become endemic in Portugal - the European police force Interpol has named the country as one of the worst offenders in Europe - there are fears that the Casa Pia scandal will come to eclipse Belgium's notorious Marc Dutroux case, in which the arrest of a notorious paedophile and child murderer revealed a sordid picture of judicial and political corruption.


Of course, the Casa Pia case may have no direct link to the disappearance of Madeleine, but the culture in which such a serious child abuse network was allowed to operate is the same culture that pervades the whole of Portugal. Was it this attitude that led to the bungled initial investigation in the McCann case?


Perhaps the appointment of the man who exposed the Casa Pia scandal will give the parents of Maddie hope that a proper investigation will now discover the truth.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=488654&in_page_id=1770

370 comments:

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The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Wizard

Why doesn't Viv just come over and ask? She doesn't need to send you here!!!

Thanks anyway!

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Nice going Archer!

archer said...

Thanks pal - I owe it all to my coach....x

Mandz said...

Wizard are you talking about Muldoon?

speak your mind said...

Im talking about the site where you and Viv are being callled nuts mandz.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Mandz

It's just Arepa asking who is more mad this blog (apparently run by you and Rosie!!!) or the other one. It sounds like it's been written by an illiterate.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Wizard

When did Viv ask about complaining - she's not on the blog?

Hypocrites said...

Don't go there Mandz, it's a con

Mandz said...

Thanks for clarifying that Wizard.

Rori Hegarty said...

Tinkerbell, nice win this evening, 5 points behind arsenal... £rd place here we come!!!!!!

Hypocrites said...

But wasn't Arepa illiterate or am I confusing her with someone else?

Anonymous said...

ARCHER

you sneak.......!!!!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hey Isis,

Yep, great result, unfortunately I didnt get to watch it :-(

I'd like to say we're on a roll, but I don't want to jinx us just yet!!!.

Speak soon!

Anonymous said...

viv is absent

that's why they are crying out for a mod to delete these really funny hystercally so, posts.....esp by viv is mad.

brilliant

better witing than lgc in a hundred years. so funny. brill.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Hiya Isis

Tulip - don't think you are mixing her up with anyone!

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Wizard

Are you still around?

Anonymous said...

TULIP

illiterate? acreepa aka other loads of id's doubting thomas, et al yyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn

how would you just pick one out of so many others? quicker to find one that is NOT....far far quicker.

needle
haystack

?????

archer said...

Jane

Hello..Helen is a good coach.

Hope you have had a good day..

Anonymous said...

ARCHER

yes. Hope you had good day too?

Gritters out last night, but sun out - though cold here today. what a laugh on other blog today. A real hoot.

archer said...

Jane

A comedy in the making - without a doubt.

Had hail storms here today.

Mandz said...

I have just read it and I must admit I find it hilarious! I’ve never laughed so much in all my life at such garbage. I am astounded that someone would take the time out to write about us? And this person asks who is the nuttier?! Eh hello YOU ARE…Lol lol lol lol….

Mandz said...

Hi Isis hope all well!

Hypocrites said...

Oh no, Swedish Mum is still harping on about the way English should be spoken. She names three ACTORS and calls them academics.

When was she last in the UK -- when they were making movies starring Richard Todd, Jack Hawkins and David Niven, egad the cad?

She should listen to Prince Harry -- quite an estuary accent he has!

archer said...

Tulip


Reminds me of someone talking about their neighbours, they said they were quite wealthy, effluent even. :¬)

Mandz said...

Archer lol..!!

Anonymous said...

don't go there with me ARCHER


ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaa

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Love it Archer!

Victoria Wood once said that she lives in an area that is so posh that Sex is where they keep potatoes!

archer said...

Oh dear Jane

All roads lead to Rome, don't they?:¬))

archer said...

Sass

te he, saying nothing..

Tinkerbell43 said...

Blimey, what on earth is going on over at Viles.

I cant believe what I'm seeing.

Why has she left it unattended, it doesn't make sense. No change there then.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Doppelganger has been cloned. Some sicko has been sending really foul posts to the other blog and has a sick avatar.
If anyone notices they are getting cloned too just let us know.
We can always go into Members Only mode for a while.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Tinks

I think she left it in Claws' "safe hands" who promptly let chaos break out and then left!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Can I respectfully ask, if we are subjected to any of the abuse going on over at Viles, can we not retaliate, we will switch over to members only instead. Thanks.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Exactly Tinks!

We can switch over in a couple of seconds!

archer said...

Tinks/Sass

Absolutely!

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Nancy has been cloned now.

There was a little Swedish girl who went missing and they were saying on the other site that she has been found dead

http://www.thelocal.se/11082/20080413/

Anonymous said...

Evening ladies,

Just looked at TWS and all hell has broken loose. Seems that Dopple, Bianca , Wizard and Nancy have all been cloned at some stage. Never heard such language as the filth spewed by poster Keith. Where the hell is TW or Claudia? Ultimately they will be held responsible for running such a blog. (won't they?)

archer said...

Hiya Helen

It's been rocking and rolling all day there!

Anonymous said...

Archer,

I see you managed it again. Out to lunch today only got back at 6.40. Well, you know what long lunches we have here in Portugal.!!! Caught up on some posts, watched I'd Do Anything then went to have a look at TWS to see what you were all going on about.

They should just ignore them, the trouble makers i.e.

Anonymous said...

Can't stay on long as I am working tonight.
Thanks for the e-mail Jane. Will reply mane ifthat's ok with you? Need to think of plenty of 'insults' for you !!!!LOL

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Hiya Our Ell

Leigh3 has her usual fuddled brain in "moron" gear and thinks we are behind the perv messages on Vile's.

Vile has just turned up.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Which road are you taking tonight Helen?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Sass,

Thanks for the link. Another little life taken by the hands of a monster. Poor little girl how truly sad.

I have to say, this is what worries me with Madeleine, so much emphasis has been put on the poor parents, that another monster is still out there, probably rubbing its hands together at the thought of the holiday season coming up.

I truly hope another child doesn't have to go missing before the PJ wake up to what has really gone on here.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Sass,

I dont think you'll find it is Vile ?

Hypocrites said...

Swedish Mum is now hurt because we are making fun of her. Then, SM, don't make stupid, ill-informed remarks about the way people in another country speak. The British, with their many colourful dialects, don't exist to make themselves understood by you. If you can't stand the heat stay out of the sauna.

Most countries have wide variations in dialect. Swiss German is so 'incorrect'. Same in Spain, Italy etc etc.

That said, it's very sad indeed about Engla. If it weren't for the Madeleine case we would never have heard about her. I think everyone is that much more aware of these tragedies now.

Anonymous said...

Sassy,
Just so that I am sure, have you been posting on TWS? Leigt 3 seems to think it is you that is cloning others.

Taking the road AWAY from PDL tonight.

Anonymous said...

Pure filth coming out of that site now. Not sure that it is assassin , could be another clone. Doppel sure doesn't know when to keep his gob shut does he? Just ignore them.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Tinks

You're right - the Blogger ID numbers don't match.

The fake one is

0625270920363598820

The real one is

13507323081802465917

I'm never going to bother warning them about clones and fake messages again.

Leigh3 has gone into IQ of 10/pratt/vicious/bitchy mode again and said I should two people I don't know to change their names! She and Claws could maybe go halves on some professional help.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Helen

I just wrote to doppel to say that he had a clone posting here. It was so obviously not him. We also had a wizard clone here passing on a message from Vile - except it wasn't from her!

Leigh, in her "intelligence" then said it was all my fault! Let's hope they get a computer expert on it and she can then send me a written apology.

Tinkerbell43 said...

I have to say, there is one person in particular to blame for what is going on over at Viles and it is Doppel.

You cross the line when you bring someones children into this to score points.

Thats why I also get cross when the anti's bring Sean & Amelie into it.

He's been chipping away at our blog, trying to stir since Friday and if posters on the other blog are honest enough to admit it, they will say the same.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Tinks

They didn't wake up after the Joana case! Some British policeman said there hadn't been two disappearances so close to each other in Britain and that there is a good chance that there is a connection between the two.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Penelope is as thick as Leigh. She also thinks it is pros doing whatever is happening over there.

Anonymous said...

Is Penelope not Viv/Felicity? Funny how all posts deleted when she showed herface. She posted this, take a look at the comment from a 'jeremy wilkins' tell me who it sounds like.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/madeleine--one-year-on-will-the-truth-ever-come-out-1345667.html

Tinkerbell43 said...

Sass,

Typical, we get the blame for what is going on, over at Viles.

Are they truly that thick to believe we are the only people on the internet.

Maybe they could clone a brain cell and pass it around! Surely Vile is not that thick as to not see what has gone on or am I giving her too much credit.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Tinks

You're giving her too much credit! She'll want to believe it was down to us and I'm sure Leigh will egg her on there. She sounds like a very bitter woman - hadn't realised exactly how like Claudia she is until today.

I "love" the way we get the blame for everything that goes on on the Internet. Doppel has twice threatened to bring our site down on a suspicion of a couple of things - both unrelated to our blog.

Now there is this and again we are going to get it in the neck because of dim people like Leigh and Claws and Vile.

It's not even worth sitting here minding our own business because we are going to get the blame anyway for absolutely anything that happens on the Net!

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Helen

2345?

Hypocrites said...

Are you sure the real Viv is back?

Anonymous said...

Spot on Sassy, pretending to be 'the Jeremy Wilkins'

Got to go now. Catch you all mane.
Think of me working whilst you sleep!!

Anonymous said...

Well if she isn't she's doing a good job of slobbering all over Doppel. Must say that whoever was posting is VERY SICK and needs help soon.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

See you Our 'Ell - have a good working night! (What does that sound like!)

Tinkerbell43 said...

Night Helen,

See you tom. sleep well xx


Hi Tulip,

I think she is there amongst the clones, posts are being deleted and the sickly darling & xxx are being used.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Tulip

That really is her - the blogger ID numbers match up!

Hypocrites said...

Does seem like the real Viv IS back.

That Leigh3 is such a good substitute. She's back to Rosie being the madame of the house of ill repute again with her gang of girts etc etc. Quite unhinged.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Everyone

What on earth has been going on?

Hypocrites said...

I meant girLs not girts whatever they are!

What is it about posting that brings on such acute finger trouble?

Rosiepops said...

Can anyone tell me what I am getting the blame for now?

Rosiepops said...

Yes I just noted Leigh is back to picking on me,I don't know what ails that nasty old drone and she talks olde worlde most of the time, she is a really odd person.

I think she must have been a prostitute once, this is why she has got a thing about Madame's, the silly old tart.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Rosie,

From what I can make out, Doppel has caused Viles site to come under attack from Assassin.

There has been a lot of abuse & cloning.

Naturally we are getting the blame, but they are too dense to see anything else.

Anyway, good to see you, hope your days been good.

Hypocrites said...

Yes, Rosie. Quite.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Hiya Rosie

Vile's blog went ballistic. At first it was quite funny, but then suddenly it all went too far.

A link was sent to both sites for a site that asks which of our two sites is the nuttiest? A very amateur looking site and it was in the name of Muldoon! There was wrong information and a load of bad language. After that it all went nuts over there. We had a couple of clones' posts (one from doppel and a few from wizard) plus a nasty post from someone who registered today - that was when I was around or was around with Tinks. I don't know what she had to delete.

Then some moron called Keith with a pervy avatar went onto Vile's and posted some really foul posts. In the meantime Vile, doppel, nancy and wizard had all been cloned and there were foul posts in their names too.

Claudia was in charge of the blog when it started getting out hand and when she abandoned ship it got completely out of control! Doppel threatened to write a hack for our site - actually you were around for that - because of something that he thought Supertroll was doing but wasn't.

Bianca has started up her own site and has been getting posts from . . . Bianca.

Now all of this is apparently our fault!!! Leigh put her brain into gear and "worked out" that is a "pro" conspiracy. Penelope, who I believe must have the other half of the brain cell, thinks this is a sign of desperation on the pro's part!

Pathetic, isn't it! In any case, I suggest that when none of us are around to moderate anymore that the last one puts this place into "members only" mode for the night, just in case!

Anonymous said...

Hello everyone,
It seems that some troublemaker is back again.

You will get the blame for this, and so will I, its a known fact. Even if Viv knew for sure that this is not us, she will still blame us to discredit us.

She attracts and allows filth to publish in her blog daily, so she deserves what she is getting. I don't feel sorry for her one bit.

ST

Hypocrites said...

Sass, that was a lovely summary.

Rosiepops said...

I see from my emails that they have some clones working there, no doubt that Dope will twist it all until he manages to blame me for everything.

They cannot seem to get it through their thick heads that it is because of the way they are and the nasty things they write and the way they are so inhumane towards two innocent parents that they get all of this trouble, they actually think that the nastiness and blood thirsty killing theories that they spew out to each other on a daily basis over there is normal!

They do not understand that they are are as abnormal as the clones. I also think that Doppel has attracted this to Viv's blog, he has been stirring for the past couple of days, running backwards and forwards telling tales and coming here blaming us for them getting attacked!

I do not care if he does read this, i do not like him, he does not like me, I do not like him at all because right from the word go I saws straight through him, he is just a stirring idiot with no real opinions of his own, he is a coward that chose that side of the fence because he was scared of getting attacked by Viv and did not want to upset Arsabliar who he has been sniffing around for months. I bet his wife doesn't know that, the creep!

After the last attack we had on here and they had too, I tried to do the decent thing and posted over there being polite and reasonable and all I got was abuse and personally attacked and then my posts deleted, so I don't care anymore let the idiots get on with it.

Anonymous said...

Just popped back to warn you that Doppel has been asked to leave TWS. So be on Doppel alert.

Rori Hegarty said...

Sassy, thanks for your hi earlier!! Am i correct in thinking that if you have a profile active under your blogger name that this cannot be cloned or can it be cloned anyway, it is the real me by the way!!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi ST,

Snap!

After what she has dished out to these poor parents in the name of their daughter, she deserves all she gets imho.

I have no sympathy. What she has done to the McCann family over the past months is despisable.

I know it was not you or any of our posters, so she can think what she likes.

I've never cared for her deranged thoughts before, and I dont now.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Supertroll

That is just what I said, thing is I do not care for that language and filth either and I think it disrupts the working of this blog!

Today we could have concentrated on more important things but instead it is all about them and their clones and Doppel coming here stirring it, trying to use his dive and conquer tactics, like we cannot suss him out!

He keeps saying we talk about him all the time! Err no we do not, before he turned up again we had forgotten he existed and no one even mentioned the man, he then turns up and starts stirring each time we get a discussion going about the bad and incompetent the PJ are and somehow he twists it to talking about him.

If you do not like us talking about you Doppel you little twit, then for pity's sake stop posting on this blog, no one wants you here anyway and after today I doubt if even Viv wants you there seeing as it was you that triggered all of this off, you silly little man.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Hiya Isis

It's really easy to clone a name and to take someone's picture. If a profile is hidden or not you can see a blogger ID number. If you click on anyone's name here you will see in the address line a long number.

This is what comes up when I click on your name

http://www.blogger.com/profile/
08819476877778392467

The long number at the end cannot be cloned and it is that you can check to see if someone really is who they say they are! Just get an old post and click on their name and see what comes up then compare it with the suspicious comment!

Rosiepops said...

I just went and had a brief read there and i see that we are getting blamed by Leigh again.

Personally I think Leigh is as bad as Doppel!
They are both from the same mould, self opinionated, boorish know alls who suffer with delusions of grandeur!

Rosiepops said...

(and they both talk funny too!)

Hypocrites said...

You were right Supertroll, Viv and Leigh blame this site for today's war -- apparently we egged that person on.

All those darlings and false emotion: gagworthy.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Tulip

It was quite an opus, wasn't it!

Rori Hegarty said...

Thanks sassy, i could always just post as gaeilge so everyone could be sure!!

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Vile and Leigh are really dumb

How were we egging anyone on? Telepathically???

Anonymous said...

Tulip,

If Viv really tried to find out who is responsible for all this she may find that the truth is much closer to home...

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Isis

It's very very easy to change your name too. It takes seconds to do, whatever name you have someone can copy. It's all too easy on blogger.com!

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Supertroll

But blaming innocent people for stuff is her thang!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Who & When did we egg that person on!

Any fair minded posters over there like Isis and Isis and even Isis, will know who was responsible.

But, they have to take some responsibility themselves for leaving the blog unattended for so long. But in true style they'll blame everybody else!!

Rosiepops said...

How can we have egged that person on?
no one made any posts of that nature at all and how do they know that Assassin hasn't been cloned?
because I noticed a difference in the way assassin was spelt. The old assassin spelt assassin incorrectly A-S-A-S-S-I-N.

Grow up Viv and Leigh, you got what you deserved, stop spilling the bile.

Hypocrites said...

It's the sheer falsity of all that emotion that disgusts me.

Everyone is naturally very sad to hear about that little Swedish girl. But the 'darlings' over there achieve the impossible ... they almost manage to make one feel LESS sad simply by using phrases like 'Let Swedish Mum have some time to mourn; a daughter of Sweden has been lost' (not exact words, but you get the gist).

They are all total hypocrites concealing (badly) their free-floating bitterness and hatred behind mawkish sentimentailty. Sick bag over here please.

Rosiepops said...

Tinks

That's right they will blame everyone else! The laughable thing is I once read rants from both Leigh and Viv and they were having a go at the McCann's for what they perceived the McCann's were doing "blaming everyone else and not taking responsibility for what they had done", you cant make those two up can you?

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Apparently we all boast about attacking their blog - me included!

I would defy them to find ONE comment I have made bragging about attacking their blog.

Am taking back what I said earlier about feeling sorry for Vile - she deserves all she gets and I hope everyone abandons her bleugh!

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Tulip

That was a pass the sick bag moment for me too.

Rori Hegarty said...

Tinkerbell, i dont know what is going on , just that someone has way too much time on their hands. It looks to me as if there were clones answering clones and such like,its gotten out of hand really. It may come to the stage when all blogs will have to switch to an invited reader list only.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Tinks

We emphasised Isis enough?!!!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Sass,

Lol, you were right, I did give her too much credit.

Anonymous said...

I know noone here that has ever threatened to bring any site down. We argue on an intellectual level, not on bully boy tactics.

I do know 3 posters from Viv's site however who have threatened this site, and I have copies of their menacing posts too. We know who attempted it the other night here in a fit of pique against Assasin who does not post nor belong here. He seems 'homeless' now too.

Batten down the hatches. Never truer, the loonies have taken over the asylum. And how.

Look to your own house before casting blame elsewhere I would suggest. It was brewing a long long time so obviously, and still is. This is not the end, this is only the beginning. ;o(

It is deplorable and disgusting.

Well below the belt. Unacceptable by any fair minded people on any blog.

Rosiepops said...

Tulip

I was thinking this too and feeling terrible about it, of course it saddens me no end that a precious life has been lost in any circumstances, let along circumstances like that. bit this let Swedishmum have time to mourn business is extremely insulting towards this girl and her family, it seems like they are gate crashing the every real grief of those poor people and it is a disgrace.

And behind all that falsity they are hiding some of the nastiest, sickest things directed towards two people who ARE in grief and who ARE mourning the loss of their beloved daughter. The grossest of hypocrisy that I have ever witnessesd.

Personally I am surprised that any rational, right minded person would even think of posting regularly on that site, I think it is more than disgusting, I think it is depraved!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Sass,

I tried to think of fair minded posters and the only one I kept coming up with was Isis.

Mum21 said...

Good Evining All,

What the hell has being going on this evening?
What are we being blamed for exactly?

Anonymous said...

murat sues over stories linking him to madeleine

breaking itv now

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Tinks

I thought you'd edited something and had left the deleted bits in!

Hiya Mum21

Take a look at my post to Rosie at 21:44 - that should explain everything!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Jane,

Well said.

I did say the other night, dont use our blog to get at Assasin. Assasin has her own blog, go make your feelings known to the person directly instead of taking the cowards way out.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Hiya Jane

Wasn't that in the papers earlier. He is after two million quid or something!

Rosiepops said...

The only one that boasted on here about attacking blogs and crashing them was Doppel and he said that this morning. I told him that id he tried such utter nonsense again that I was going to report him to Google.

He attacked this blog twice the other night, to the extent we had to switch over to invited members only.

If Viv wants anyone to blame, she should look towards Doppel and not try to blame us for his outlandish conduct.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Troll Alert.

Please do not respond.

assassin said...

for the record. i wasnt cloned in there today. i know i have been at other times, but that is me in there today for sure, and i have full transcripts of posts made in there today, before the deletions.

anyone wants them, rosie knows how to get them:-)

claudia left in a hurry after i spent days breaking her down and was not seen again after she posted about the tsunami and i told her she would need a tsunami of holy water for her absolution:-)

Hypocrites said...

Rosie and Sass, I have had quite an eventful personal and working life -- far from sheltered -- and I've come across some weirdos, nasties, hypocrites, sociopaths, you name it. But even I am shocked by the concentration of really awful, crazy people in one spot. I console myself that sites like that attract a certain type of saddo, that they were always there but had no anonymous outlet.

Tinkerbell43 said...

I was referring to Nancy!!!

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Just looked at that place again. The Nancy clone is still at it and Leigh that blo*dy moron is still saying it is us!

Rosiepops said...

Murat another woodworm crawling out in my opinion. How can he sue while he is still an arguido? Who is funding his lawsuits?
How can a man who says he has not worked for a year and was pleading poverty a few weeks back, suddenly find themoney to sue so many different newspapers?

More people making money out of Madeleine, but I do not suppose we will hear anti saying how bad they think it is.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Sass,

I dont know whether you noticed, Nancy has just posted on here!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Assassin,

Acknowledged.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Tinks

No didn't see it - you must have deleted her quickly!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Sass,

Check your in box.

Mum21 said...

Assassin.

Why do you bother to keep posting over there. You know it causes trouble and we get the blame.
For the life of me I cannot understand why you do it.

Hypocrites said...

Maybe Murat's lawyers are working on a no-win,no-fee basis!

'Nancy's visit was best disregarded Sass!!

assassin said...

;-)tinks. i happen to know that the clones are one of their own too, that they have gone too far with in doppels comments to me, but i will never out who they are:-)

assassin said...

with all the respect in the world mum 21, and i mean that, one day you will wake up to reality when people like that are afoot and see exactly why ive gone there this week.

regards:-)

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Tulip

Just seen the comment - hardly Shakespeare was it!

Rori Hegarty said...

Night all, tinkerbell, dont want to be a jonah but 3rd place does beckon!! Slán.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Night Isis!

Hypocrites said...

Tee hee Sass, but Shakespeare was very rude sometimes!

Nancy does seem to think Assassin belongs here -- can we persuade her that he doesn't and nor does 'she'

Tinkerbell43 said...

Isis,

I'm gonna remember you said that!

I hope I dont have to hold it against you, lol.

Goodnight x

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Tulip

Did you get an invitation to join our blog?

Hypocrites said...

Sass -- no I didn't get an invitation? I'm a gatecrasher.

Should I have? How do I get one?

Mum21 said...

I am sorry Assassin,

I do not agree with you at all.
I have never posted on Viv's blog...and never would under any circumstances.

All you have done tonight is create another blog war.
I for one...am not interested in trying to compete with any of them.
I am on this blog for one reason only....Justice for the McCann family.

If I was a moderator of this blog (which I am not) I would be asking you to leave.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Just send an e-mail to SassyP123@hotmail.de and I'll send you one. You can always use a throwaway address, you won't need it for anything.

Rosiepops said...

I found this piece in todays report to be chilling. I wonder who this doctor is and if they have managed to track him down and put him in court?!


When the children at Portugal's most famous orphanage heard the sports car roaring down the driveway, fear swept through the dormitories.


The noise could mean only one thing: the man known as The Doctor was coming to call.
Yet this medical practitioner had no intention of adhering to the ancient Hippocratic Oath.

Instead, arriving at Casa Pia (House of the Pious), a 17th century Lisbon orphanage where more than 4,000 children are cared for each year behind high stone walls, the doctor would summon selected boys and girls from their beds for examinations one night each week.


Where possible, he chose deaf-mutes.


After checking that the children were not suffering from any sexual infections, the doctor was joined by the orphanage caretaker, known as Bibi, who ushered the unfortunate children outside to a waiting van.


With the doctor following in his red Ferrari, Bibi drove the van to the prestigious homes of some of the leading members of Lisbon society - ranging from Portuguese government ministers and high-ranking diplomats, to famous television stars and members of the judiciary.


There, the children were repeatedly sexually abused. Some were allegedly drugged to make them compliant; others were plied with alcohol.


This continued for years. Assaults were filmed; pictures of one attack were subsequently found at the home of a suspected paedophile in Paris."...........Dail;y Mail

assassin said...

well mumm21 - when you ar dealing with people like them day in and day out i shall choose you as a font of information. until then, i will see it as it is. you invite them to blame all on yourselves and always have done, you also invite them in here. how many of them have you seen dare put a foot near my site? none -0 and good reason for that:-) remember, you guys have all jumped on one case and one internet issue....others are very very long in the tooth at this:-)

Rosiepops said...

Tulip

They must be rich lawyers then to be suing all those papers because from what I have read, he isn't going to win much, if anything at all, all I have ever read about him is the truth, I didn't think you could sue for libel for that?

assassin said...

ah, keep going rosie, you get closer all the time...and celtic carla said theyd drive her away in a ferrari had she been abducted;-)€

Mum21 said...

Rosie,
And if Clawd and Viv are correct in what they stated about Kate and Gerry...then Robert Murat does not have the right to sue.....he is a suspect.

Rosiepops said...

Sass

Lock Down I think?

Rosiepops said...

Mum

This is exactly what I thought, but it seems that they have one law for the McCann's and another for everyone else, rather like the PJ's appraoch to Portugal's secrecy laws!

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Folks

We are going into members only mode to get rid of Nancy and Dora the Explorer who are sending posts we have to delete for obvious reasons!

Mum21 said...

Nothing changes then Rosie...does it?
In my mind a suspect is a suspect. So you cannot have one rule for one and a different one for another.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Everyone find their way back?

Mum21 said...

Yeah Sass..I am here

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Hiya

I was about to repost with "Did anyone find their way back"!

Mum21 said...

Well Sass...it looks like just you and me. te he he

Anonymous said...

HI THERE

are we really us or not now?

;o)))))))))))))))))

what a horrid nasty spiteful day.

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Yup

And I was about to say that I was going to bed! Its 12:35 and I have to be up early! Am sure Rosie will be over in a minute.

See ya
x

The Candy Floss blog really sucks said...

Jane

Don't worry - noone can get in who hasn't been sent an invitation.

Tinkerbell43 said...

What a night!!

I'm off to bed now, have a heavy day ahead of me.

Will try to look in as often as I can tomorrow through the day.

Nite everyone, Take care xx

Anonymous said...

good night Tinkerbell

see you soon


sleep well

Mum21 said...

Nite Jane and Sass,

I think I am off to bed too.

And yes Jane....it seems to have been a terrible day.
Hopefully tomorrow it will be better.

Rosiepops said...

Mum

Well according to the antis, this is reasonabel, just like it is OK for odious ex PJ to write scurrilous books about Madeleine and make money out of missing innocent little girls!

Rosiepops said...

tulip

I hope we didn't lock you out?

If you are reading this and having difficulty could you email me on atticusfinch80@hotmail.co.uk

Anonymous said...

hi there Mum21

Just what I need a 'pick me up' of cheeky Jimmy there!

What a lot of nonsense going on in the other blog. Really the worst yet. I hope it does not spread - but how do you contain venom like that?

The gritters were out last night but sunny and cold here today. Nice. I like 'crisp, fresh' days. half way through the Easter Break now...... then there's the May Day Hols too then yippeeeee summer.

If, I F WE GET one this year. Last year was really dreadful. You are so lucky where you live. Must be like summer on your doorstep all the time.

Mum21 said...

Rosie,

Just as I expected from them.

Whether it be the other blog...the clones...or purely shit stirrers. They all do it in the name of Madeleine McCann.

I find that to be more than sick.

Rosiepops said...

Good night everyone, sleep well take care, I am off to bed too.

I have a early start because I have to be where I was today, when Doppel was blaming everything on me! (And I was not near a computer either!)

Anonymous said...

Night sleep tight Mum21

won't be too far behind you. Just want to make sureit is ME that goes to bed tonight and not a clone ha ha ha. eeek

;o(( not funny really.

That site 'does' damage your health.

Mum21 said...

Jane,

It is lovely living by the sea...but we still get our fair share of wind and rain. Today has not been too bad...and the sun shone brightly. In between the heavy showers though.

Rosiepops said...

Mum

it doesn't matter what transpires over there, it is me that usually gets the blame for it, no matter what it is. totally pathetic, they just cannot see it is themselves and their actions that is causing all this. they really are pathetic!

Mum21 said...

Now I really am off to bed.

Nite Jane...sleep well.

Mum21 said...

I had noticed Rosie.

But at least you can go to bed at night with a clear concience...which is more than they can

Good Night to you

Anonymous said...

good night Rosie

You take care now,

and good grief. you get the blame if it rains these days. Just let them blow hot air. Nonsense. they cannot believe the bile they come out with themselves when clear headed. They wind one another up and can't see any good in any single living person.

take care, hope things go well tomorrow.

;o)))

good night all.

Rosiepops said...

I'm sorry, but this post ny Leigh is really sick and insulting to this poor girl and her family, she is now gate crashing the grief of a family in mourning, pay respects yes, but this? It is completely insane, just like all of them over there.

leigh3 said...
Swedishmum.

We are linked by genetics. Your loss is my family's loss. It's a tribal thing, perhaps. As you say: we don't know the girl personally, but we mourn the loss of her...in true Viking way.

Valhalla. May it be her resting place.

Sunday, 13 April 2008 23:54:00 o'clock BST

Rosiepops said...

I no longer care what they think or write about me, if people didn't send it to me, i wouldn't know because I rarely look in there anymore.

I dis later this evening because of what was being said, but I draw the line at the disgusting language that was being used and I would never clone anyone.

But there you go they will not believe me, so let them believe what they like, I will waste no time over them, they are a pathetic band of morons with a lynch mob mentality.

Good night all.

xxx God Bless Madeleine xxx

jak said...

Hi, is anyone still about?

Just testing!

tulip said...

Puff pant puff pant --- finally got back in. WHAT a journey. Anyway just back in time to say good night to all if anyone's left. Thanks Sass;-).

Valhalla? Strait jacket anyone?

jak said...

Oh, Hi, It worked, LOL,

What has been going on today? is it a full moon?

Too bizarre, I just wanted to catch up and read about the past day or so, what have I got caught up in?

tulip said...

Looks like I'm the last on the the blog tonight just as I was the first this a.m. No wonder I'm tired.

Jak you don't want to know -- or maybe you do. But I think you're too late for any meaningful messages from the rest. Read back over today's posts and be amazed,be very very amazed ....

jak said...

Oh well, after the time spent now, it's bed time, catch up reading the goings on tomorrow, Goodnight all.

jak said...

Thanks Tulip, Good advice methinks, Nite!

tulip said...

Night Jak, think everyone else has gone to bed. Now me too.

Rosiepops said...

SWEDISHMUM

I just read this which you posted on Vile Viv's.

"I remember when Rosiepops had to put one of her dogs to sleep. I don't think anyone said anything mean to her. On the contrary most - pros, antis and those of us who are on the fence - expressed our sympathy and condolences. And that's how it should be." Posted By Swedishmum

Actually somebody did make a nasty comment to me and it is written on the blog you are posting on now ask Viv she wrote it.

She decided to tell everyone that I was a psycho, who bullied my family and killed my pet dog.

Really nice and kind of her wasn't it? Still you keep on believing that Viv is a nice person and not the completely mad obnoxious woman that she is. As I said people must be ill to post there!


I see the mad and totally bad Leigh who sounds like a Rothaymere clone is insisting on blaming us for all the cloning. This woman must be really thick if she cannot see it.

chinadoll said...

Don't have anything to say about todays discussion, but felt this was worthwhile to post and possibly discuss:-

From The TimesApril 14, 2008

Brits love to torture a 'bad mother'
In a long media career, the persecution of Kate McCann is the cruellest thing I have seenMelanie Reid
How many centuries of accumulated spite and misogyny, I wonder, went into the latest twist in the Madeleine McCann saga. Did the British television presenters feel the remotest twinge of conscience as they sensationally reported - second-hand via a Spanish television station - the leaks from the Portuguese police portraying Kate McCann in the worst possible light, as a mother who had left her children to cry?

And did Britain's tabloid editors, themselves presumably sons of mothers and husbands to the mothers of their own children, flinch even a jot as they ordered the devastating headlines “Mummy, why didn't you come when we cried?” to be unfurled on their front pages alongside the face of the missing little girl?

I have seen, lived with and been party to many different kinds of sadism in a long media career, but I honestly think that this latest outbreak of malice towards Kate McCann is just about the cruellest thing I have witnessed.

Many serious writers have deliberately avoided discussing the case of Madeleine. Not because it is not serious, but because there was no enlightenment we could bring; nothing remotely we could add to the frenzy of distress, loss and bewilderment.

I have avoided reading or watching most of the coverage. It was too harrowing; the couple's grief too visceral to bear; and I could not stand the treatment they received from the macho, out-of-their-depth Portuguese police. For many of us, it was enough, briefly, to contemplate the horror of losing our own child. Anything more was prurience and soap opera.

But somehow we have passed a watershed. With this latest betrayal, picking deep at Kate McCann's emotional scars, we have regressed to the level of the medieval peasants reaching for the ducking stool. Although women suspected of being witches, I sometimes grimly think, received a fairer fate in their slow drowning than do modern women accused of being bad mothers, who are tortured to the point of mental disintegration.

And so it is time to speak out in defence of Kate McCann, a woman whom I have never met, but someone who is being sacrificed to society's tyrannical views about a mother's role.

Even in the enormity of her suffering it seems Kate McCann must be punished for failing to live up to idealised, romanticised - and wholly unrealistic - maternal standards. Her child cried the night before she disappeared. It is of no relevance to Madeleine's apparent abduction, but what a glorious stick with which to beat her already guilt-ridden mother.

Why do we do perpetuate this immense cruelty upon women? There is no justice in it. Kate McCann is just the latest in a long line of high-profile victims of the prevailing fatwa - that all mothers must be perfect, self-sacrificing angels. From Kate McCann to Louise Campbell (the mother of Molly/ Misbah, the Scots girl who fled to be with her father in Pakistan), to Britney Spears to Anne Robinson to Frances Shand Kydd, nobody loves to torture a perceived bad mother or a bolter like the British do.

Any sign of weakness, any suggestion of being “unfit”, any hint that a mother is compromising her child by seeking small freedoms or equality, and the judgment of society is absolute.

Behind the famous names lurk an estimated 100,000 ordinary women who are separated from their children for various reasons - everything from abduction to the mundanity of being the main earner in divorce. They must simply hide their pain, die a kind of psychological death for their loss and exist in the shadows. Some, like Paula Clennell, one of the five women murdered in Ipswich, simply give up all hope when they lose custody of their children. Their problems are too huge; the hole in their hearts too big to heal.

The taboo surrounding bad motherhood has always struck me as tantamount to pulling wings off butterflies. Vulnerable women, already heartbroken by their loss, must then face devastating social stigma. If women are honest, they admit the maternal paragon does not exist outside Catholic mythology. We all fail, and frequently. But women, terrified of being stigmatised, are often not honest.

You will find out why the media torture Kate McCann if you read the online blogs: it is because there is an audience desperate, as far as I can see, to join in any kind of attack on a bad mother. Everywhere I looked I found a harshness and a pitilessness - from both sexes - towards Kate McCann.

Women sanctimoniously pressed their own claims to maternal sainthood: “My sons are teenagers and I still don't leave them alone.” They were also horribly vindictive: “Sorry Kate, but you have only yourself to blame.” They even, outrageously, cited God: “You can never replace the time lost with your children which God has blessed you with.”

On the Daily Mail site, women criticised Kate McCann for being photographed smiling. “If I lost my child I don't think I would ever smile again,” they declared pompously.

The Daily Mirror website spoke for itself: “Sadly, due to persistent and serious abuses, we will no longer be hosting discussions regarding Madeleine McCann. We do not take this action lightly... but the level of debate on the Maddy forums has gone way beyond what we consider acceptable, with several recent incidents of extremely abusive postings, both against fellow users and the McCanns.”

A society, then, riddled with prejudice, which knows precisely how to attack women where they are most vulnerable, and thereby control them. I would like to reassure Kate McCann that she is not alone, but rather a member of a growing army of mothers who share her pain and her pariah status.

In a dark, lonely corner of purgatory, behind the sign “Maternal Failures Only”, there are a surprising number of her fellows who offer her only understanding, love and support. And this is a purgatory, she will come to learn, that traps only mild sinners, the undeserving and the desperately unlucky.

Rosiepops said...

Thanks China

hope you are well, hope you call in this week as we are determined to stay on topic and not be pushed off course yet again by someone that calls himself Doppelganager.

Important week coming up.

Thanks for your post, I think it extremely accurate and am going to post it for tomorrows (today's report)

Take care and good night xxx

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