Sunday, 13 April 2008

Why Portugal is a haven for paedophiles - the disturbing backcloth to the Madeleine case

By ANDREW MALONE and VANESSA ALLEN



Somewhat older - but nothing seems to have changed!!!



A ferrari engine makes a deep, distinctive sound.


When the children at Portugal's most famous orphanage heard the sports car roaring down the driveway, fear swept through the dormitories.


The noise could mean only one thing: the man known as The Doctor was coming to call.
Yet this medical practitioner had no intention of adhering to the ancient Hippocratic Oath.

Instead, arriving at Casa Pia (House of the Pious), a 17th century Lisbon orphanage where more than 4,000 children are cared for each year behind high stone walls, the doctor would summon selected boys and girls from their beds for examinations one night each week.


Where possible, he chose deaf-mutes.


After checking that the children were not suffering from any sexual infections, the doctor was joined by the orphanage caretaker, known as Bibi, who ushered the unfortunate children outside to a waiting van.


With the doctor following in his red Ferrari, Bibi drove the van to the prestigious homes of some of the leading members of Lisbon society - ranging from Portuguese government ministers and high-ranking diplomats, to famous television stars and members of the judiciary.


There, the children were repeatedly sexually abused. Some were allegedly drugged to make them compliant; others were plied with alcohol.


This continued for years. Assaults were filmed; pictures of one attack were subsequently found at the home of a suspected paedophile in Paris.


According to medical records, the victims' injuries were horrific - and consistent with serious sexual assault and rape. In witness statements, many were able to describe in minute detail the homes where they were taken and identifying marks on the bodies of their abusers.


The existence of this so-called "magic circle" of the Portuguese establishment, allegedly involved in an international paedophile ring using boys and girls from Casa Pia, was last week likened to an earthquake waiting to shake Portugal to its foundations.


New allegations about the scale of the network will be put before the country's highest court within the next few weeks.


Amid rumours of links to other paedophile gangs across Europe and the U.S., international experts on child sex crimes and murders are expected to be in court when the case re-opens, four years after a group of victims broke a silence lasting more than 30 years.


But what relevance does this have to the disappearance 170 days ago of four-year-old Madeleine McCann in Praia da Luz, about 280km from Lisbon?


And what does it mean for Kate and Gerry McCann, who have not only had to cope with losing their child, but have also been subjects of a vicious campaign in the Portuguese press to smear them?


It is crucial for two reasons; first because it proves what international crime agencies have long suspected: that Portugal has become a magnet for predatory paedophiles from around the world, using the country's lax laws and preying on the high numbers of poor, abandoned children.


And second, because Paulo Rebelo, an urbane, methodical detective who led the Casa Pia paedophile inquiry, was last night finishing his first week as the new chief of the investigation into the disappearance of the British child.


Rebelo has replaced Goncalo Amaral, the "oafish" local police chief out of his depth in a case that has captured unprecedented world attention, with millions fascinated by the story of the girl snatched from her bed on holiday while her parents ate with friends 200 yards away.


The sight of the sweaty, corpulent Amaral in restaurants and cafes near the Portimao police headquarters had become commonplace since Madeleine disappeared.


While the McCanns were warned repeatedly they faced jail for speaking about the case, he was been overheard, during his daily three-hour lunches of wine and shellfish, accusing the couple of killing their daughter.


In one conversation with Portugal's ex-Formula One racing driver Pedro Lamy, Amaral revealed he was convinced the McCanns drugged their daughter and accidentally killed her. "The police case is we are sure the parents killed Madeleine. They are both doctors and know about drugs.


"We are confident in our case," he said.


In an effort to make up for lost time following Amaral's dismissal, Rebelo has recruited his own men from Lisbon. To the fury of the original officers, he has lost little time in sidelining them, bringing in two child sex experts from the Casa Pia case as well as homicide specialists and computer analysts - known as "the cleaners" due to their reputation for leaving no stone unturned.


According to senior police sources, he also launched a furious private attack on the 100 officers involved in the original inquiry, which he has now cut back to 40.


At a meeting, he accused some officers of having "closed minds" about who was guilty, saying that "pre-conceptions should be challenged".


In addition, he oversaw Operation Predator - raids on more than 70 suspected paedophiles, whose computers were searched last week for images of Madeleine or other evidence of criminal sexual acts. Although by last night Rebelo had failed to make a breakthrough, sources say it is a clear sign, along with reports that Russian child traffickers may be involved, of a strand of his current thinking.


In a Lisbon café, an associate of Rebelo told the Mail: "The Casa Pia case had a deep affect on Paulo. You come across things that are appalling and cruel. But you get a feeling that there are some seriously bad people in the world, and some of them are here. He does not rule anything out."


So, after enduring months of soul-destroying leaks from the Portuguese police - from claims that they drugged Madeleine and then disposed of her body, to allegations that Gerry was not even her real father - the McCanns are no longer the sole focus of the Portuguese police investigation.
But the nightmare goes on. A group of officers loyal to Amaral are still leaking smears to the Portuguese press.

(...)
His career in tatters and now back on desk duties in Faro, Amaral faces a criminal hearing in the case of another missing child, Joana Cipriano, after being accused of concealing evidence that the girl's mother was tortured into confessing to her murder.


Amaral and his colleagues face countless unanswered questions about mistakes in the original police investigation into Maddie's disappearance, such as failing to ensure the McCanns' apartment was sealed off for forensics. (This did not happen until the next day, by which time the McCanns, their friends, resort staff and detectives had traipsed through, destroying potentially vital evidence.)


They also failed to seal off the Mark Warner Ocean Club resort. No roadblocks were set up and police on the Spanish border - two hours' drive away - were not alerted for 12 hours. Staff were only quizzed 60 hours later. And the CCTV footage from a busy main road was never studied. The list of mistakes goes on.


While the shift in the investigation may ease the intolerable pressure on the McCanns, it will do little to console them.


As well as growing fears that Madeleine was abducted by a paedophile ring, they can have little hope of justice when leading Portuguese figures are allegedly involved in covering-up their own child sex scandal.


Both cases - the two highestprofile criminal investigations in the country since the end of the Portuguese military dictatorship in 1974 - have been riven by allegations of compromised police officers, high-level interference and vicious, virulent attacks on key witnesses.


Pedro Namora, a former Casa Pia orphan who witnessed 11 rapes on fellow orphans, during which they were tied to their beds, sympathises with the McCanns. He believes elements in the force have conspired to suppress both scandals, fearing damage to the country's reputation.
"Portugal is a paedophiles' paradise," said Mr Namora, now a lawyer campaigning on behalf of the Casa Pia victims. "If all the names come out, this will be an earthquake in Portugal. There is a massive, sophisticated network at play here - stretching from the government to the judiciary and the police.


"The network is enormous and extremely powerful. There are magistrates, ambassadors, police, politicians - all have procured children from Casa Pia. It is extremely difficult to break this down. These people cover for each other, because if one is arrested, they all are arrested. They don't want anyone to know."


Now 44, Mr Namora watched as friends sank into alcoholism, drug addiction and death after their traumatic childhood experiences at Casa Pia. "I was the only one who made it," he said. "What could I do? I couldn't keep silent."


He has received death threats and warnings about what will happen to his own children, after taking up the case when an orphan called "Joel" approached him, saying prominent paedophiles were using Casa Pia as a "supermarket for children".


Mr Namora has been threatened after fighting on behalf of the abused children he grew up with.
After being telephoned by a stranger offering to pay off his mortgage, he was told the exact movements of his own three children, and warned that they and their father would come to a grisly end unless he shut up.


An open, warm man, Mr Namora makes an unlikely conspiracytheorist-But he believes the case, which he brought to light in 2003, will underscore Portugal's growing attraction for paedophiles, which has seen six children disappear in recent years.


One reason for this attraction is that the law was quietly relaxed last year, ahead of the forthcoming trial, meaning that repeat offences against the same child would merit only a single charge - and a lesser sentence.


In echoes of the McCanns' ordeal, the initial investigation was badly handled when allegations of abuse were first made at Casa Pia in 1982. Carlos Silvino, the man known as Bibi, was linked to rapes and assaults, but police "lost" pictures showing prominent Lisbon politicians with him and the children.


He was only charged after dozens of children came forward in 2003. They also accused Jorge Ritto, a former Portuguese ambassador, of child abuse. Ritto, it transpired, had also once been sent home in disgrace from a posting in Germany after an incident involving a young boy in a park.


The conspiracy did not end there. Teresa Costa Macedo, a former secretary of state for the family, has revealed that she knew about the attacks in the early Eighties - and that she had alerted General Antonio Ramalho Eanes, the then Portuguese president, about the allegations.
Mrs Costa Macedo, who remained silent for two decades after being warned she would be killed if she spoke, now says that the caretaker "was just one element in a huge paedophile network that involved important people in our country. It wasn't just him [the caretaker]. He was a procurer of children for well-known people who range from diplomats and politicians to people linked to the media".


While still a government minister, Costa Macedo handed police "photographs, an account of the methods used to spirit children out of the orphanage and testimonies of a number of children". Many of the photographs were found at ex-ambassador Jorge Ritto's house. Police reportedly found four children locked up who had been missing from Casa Pia.


Under armed guard at a safe house last week, Bibi could count himself a lucky man. He originally faced allegations that he had sexually assaulted more than 600 children. That has since been reduced to 30. Silvino has hinted at the high-level of the conspiracy, saying: "They can't touch me - there are too many people involved."


Following Ritto's arrest, the police questioned Carloz Cruz, known as Portugal's "Mr Television", and Joao Diniz, a high- society doctor and driver of the red Ferrari. The network allegedly went further. Paulo Pedroso, a government minister, was arrested and quizzed about 15 cases of child sexual abuse.


Amid allegations that paedophile networks have become endemic in Portugal - the European police force Interpol has named the country as one of the worst offenders in Europe - there are fears that the Casa Pia scandal will come to eclipse Belgium's notorious Marc Dutroux case, in which the arrest of a notorious paedophile and child murderer revealed a sordid picture of judicial and political corruption.


Of course, the Casa Pia case may have no direct link to the disappearance of Madeleine, but the culture in which such a serious child abuse network was allowed to operate is the same culture that pervades the whole of Portugal. Was it this attitude that led to the bungled initial investigation in the McCann case?


Perhaps the appointment of the man who exposed the Casa Pia scandal will give the parents of Maddie hope that a proper investigation will now discover the truth.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=488654&in_page_id=1770

373 comments:

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Tulip said...

Hello to anyone around.

What shocking reading to start a Sunday with. I'm furious -- and I haven't even had breakfast yet.

Bad things happen everywhere but it's the cover-ups and the corruption in Portugal that leave one speechless.

What a fool's paradise Claws and co live in.

At least in Britain we have a tradition of fighting back against people who abuse power.

Tulip said...

Me again. Guardian today says that Murat is sueing just about ALL the British tabloids (including Express Group) plus Sky for up to £2 million because of their libels. And he too is still an arguido.

Interesting!

Hope there'll be someone along soon to say good morning to!

Tulip said...

Sorry, I meant it's in the Observer, part of the Guardian group.

Tulip said...

If this silence goes on I'll have to create a 'friend' to talk to. It has been done elsewhere as we know!

Mandz said...

Morning Tulip!

1)In echoes of the McCanns' ordeal, the initial investigation was badly handled when allegations of abuse were first made at Casa Pia in 1982. Carlos Silvino, the man known as Bibi, was linked to rapes and assaults, but police "lost" pictures showing prominent Lisbon politicians with him and the children.
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What really is going on in that country? What really happened to Maddie?
Good for the McCann’s for taking these BULLYBOY SUSPECTS ON.


2)Amid allegations that paedophile networks have become endemic in Portugal - the European police force Interpol has named the country as one of the worst offenders in Europe - there are fears that the Casa Pia scandal will come to eclipse Belgium's notorious Marc Dutroux case, in which the arrest of a notorious paedophile and child murderer revealed a sordid picture of judicial and political corruption.


In my opinion this all makes sense now no wonder the PJ declined the FBI AND BRITISH DETECTIVE.
Everything fits into place …Go McCann’s the world is looking and everyone can SEE EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING……

It turns my stomach and I demand to know where our girl is…?

Claw et al you have more important things to worry ABOUT....

Tulip said...

Mandz, heLLO! Good to see you. I suppose I'd never realised how absolutely dire the paedophile set up is in Portugal -- or at least the high-up involvement.

My stomach is also churning.

Mandz said...

Hiya Tulip!!

I know it really is frightening however I now see the whole picture it all makes sense. Something has got to be done & the world needs to know of this MAMMOTH problem and there is no way on earth I will visit a paedophile heaven WITH alleged links to the very highest…
SHOVE THEIR TOURIST INDUSTRY…

Off out now..see ya!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Diane,

You have been in my thoughts constantly over the weekend, I hope all is well.

Take care - best wishes to you all.

xxx

Mum21 said...

Good Morning Ladies.

Just a quick visit this morning....but have any of you read this in todays Mail?

"Portuguese police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are expected to say today that their trip to the UK to re-interview the Tapas 7 was fruitless, with no new leads being thrown up.
Chief Inspector Paulo Rebelo is likely to tell prosecutors that no new evidence has been uncovered in hours of interviews, according to a source.

The admission will open the way for Kate and Gerry McCann to be cleared as suspects in the case."


Sounds good to me.
Talk to you all later

helenm said...

Morning Tulip and Mandz,

What an article. As you say Tulip truly stomach turning. In fact only read half way, that was enough for me.

I'm thinking that maybe I need to give more credit to Paul Rebelo> he appears to be quite a troubleshooter within the PJ. IMO the following could be the reasoning on why 'leaks' have occurred whilst he has been in Britain. Pure jealousy, spite and REVENGE:

'In an effort to make up for lost time following Amaral's dismissal, Rebelo has recruited his own men from Lisbon. To the fury of the original officers, he has lost little time in sidelining them, bringing in two child sex experts from the Casa Pia case as well as homicide specialists and computer analysts - known as "the cleaners" due to their reputation for leaving no stone unturned.


According to senior police sources, he also launched a furious private attack on the 100 officers involved in the original inquiry, which he has now cut back to 40.


At a meeting, he accused some officers of having "closed minds" about who was guilty, saying that "pre-conceptions should be challenged".

Yesterday I was amazed that a Chief of the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance could leave the interviews early, as it was reported. Howver, IF he has challenged any pre-conceptions and found them wanting, ( i.e the Mccann's and their friends were involved in Madeleine's disappearane) he saw no need to stay. Having said that, did he in actual fact return to Portugal early? Wasn't Friday the date given initially for his return?

helenm said...

Mum, good morning, our posts crossed.

Mum21 said...

Good Morning Helen,

Got to go now..but I will be back later

Tinkerbell43 said...

Morning Helen & Mum,

I'm just popping in too. A few papers have gone with the same story as the Mail this morning.

Didnt expect anything else, it was obvious this was nothing more than a face saving exercise.

If true, JT has also rubbished the claims that she has withdrawn her statement and called on the PJ to get on with finding Madeleine.

Helen, yes I think they were scheduled to leave Friday, but apparently Rebelo left on Thursday not even completing the final 2 interviews.

Catch you later, Have a lovely Sunday.

Sass said...

Doppel

Go away. My finger is on the delete button because all you do is stir and go back to Vile's to report back and get a pat on the back.

GO AWAY. You spend one evening trying to wreck the blog, report to Vile's that you "persuaded" us to shut the blog down. Why on earth do you think we would want you here.

You also found a post Chinadoll made which wasn't nice at all and posted it back on that disgusting disease-ridden blog to get more brownie points.

GO AWAY

Sass said...

Hiya Everyone

How you all doing?

Tinks

Was just about to delete that moron! Does he think Vile's have more people because that cockroach infested place is good? Wait till Arsa's comes back! Apart from that Vile is frightening people off! As soon as they talk to someone who isn't vile-approved they get blanked out!

So much stupidity on that one blog should actually be illegal!!!

Got that off my chest now!

Sass said...

Hiya Our 'ell

The article was sent to me by a poster who wishes to remain nameless! I will say she is very helpful though!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Doppel,

Did you think you would sneak in while people were not about, theres a name for people like you that lurk.

We really do not care what you think about our blog or our posters.

I would rather it be quiet than converse with the likes of you.

Our posters are off having a life, why dont you try and get one.

Go and make yourself busy amongst the quantity of posters, I'll wait here for the quality.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Morning Sass,

How ya doin ?

Its a lovely bright sunny day here.

Going out to lunch today, being spoilt.

Good article!

Sass said...

Tinks to the rescue!

How ya doing?

Sass said...

Hiya

Nice one - you've been living it up this weekend, haven't you! Go for it - that's the way to do it.

Gloomy weather here - not cold, just gloomy.

Have a lovely lunch and see ya later!
xxx

Sass said...

Doppel

Over the last couple of days you have gone too far.

Assassin hasn't even been here for about 6 weeks.

helenm said...

Good morning Tinks and Sassy,
Looks like you are going to be busy today. So much for his apology yesterday. He is wht is called an 'indian giver'

Sass said...

Hiya Our 'Ell

Is there any news in Portugal re this sorry investigation?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Doppel,

I dont think you'll find I keep discussing you, I cant get rid of your posts quick enough.

Enjoy your long walk, preferably off a short Pier :0)

archer said...

A very good morning all.

Just popping in for a moment.

What a scandalous state of affairs.

These poor children, to have to grow up with this dreadful burden and knowing that they dare not speak out too! Simply shocking.

To abuse children in anyway, shape or form is simply horrific, but to hide behind one's position of authority to ensure gratification of sexual perversion is beyond words. Add to this a group of like minded people and you can see why they would think themselves invincible!

Tulip, as you said " Bad things do happen everywhere " but if you get rid of all of this damn secrecy, cloak and dagger stuff it would make things more difficult to conceal. IMHO. (I am mindful of Jersey as I write this)

I will pray that these poor abused people will have the strength and courage to see them through the court cases.

Alsabliar - I can quite see why you were brought in to 'bat'. Not quite the haven you would have had us believe, is it?

Have a good day all - see you later.

Tulip said...

Now where did I read that the PJ said they'd be in the UK 'for months if necessary'???

Sass said...

Hiya Archer

Tulip - 24 Horas?

Sass said...

Doppel

The response was that you then went onto Vile's for a pat on the back.

It's not a case of getting too near to the truth that people were getting riled.

Thank you for the apology.

Goodbye.

archer said...

Hiya Sass and Tulip

...just having a read through as I do the lunch..hope you are both well.

Have the flies come round the honey-pot again?

melbel said...

Morning all
Just doing my last post, until, after
14th May,as we have no computer access, in the remote spot where we stay.Doby should be back, at some stage.Diane, thinking of you and all your family.
It is chilling to read the background history showing that Interpol, regard Portugal, as one of the worst offenders in Europe,in terms of their lax and backward approach to paedophiles.
After all it is not the writings and filth coming out of the mouths of spiteful abductor lovers, like Claw, that count.Logical thinking, is not a trait that we would associate with the people on that blog.
I think that the article that Mum, referred to,may well prove to be the way that this investigation,is going.
Rebelo goes home early, with no evidence, behind his belt,leading up to a massive climbdown and release of the McCanns from the arguido status.
I am a little sorry that I will miss the incoherent squawks and defections, that will be heard on the House of hate, but then, on a personal level, I think that I have already given too much time, to unbalanced, ill informed and malicious people, with too much time on their hands.
I never realised that there were people, abusing the power of the internet, to persecute and goad people, where there is not a scrap of evidence, in the public domain, re their guilt or otherwise and it really looks, today, that this case has collapsed.
It should teach people not to jump to conclusions and not to join any passing bandwaggon, but it will not, as there will be other causes, that these rats jump onto, and I do not use the term rat, lightly.
I hope they will be stopped, as wiser counsel has obviously been brought to bear, in the Alsabella blog, in her climbdown and removal of the disgusting letter to Madeleine's grieving grand mother.
.It is absolutely appalling, the filth and lies, peddled, on a daily basis, over there.
Innocence, until proven guilty, is an absolute and they have no right to be trying people, who have not been charged, over there.
I blame the DE, for spawning this filth and bile.
The couple of people over there, who still have some integrity, I would urge them to leave that blog, for the sake of their mental health.
It makes for vicious and unbalanced reading and the only person that Vile should be doing a risk assessment on, is herself.
This has been one long sorry performance by the PJ and their leak machine, which has backfired on them now.
If Rebelo, has any integrity, at all,he must admit that there is no evidence and release this couple from arguido status,pass the files over, to a competent POlice force and put an end to the harrowing way, this family have been abused.
Bye for now, all the good people, who post regularly, on this site.
The truth will come out.
Pray for Madeleine and her grieving family. x x x

Sass said...

Archer

Hi there! How you doing? Doppel certainly doesn't give up!

Mandz said...

Hi Girls just on for two minutes then out again!

Helen,

Good point I think you might be right about Paul Rebelo. He is up against some bad apples of Amarel team. I bet he is absolutely furious with them and perhaps that is why he returned early. He knows they are not involved “acted too hasty” etc. But he is in a difficult position he is damned if he does and damned if he does not. Even when he stated “acted too hasty” was the Portuguese people not up in ARMS? What is it that THEY WANT??? Innocent people to go down for something they did NOT DO??

I hope he cracks some skulls and sacks some of them. Police forces don’t need these bad apples and the only way forward is to clear them out.

Right off now! Bye girls!

Sass said...

Hiya Melbel

Glad we are posting at the same time!

Have a lovely time on holiday.

x

Sass said...

Hi and bye Mandz
xxx

Tulip said...

Sass, probably -- but via one of the local rags I'm sure!

Why does this Dopple keep imposing himself where he's not welcome. It's like a dodgy salesman inserting his foot in the door. Anyone got a safety chain??

Melbel have a great break. I'm sure you'll hear if anything dramatic happens.

And Diana -- thinking of you and your little girl and hope all goes well for you.

Sass said...

Melbel

Brilliant post, couldn't agree with you more.

archer said...

Hello Melbel

Wishing you a great holiday - I for one shall miss your humour and sense of wisdom. Take care x

PS I wonder where we shall be with this when you come back??

(Have 'lost' previous post to you Melbel) Sorry if it comes through again....
Am off now . CYL

melbel said...

As for Dope, the one consistent thing about him, is his support, through thick and thin, for Murat.
I wonder why that should be.
Do not bother to come back, to explain. I have drawn my own conclusions, on that.
Last goodbye, to the splendid people, on this blog. Take care. x x x

Tulip said...

Sorry, I meant Diane.

Brain not in gear today.

Sass said...

Mandz

"Even when he stated “acted too hasty” was the Portuguese people not up in ARMS? What is it that THEY WANT??? Innocent people to go down for something they did NOT DO??"
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I could actually understand some people of weaker character not wanting to believe what Rebelo said. People who, for example, say something on the lines of "everyone was jeering the McCanns so it must have been OK (as was mentioned on Vile's). So people with no backbone or character whatsoever.

Can you imagine accusing a couple of people of the most awful crime for months (and I don't mean for leaving their children alone-I mean accusing them of having killed their daughter), possibly heckling them when they are taken to a police station for questioning and then realising that you have done that to innocent people?

Not only that but to realise that Joana's mother may also be falsely imprisoned, that torture by the police may be possible and this has all been carried out by the élite cops.

It's easier for weak characters to say someone else must be wrong, rather than admitting they themselves are in the wrong.

Sass said...

See you Melbel - have a lovely time (even without all of us!)
xxx

Rosiepops said...

Morning Everyone,

Thanks to the anonymous donor of today's story and also thanks to all the anonymous emails I have had in my inbox from some good and decent Portuguese People. If there is anyone else who wants to send me their stories please do, also please instruct me if there is anything you wish me to do on your behalf and I give you my word, I promise I will help all I possibly can. Meanwhile stick around here and read our blog, there is no pressure on you to take part, but above all else rest assured you have found people that truly empathise with you. atticusfinch80@yahoo.com

Have just read our front page report, I have not had the 'misfortune' to read this before today. At the moment I am incandescent with rage and I will be back later and I am going to take this report paragraph by paragraph and systematically use it to destroy this image that the people of Portugal have of their PJ, they have to wake up, we all have to wake up.
Yesterday I sent off over 50 emails to different people trying to bring to their attention the plight of children on Portugal AND the plight of Madeleine and her parents and family. I will if I have to, do this all over again and supply these people with the link to this disgusting story.

I and every right minded person must start asking questions and one in particular.

"Why is the case of Casa Pia, being held in SECRET in Portugal?"

The EU must act to stop this abomination, the people concerned MUST be exposed.

Through this we may yet discover what happened to Madeleine and where she actually is!

I have said throughout this mess, where better to hide a small child, than in an orphanage? Did the PJ search the orphanages in the region around Praia da Luz when Madeleine went missing?

If I were a detective involved in the disappearance of a small girl and knowing what I now know, these would have been the FIRST places I would have checked out, with synchronized raids on all children's homes in Portugal, why did this not happen?

I'll be back and I will be making a lot of noise and I hope you all join me in making this noise, only we must make it where is will be heard too, not just on here!

Too much British government interference?

NO, Not Near Enough in my opinion!

Sass said...

Toodlepip Archer!

Rosiepops said...

Melbel

I am really going to miss you and your posts, now in particular as I think things are beginning to get uncomfortably hot for those that have something to fear and those people are NOT Kate and Gerry McCann or their friends!

Have a wonderful month and when you get back I hope there is something good and positive for when you return to our blog.

Take care Melbel, see you soon. xxx

Doppelganger said...

Just a message for you all

Looks like Supertroll was trying to crack the password protection to stop automatic posts on Viv's website.

Suggest you have a word with her and suggest to her that might not be a very good idea and could backfire spectacularly.

Have a nice day.

Sass said...

Hiya Rosie

You sound in fine form!

Sass said...

Doppel

Why don't you tell her?

http://supertroll.blogspot.com

Rosiepops said...

"Perhaps the appointment of the man who exposed the Casa Pia scandal will give the parents of Maddie hope that a proper investigation will now discover the truth. Daily Mail


Sadly this has not turned out to be the case, the Madeleine McCann investigation has descended into even more farce, chaos and shambles.

And astonishingly the Casa Pia case is being heard in SECRET in Portugal, right now!

Rosiepops said...

Sass

Well said. I expect he doesn't tell her because he is no match for her and knows what Supertroll is trying to achieve is good, proper and right and is everything a decent human being should be doing right now.

Well done Supertroll, keep up the good work.

You keep your fight up and we will keep our fight up and we will meet somewhere in the middle, where we will find something positive to come out of this God forsaken mess!

Rosiepops said...

Sass

Hiya, I am just "warming" up!

Sass said...

Rosie

He has come to completely the wrong conclusion anyway. Have sent you an e-mail to tell you why she does that. Came to me when I saw the "offending" comment she posted.

Doppelganger said...

Sassy,

Thanks for 'sorting' Supertroll.

Let's all fight our own corners, but lets keep it a clean fight if that is at all possible.

Thanks for being reasonable.

:-)

Rosiepops said...

Sass,

I have read your email and understand it completely and she is not trying to crash the site it is just laughable nonsense by someone that thinks he knows everything and really knows nowt!

If he does attempt to crash this site, we will report him to Google. I do know they take a very dim view of this and surprisingly they do act very quickly under these circumstances!

I cannot think of a more childish way to behave, facts should tell the silly man that as Viv's site has never crashed that what he thinks is just total nonsense! But hey Sass, when have those long-life dimlit bulbs ever let a little thing like fact get in their way?

But if he does what he did again perhaps he should remember that we too can play the same stupid games and take Viv's blog out too?

Viv may like to realise this and try to reign this self styled vigilante thicko in a bit?

We have never once gone to that blog or any blog and behaved in the way he did on our blog the other night, not even under extreme provocation.

Be warned I will report you to Google and I will report the blog you are trying in some stupid way to protect from people that are not even attacking it!

Now bloody well grow up, run along and leave the adults alone.

Sass said...

Doppel

You have the wrong idea completely about what Supertroll is doing. It is completely harmless. I realised when you mentioned on Vile's what it was.

It's not going to effect the blog in any way (so you don't have to worry about crashing her site and ours as you said you would).

Sass said...

Rosie

I am off for a bit. Just realised how much I smell of dog from the home this morning.

See you later
x

Mum21 said...

A message to Doppleganger.

Crash a site? Have you gone mad?

Let me tell you something...to crash a site you have to know exactly what you are doing. You have to understand HTML coding...and a lot, lot more.

I really do think Dopple you need to go on holiday...take a break. Give yourself a rest. Because in my honest opinion...you are heading for the madhouse.
You are not only trying to upset this blog...but you are also offending people on the vile blog.

Get a grip man...before it is too late.

Rosiepops said...

By the way Doppel, divide and conquer will not work on here, we know what you are up to and we think you are pretty pathetic actually.

As for posts on Viv's, shows again what an idiot you actually are, before Arsabliar's closed no one except for 3/4 people were making posts on her blog and those that were posting were making pity posts. When Arsabliar's went all the posters on her site and all their multiple ID's all went to Viv's, not because they wanted to, but because they simply had nowhere else to go and not one of them had the intelligence or the commitment to start up their own blog, so took the easy option and went to Viles to vent their spleens and get rid of their daily build up of poison against two completely innocent people.

The fact that you come on here crowing is just testament to the wooden spoon super-glued to the palms of each of your hand's.

Backbiting and backstabbing on here? Left alone we would be fine, but the majority of people over there just cannot leave us alone, they come here and nick posts and put them up there for all to ridicule and Vile herself and her cyber lover notdoc constantly net stalk me and write disgusting things about me and attribute posts and comments and ID's to me that I have never even heard of and you come her with your totally stupid accusations?

For goodness sake man wake yourself up and stop being such a pudding all your life.

By the way we have more than die hards as you put them, we do have quite a varied membership and the members we do have are bright, funny, intelligent and articulate and try to stick to that strange phenomena that Viles simply do not recognise - THE FACTS.

We actually have someone that knew Kate and we have someone posting from PDL, we also have private readers who are in touch through email, who we fight for.

What does Viv's have? Bile? Bile and oh yeah more Bile and not forgetting the lunacy and unadulterated lies and some posters who would be better off getting proper psychiatric treatment ie Viv, 2345, Ultraviolet etc.

So please do keep all your posters and we will stick to our sane ones, now go away and go and find somewhere else to crow and stir.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Mum

Have you read our front page report today?

If you haven't be prepared for some pretty damning and awful stomach churning nausea.

Well said to Doppel by the way.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Mandz and Tinks

If you are about I will see you later this afternoon.

Mum, don't know if you agree but it would be a good idea if each of us took a paragraph off of the front page story and commented specifically on that?

We need to keep awareness up, I cannot really say too much, but people that need our help are relying on us to do just this.

Rosiepops said...

Doppel

If you did not keep insisting on poking your Pinocchio nose in where it is not wanted, people would not talk about you, in fact they would more than likely forget you even existed.

joanypony said...

Dopelganger,

We go in for quality not quantity1

Rosiepops said...

Hi Joany

Great to see you and nice to have you back.

Did you have a good break away? How is your sister?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Everyone,

Just off out, do not feed the Troll.

Back later :0)

Rosiepops said...

Hi Tinks

See you later, we have quite a lot to get through on here and off of here today!

Rosie x

joanypony said...

Hi Rosie,

I had a nice visit with my sister and her family. My sister still recognises me but she cannot have a conversation that makes sense, it's really sad as she was really a vivacious person with a great sense of humour.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Rosie,

We sure do!.

See you later, try to ignore the irritation as best you can.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Joany

I know exactly how heartbreaking this can be, the only thing I can say is that at least where they are now they seem happy enough and are spared actually knowing what has happened to them. I watched my own mother go through this and it nearly broke my heart, so really do empathise with you.

(You have email by the way xxx)

Rosiepops said...

Tinks

see you later have a great time!

Rosiepops said...

Joany and all,

Just popping off for abut an hour, but will be back then and I am in fine fettle today too!

Things are starting to happen, at last.

see you back soon Joany xxx

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Joany,

So nice to see you back. I always enjoy your posts.

I am saddened to hear about your sister it must truly be heartbreaking. Life is so unfair at times. Keep strong x

I'm just off out, hope to catch up with you later. Take care xx

calcite51 said...

Good morning, one and all! Hope this finds you all well.

This is a shocking story about cover-ups and corruption in Portugal. Hopefully the Government of Portugal will act now and clean up the police force (but if their attitude is the same as Claw's then probably won't happen).

You should go and read the other blog. 2345 and Claw are at each other's throat this morning.

calcite51 said...

Oh, yep and Dope is going on about ST trying to crash the other blog. He threatens to crash her blog and this one.

What a foolish one he is!

calcite51 said...

Joany - I had an aunt who lived for years and didn't know anyone. What amazed me, was even the physical appearance changed - you could have recognize her from the person she had been. She had nine children and did the most beautiful quilts one had ever seen before her illness struck her.

Sass said...

Hiya Calcite

Just popping in quickly on paTROLL. Claws and 2345 have been at each other's throats for a while now if I remember rightly. Blood pressures are raised, stress is showing . . .

joanypony said...

Hi Calcite,

It's a terrible disease and one I think might run in my family. A cousin died about a month ago of this and her mother died of the same thing many years ago. When I think of it my aunt, cousin and sister were all quite highly strung so whether that has anything to do with it I don't know.

My eldest sister who will be 85 this year still has her faculties about her but getting a bit forgetful. My brothers both died at 73 but still had 'all their marbles'!

I'm just keeping my fingers crossed!

Tulip said...

And Swedish Mum and (I think) Marga are having a profound discussion of how suspicious it is that Kate and Gerry seem to speak with a funny accept and not like academics they have known who speak perfect English!!

Meanwhile they are congratulating each other on how many languages they all speak.

Tulip said...

Sorry, I meant accent!

calcite51 said...

Aw, Tulip aren't they a great bunch over there?

Unfortunately, it's not the first time Gerry has been criticised for his Scottish brog. I think one time on DE's HYS it was the main topic of conversation. I finally became annoyed with them and told them I had never read such rubbish.

No one ever criticised Kate for her accent on DE that I recall.

Sass said...

Hiya Joanypony and Tulip and Calcite (again!)

It's hysterical reading on the bleugh. Clawdia appears to be "in charge". She is telling 2345 off, who is telling her to take a hike. Assassin is posting every minute or two and ICTOAN has had enough and wants to leave the bleugh forever. Better than Coronation Street!

joanypony said...

Hi Tinks and all,

Sorry I did not look far enough back for your post tinks, I was not ignoring you.

Things seem to be moving on in the McCanns case. I just think that they have been treated abominally by ignorant, holier than thou morons and members of the media and PJ. I'm more certain than ever now that there is a lot more to this than meets the eye and I hope it all comes out soon. An end to the Portugese secrecy laws would be a start.

calcite51 said...

Sass,
I know isn't it funny? Mrs. Consecutive number is going to give herself a heart attack if she doesn't calm down and Claw is egging her on.

Claw is telling everyone that a tsunami is going to hit our blog very soon from Portugal. We'll see....

calcite51 said...

I agree Joany - an end to Portugal's archaic law of secrecy would be a start.

One would hope the Portuguese government would have an internal investigation but I think the government's hands are tied. We see the hysterical reaction from the Portuguese people when there is talk of shelving this case - I think they want blood and the people don't care who's blood it is or whether or not the people accused are innocent. This is of course in MNHO.

Tulip said...

I've never found any Scottish accent unpleasant to the ear (though incomprehensible sometimes when one speaks to a Glasgow call centre!) and Kate's soft northern accent is rather attractive I think.

Many Scandinavians, Dutch and Germans find it hard to understand that cut-glass 'received' English has been disappearing ever since the Sixties. Because it's not what they learn at school they think people with regional accents are speaking 'poor' English.

calcite51 said...

Another day, another blog - she mentions our blog - that's the only reason I copied and pasted it...


Bianca said...
Hi Viv (and everyone!),

I've created my own blog (experimental - will see how it goes) and was wondering if you would like me to include a link to your blog? My blog discusses the Madeleine McCann case but in nowhere near the detail of yours. It is more about parenting issues and about disparaging the ethics (or lack thereof) of the Pro's. Like I say, not sure how long it will last, but thought I'd at least attempt it. Let me know if you'd like me to link.

Thanks :-)

Sass said...

Calcite

She has been "promising" so much for so long Y A W N!!! What was all that "I can't wait" stuff? Someone is going to make a TV programme or something? Gosh, wow, what news!!!

Just reading about how traumatised Shannon Matthews is apparently. Awful it it's accurate - she can't remember how many brothers and sisters she has, thinks she went on a day trip to the seaside and had visitors although noone seems to have been there to visit her. They reckon she may have been sedated and that's why she is so confused.

What a complete and total mess. Not only that, they reckon (not proven by any means) the mum is pregnant with her eighth kid.

joanypony said...

Calite,

I cannot believe that the Portugese people can accept that people are still tortured for confession, I am pretty sure that woman was tortured and I've said it before, if the McCanns had not been so high profile the same thing would have happened to them.

joanypony said...

Calcite,

Sorry for Calite, finger slipped!!

joanypony said...

Calcite,

Can you give me the 'other, blog address, I want to see what these nutters are saying, it will maybe give me a laugh!!

Sass said...

Calcite

Sounds like a let's slate the pros blog to me. Am sure we will be accused of all manner of stuff that noone has ever said. Oh well, nowt new there!

calcite51 said...

Joany - here you go - it is actually very funny today....

http://justiceformaddie.blogspot.com/

calcite51 said...

Sass - you're probably right - it's okay we can handle it. Apart from that, I would like to see the first article on Vile's boys and their little escapade - she could may be talk about the dangers of tobagging down slope onto a highway.

calcite51 said...

Oh, yep and drinking beer and smoking funny cigarettes in the morning.

calcite51 said...

Joany - if you visit on the othe blog - you should gently suggest to Mrs. Consecutive numbers she should also start her on blog on foooooooooooooorensic evidence and the woof, woof evidence. She could talk for years on those two topics.

calcite51 said...

Joany - what struck me as odd from the very beginning of the McCann's situation was the day after Madeleine went missing. Mrs. Murat (Robert's mom) set up a booth so people could give her leads in Madeleine's disappearance and the reason she did this she said was because the average portuguese person was afraid of their police force. That in itself spoke volumes to me.

Sass said...

Calcite

Bet you've helped with a few articles there!

Sass said...

Calcite

But also weird was that she was allowed to that! As Christabel said can you imagine in a British enquiry the police allowing someone to set up a table somewhere and talk to possible witnesses!

calcite51 said...

Well, Sass what can I say? I think ST did it much better - I did see the cans but was not sure if they were pop or beer so didn't dare comment on the beer part. Glad ST did, though.

Tulip said...

News ladies. Bianca has now set up her own blog specialising in, among other things, 'the ethics or rather lack of ethics of the pro's!' PLUS -- someone at Viles went to visit the new blog and found porn on it.

You couldn't make it up.

calcite51 said...

Agree Sass that it was very weird Mrs. Murat was allowed to set up a booth.

calcite51 said...

Tulip - the porn one that they're talking about is the link that Assassin provided this morning. My understanding is that Bianca hasn't really set up her blog - it's in the planning stage. But wasn't going there good for a laugh this morning?

JANEGT said...

oh dear a mental institution is required for doppelnuttymenacinttwit of the years....

you know the little boy, no mates, in corner, snotty runny nose, long lon shorts, no clean hankie, curledup shirt?

His menacing threats are ridiculous. Asking someone here to 'sort out' supertroll?

S O R T O U T>>>

THE ONLY ONE NEEDING SORTE OUT IS YOU AND YOUREARLY IDIOTIC TENDENCIES. GO AND WATCH DR WHO AGAIN WITH YOUR POOR, POOR NEGLECTED KIDS. HOPE THEY DO NOT TURN OUT AS SAD, VENOMOUS AND VACUOUS AS YOU.

sort out your own messes and stop your idiotic menacing threats you loser.

support who you like, say wht you like, but not on here where we have some standards, unlike you and yours.

now get lost.

you are more twisted than the big dipper.

calcite51 said...

I know Jane it is ridiculous.

Tulip said...

The other blog is a classic example of Chinese whispers.

From the PJ leak that Madeleine mentioned crying sometime in the night, they now state as fact that K and G left Madeleine 'screaming' to go to dinner on the 2nd. Then all the gullible followers go ooh aaah, how DREADFUL.

PS Was THAT what they meant by the porn, Calcite? Sorry -- a bit slow today.

calcite51 said...

I'm pretty sure it was, Tulip - Assasin posted some link and Dope went to see it - came back and accused Assasin of sending him to a porn link.

JANEGT said...

CALCITE

hi there. how are you today?

Just read back all yesterday's posts and this mornings and afternoons !!!! and see doppelstupidmoron has been at it again trying to disrupt, menace and threaten - when his blog under pressure, as there is no case to answer and they have been supporting the losing team all along. saddos. sickos.

Only menace about doppleidiotloser is Denis the Menace... about his intellectual level. No sorry I am maligng Denis the Menace there, bigtime.

It is so obvious what is going on now, how the tide is turning, yet they can't see their own noses. Too covered in the brown stuff.

Sass said...

Hiya Jane

You have to look at Vile's - absolute comedy.

Did you see what I wrote about Shannon Matthews? Poor little kid.

calcite51 said...

TODAY, the other blog is BETTER than any other soap opera I've seen in a long time.

Mrs. Consecutive fighting with Claw; dope and assasin having fist fights.

I shall be leaving shortly as I have to get ready - early sunday morning here and I'm going in to work for a few hours then I'm off to see a musical for Beauty and the Beast with friends and their daughter.

joanypony said...

Calcite,

Had a look in at the site, are they real?

All they go on about is postings on this site and 'dope' reports everything, I think they get their kicks out of this.

I think we should ignore them and stop mentioning them at all as they are so unimportant!!

JANEGT said...

ha ha ha calcite

wasn't it in his 'favorites' then? ohdear, one he missed.

ha ha ha ha h ha ha""""!!!!!

Sass said...

Jane

Claudia is promising stuff again! You know the "really big stuff" again that turns out to be a Y A W N. No Nytol needed!

Off for a bit, folks - see ya!

x

calcite51 said...

Poor Shannon - I hope she is provided the help and emotinal support she requires. Her real dad is not in the picture is he? I don't remember reading anything about her natural dad.

And Shannon's mom is pregnant again? That could be another topic for Bianca's new blog. Wave to Bianca.

calcite51 said...

You're probably right Joanie - just that Today was a really good laugh on tha site (does not happen too often). Usually they're all just bitter, angry, frustrated people who are taking out their frustrations on Kate and Gerry.

Tulip said...

Clearly I shouldn't try to post intelligently over a weekend. The 'porn' they were referring to was I now realise on Asassin's site not Bianca's proposed one!!

Whizzing over there and back is clearly addling my brain but I simpy couldn't miss the farcical happenings over there today.

JANEGT said...

hiya SASS

No just getting up to speed. see Karen Matthews reported as pregnant again now.....we shall see.

Didn't see your post. Will go and look now. Taken me hours to read back all the stuff from our blog from last dinner time....

We had a lovely meal out, gorgeous food, ambience, etc. Much needed treat...then came on to this lot of reports and felt all sad again.

Doppelidiotposter will find supertroll's mention a 'cyberasbo' to flaunt you know. Such is the Dr Who mentality of his type. ha ha ha.

He would regard Dr Who as a deeply influential Feature Drama. ha ha ha

Off to read some more.....

catch you soon.
;o)))))))))))))

calcite51 said...

Jane, I'm good today - and thank you again for coming to my defense yesterday.

JANEGT said...

TULIP

what on earth are you rambling on about??? Porn???? Assassin apparently is why doppelidiotposter came on here to constantly repeat button disrupt over last days. so why?? Assassin is no friend here, and does not post here and has not done, thankfully for a very long time.

There's a marriage made in heaven. is it? Doppelssassin

ha ha

JANEGT said...

No probs Calcite...not nice when folks copy and paste someone, then ridicule people --- and when I see it I respond. sometimes, perhaps, I should sit on my hands rather than key in. hmmmmmmm....

Where's the debate in that though? I call it weak sh*t cyberbullying --- and they have to be out in the open --- then things will take care of themselves one way or another. I loathe 'sneaks' and 'menacing' people. Just weak sh*t losers.

Aha.....

What a lovely warm friendly day it is today. Gritters out on our roads last night so very very cold, but so sunny. It is coming up to 4pm here......half way through our school hols........;o))

Tulip said...

I promise promise promise not to go back to the other place or mention them any more today but in right now it's addictive. Bianca now talks as if her blog is a fact -- and nancy believes that Max Clifford is a 'highly-respected journalist!!'

Yeah, and Gordon Brown is a pole dancer?

Tulip said...

Jane, sorry for rambling.

I only come back now and then for short stints and don't read everything in between.

calcite51 said...

Tulip - I saw Bianca's blog is called "Bee Hive" (I think) so she must have set it up.

Today, the other blog is a comedy....

JANEGT said...

Tulip

no no no I am highly amused and 'tickled pink' by your revelations....ha ha that is what I meant by 'rambling on' with those misfits and their inter falling out and being sent to pporn sites, as was said, you just could not make this up.

Fantastic entertainment......

the sad bit is....

they mean it and are serious. that's the sick bit.

Huge fun. Your 'shocking start to a Sunday' will keep us all amused for hours. weeks even months. Great fun if it weren't so so sad.

With your stamp of (dis)approval I can only but go now to look and see.

Well, I need a laugh...... ;o)))

see you when I get back frm the ''twiglet'' zone...

calcite51 said...

Actually, Tulip, Drs. McCanns have set up a blog and it well worth a read. The comments from people who support the McCanns from all over the world are absolutely positive and touching.

http://www.findmadeleine.com/

Rosiepops said...

Hi everyone,

I am back, I made Bombay Potatoes for 4 weeks, two different salads and two different lunches and took the little dog out for a walk.

Oh and Claw (waves - not the tsunami saying you pinched from someone though)

Get a life and get original of and for you, I wish you would "get lost in translation"

Do they have job centres in Portugal or are you just tipped onto the nearest slag heap?

Oh and when you do lose your job do feel free to laugh like this:

lololololol

calcite51 said...

Jane, you're gonna love the conversations between Mrs. Consecutive Number and Claw - were her claws out today.

joanypony said...

Calcite,

Had a look at 'find madeleine' site, there is a posting from a Claudia in Portugal, couldn't be from THE Claudia could it? If it is she is a two-faced moron.

Rosiepops said...

Joany

Whether that posting was from THE claw or not, the sentiments still apply, Claw is a two faced moron, you got that right. lol

supertroll said...

Hi everyone,

The lovely Bianca has started her own blog, and I think I should sue her for copyright infringement.

She has copied all aspects of my blog!

After visiting it and saying that I was completely psychotic...

I am finding it very funny.
hehe

Hope you are all well.

ST

JANEGT said...

Doppelganger said...
UV

Well I think I know what Supertroll is up to and here is a message for her

If you crash this site, I WILL crash your site and the other one two.

Your choice.

Sunday, 13 April 2008 12:06:00 o'clock BST

__________________________________

from house of sh*t just now an open an direct 'thret' from dennis the manace. shaking in our boots. stupid, vile, tosser that he is.

go and pull your trousers up you wa**er.

calcite51 said...

Joany - Yep, I noticed that too - I would think Claudia is a fairly common first name in Portugal/Spain. That's my opinion - I think the Claudia is much too vicious to be nice unless you're a PJ/Alsabella/Athena.

joanypony said...

Calcite

Emphasis on 'common' as far as our Claudia is concerned, LOL!!!

Rosiepops said...

Sass

An Austrian swimmer just smashed the world record 1.47 in Manchester, absolutely stunning and them more amazing thing is that the swimmer who came second broke the world record too!
Amazing!

Mandz said...

1) Amaral and his colleagues face countless unanswered questions about mistakes in the original police investigation into Maddie's disappearance, such as failing to ensure the McCanns' apartment was sealed off for forensics. (This did not happen until the next day, by which time the McCanns, their friends, resort staff and detectives had traipsed through, destroying potentially vital evidence.)


2)They also failed to seal off the Mark Warner Ocean Club resort. No roadblocks were set up and police on the Spanish border - two hours' drive away - were not alerted for 12 hours. Staff were only quizzed 60 hours later. And the CCTV footage from a busy main road was never studied. The list of mistakes goes on.
***********************************
Hi All,

Countless unanswered questions & List of mistakes GOES ON……....WHY?
Why is no one been hauled in so to speak about these alleged mistakes in “basic” police work? Who decided this was acceptable police work? Why allow a “suspect” to be in “charge” of this missing child case (Maddie) when he is a “suspect” in another missing child case?
What type of cases receives the “very best” police work?
I have said this many many times where is their accountability and responsibility in this “investigation” (if you can call it that)? The secrecy law for a start it appears they use and abuse it and yet no one takes action against them? Yet suspects are gagged?
TV footage not checked I was not aware of this other failed action. Why would no one think I better check TV footage? I'm not a detective however this would be an automatic thing to do... Unbelievable and a disgrace.

Are they above the law because it appears they are? Their latest leak says it all however I want to know what they are doing about this MESS..?? This little girl needed their help and did not deserve in my opinion second best. No missing child deserves second best EVER.

As for the casa pia case in “secret” why & who are they protecting? What effect will this have on the “victims”?

I truly am furious and heartbroken for Maddie and her family.

Bye for now off again to make tea….

calcite51 said...

Mandz - I just have one more comment - I don't think any PJ's get sack in Portugal ever.....They should be but they aren't - in my view.

Rosiepops said...

calcite51 said...
Joany - Yep, I noticed that too - I would think Claudia is a fairly common


yes Clacite and Joany I agree, i think Claw is fairly common! In fact I think she is common - full stop, no breeding you know!

Rosiepops said...

Hi Manndz,

What do you think of the report on the front page?

Absolutely staggering isn't it? What is the EU doing alowing Portugal to get away with this?

What the hell use is Europe?

Goncalo Amaral is a public disgrace! I am so looking forward to that mans trial and that of Paulo Cristaovo!

Odious scum bags.

Rosiepops said...

"Tulip said:

nancy believes that Max Clifford is a 'highly-respected journalist!!'

Yeah, and Gordon Brown is a pole dancer"


PMSL No Gordon isn't but docmac is, that is why he wears a frilly white skirt over his trousers!

Now stop it Tulip you are making me laugh really loudly and I ma getting strange looks from the little dog!

calcite51 said...

ST - took a quick peek at Bee's blog. See you made a few contributions - I'm sorry you didn't give her a few ideas - like adults who behaving like jackasses (vile's kids); or perhaps she could interview teenage kids who beat up other kids or their teachers and put the video on You Tube. She could ask questions like, "Were you ever spanked as a child or were you treated like a little princess?"

supertroll said...

Calcite,

I'm afraid I can't ask her anymore because she has turned comment moderation on, ant turned her blog background blue!!

I did ask her how Nanday was coping with the Australian accent though. hehe.

ST

calcite51 said...

It's okay ST - she'll probably come here and read our comments. ST you should offer your services as commentor to Vile - I think everyone has gone crazy today over there - and I don't think Claw is providing much monitoring (probably went back to bed or could be on this blog reading our comments - okay everyone wave to Claw!!)

calcite51 said...

Sorry ST - I meant Monitor not commentor.

Rosiepops said...

Who is David of Dunmow?

Rosiepops said...

Hi Supertroll

how goes it?

Calcite, I have email fever!

calcite51 said...

Rosie, should I start e-mailing the powers that I mentioned the other day??

calcite51 said...

Rosie:

And should I cc you on these e-mails?

supertroll said...

Hi Rosie,
I am a bit better now.
I have been laughing at what is going on at Vile's.
2345 is accusing her of being a fake and someone posting as 'whole' is also warning them about her.

whole said...
2345 and everyone else...

The PJ don't care about libellous posts, this is all a smokescreen.

This 'Claudia' is collecting posts against the McCann's. She has been paid to infiltrate the blogs that disagree with the official versions.

I would strongly recommend that people stop posting here until Viv can establish the real identity of this person.

2345, you were right about Muldoon, and you are right about this one too. I used to post here but I am too scared to do so right now since the blog has been taken over.

Clawdia must be seething.

ST

calcite51 said...

I think Claw has left the blog - even Viv is Mad is posting over there and NOT getting deleted. Funny, so funny. Wait until Vile comes back, she'll explode.

Mum21 said...

A quick Hi to you all.

I have had a very entertaining half hour reading Viv's blog. Or should I now call it Claudia's bog (te he he).
They have all gone mad over there...including Dopple.
They no longer need to argue with us....because they have each other to argue with.
Claudia keeps falling out with 2345...and Dopple is doing his usual sh-t stirring. Very entertaining indeed...a real SIT COM.

I better whisper this...but Dopple is wrong...you can still see a persons ID through a proxy server.
But what the hell...he is a jack of all trades but master of none.

Off now to finish cooking a roast lamb dinner.
See you all later.

calcite51 said...

Mum21 - I think we should call it Viv is mad blog -he/she probably doesn't have the access to delete posts but he/she is acting as monitor -what a laugh!

Sass said...

Calcite

It's when Claw was "moderating" that chaos broke out!

calcite51 said...

Viv - it's okay I know you wouldn't dream of spanking those naughty bloggers - just send those naughty bloggers to the same place you sent your kids to and get them to take pictures of their antics. We love those lovely, family pics.

calcite51 said...

Hey, Sass - I know but i really think Claw has left the blog - there has not been any comment from her quite a while - she's probably crying on her friend Arsabella's shoulder or maybe she's coming over to strangle 2345.

JANEGT said...

yes indeed Mum21

I noted that too, doppeldennismenace put himself up as an expert of many years standing who knows knows damn all, like his kids..... kept saying he was going to them, and post after post after yaaawwwn multi posts later, he is still there bleating on. neglecting them. some dad. Some husband, who on earth could....well another matter, maybe Assassin's site more in line with that point of view....ha haha

yes, better than any tv over last months that log. Talk about a blogscrap. that took the award, no problem. What a crew.

I have just watched them blow themselves up. Lovely sight.

thanks folks for your recommendations, you were bang on here. Great fun.

and Nancy is Wooram, we all know that.........

supertroll said...

Claw is too antagonising.

Her unpleasantness is the main thing that comes through every time.

This madness is good, fun to watch.

Poor Viv, its going to take ages to delete all that.

ST

Tulip said...

Back again -- Oh Rosie, Claws on a slag heap! It's so perfect.

And I see the conspiracy theorists have ended up all shooting each other in case they draw first.

JANEGT said...

hello supertroll

we needed a laugh and boy did we get a few there. keep us going for a very very long time. What chaos.

calcite51 said...

Tulip - did you read 24 Horas is reporting that all seven children were together again? Old recycled untrue news and here they go again.

Sad bunch. Last week it was Madeleine went missing on May 2 and not May 3 (the other blog goes into phases and brings old theories back to life again). They and 24 Horas are the biggest joke I've ever in my life seen.

calcite51 said...

Priceless....Viv is mad is so good. Love him/her.

viv is mad said...
2345 Please do not talk about criminal mentality, I am more worried about your mentality, you are positively barking mad.

Sunday, 13 April 2008 17:08:00 o'clock BST

archer said...

Hello All


Because of your posts I've just had to check out the 'entertainment' on the other channel. Oh my word, I don't know who Viv is Mad is, but what a hoot! Tears of mirth are rolling down my face. Nobody can keep up...

See you later. :¬))

archer said...

Calcite SNAP

calcite51 said...

Sorry, Archer - SNAP is ?

calcite51 said...

Archer - sorry we are way off topic today - but what a good laugh.

archer said...

Calcite

SNAP - is when you say the same thing unaware of another.!!

calcite51 said...

Thanks, Archer - not a problem. Rosie you should copy the other blog and when we're sad/depressed you could post it here again so we can all laugh.

Sass said...

Calcite

I just read that about the kids too - they said they found traces of the other kids in the room. Surely if the parents and kids meet at the apartment at some point, the kids may well go into the kids' room to play. How can they tell if they were asleep there or not?

Sass said...

I have copied it, Calcite!

archer said...

This is all so funny - black humour in the face of such a tragedy I know! But we can still laugh! Sorry, but I am....

Tulip said...

Yup Calcite, just got home from the H of H and have seen the old '7 kids in the room' theory popping up again! Of course there could easily have been dna from the other kids, morons, they would have visited each others' flats!!

Whenever I read Ms Consecutive's posts I seem to hear and see her.

Thunder offstage. A woman in a veil rises in a puff of smoke like an ancient oracle. She then Speaks in cryptical tones. 'Dark Doings afoot. Sea barking at moon. All not what it seems. Blog being invaded by traitors. Sacrifice goat forthwith to appease blog gods ... Ask not When It Will be. It Will be. Smoke and mirrors commensurate.'

calcite51 said...

Sass - I don't know - what a joke they are today! And even if the seven kids were in the same bedroom (I don't believe that for one minute -- the grandmother was babysitting her grandchildren would have been with all the kids).

Even Swedish Mum is getting it from Viv is Mad. Go, Viv is Mad, go!

I have to leave now - should have left hours ago.

Good bye everyone - can't remember when I've had so many laughs. Yes, Tulip, Madeleine's story is heartbreaking but the other blog is a hoot.

archer said...

Tulip

You set the scene well .

An impressive thespian - methinks!

See you later

Sass said...

Calcite

See you! Come back soon!
Re grandma - had forgotten she was there, too.

Tulip

Love the theatre bit! Cracked me up.

JANEGT said...

Tulip

ha ha ha yes, but for God's sake don't bring Goats into it or Irina will turn up too.

ARCHER
like new avatar. viv is mad is a total hooooot.

CALCITE didn't you play the cardgame 'snap' as a kid at all? 2 of same card turning up? first one to shout? No?

Haven't laughed so much in ages.

Tulip said...

Speak not lightly of goats nor treat your Oracle with contempt.

The day comes when governments shall fall. Clarence is NotDoc. Amaral is 10th Arguido. Murat is Queen of England. The forensics have spoken.

wonder

many

right

Ena Guardian said...

TULIP

can I have some of what you are having please?

Although I have read more than once some say the 'african woman' peasants pictured with 'Madeleine' allegedly - one was allegedly Murat.' Hmmmm...well, I did read it more than once saying nothing more on that one.

????

Sass said...

Tulip

You've cracked the case! Let's all go home!

You really are a plonker - I love it!

Sass said...

Hello Ena guardian!

Ena Guardian said...

Hello Sass

Can I come in please? The other blog seems to be having a really 'strange in house' day for inmates only?

Mandz said...

Tulip...lol...!!!! Can't stop laughing!

They really are a mad bunch!


As for Claw who said the tsunami is going to hit the Pros. I was not aware of any weather warnings?!!

Claw, get your false teeth into the Casa pia dear you have enough on your plate to worry about never mind who is saying what about the PJ.

Bye for now!

Sass said...

Ena

You do just that!

Mandz

We actually manage to be here at the same time - amazing.

Claws always has some news that we are all going to freak out about. The last huge build up turned out to be a telly programme! There was no reaction from anyone about that. As I wrote earlier Y A W N!!!

Sass said...

Supertroll

You actually feel sorry for Vile? In way I genuinely do. All those posters who ignored her before suddenly take over the blog because there is nowhere better to go. Some speak in languages she doesn't even understand. She is being so badly used by them and seems to think they are all big buddies.

I know the woman deserves no pity with the way she carries on but actually I do feel a bit bad for her.

JANEGT said...

hi guys cooking and keying

something will burn and craash

Did PJ ever find out who burnt out Malinka's car? After all, it was the third vehicle to be burnt out....surely something has turned up? Or am I holding out too much hope?

Mandz said...

Hi Jane!

I'm on the edge of my seat...not...however laughing! What a prat!

Ena Guardian said...

they seem to have 'lost'
a moderator over on another blog not to be mentioned...... 'wait till your father gets home syndrome'???


or what? how strange today is. Have you a refugee here?

Tulip said...

Oh dear, sorry, sorry, broke my promise, but I HAD to take another peek.

Bianca has admitted to some uncertainties now -- so all the rest have decided she isn't the REAL Bianca. Of course not, dears, she's Madonna.

But that's not all.

You, Rosie, are Viv is Mad claims Dopple. What's more you aren't as stupid as you seem, and are really a journalist who is collecting material from the blogs to write a great work of literature.

If you don't believe me it's all there!

Sass said...

Ena

Not really refugees, but we had Doppel (who being charming is now threatening to write a hack for our site) and some new one who I believe has only ever made one post and she or he chose to make it to us! Aren't we the lucky ones - they got deleted anyway!

Mandz said...

lol lol lol......

Rosie according to Stella you are writing a book about this case and stand to make a substantial amount of cash!

Tulip said...

Yes, Rosie, about that cash you're going to make. As we have contributed so much material to your book we all expect a share of the proceeds.

Mandz said...

Absolutely Rosie remember we are part of "this" so please send a cheque!!

Tulip said...

In a personally-addressed brown envelope.

Mandz said...

Any TV shows I and I think Tulip are happy to attend. You only have to ask?!!

Sass said...

Rosie

Yeah - don't forget us. We're all in this together!

Tulip said...

Mandz, you and I are on. Can we give anyone else a lift?????

wizard said...

ive come over from Viv's, you really ought to take a look.
http://muldoonsays.weebly.com/index.html

archer said...

Hi Everyone

I see the comedy channel is still running. Blanker is actually trying to be objective - so they have decided she must be an 'imposter' .

Rosie - don't forget my cut too!..and actually Rosie, I really don't mind about you writing this book !

(Sorry if you have already covered this.)x

archer said...

Tulip

I'm in thanks! ;¬)

Tinkerbell43 said...

Evening All,

Thank you Wizard, we have received a copy too :-)

The name says it all!!

Sass said...

Wizard

Thanks.

It's Arepa being pathetic. She doesn't even know who runs the blog and she says we all find it OK that the kids were left alone - which noone thinks is OK. Don't think we'll be worrying about that loser site - her so-called "style" shows her up.

Mandz said...

Tulip should we? I mean it will depend on how much cash we are splitting! I really need a new car!!

Sass said...

Archer - two more posts after this one

Hiya Tinks - you finished living it up?

wizard said...

Viv wants to know what she should do and do you want to jointly complain?

archer said...

It's really tragic to think that they believe what they are saying...

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