Saturday, 5 April 2008

Two more held in Shannon Matthews case

Police investigating the alleged kidnap of nine-year-old Shannon Matthews in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, yesterday arrested the mother and sister of the schoolgirl's stepfather.

Detectives are questioning 49-year-old Alice Meehan on suspicion of attempting to pervert the course of justice and 25-year-old Amanda Hyett about allegations that she assisted an offender.

Shannon's stepfather, Craig Meehan, a 22-year-old supermarket fishmonger, has been remanded in custody charged with nine offences of possessing indecent images of children on his computer. None were of members of the Matthews family.

The latest arrests bring the number of members of the extended family in custody to four, as 60 detectives try to unravel events surrounding Shannon's disappearance for 24 days in February and March. She was found hidden in the storage compartment of a bed at the flat of Meehan's uncle Michael Donovan, a 32-year-old computer operator who lives just over a mile from Shannon's home in Dewsbury Moor.

Donovan is accused of abducting Shannon and holding her against her will. The schoolgirl is in the protective care of the local Kirklees council's social services department, but her brother, sister and stepsister are staying with her mother, 32-year-old Karen Matthews.

Amanda Hyett and her 35-year-old husband Neil live next door to Shannon's house on the Dewsbury Moor council estate. Alice Meehan is Craig Meehan's mother and Donovan's older sister. Shannon is being interviewed by specially trained detectives.

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Sass said...

I read that it is possible that Shannon Matthews will never be returned to her mother.

At first I assumed that social services wanted to take Shannon away because of her mother's boyfriend, but now if the mother's boyfriend isn't around and she still isn't being returned then it looks like there may be other issues, too.

melbel said...

Hi and flying bye
I am allowed one comment by the computer police, at my daughter's home !All doing well.
I think that where we differ from the other blogs, is that we are not finger pointers and we are "waiters and seers."
This is obviously a complex situation and prior to the three children of the family being taken into care, as reported in our local Yorkshire newspaper, my husband and I heard, on our regional TV, that there were 60 policemen, still working on the case.
We can be sure, that the interests of the children, will be paramount.
I personally feel, that the media should cool it now and let the appropriate authorities, deal with this.
It will be harmful, to the children,if there is now excessive reporting of personal details, imho.
Re Madeleine's case, we can be sure that the most meticulous and thorough assessments, have been carried out by SSD, re the welfare of the twins, so that speaks volumes.
There could have been no dirt to dish, re the parenting skills of the McCs, as human nature and greed for selling stories, for cash to newspapers, would have thrown up, some unsavoury individuals.
Then again, we hopefully have higher standards than Portugal, in terms of what can be reported, when people are suspects. I do hope so,anyways.
Off now for the day, but my sincere best wishes, to the nice guys of this blog, who are solid as rocks, in standing for fair and decent standards.Bye all and take care. x x x

Sass said...

Melbel

I hope the computer police will allow you a look for the replies!

Glad everything is going well with your daughter and baby-granddaughter.

As you say about the twins and Madeleine's case. So many people who know or knew the McCanns could have had their 15 minutes of fame and slated the McCanns for being lousy parents and say the children are in danger, yet they haven't.

Can you imagine what the Shannon's (half-)brothers and sisters are going through at school and with their friends? Kids can be very cruel (as we have witnessed on the other blog, sometimes this is something that they don't grow out of) and I am sure there is enough name-calling going on at school.

When the Madeleine's brother and sister are older and in school what are people going to tell them? Some parents would tell their kids awful stories about the McCanns without having any idea of the real story and the kids are bound to tell other kids at school. Their lives are going to be very difficult later, I fear.

Can you, for example, imagine Vile's kids going to the same school as the twins? What could she maybe tell her poor kids about the McCanns? Maybe a load of stuff she has interpreted from the papers - vicious nasty stuff which her kids would then no doubt repeat at school.

I think that people like those on the "let's pretend to protect children" blog would make the lives of some kids a living hell. It's not as if their lives aren't going to be difficult enough already, they don't need others making things worse.

SwedishMum said...

Good afternoon all!

The Swedish newspaper Expressen currently heads it’s website with an article saying that Madeleine may have been seen on Teneriffa’s airport. A woman named Margaret Jones claims to have seen Madeleine while waiting for her plane back to Cardiff.
According to the Swedish paper Jones has told CNN that the little girl (who was in company with a man) disappeared out of sight and Jones herself had to board her plane.
When M. Jones arrived home she contacted Metodo 3.

The article doesn't say when M. Jones is supposed to have seen Madeleine. And I haven't been able to find it on CNN's site.

I don’t know if this is news to you or not, but thought I’d let you know.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Afternoon All,

2 days and counting! Hopefully the McCs ordeal at the hands of the PJ is coming to an end and we will see the lifting of the Arguido status in the next few weeks.

This poor family have been persecuted beyond belief, they are not child neglectors, they are distraught parents of a little 3 year old that was abducted from her bed whilst she slept.

This little child should have been safe whilst they dined 89 steps away and imo it just shows how bad things really are in Portugal for a little child to be snatched from her bed and I hope holiday makers are taking this into acount when booking their holidays.

What the PJ have put the McCs through since, is imo inhumane and there needs to be an inquiry into how this so called investigation has been handled.

I do think the McCs were too trusting in leaving the children alone, but it is no excuse for incompetant, shoddy police work.

I cannot wait for the McCs to be able to tell their side of the story and I hope they get all the help and support they need in bringing this shower to account.

Sass said...

SwedishMum

Thank you for posting that - hadn't heard about that at all.

See you

Sass

Sass said...

Tinks

Hi there

Hope everything is going as OK as it can be.

Bring the PJ on to do what they probably should have done a while back. It's about time things got moving again.

Christabel said...

Hi all,

Tinks hope your feeling a little better today ?
Your post was smack on !

Just read Jane's post on other article, I too had read this.
As I read through it something dawned on me about Murat.
He is supposedly in the UK at the moment, could it be that he is also to be questioned here next week?
I bloody hope so, let some proper police interview this slime ball and get out of him what he passed on to the PJ in his so called translations.
I do not believe him or his mother in all this.
Could you honestly see the police in the UK allowing anyone to set up a table to ask witnesses to go to them if they are afraid to go to the police.

It is now being said Murat has come over for the first time, this is bull.
He has been over before this visit,he apparently came over when he went missing from Luz not long after Madeleine was abducted, his ex wife said he was over at half term in October, he was supposed to have been here when Malinkas car was blown up, which he told the press he thought someone would have phoned him to tell him about this.
I cannot understand how his account of hiring another car ( supposedly to help the McCanns ) was accepted.
There is more than the stink of sardines to all this lot.

calcite51 said...

I agree with Melbel - the papers should step out of this now - leave the police and social services to do whatever needs to be done.

SwedishMum said...

Sassy,

I can't say anything about the reliability since I haven't seen it anywhere else than in the Swedish tabloid, but I thought you might be interested.

I (like everyone else) would be absolutely thrilled if Madeleine could be found alive and well. But unfortunately I doubt that this sad affair will have a happy ending.

JANEGT said...

begin quote I read today Im just wondering here,i have today read an article saying the british police are going to interveiw 30 people, in the presence of pj most of these people were at the Ocean hotel.

I have followed this case from the start,I can recall at least 13 witnesses claiming Robert Murat was there that night,I also recall how Robert Murat (would 13 diffrent people all be lying ) asked other people to witness for him,and how he was said to hire a car saying it was to help the Maccanns.

He also has no aliby except for his mother?

surely there will be enough evidance to arrest him with this?Also i have heared nothing else from the cctv footage taken from the local super market as you are aware it was given to the fbi,i wonder if they have confirmed who was on there?

The portuguese police have now given back his pcs etc,but do you think this could be a ploy of theirs,i cant under stand why they have given them back when there was porn links there.

any way im just wondering what your veiws are on this.They must have something on him i think. end quote I read today
__________________________________

JANE HERE ALL ABOVE POSTED BY SOMEONE ELSE, BUT WONDERED YOUR THOUGHTS?

This 'red square' has always bothered me, Murat, Malinka, Antonio and Walczuch. Murat was made arguido before McCanns so releasing them soon would worry me re Murat's status too. Things there are far from right imho.

I have to go now to shops, first day of school hols and I already don't know what way up I am. Oh dear. that's only half a day in and I am a wreck it seems, as posted this already on LAST NIGHT'S thread. What a plonker I am Ah well.......

catch you later this evening everyone. Have a nice Saturday...

cheers for now....

Jane
;o)))))

Sass said...

Hiya Christabel

Noone seems to know or care what Murat is doing in all this. People say as an arguido he isn't supposed to leave Portugal and why is it only the McCanns allowed to do this, but he seems to be doing a grand job of leaving the country!

Sass said...

Hiya Calcite

Have to pop out, but will be back soon. We aren't often at the same time so thought I'd just say hi.

Sass said...

SwedishMum

Thanks - it's always interesting to hear of possible sightings, but for me at least there have been so many that it is nothing to get too excited about unless there is a picture - that would be different.

Sass said...

Jane

THanks for that! ;-) Will read it later as I have to pop out!

SwedishMum said...

How true, Sass ...

The sightings have been at least one too many, there are simply too many blonde, blue eyed girls out there (I should know, lots of them here in Sweden).

I'm off now, have a nice evening!

archer said...

Good afternoon Swedishmum

I haven't heard about that. It will be interesting to see just what it is that Metodo3 have that gives confidence to the McCanns re their continued support. I am sure we will all be astonished at their 'findings'.

Tinks Hi

This is all beyond belief - isn't it? As you say, two days and counting!
You know what makes my blood boil particularly about the public bashing of Kate and Gerry? This 'issue' of 'neglect'. It has been hashed, hashed and re-hashed, still people don't seem to get it! They must be very fortunate to 'not' see real cases of neglect. Children left hungry, unfed, unwashed, unloved. Young children beaten and bruised. I have seen all of this and more. I have seen parents under the influence of drink and drugs do things that would make you cry...I have incidents stored away in my mind that could never be shared. To me that is neglect! Good God, Tinks, did you ever realise that there were so many 'Perfect Parents' out there? Where is this 'Utopia'?. Aren't we blessed? Aren't their children blessed!! I can tell you now, I am not one of those. My husband and I have made errors of judgement bringing up our family, I readily acknowledge that. IMO this is what Kate and Gerry did - an error of judgement.

Helen, your crown is ready and waiting for you. I am not worthy. Sob sob sob. Just let me know when you are ready to collect. :¬))

See you later.

calcite51 said...

Archer, well said - there is no such thing as perfect parents. We've all made errors in judgements as parent that could have led to dire consequences but there go I for the grace of God.

IMO, the McCanns made an error in judgement - one that ended costing them dearly.

Sass said...

Archer

Hi there

Don't forget that these "perfect parents" aren't even parents in some cases! You do realise that having admitted to making mistakes when bringing up your children your rearing of children will come under the "slack parenting" title as far as perfect Bianca is concerned, don't you.

These perfect people with their perfect lives and perfect children thanks to their perfect parents. As you say, a utopia indeed. Their lives must be like one long toothpaste commercial - loads of people smiling constantly, their teeth 'pinging' in their perfect homes. No arguments, everyone getting on fine and enjoying homebaked goods!!! Like yeah right.

By the way, theoretically I'm the best cop in the PJ.

Sass said...

Archer and Calcite

I agree. Everyone makes mistakes, many things could happen, but thankfully they don't to the vast majority.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Archer,

Another thing that makes me furious is the reference to the McCs as being celebrities.

If thats the case, they must be the most reluctant celebrities I have ever seen.

They are just 2 parents, who are trying to maximise the publicity of their missing daughter. They are doing what they think is right, if people cant see this, then they are seriously divorced from all reality.

I respect them for pursuing a Europe wide amber alert system. They could have sat back and done nothing, but if their profile can help to make Europe a safer place for all children then some good has come from this awful tragedy.

Sass said...

Hiya Jane

What is that supermarket camera that was mentioned in the pasted part of your comment?

calcite51 said...

There is no doubt that they are reluctant celebrities. I think Kate said at one point when the press was making up a lot of wild stories, "It's not about me, it's not about Gerry, it's about Madeleine." I remember thinking at the time, she was completely right.

There are very few missing children's cases that stay in the public's mind as long as this one has.

I think the McCanns saw an opportunity to make changes that would benefit missing children and ensure children could be recovered quickly and efficiently.

Yes, the PJ's - two more days and then they SHOULD be coming down. Should have happened a long time ago.

And lastly, here's a message to those PERFECT PARENTS.

When your world starts crashing around you and your teenage child breaks your heart by rejecting the perfect life you envisioned for them, remember us - we are the ones who said there are NO PERFECT CHILDREN OR PARENTS.

Sass said...

Calcite

Let's face it if the McCanns did nothing and just sat down and waited people would then say that they are leaving everyone else to do the work. It doesn't matter what they do, the "perfect people" are always going to criticise.

The way the McCanns have chosen is at least making sure that if Madeleine is in fact dead (which I believe) then at least they are trying to make sure that it doesn't happen to others.

I am sure one of the perfect parents from Vile's repugnant blog are looking in here, so I will say this. Saying that if the McCanns had been at the apartment it wouldn't have happened, I half agree. It was certainly less likely to happen, but the Danielle Van Dam case shows it still may have happened.

Tinkerbell43 said...

I agree Sass, I also believe if it wasn't Madeleine it would have been some other unsuspecting family.

From some of the stories and reports of unsavoury charactors seen lurking, even before Madeleine's abduction, it seemed like a ticking time bomb was waiting to go off. And by god has it gone off now!

JANEGT said...

Hi everyone

Had major probs getting in. Goggle report page came up asking me to report what washappening exactly when that page came up. Access denied. Oh dear. Huh.

Ah well, am here now, so hopefully it is all fine. Is it inviation only again? That might ecplain it??? Anyway, here now so

HELLO ALL MY CHUMS HOW ARE YOU ALL?

Sass said...

Tinks

Has it ever!

JANEGT said...

TINKERBELL EVENING TO YOU

HOW ARE YOU TODAY? better a little bit I trust.

YES, TICKING TIMEBOMB INDEED. also TO ME IT IS SIGNIFICANT it was the very last day of their hols, they would have been all packed up ready to go next day for flying home....so it was 'now or never' scenario for any abductor/s...... I feel they were certainly watched and their routine carefully looked at in detail.

calcite51 said...

Sass, I agree completely with you if the McCanns had done nothing, they would still be criticised by the "perfect people".

The sad fact of this case and I wrote a note to the McCanns on the Find Madeleine site telling that they should do what they felt was right because regardless of what they did or didn't do - someone would criticize them.

I remember reading comments on DE when Dr. Gerry McCann went back to work - people criticized him for going back to work; same people criticized when they found out they had taken two mortgage payments our of the Find Madeleine fund. Now the trip to Portugal - people are questioning that. Some people are saying they (the McCanns) should go and answer the 40 unanswered questions. My comment, People get real - the forty questions must have been completely irrelevant to the case as the present PJ's are not even interviewing the McCanns when they come to England.

Unfortunately, in my darkest moments, I agree with you. Madeleine is probably dead.

Sass said...

Jane

No, it's not invitation only. If it is that, you don't even see the very first page of the blog. That's how you know.

Google is like that sometimes. Mandz had loads of problems the other night.

JANEGT said...

SASS

good evening to you to, I got your last question re what supermarket....?? The person posting did not say, but my *assumption* was Baptiste's as was not that the one with the cctv and fbi footage was taken from there? The owner's wife is maid at the Ocean Club also I read somewhere too.

I was locked out of our blog when came on trying to answer this post. A google page asking me to report why I could not get in came up. No matter, after 'many' attempts, am here now.

JANEGT said...

hi there CALCITE

how are you today?

I ope and pray Madeleine is alive, a long stretch I know, but I have to hold out and believe that. My head perhaps is sceptical, but my heart says yes. This whole case has been so out of the ordinary from the word go, I feel she has been targetted for a reason, lots of depth to this unusual scenario. Let's hope so anyway.

Sass said...

Calcite

The McCanns should do what they feel is right, because they know more about what happened than any of us. I'm convinced they don't know everything about what happened because I think they would have cracked with the strain of it now if they had done something.

What's all that mortgage thing about, too. You can't criticise someone for going back to work if you don't want them to use the fund for their mortgage.

Personally, I think it was a daft move to use the money for their mortgage. I would think that with the high salaries they earned they must have had some savings they could have used. However, to be fair supporting the McCanns is one of the things that the fund can be used for and it is stated that this is one of the uses.

As for the 40 questions, if their lawyer tells them not to answer them then they were right not to. The McCanns knew there were leaks to the press, the questions could have been highly personal and then the next day they would have been headline news in some papers.

Sass said...

Jane

I'm glad you wrote that about the problems getting in. At least that way anyone else having a problem will see it is worth persevering!

JANEGT said...

SASS

Yes, I agree re the mortgage, but as it is clearly within limitations of the fund, I have to concede they *could* do it, but SHOULD they have? No. Not at all. I posted that at the time.

I also agree with Calcite, they certainly are reluctant 'celebrities' and I am certain would far rather be an anonymous family perhaps looking forward now as they were a year ago today, looking forward to a week's break abroad for 5 soon.

Not to be for reasons they now know, and a lesson I trust more than learned by them and all parents all round the world. I also agree leaving them a bad, bad idea, but this in NO WAY EXLUDED any sort of abduction. Not one bit. Chidren have gone missing from within their own homes, and own gardens before. So that is not in itself an 'excuse' if ever there was one, WHICH THERE IS NOT... for such an act. Never!!!

JANEGT said...

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/display.var.2171339.0.shannon_stepfather_remanded.php

Evening Newpapers Tonight

re Shannon's mother's boyfriend's family....

oh dear. it gets worse and worse doesn't it?

Frightened where this will end to be frank.

Sass said...

Jane

Have you read about Danielle Van Dam? This is taken from Wikipedia.
___________________________________
On the evening of February 1, 2002, Brenda Van Dam and a couple of her friends went out to a bar. Her husband, Damon Van Dam, stayed behind to look after Danielle and her two brothers. Damon put Danielle to bed around 10:30 p.m., and she fell asleep. Damon also slept, until his wife returned around 2:00 a.m. with four of her friends. The six chatted for approximately a half hour, and then Brenda's friends went home. Damon and Brenda went to sleep believing that their daughter was safely sleeping in her room. The next morning, Danielle was missing. The couple frantically searched their home for her, but never found her. They called the police at 9:39 a.m.
___________________________________

Sass said...

Jane

I had a look at the newspaper but it came up as a dead link!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Jane,

I feel better today thank you x

Being left alone asleep in that apartment is NO EXCUSE for a perpertrator to enter that room and help themselves to that little child. If a child cannot be safe in bed, where can they be.

And what about the monster that committed this crime, where's the condemnation of him, where is he, what is being done to find him because so far, he is getting away scot free and probably laughing all the way to its next victim.

JANEGT said...

agreed TINKS

all this PJ delay has done is make the perpetrator/s feel more in control, arrogant, and powerful to do it again. sick.

sass

I will go and look out that link from this evening's paper again. Sorry.

JANEGT said...

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/display.var.2171339.0.shannon_stepfather_remanded.php

this better???

Jane

JANEGT said...
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Sass said...

Jane

THis is the message I got.

Sorry
This site has recently been relaunched using new software and as a result some of the pages may have moved to new locations.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Sass, I didnt have a problem with the link. I used the one Jane posted at 20:00.

Sass said...

Tinks

I totally agree. People are so busy blaming the parents for a mistake that they made that they are "forgetting" the one who actually committed the crime (and HE didn't do that mistakenly!)

Sass said...

Tinks

Smart alec!!! I keep getting a "Sorry" message. What was the word after "stepfather" in the address?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Jane,

Thanks for the link. As you say it just gets worse. It makes you wonder looking at how quickly our police have reacted and charged the Stepfather, whether Murat did have the alleged indecent material on his computer, because imo unless there's a cover up for reasons best known to themselves, surely the PJ would have charged him. But then again, I'm basing that assumption on a competant police force.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Sass: _remanded.php

Sass said...

If it's the link from yesterday then I have it!

JANEGT said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
Sass said...

Ta Tinks!

Sass said...

Jane

Reminds me of the last time I got unwillingly dragged off to church by my mum. It was really dark outside and as soon as I sat down there was a huge crash of lightning and all the lights went out! I said to my mum "do you now get the picture that I shouldn't be here?!!!

Sass said...

Jane and Tinks

The three children living with Shannon's mum have also been taken by social services and her mum is on suicide watch according to the press. As we have learnt from Madeleine's case the press isn't always accurate though!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Just going off for a cuppa, wont be long!

JANEGT said...

TINKS QUICK

SPOT MILK, NO SUGAR, I HAVE THE PLAIN CHOCOLATE DIGESTIVES TONIGHT. DAUGHTER ATE ALL THE GINGERNUTS. hope you like them. and a pack of 10 twix fingers.....

???

Here on my nicest pink plates.

thank you......

archer said...

Good evening everyone.

Tinks -
ref your 1815hrs post.I agree. If they can in any way maximise on the lack of legislation in place anywhere - they should promote this for all they are worth. What an absolutely harrowing thing to have to do on the back of their loss.

Calcite - re these alleged 40 questions. I have racked my insignificant brain to try to come up with what they could be. At most - along variations of "When did you last see her" and "Did you/anyone else harm or remove Madeleine from the apartment that evening" I failed the maths test. I tried to stay on topic and not go into fantasy-land! (I won't post what my alleged questions were so as not to give further grist to the mill -so to speak!) I'm sure they weren't deep and devious enough for some!

From reading certain posts on the other planet, it seems that Leicestershire Police have leaked the 'questions' and time-table of the impending interviews to the newspapers! Oh, and because the friends of Kate and Gerry have not been made 'arguidos' they won't be allowed to have their lawyers with them!!!! I would seriously question that, a high profile case like this. Ah well, I am sure someone here would know the answer to that.

Bring it on. 2 days and counting!

JANEGT said...

SASS/TINKS

I recall at the very beginning of Shannon's case, they dragged the water so so quickly saying the family was 'known to authorities' and they were following 'a line of enquiry' so from outset they seemed to have an idea of where they were going.

It worried me at the time, and was totally different from Madeleine's case in every way.

People, as tinks says, are looking at the wrong people here, the perpetrator/s took the child. The McCanns did not. They gave a level of opportunity, of course, with which we ll have never agreed at all. But this does not make it right nor ACCEPTABLE to take the child. Good God, I go in a jewellers, see a beautiful diamond necklace worth a million left on counter, assistant at till, I take it. who the hell's to blame@@@@@?????? The ASSISTANT OF COURSE IF YOU BELIEV THE OTHER BLOGS. OF COURSE IT WAS.... And I, meanwhile are scott free. ha ha ha lucky me, so what will I do? thinks...ho hum..well I WILL DO IT AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN, as I have some sort of immunity or even Clearance Badge from police.

Get it???

!!!!!

Indeed. Travesty. S T I N K S !

Sass said...

Jane

Wouldn't it be great if we really could all have a cuppa together!

calcite51 said...

Sass and Janegt - here's another sad case - Samantha Reunion. Type in Joyful child. She was five years old when she was abudcted.

My daughter had passed me another case that she received on facebook. I can't find it now - but it was the stepfather who murdered her. Mom and stepdad were convicted - mom got more time than the stepdad. The real dad was fighting in Afghanistan/Iraq and his daughter was murdered just before he came home from duty. Will try to get it for you.
http://www.thejoyfulchild.org/index-spride.html

Samantha was 5 years old when she was abducted - beautiful little girl.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Sass,

Me and Jane are, its not our fault your in Austria. There you go Jane, just as you like it, love the plates btw.

archer said...

Jane Hi

I have just 'found' two large easter eggs - a kit-kat one and a mars one. (other brands are available tee he he)

Not that I shall manage them all!
(Tonight that is)

JANEGT said...

INDEED A CYBERVENDINGMACHINE

CRUSHED ICE WINE G&T AS i AM TOLD i DRUNK IT (NOT) !!! SLICE OF LEMON TO SWEETEN US UP. HA HA HA

i wish we could, yes. It would be great.

was our blog REALLY seen on Sky and did anyone come on to it because of it? I never got the fullanswer to that, as I did not see it on Sky......??

ARCHER

Your crown seemed to slip last night on reading back re queen of pages....Helen wasn't queen, you weren't, so where's the Tiara now???

Iiara boom ti ay

la la la la here I go singing again. We haven't had a song for a while.

HURRY UP WITH MY TEA TINKS. Iam singing, I warn you......!!!!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Archer,

Posters on the other bog, must be getting worried if they're already bringing out their ready made excuses. Oh well desperate measures an all that!

Sass said...

Calcite - thanks will have a look!

Tinks - according to Dr_Val (I think) I don't live in Austria at all, so beware . . . Maybe I'm your neighbour!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Jane, lol, I gave you your tea at 20:31, keep up!

archer said...

Hi tinks

Wassat you say about SKY Jane?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Good Evening Calcite,

Sorry I didnt see you there. Thank you so much for your kind thoughts yesterday.

JANEGT said...

TINKS JUST NICE HOT AND WAY I LIKE IT. Pass the biccies. Glad you like the 'girlie' plates.

these creeps that surround themselves with children should be watched carefully in first place WITH FAR MORE MEASURES IN PLACE TO MONITOR THEM. Tinks is right, these are the pervs who take the children. The opportunities will ALWAYS be there, as they look for them, they trail, follow, plan, watch, bluff, anything at all to get their 'kicks' out of it. Children's homes, boarding schools, foster homes, remand centres, church groups, NONE are safe at all. Not One. These are the evil ones, not the parents.....it stinks and must stop. Chemical castration is the least we should do here. the LEAST......!!!!!

calcite51 said...

Tinkerbell - how are you doing? I was very sorry to hear of your uncle.

JANEGT said...

ARCHER

hi

we apparently had a mention on Sky News as our addie was at top of some page or something, but I did not actually see it, just heard about it. I was wondering if I could find out more about it.

Intriguing. This was a few weeks' ago now at least........

;o))

cream always rises to the surface

HA HA SASS

so you are not 'really' in Austria are you haha ha ha ha.....how would they know? They are not really in the real 'sane' world some of them....how would they know???

Sass said...

Read the story about Samantha Runnion. All that because the jury didn't believe two little girls. Disgusting.

archer said...

Jane

That is an appealing thought. C.C.

The problem is that too many 'do-gooders' put the rights of the perpertrator before the victim. This is what needs to be addressed first.

Am on taxi-duty in a few minutes - so back soon. x

Tinkerbell43 said...

Archer,

Apparently, I think it was Assasin that advised, our blog had been shown on Sky News. It wasn't long after we had gone live. Thats all I know, I've never seen it myself.

calcite51 said...

Had to go check on the other blog - to see if they left my comment to them on. It's still there - probably won't be for long.

JANEGT said...

tinks

like the new mysterious avatar.


have a twix.....

Tinkerbell43 said...

Thanks Calcite, now the initial shock has worn off, I'm feeling much better. Just need to be there for my dad at the moment, he is the first sibling of the 10 to pass away.

Sass said...

Archer

It's crazy isn't it. Some people are so obssessed with helping the perpetrator that they seemingly forget the victim!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Sass, have you got the link to the Samantha Runnion story, I just keep getting the website.

JANEGT said...

just got booted off by google again, and have to put in name and password each time.....something odd happening tonight. this is my 4th attempt.....can't understand why it does not 'recognise' me as I am keying in correct stuff.

ah well, never mind.

testing ttesting as melbel would say

...just to see if this one gets to the board....

Sass said...

Tinks

crime.about.com/od/current/p/runnion.htm

JANEGT said...

yippeeee

I am back on again.

who kicked me off then? cyberghoul?? go away.

calcite

you are still posted on the 'Bianca Show' --- and not deleted....yet,,,,,but you didn't say anything controversial. but then, sometimes HI is controversial to them. HUH>

Sass said...

Back in about 10 minutes!

JANEGT said...

I made a big mistake, guys, as bored when I could not get on, I ate a Walkers Big Eat.....

BAD MISTAKE.....

H E L P......!!!!!

Thank goodness haven't had dinner yet. day has been mixed up with it being school hols, etc. Nothing going to our usual routine/plan.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Calcite & Archer,

Re the 40 questions, in one of our front page stories, it details Kate was asked, why did the dogs react to the Scenic. How on earth if you are innocent and you know your child has never been in that vehicle, do you answer that ? and thats just one example that we know of!

Sass said...

Tinkerbell

That's one great question right there!!!

JANEGT said...

what harrowing reading CALITE from your link re the little 5 year old girl.

re Runnion case -

Avila in 2005 'given death sentence'. has it been carried out now?

Sass said...

Jane

Carrying out the death sentence usually takes years doesn't it? There are so many appeals and what not that it takes forever.

helenm said...

Good evening all,

Archer I have come to take the crown back!!! You'll have to be satisfied with plain chocolate digestives from Jane!! May I congratulate you?

helenm said...

There, that's better.

archer said...

Back now. Its ffffreezing outside.
Daughter was ready to go out in her skimpy stuff. I, in a motherly manner advised her that it was cold outside and she might want to condsider taking a jacket. "No, I'm fine" said she. We got to the cash-point miles away from home and her intended venue, and as she got back into the car she suggested we might go back home for her to get her jacket, cos it was ffffffreezing!!! duh..

Tinks

It would be blo*dy marvellous if Kate and Gerry got to ask their 40 questions of the pj. Now THAT would be something!

Sass said...

Hi Archer and our 'Ell

Archer - at least your daughter admitted that you were right and she was wrong. As a teenager I would rather have preferred got frostbite before I admitted that!

Sass said...

Our 'Ell

You're a wind-up merchant!

Archer

What would be the first question they would ask IYO

helenm said...

Archer, pretender to the thrown!!! I have demoted you!!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Helen,

lol, I told Archer you would demote her to Court Jester!

helenm said...

Sassy,

Wind up merchant? Now you know that is not my occupation!

First question should be

"why have you forsaken Madeleine?"

archer said...

Helen - My Liege Welcome back.

Sass - The first question I would ask (as Kate or Gerry) is, "Who are you protecting in your deliberate mishandling of Madeleine's disappearance".

helenm said...

Hi Tinks,

Court Jester? thought that post had already been taken by ........?

JANEGT said...

there's onlyone QUEEN BEE roundhere and it ain't on this blog, you know, the one that dhews large fat wasps to cheer herself up? Well, not here. So behave...... or I will confiscate the Tiara.

Tiara boom di ay Tiara boom da ay

TOLD YOU I'D SING IF YOU DIDN'T BEHAVE.

archer

HA HA BEEN THERE, GOT THE T SHIRT, WON'T BE TOLD, SKIMPY TOPS IN AN IGLOO MENTALITY. too bad. ;o(((

JANEGT said...

what would I ask?? not when did you STOP looking for Madeleine,

jUST When did YOU EVER START????

Tinkerbell43 said...

Jane,

DONT MENTION BEE'S!!!

dianeh said...

Good morning everyone.

Its a find but could Sunday morning here and we have just set back the clocks at end of Daylight Savings. So that meant little boy woke up around 5 am, instead of his usual 6 am.

We even kept him up last night but he still didnt sleep in.

Little monkey. Now he is laying quietly on the couch a bit sleepy.

Typical.

archer said...

Jane

lol.... daughter will be queing up outside a nightclub for about half an hour from about 11 o'clock, so she new she was going to be in for a chilly wait...and it's really draughty up that town, let me tell you. A regular clubber me. lol

JANEGT said...

HA HA diane

CAN'T BE CONUFUSED BY THE TIME, NOW CAN WE?? NO. HUH. KIDS ARE LIKE THAT ,,, A SORT OF 'RADAR' TO ANNOY.

oooopss

SORRY DIDN'T MEAN TO MENTION
B E * S .......

WHEN CAN I COME OFF THE NAUGHTY STEP???? BOO HOO BOO HOO ;O((

archer said...

Sass

What would your first question be?

Jane, your's was very good! Straight and to the point.

dianeh said...

About Murat's computer.

I dont remember reading that there was porn on his computer. But porn is not illegal, child porn is, at least in this country and in UK as well.

If he had child porn, he should have been charged with that straight away. Just as if the PJ thought McCanns were guilty of child neglect, they should have been charged straight away. This would have made no difference to the rest of the investigation, except that according to Alsabliar, the sentence for child neglect is dependent upon the fate of the child, so they would need to know what happened to Madeleine. Since they couldnt find her body, then even if found guilty of neglect/abandonment (and this is a big IF), the sentence could have been very light, even non custodial. And how would it look if the PJ were pursuing McCanns for murder/manslaughter etc, if a court had already ruled that her fate was unknown.

Probably same for Murat. Not enough on computer for a decent charge.

Sass said...

Hiya Diane - so you're writing to us from tomorrow! How sci-fi.

Jane/Archer/Helen - good questions, just don't expect an answer!

Mine would be "What the h*ll were you playing at?"

Jane - don't mention bees. Tinks is a bee magnet!

dianeh said...

And I saw the comments about Madeleine not being alive anymore.

I thought a few weeks after she went missing that she was dead. I cried and cried, as I was sure she was dead. But I dont know anymore. If she wasnt killed straight away, and the abductor(s) thinks they got away with her, then she may still be alive. What has happened to Mari Luz, is what generally happens to children abducted by predatory paedophiles. And they dont hide the body very well, as they just dont care, at least in many cases. Since Madeleine hasnt been found (and that may be because she was dumped at sea), she may still be alive.

I dont know but until I get some proof she is dead, I will continue to hope that she is still alive.

Sass said...

Archer

You get back from the nightclub in time for your tea or don't you go till later?

JANEGT said...

diane

NO, IT IS not illegal in Portugal to have child porn on your computer, nor apparently in Russia. That is why we are so angry about it all.!!!!

What bothers me efen more is that Murat a witness stated WAS IN MADELEINE'S BEDROOM ON NIGHT OF 3 MAY. Dna was found allegedly in his house. Come on. This is so biased towards this creep it beggars belief, hence my 'RED SQUARE' comments earlier re Murat, Walczuch, Malinka and Antonio. Murat was made arguido BEFORE McCanns and I fear, really fear, as to the lifting of the McC's status, as what WILL THEY DO TO MURAT AND ALL THE EVIDENCE IGNORED HERE??

archer

another question

can I borrow Murat and Malinka's computers and boats please??? Will they all, the red square quad set take a lie detector test or is this only 'rigged' up for the McCanns? I would like 4 please, independenly assessed In UK by Britis Detectives not Mr Plod Jurisdiction. formerly known as PJ. not!!!!

phew

am in lather, need a glass of wine now....sssteam eeeears ffffffuming

WHERE'S CHINADOLL???? she's usually here by now.

dianeh said...

My question to the PJ would be

"Why has it taken so long to interview witnesses that were eye witness to the abduction, or in the general vicinity of the apartment on the night of the abduction?"

Surely you dont wait 12 months to interview them. After all, you cant know if what they say is relevant, if you dont talk to them.

archer said...

Sass

I'm a back in time for tea girl myself..lol. What about you?

I pity the poor bouncers and police that have to stand out there till 4 in the morning. The things they must see!

JANEGT said...

Cinderella PJ

You have several shoes sized 23 24 25 26 27 to fit average shoe sizes 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and your case despite trying you have not managed to shoehorn to 'FIT' YOUR HUGE SHOES..

where are you going now ????

Looking forward to your 'visit' in 1 and a half days' time. Really. Looking forward to it.

!!!!!!!

JANEGT said...

sass

I am writing to you from last week Is that OK to balance others writing from tomorrow, Saturday??? good

;o??????????????????????????????????

Tinkerbell43 said...

My question would be, why did you not apply the 2 exceptions to the secrecy law ?

Sass said...

Archer - I'm a bouncer. It's my 23rd job and I have two degrees in it. Wait . . . wrong blog, sorry!

helenm said...

I see that TW is stating that there are serious issues that have to be raised regarding Metodo 3 who apparently hired someone who has now been charged and is awaiting trial for drug trafficking. I remember reading about this some time ago and if what was reported is true this man allegedly committed this crime 2/3 years ago.

BUT

How two faced can TW be? He/she has no qualms whatsoever of heaping praise on the ex PJ Paul Christavo for the release of his two books, whilst awaiting trial himself on charges involving the systematic beating of a woman in order to secure a confession.

Double standards indeed and her defence would be?

Sass said...

Diane

What you said about Madeleine still being alive. I just don't see why anyone who is as unscrupulous to take a kid from her bed would think twice about killing her when the going got tough.

JANEGT said...

good one that TINKS

very good

I recall yor posts re bees, I too had one on edge of my cup outside an english Stately Homne, screeched, flung cup in air, saw soles of my parents' choes rapidly decreasing in size. Never allowed to forget it. My lip could have been stung......

before 'stung' lips fashionable as per Lesley Ash. Posh Spice et al. Long before. thank God.

so I share your 'lack of desire to be friendly with'....bees.

archer said...

Jane

Mine is a glass of red, thank you.

Is a polograph admissable evidence?

Re your red square, that comes into the question I want answered, "Who are you protecting in your deliberate mishandling of Madeleine's dissapearance?"

Sass said...

Jane

That balances things out nicely!

archer said...

Helen

We call it TWO FAECED!

Sass said...

Dianeh

I also don't understand why it has taken a year to question people. The McCanns were made suspects in September and the people who may be able to clear them from that are being questioned now?! Way to prioritise!

Sass said...

Helen

You know it's one rule for her and one for everyone else!

JANEGT said...

ARCHER

Indeed!! No it is not admissable evidence, it can be defeated esp by doctors. so no point. Again, they are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

SASS

Yes, up to point agree, UNLESS the abductor did it to order for another reason more than blackmail, something else, something deeper, more far reaching. really deep. think of other cases eg Casa Pia of that ilk not necessarily that.....of that 'ilk' then the child living is desirable. I actually for sme reason, strongly believe this NOT to be a paedophile abudction. #why? dunno. Can't say, just don't think so. Deeper due to timings, location, etc etc. Just so out of the ordinary, the solution will also be 'out of the ordinary' and will never ever be forgotten. imho.

Just a personal viewpoint. Can't back it up, just strong gut reaction over last 11 coming on 12 months.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Helen,

You may have to wait why she googles her defence!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Sass,

I have to agree with you, I think this goes far deeper and it is bigger than just Madeleine imo.

JANEGT said...

ARCHER

here it is, large glass of French red. HOPE YOU LIKE IT. HERE'S SOME CRISPS AND NUTS TOO.

SOMEHOW A SAUCER, SPOON, AND TWIX WITH CHOC DIGESTIVES DON'T GO WITH THIS SCENARIO, NOR DO PINK PLATES. now,,,,,where's my Butler??

JEEEEEEVESSSS???????

come'ear......now.......!!!!

dianeh said...

Sass

Because often these 'people' think they are smarter than everyone else and therefore think they have got away with it. You know, if she is still alive, then the abductors did get away with it. The abductors probably clapped their hands with glee when they saw how the investigation was going. I have wondered too, whether this area of Portugal was chosen because it is remote from the 'elite' PJ, giving the abductors a very good chance of getting away.

My feel is that she was either killed straight away (like Mari Luz) or else abducted, hidden and moved, and if the abductors managed that, then they had no reason to kill her. After all, she is worth a lot of money to them alive, worth nothing dead. Also, the further away, either by distance or by going to new people reduces the chances of her being found, and therefore reduces need to kill her.

It could go either way. Just because it has been so long doesnt mean she must be dead. In fact to me, if she survived the first couple of weeks, she may still be alive.

Blunt but I dont know any other way of saying it.

JANEGT said...

ARCHER

I apologise for the delay in your wine on silver tray, the butler was on the top floor, cleaning out my 6th bathroom. He now has to start on the en suites, 4 of them too.

It's not as if this was a BIG castle, so he really should be quicker off the mark. Why is Mark 55 on Viv's s(h)ite???

I do apologise for the delay in your hospitality tray.

archer said...

Jane

Thank you. My oh my, he's a handsome devil, isn't he? You keep him all for yourself? Mmmn, love the pecs....wine wonderful too.xx

Cheers.

Sass said...

Jane

Gut reaction is all any of us can have regarding this case!

JANEGT said...

ha ha ha ARCER

a polograph one you take while sucking mints? No never admissable but you gain a lot in advertising fees. You may presumably probably, be, found guilty.

a polygraph

well, still no not admissible in court. a 'non runner' all ways. Just anti's think it sounds good. They wouldn't take them as to number of names they each have, as all 3 of them have a blog of 2,355 people. ha ha ha ha

All with major careers, very important, know PJ and Govt sources and are highly qualified doctors, etc etc and as for the fffffffffffffffffffffffforensicccs.

fffffffffffffffffffffffew.

won't say more, you know the next line. ha ha ha just deleted it. but boy do I feel better.

dianeh said...

Jane

I agree with you that it wasnt a paedophile abduction. And I think that purely because they have found no body. But sometimes paedophiles are very good at hiding bodies, mostly no, but sometimes good.

But that doesnt mean she wasnt take for eventual sale to a paedophile. Same as if she was a specific target for another reason, such as a replacement for another child, or just for an older child adoption. (After all at nearly 4, she probably doesnt even wear a night nappy, whereas the twins would both have still been in nappies, this means a lot to some people, especially if they want a child but not the effort).

I dont see blackmail or kidnap as part of it. The McCanns were not wealthy and not famous.

I think it is child trafficking and she was chosen specifically because some one wanted a blond little girl with a british accent. The abductors could have been looking for weeks, or months until they found the opportunity to do it.

JANEGT said...

aARHAHAHAHAHAHARCHER

TWO FAECED

BET HARDLY ANYONE GOT THAT ONE. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

must remember that. good one.

slight 'copywrite infringement' on that one, but will let you away with it - as will be using this again, BIG TIME. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

IT CLEARLY TICKLED YOU AS MUCH AS ME THAT ONE. HA HA HA HA ;O) ;O)

dianeh said...

Jane

As I understand it, any strong emotion can interfere with a polygraph (?? better just say lie detector I think not sure if up to spelling correctly today). And as I am sure if asked certain questions, strong emotions will definitely come out, then it is just not going to have any sort of conclusive results.

Just a waste of time. They are notoriously unreliable, that is why they are not admissable in any courts, anywhere.

Sass said...

Dianeh

All criminals must think they are smarter than the police or they wouldn't commit the crimes in the first place!

Many people believe she is still alive and it would be great if that were the case. God only knows how much help Madeleine would need in the future though.

It's true that not all missing children are killed of course - as you say. I posted a list of children that had disappeared for a long time and then come back - apart from that there is Shannon Matthews who came back only recently (what a weird story that is!).

I really hope you are right about Madeleine!

archer said...

Sass/Jane

We have all travelled miles and miles on the various blogs and sites. We have read so much rubbish and speculation, and the fact is Very Little Fact!

From this we have probably reached an opinion, some of us not too sure as to what we think, really or why. My conclusion is that Madeleine really was abducted. I am quite hazy as to the why's and the whatfors. However, I do think she will be found alive. I also think we will be gobsmacked when it all comes out in the open. I too can offer no supporting evidence for any of this - other than my gut feelings. I am certainly not blinckered to all other possibilities /probablities.

Justice for Madeleine and her family.

JANEGT said...

HA HA JUST SHOT MYSELF IN THE FOOT EH

ARCER??? I mean of course, 'ARCHER'

YOU SHOULD COUNT YOURSELF LUCKY THAT WASN'T AN *s* THERE.....

HMMM

ACCIDENT I ASSURE YOU BUT HERE I AM AGAIN ROFLMAO.....AS PER USUAL.

JANEGT said...

seriously

mark 55

*is* on v's site,

why????

archer said...

Polo anyone?

dianeh said...

Sass

I dont know, I am actually completely undecided, so flop between hoping she is alive and knowing she is not.

If the not knowing is affecting us, imagine what it is like for Kate and Gerry and the rest of their family.

helenm said...

Jane,

I looked back on TWS to check and as usual you are right he was there earlier. TW most probably sees it as some sort of victory.

I also noted that a poster named Lux ... ..... has been accepted by the mob but if you look far enough back you will see that his posts were deleted on numerous occasions. Wonder if his acceptance had anything to do with the fact that he has said that he has never posted on the House of Filth?

dianeh said...

jane

Just checked Mark's posts and as usual very reasonable.

But more worrying is that some posters on there thing that Serious Crime unit is going to be involved with Tapas group questioning. On the basis that the McCanns did away with Madeleine and then perpetrated a fraud on the whole world probably with sole aim of getting money. Not sure of the finer points, as couldnt quite bring myself to read it, as I always say, if I want to read fiction, I will buy a book I like, not read the rubbish on that site.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Everyone

Hope you are all well.

Tinkerbell43 said...

I read an article in the Times ages ago, I think it was written by a psychologist and here is an excerpt:-

Where there is a strong sexual element in the abduction, the child will tend to be older, pubescent or in early adolescence. The horror is the tendancy for younger children, of Madeleines age, to be abducted in a more planned way, to be trafficked.

It is my opinion, that this was a planned abduction, I think there was what you call spotters operating in the area and I think Madeleine is possibly being kept low by what they call helpers, who I understand usually wait for the dust to settle before moving the child on. My gut feeling also tells me there was more to that sighting in Morrocco of a child being carried by back. I've studied and studied that photo and I really do not believe it was the same child.

Rosiepops said...

Diane

those posters are demented. Like a group of doctors were suddenly going to invent a crime like this for money? Seems they would have to be psychic to see how the media were going to run, run and run with it too!

Antis this is a message for you, you are complete blithering idiots.

dianeh said...

I was going to delete my last post but I wasnt able to. I didnt make it clear that it was on Vile's blog that those comments are being made. And although all of you on here will realise that, somebody browsing through may take it the wrong way.

So I will spell it out for them.

The stupid theory that the McCanns are being investigated for fraud, is coming from a few unhinged individuals who are unable to determine reality from fantasy. It is comments like these (fraud etc) that truly are libelous and the posters of these deserve to be punished.

Only morons would believe something like this, which came from poster on a blog. Much more reliable source that the times, for eg which has given a good run down on what is to happen with these interviews. Now, who would I believe. This is such a tough choice.

?????

Rosiepops said...

Helen

I wonder if Lux is shaggy? As in Du? Perhaps he is present on Viv;s blog because he detects the stench of hypocrisy and lunacy? (The control sample is probably Viv.)

Tinkerbell43 said...

I saw an earlier post by this so called Lux, he/she was enquiring whether it was correct that allegedly 2 members of SOCO would be in attendance at next weeks interviews. I'm not sure if I've remembered the letters correctly but I think this organisation is something to do with child trafficking, extortion etc.,

I may be wrong, just trying to recall what I read. I think the information was picked up from, is it Joane Morais ? spelling.

Probably just rumour and speculation.

dianeh said...

Hi Tinkiebell

I think most of us are on the same page. It is possible, that she is alive, so we continue to hope.

On Brian's dreams website, there is much talk about the photo in morrocco. And what is really interesting, and what I find puzzling, is the amount of effort that was put into making the pictures (original and remake) look the same. I am not sure one way or the other. To me, the first little girl doesnt look like the second one, the size, cut of hair etc. What one poster on Brian's site has said is that the head of the first little girl has been pasted into the photo, to make a false photo. So the original is false. Not sure why someone would do that, unless they just wanted their 15 minutes of fame, or perhaps were paid for the photo.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Rosie,

Good to see you.

Rosiepops said...

Tinks

I think the PJ are going to have to admit they were wrong very soon and release the McCann's from their arguido status.
I would like to ask them how they can live with themselves by failing to look for Madeleine and failing to do anything about her abductors, allowing them to get clean away with their crimes, it is despicable and sickening.

I hope they can forgive themselves because I know I couldn't!

Question I keep coming back to is why? Why did they allow this situation to develop? What exactly is being hidden on PDL?

Tinkerbell43 said...

I'm off now everyone, hope to see you all tomorrow. Nite, nite xx

JANEGT said...

hello ROSIE

how are you? agree with your post there.

archer

yes please I will have a 'polo'. just get my butler to put it on his tray as I have sent you another wine - because of my spelling mistake.....and hope you accept it..... ;o)))

diane

yes I agree with you there too.

daughter just came in few mins ago 'starving' as per usual, so had to cook quickly.....she has called me a 'saddo' as unfortunatley came in during te polograph/polygraph (pretty polly isn't that Vile's site???) not...

and says there you go again mum laughing at your own awful jokes. You are soooooooooooo not cool.

so.

Now, I feel complimented at that. I have also been told never, ever, to try to 'joke' with her friends. Iscare them. huh. rot.

as in doc....rot. not.

I am not happy tonight.

I am quietly enjoying myself,get googled off, can't sign in. Can't get my link re Shanon to work in tonight's paper, bees are non postable, then get booted off twice more, archer pinches my punch faeces lines. lines on faeces.

affdl;jkafdlkjgljk;
aaaarARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


I HAVE TO LEAVE NOW. AHJAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

sad thin, only Archer will get this. hahahahahahahahahahahahah

comfort break. eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek

helenm said...

Tinks,

It is the SOCA, Serious Organised Crime Agency. IMO it is pure speculation that these officers would be invited to sit in on the interviews. For what reason? The armchair detectives are just going that tad bit too far! They are mistaking their conspiracy theories for facts. Pure hogwash IMO.

Sass said...

Very tired! See you!

helenm said...

Goodnight Tinks, sleep well.

dianeh said...

Helen/Rosie

I thought that Lux has deleted his/her own posts. At least that is the impression I got when I went back looking for the first post that started the thread.

Looks like he/she just went on there to lead the morons astray.

Not hard to do, they will believe anything except the truth.

archer said...

Night Tinks

Lets see what tomorrow will bring.

Sleep well.


Jane - :¬)) Heaven forbid that you should even think of cracking a joke to her friends. Thats soooo embarrassing..

helenm said...

Goodnight to you as well Sassy. Have to try that e mail thingy again, when you have time. Sleep well.

JANEGT said...

TINKS 23.14 POST

exactly!!!!!! I had not read this but am so glad you posted it, as I feel that way strongly too.

I feel definitely the first photo is of Madeleine. Whether 'there' or not, it is her face. The child they brought in as 'her' ....simply, was not. The bodies were not lying properly there on back of a woman. no legs eg???? Nothing ever will convince me otherwise. Was this photoshop...or transportation? cannot say.

It has also been said more than once, the 'women' in that picture are in fact men in drag.

Let's jump to my *red square* and I volunteer one or 2 of them no way in any way .....hesitatingly......they fit the bill big time.

JANEGT said...

ps

LES DAWSON WAS PRETTIER AND SLIMMER THAN THOSE 2.......

JANEGT said...

LUX...

IS A SPOOF...

NOT THEIR NAME AT ALL, AND WELL READ AND WELL KNOWN BY OTHER NAMES.

??????????????????????????????????

JANEGT said...

good night tinkerbell
god bless

helenm said...

Have you noticed that Claudia's 'Alsabella's site will be up and running in a few days' is very similar to 'PJ will go to UK to interview Tapas 3,4,5,' timing? Obviously sing from the same hymn sheet!!

dianeh said...

Rosie

Yesterday, I took a look at that blog by Paolo Reis. I can tell you that this was a great waste of time. Impossible to find anything on there. But I did look back at some of his earlier pronouncements, such as in Jan, when something was going to happen. Every single article I read, and that was about 4 because I was bored after that, and they were all older, not one of them had come true. In fact some have been shown to be completely false, yet his supporters cant seem to see it.

If they would just go back and read what he said, and then scan the papers for some proof that it ever happened, they would see that Reis has a success rate of predicting what is to come of a bad psychic. If he has sources, then he needs to get knew ones that tell him the truth.

Rosiepops said...

Sorry not much use to anyone tonight.

Good night all, sleeep well and take care, very tired so am going to turn in.

xxx God Bless Madeleine xxx

dianeh said...

And I know what is wrong with my yahoo mail now. My computer keeps resetting the Cookie setting to not allow cookies to download, even though the internet settings clearly allow it.

It became obvious to me when I couldnt delete one of my posts tonight, and it downloads cookies to do that. Anyway, I just went and changed the setting and changed it back (via Internet Options) and lo and behold, Bob's your uncle.

Meaning, my yahoo mail is up and running again.

archer said...

Sass/Jane

re the sightings in Morrocco,
Matthew James's blog was also of that opinion. In fact, once you mastered his way of writing he was quite precise. A lot of the things that he denounced from the papers have proved to be correct.

Shame he is 'ofblog' at the moment.

dianeh said...

Goodnight Rosie and Jane and anyone else who is off to bed.

JANEGT said...

night sass
sleep well, sweet dreams
stopped laughing now, but it took a long time.


ARCHER

I know, I am 'banned' from making any jokes or even making eye contact now it seems. how sad. But I do have a long, loud, raucous laugh to be honest. true.

did you get the one about wrinkled lines on faeces? that cracked me up. totally. oh dear. ;o)))))

archer said...

Night Rosie

Sleep well, See you soon x

Rosiepops said...

Diane

For a site that is meant to be run by a journalist, I too find that site hard to navigate.

As for his predictions, his predictions must rate with notdoc's for being false, notdoc's has never said one thing that has come true either Perhpas Paulo reis is another manifestation of notdoc's?


Goddnight diane x

dianeh said...

Archer

that is interesting. I hadnt read anything about it except on Brian's dreams. And I must confess, I never even gave it a thought that the original photo might be a fake until then.

Who is this Matthew James? A journalist or just another hacker like us. My personal favourite at the moment is Eyes for Lies. Good site that one. And the other cases on there make for interesting reading, such as the young student killed in Italy by her roomates.

archer said...

Jane- ;¬)

Yes, I got it! Thats the sad thing!!! lol.

JANEGT said...

who booted me off saying good night? I am still here.

oh dear.

this is one of these days. who went?

I am so confused now.

was it Rosiepops and iane that went?


or was it....me......I have lost wll to live..... help

I have not gone...yet.

but clearly am on way out.

I have now forgotten who I am trying to say GOOD NIGHT to

so all who have left, GOOD NIGHT.

I am still here.......only just....

but...
is anyone else??? ha ha ha oh NOOOOO!!

dianeh said...

Rosie

off to bed now, no dawdling. Turn off the computer.

Catch you soon.

dianeh said...

Jane

It was me, I thought you said you were going to bed or something like that.

Always confusing on here when it gets to bedtime.

archer said...

Diane

Matthew James does the Daily Merlin blog. He has just taken time out for a house move so is off-line for a further 6 weeks or so. I am rubbish at cut and paste but if you google him all his past diary is still on. I should warn you that he does a lot of his writings by card readings etc. It can be very heavy going and you have to be quite hardy to stay the course. As you are reading back to front in the diary with prior knowlege of a lot of stuff you will see how accurate he has been.

Good luck.

dianeh said...

Jane

for me it is early morning. Just coming up to 9 am and have just given rugrats a toasted cheese sandwich.

With the demise of daylight savings here and you guys just going onto it, I dont have much cross over time anymore. Now I know how Calcite feels.

At least I wont get distracted from my work as much.

JANEGT said...

ARCHER

...THOUGHT NO 'KNEW' ... YOU WOULD

AND YES

THAT'S THE SAD THING.

What are your views re Murat, Walczuch, Antonio and Malinka? No more cars burned down again outside Malinks's of late.....??

It is not right whatever it is. Can't be.

helenm said...

Good night all, Sleep well

archer said...

Helen goodnight.

xx

dianeh said...

Archer

Have looked it up and put in favourites, will read when I have the chance.

Thanks

archer said...

Jane

To be honest I can't work that out.

In a tiny place like PDL, non of them are tourists, that in itself would give them a common bond,let alone the romance, business, pleasure/scenario. Its all entwined and I am not at all sure what its about. We don't know the half of it thats for sure.

archer said...

Diane

Its not a quick read/ glance type thing. However, it chimed very much with me.

JANEGT said...

indeed ARCHER
that's for sure, and nothing else is...yet

hopefullY in a day = just over, we will start to know honestY, and justice. OPEN FOR US ALL TO SEE. THAT HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE TILL NOW. sadly.

I am REALLY off to bed now, so diane, archer, helen and anyone I am sorry I have forgotten,

a very pleasant dreamy night.
see you soon

You have some of you my email so pease use it anytime.

Bless,

Hopes for next week,
Prayers for Truth and Justice
and that SOMEONE will now start the search long, long, long forgotten imho.

As Annr used to say frm DE days

*******MADELEINE*******

archer said...

Bless x Goodnight Jane.

Sweet Dreams.

Speak soon

I am off to bed too. My Rugrat has her own key so probably wont be back for hours yet.

Goodnight to anyone else -Diane

archer said...

PS JANE - I dont have your email,so another time perhaps.x

JANEGT said...
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calcite51 said...

The other blog probably have me on ignore. I think I got deleted the other day when Viv was complaining to Mark55 about his negative attitude and questions he was asking the blog. mark came back telling Viv she was very rude - and I of course being demure and oh, so quiet wrote that I agreed with Mark and that Viv was definitely being aggressive and rude.

No, Samantha Reunion's murderer has not been executed yet. Her mom (single mom) has been a very brave lady and she has my deepest admiration.

Hi, Sass.

Archer, I've read Matthew James - I pray he's right but sometimes his readings are a bit far fetched (IMO) and nothing would give me greater pleasure then to be proven wrong.

Diane, you may be better waiting until Matthew returns to writing on the site - because otherwise you have a lot of material to plow through. He has been right quite a few times.

dianeh said...

Archer

Have been doing Mummy things. But have just had first look at Matthew James.

Itis interesting but I feel he is on the wrong track about why Madeleine was taken and that it was part of plot and always with intent of giving Madeleine back. However, if you forget the giving Madeleine back thing and look at it in terms of a world wide child trafficking ring,then much of what he is saying makes sense. But he insists that someone close to the McCanns knows where she is and was involved with the abduction. I dont think so.

Anyway, will read back over it again and try to make some sense of what he is saying.

dianeh said...

Hi Calcite

Glad you are here.

On Matthew James, would be good if the main crux is right, that Madeleine will be returned to her parents and that she is being looked after.

dianeh said...

Calcite

I read an article ages ago (probably last October I think) on the net (that I have never been able to find again) which purports to be from an intelligence agency officer in Britain. In it, he said that although Madeleine's abduction was real, the aftermath was not. That the agency knew where she was but have not returned her as they are using her to find the leaders of an international child trafficking ring. The article said that she had been sacrificed and that her parents did NOT know this. It also said, she could be brought home whenever they wanted but the agency care not for one little girl, they want the ring leaders.

I thought at the time and still think that it was just some demented person making up a story and then posting out to the web. The fact that I couldnt find it again the next day meant it had been pulled. That too is just part of someone's demented plan to make it look as though there is a govt conspiracy.

But the reason that I mention it, is that it is very similar to the scenario that Matthew James brings out. Although Matthew is a bit cryptic, I think that this is his essential message.

I dont buy it. If they knew where she was, then they have the ability to take her and arrest the people that have her, and anyone connected with them. Doenst quite ring true.

As for the misinformation he is feeling, I think we need to look no further than the PJ.

calcite51 said...

My question for the PJ's would be "How the hell could you be so stupid?" And then the rant, raving, accusations would start - how could you leak the information you did to the tabloids? How could Tubby be an investigating PJ when he was being investigated for a crime in another missing child case? They did so many things wrong, I'm sure we'd be at least 24 hours.

I'm sure by the end of 24 hours the PJ's would be begging to get me to shut the hell up and I'm sure they'd be willing to confess to anything and everything.

dianeh said...

We all have questions for them.

Somehow I dont think they will ever be answered.

calcite51 said...

I think you're right Diane. No one seems to be able to stand up to these PJ's and I'm not sure why.

I don't think in Canada, the people would put up with this kind of blatant abuse.

calcite51 said...

Or England, Australia, US, etc...I can't imagine them putting up with this kind of abuse.

calcite51 said...

I see tomorrow on the Sunday Express the headline is "SIXTY TO BE QUIZZED BY POLICE". The story is not on-line - must kill the DE to be unable to put these stories on-line.

dianeh said...

I feel sure here that there are any number of organisations that would have stepped in, asking questions.

And at least the odd politician that would make themselves known, and ask for an inquiry.

We are by no means perfect in Australia but when dealing with a missing child and no progress, then questions would be asked. We have our own unsolved case of a little 18 month old girl stolen from her bed in the middle of the night and was in same room, I think even maybe bed as siblings. The police are still on it (it is nearly three years I think) and I believe that the police think child taken for illegal adoption purposes. This has been gone over and over in the press and raised its profile again with Madeleine's disappearance.

But no where has anyone accused the police of being incompetent. The parents have had nothing but praise for the police. But whoever took her, has hidden their tracks very well indeed. The police have held reviews of the case etc, as you would expect and did investigate the family and friends. And conclusion, abduction by persons unknown. But they must have known the family to know the little girl was there. That little girl is probably living with a new family and would not know that this is not her real family.

But point of all this rambling is that the police tried hard, and followed processes and then later on went back and reviewed the process. They even were involved in bringing case back to public attention when Madeleine went missing. How different to the way the PJ have acted?

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