Tuesday, 8 April 2008

The Shannon mystery: Police check tape of fake kidnap plot in Channel 4 drama Shameless

Last updated at 00:37am on 8th April 2008

The episode of Shameless at the centre of the police inquiry was screened a month before Shannon went missing.

Channel 4's black comedy featured the fake kidnap of a schoolboy and a £500,000 ransom demand.

Detectives have obtained a copy of the show, which drew an audience of 2.5million, and may question Karen Matthews about it.

In an episode of Shameless Liam is abducted in a false kidnap. Police are studying the show to see if there any significant similarities between the plot and the Shannon Matthews case.

In the show, broadcast on 22 January, the local TV news reports that Frank Gallagher - the dysfunctional family head played by actor David Threlfall - has won £500,000 on the lottery.
But it is simply a ruse so he can enjoy the fame and get free drinks in the local pub. His teenage daughter Debbie knows her father has never bought a lottery ticket in his life.

To get to the truth she stages the fake kidnap of her younger brother Liam, who willingly goes along with the idea.

A ransom demand is made for £500,000 to match the figure Frank is said to have won.

All along Liam was hidden with a friend of his sister a few doors away.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=557962&in_page_id=1770

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Jojam said...

Good Morning All,

with regards to Madeleine case

Interesting article worth a read

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/apr/06/madeleinemccann.internationalcrime?gusrc=rss&feed=uknews

I do not feel it appropriate to speculate on the Shannon case....I just hope she & her sibling can be placed with loving stable families.

Sass said...

Thanks for that JoJam.

melbel said...

Morning all
Not on long,as preparing for our extended holiday,next week.
I agree with Jojam about not speculating,on the Shannon case,but the general conclusions that apply to the Madeleine case, to me,are two.
Outsiders,including the Portugese Psychologist/?psychiatrist, diagnosing body language, via watching someone on TV,are ludicrous.To know what is actually going on in a case, even with daily leaks from what has been shown to be a very unprofessional Police Force,[if this case is anything to go by ]is impossible.
Just because people are arguidos [and this has a new dimension,in Portugese law]does not mean that they are guilty.It is possible to ruin innocent people's lives and those of their children,by spreading rumour and character assassination.
I never ever agreed that it was appropriate for the DE and other gutter newspapers, to be allowing ill informed people, many of them not very bright,to be allowing HYS,on the Madeleine case, or any others and hope it will never happen again.
There should be a cleaning up of the internet, with what is regarded as decent and fair and proper comment.
No professional policeman, in any country, would attempt to comment on forensic or any other evidence,in a case, he or she,is not involved in, as not at the heart of the investigation.
Not only do these anti fools comment, but some are convinced of guilt, having no doubt whatsoever.
I think that such people, are going to end up looking very silly, having expended months of energy on this.
Many,on TWS think we are paid posters, not appreciating that the majority of decent people,withhold judgement, until a much later stage.
After all, the timelines are not even sorted yet,by the PJ !
Had the daily leaks and ludicrous theories, not been overplayed, by the PJ ,none of this media advisory stuff, apart from co ordinating and giving publicity, to the search, would have been needed.
I shudder, when the chilling Irina suggests that this child would have been better off with Vile,or notdoc,as a parent, as such people,have totally lost any contact with reality and have "no values and respect for others ", to quote vile.
As well as taking a cheap pop at a very good mum in Diane [we say mum and not mom,Vile, in the UK.Where are you ?]Vile writes that a fair trial is needed for the McCanns.
Is that a fact, Vile ?
You do not know the meaning of fairness and decency.

Mum21 said...

Jojam. A question for you.

If you do not feel it appropriate to speculate on the Shannon case....then how come it is appropriate to speculate on the Madeleine case?

There is no difference....they are both children that went missing.
The only difference I can see is the British police found Shannon....Madeleine is still missing.

helenm said...

Good morning Jojam and Sass,

A quick one before I head off to the dentist, that's if I can find a boat to take me. It is persisting down, rain is sweeping down the hill.

I see the article in the DX is saying that the Matthews family allegedly asked for money from the Madeliene fund and the police are investigating this. It is also alleged that Shannon's mother confessed to knowing where she was all along. How sad if this is true. IMO there is more to this and hopefully it will all come out in time.

Diane I agree with your post last night about there being no need to feel ashamed about the fact that you supported this family from the start. That is the difference between the posters on this site and the majority of posters on TWS. They held this mother up to be the entire opposite of how Kate Mccann behaved, and how it was fitting that she acted in this way. Hope they look back and reflect wisely on this. Doubt it.

Jojam said...

Good Morning Mum21,

I have never speculated on Madeline's case unlike many on the internet HYS & blogs I beleive that it is very unfair on both the Mccanns & the PJ I have always been very measured in what I say. I tend to go with My Instinct......I felt from the Start that Madeleine was 'Abducted' .........The media reporting has been appaling & has caused & lot of the speculation in the case................I do feel there may be more to it with regards to other issues we are not aware of & Portugese secrecy laws & PJ mistakes have not helped.

With regards to Shannons case.......I felt from the start that it was NOT an 'Abduction' & that she would be found safe & well............Just My Instinct

Melbel,
I agree with your excelent post....I think the media allowing HYS on the Madeleine articles (most of which were speculation rumour & hearsay) a big mistake that has brought out the very worst of human behaviour & caused untold damage to peoples mental health. The leaks spin & lies in the media has caused a witch hunt against The family & their Friends.

kiwigirl said...

Good morning/evening everyone!

Diane just wanted to let you know that I'm thinking of you with upcoming appointments - there's nothing worse than hospitals and children! My wee boy had an adeno-tonsillectomy late last year and wound up having a post-op bleed, thus requiring an ambulance, emergency surgery and HEAPS of TLC (ie two weeks off work for mummy)! This is nothing though compared to what you have gone through and are still going through with your wee girl, take care of yourself!

Sass, I finally did manage to get the wee man back to bed, two bowls of cereal later - I think he's growing as all he does at the moment is eat! Mind you he arrived in my bed around 2am as he got too cold, so I got to spend the rest of my night cuddled up around a three year old - quite nice really if you like a breathing hot water bottle.

Good to see the PJ have finally made it to London and the questioning has commenced, maybe now there will be a breakthrough...

I must say it just breaks my heart that Madeleine has lost nearly an entire year with her parents and siblings. My little girl is a couple of months older than Madeleine and the changes that she went through cognitively, emotionally and physically in that last year before starting school are huge, and all of them have missed sharing these!

Mum21 said...

Jojam,
Good Morning to you.

I notice on the DE forum this morning you stated Karen Matthews should be put in prison for a very long time.

I agree with you 100% on this...IF she is found guilty.
At the moment is is all speculation.

As for the Guardian article you posted on here today...thank you. I found it to be unbiased and very interesting.

Sass said...

Hiya Mellybelly, Mum21 and Our 'ell

Mum, you asked the same question I was going to ask! Great minds!

Melbel, I think the paid-posters card is pulled whenever there is no argument that they can use. Have you seen that already although the PJ is over in Britain the antis are covering themselves saying that the people being interviewed had time to prepare their answers! Why did they want the PJ to come in the first place if that is the case! Ridiculous. I reckon there'll be a lot of backing down going on on Vile's.

As for Irina's ridiculous comment that Madeleine would have wanted Vile or notdoc or whoever else to be her mum or dad??? What was all that about? Sick sick sick! How dare she claim to speak for Madeleine like that - actually, let's face it, what Irina wanted is to be told how lovely she is and nothing else. Puke. Bunch of psychos imo.

Taking a pop at Diane was well below the belt - nothing new there for that lot. Vile should worry about her own new-age travelling beer for breakfast drinking kids.

Our 'ell - wouldn't expect too much in the way of reflection from Vile & Co! Have a lovely time at the dentist! Hope the black & decker doesn't hurt too much!

Sass said...

Hiya Kiwigirl

A friend of mine is going through something similar with her oldest daughter. She is soon to be 12 and she is shooting up and is of course starving the whole time! She is very tall and slim (like the whole family despite the fact that they all eat loads) and is eating about double what she used to eat.

When I last got there she had just had lunch. We then had coffee and cake (oh how Austrian) and a couple of hours later she was heating up the pasta that was left over from lunch. A couple of hours after that we had tea.

Her mum gives her a loaf of bread with half a cow in it to take to school and she was complaining she had to buy something else to eat when she was at school because she was hungry after it!

Everyone is glad that the PJ has finally turned up. Naturally the antis are now saying that the whole thing has been rigged - typical!

Jojam said...

Mum21,

You are quite right, I Should have said 'IF found guilty' in my DE post.........Although from media reports it appears she has admitted knowing where Shannon was all along...........However, this may not be accurate as we know, some reports are not.

I'm usually more careful!

Mum21 said...

According to 24horas the PJ have been given permission by the British police to conduct the questioning themselves this week....with the British police just overseeing.
I do not believe this for one minute...do any of you?

Sass said...

Mum21

I thought 24 Horas wasn't to be believed in general!

kiwigirl said...

Hi Sass

Good grief that sounds just like my daughter...at just five she is already 114cms tall and slim. Honestly, I'm just pleased both her dad and I are working as when both the kids are teenagers they'll be eating us out of house and home regularly!

I'll be very interested to see if anything is reported on the net tomorrow morning. I try and check that at least twice a day in my breaks at work. We hear very little over here as the Herald and other national papers don't tend to run with a lot of international news!

Anyway hope everyone has a good day, it's bed time over here - an early night tonight for a change! Take care!!

Sass said...

See you Kiwigirl - make sure you become millionaires before your kids become teenagers!

Have a good sleep - wonder when we'll hear something!

Jojam said...

Mum21,
I would not believe any thing in 24Horas!

Mum21 said...

Thats ok Jojam....I also have my own thoughts and opinions on the Sharron Matthews case. I have done from day one.

I live in a quiet seaside village...but recently a new BIG social housing estate was built here. People would not believe the goings on in this estate. It was a real eye opener I can tell you. The kids run riot whilst the mothers on warm summer days drag the sofa's out onto the front lawn...and sit there all day drinking and laughing. The language is unbelievable....from both the parents and the children.
Dare I mention that few of these parents work...but all have cars, mobile phones, Sky TV...and all the trimmings.
No wonder there is not enough money left in the pot to give our old age pensioners a decent living.

Sorry ladies...I will get off my soap box now. te he he

Mum21 said...

Oh, and PS.

These parents don't believe in smacking their children either. The cannot be bothered. That is why most of them grow up to be hooligans and criminals.

There is a BIG difference in smacking a naughty child and beating them up.
I smacked my son when he was small...and it did him no harm. In fact it did him good. He has grown up into a fine, hardworking young man. One who loves and respects both me and his father.

Jojam said...

Mum21,

I understand, I think it's a big mistake to build BIG social housing estates..........far better to have smaller groups of mixed housing.

I have often wondered since visiting your poetry website, Do any of your ancestors originate from Harting?

Mum21 said...

Jojam. My husband has a cousin who lives in Harting.
Does that mean anything to you?

archer said...

Good morning all

Melbel re your 0937 post. Spot on!
Madeleine's case has highlighted many unsavoury aspects of our society. So many alleged 'professionals' voicing their opinions for their 5 minutes. Shame on them!

We must have faith that the majority of folk are decent and caring people who see the dreadful injustice in all of this.

As for Vile's, well that is a case of putting all the rotten eggs in one basket, they have infected each other and are quite putrid. They would do well to get out and see what is really going on in the world.

I have just seen on BBCNEWS 24
that Jane Tanner is up for interview first, by Leicestershire police and that the pj really really really are here and will be observing( at Endersby ).

I believe it will not be too long before Kate and Gerry are able to tell the world exactly what happened on the night Madeleine went missing.

Justice for Madeleine and her family.

Mum21 said...

Jojam...that is if you are talking about Harting village.

Sass said...

Hiya Archer

How you doing?

Let's hope you're right that the McCanns will be able to give their side of the story soon. The whole investigation has been ridiculous with the PJ able to fire their gobs off (how eloquently put) and the McCanns not able to defend themselves publicy.

Meanwhile the armchair detectives have been out and about with weird theories as to what happened while knowing nothing at all about anything. As I said on the DX - watching an episode of Murder She Wrote hardly qualifies you to "crack the case"!!!

Jojam said...

Mum21,

Yes, My Paternal step-Grandfather came from there & his family lived there.

Mum21 said...

Jojam,
What made you wonder if I was connected to Harting?

Jojam said...

Mum21,
Your surname..........same as my Grndfather.

Mum21 said...

Jojam,
Can you tell me your grandfather's first name?

Jojam said...

Should say Grandfather.......brain & fingers to far apart!!

Jojam said...

Mum21, Arthur......but Known as Pop or Art.

Mum21 said...

Jojam...I will ask my husband tonight...he will know if there is a connection. I know our surname is not a common one...so there is a good chance we are related.
Also all his family lived around that area and Midhurst.

archer said...

Sass

In reality, we of course no nothing much. Madeleine is still missing and it breaks my heart to think that the pj have decided not to continue looking for her. I, for one will be very interested to hear why this happened so soon.

As a mother/parent/relative, how on earth do you reconcile yourself to that?

Jojam said...

Mum21,
Yes not a common name. I am into Family History so just saw a possible conection.
My family on my mothers side come from cocking/Midhurst mainly sussex area, On my fathers side Sussex/ Hampshire Chichester, Portsmouth & Harting

Sorry this is all totally off the thread.

melbel said...

Hiya again Sass,Mum, Archer,Jojam, Kiwi and our 'Ell at the dentist.Great posts and I do not believe, for one moment,that the Pj,will be taking the lead, in the questioning and I am relieved about that.24 Horas and the Joana morais, person, seen to have a full itinerary of where PJ are staying and when they have lunch, so leaking to the last,if that true.
How could they complain,if there were leaks,from this side[which there will not be,imho]when they have carried on like this ?
Who is to take them seriously and how can they say that justice for this child,is paramount ?
If we are to believe the material reproduced on TWS [big if], the PJ will not be concerning themselves with some of the witnesses, put forward by the McCs.
Terrible indictment about the PJ, if so,but good for the investigation and for Madeleine, the greater role that our Police have in this matter.
Re Shannon,I do live in this big Yorkshire conurbation and agree with the Sunday Times article quote "The estate has been described privately,by criminal justice officials as one of the most deprived and dysfunctional in Britain. "
In these very deprived areas, people tend not to pull together,as can be idealised,in the press.
I am also not the type of person to bang on about people on benefits,but take exception to a poster on TWS,saying that Felicity did her site,on an unpaid basis.
I would give a running guess, that we, the taxpayer, are funding this and yes,I do resent it, as I regard it as a harmful place and would be concerned,if I could be bothered about the mental health of her posters.
I read back at Diane's very good post,last night and agree wholeheartedly.
I would rather trust and support people accused,but not charged or found guilty and if wrong,I can live with that.
Do unto others ,as you would want done to yourself.
We have risen above the swamp[most of us]because we hand to society the right to accuse and try and find guilty or otherwise.Best to keep emotion out of other people's business.
I believe in the innocence of this couple,because what they have said and done,has had the ring of truth about it from day one.
They could not have done more to find their beloved daughter.

Special thoughts for Diane and her little one,who has a good and loving mum.xxx

Mum21 said...

Jojam..are you still living in this area? I was born and lived in Chichester. As you know...I now live about 7 miles out of Chichester. But I know Midhurst and Cocking very well.

I know it is off subject...but I know everyone will not mind. After all...we are all just waiting for news to emerge.

melbel said...

Hi
Go ahead, Jojam and Mum.
I am interested in family history, as well and many a strange coincidence happens,which is why, it is so addictive. x

Mum21 said...

Melbel...I also prefer to be on the side of innocent until proven guilty. I notice many on TW,s blog have asked how we can be sure of the McCann's innocence...and have requested many times that we give evidence of why we believe the abduction theory.
How can we give evidence...when there is none in the public domain. Not for abduction or otherwise.
I tend to believe most of what the McCann's and their friends have said about that night....and I will continue to believe this unless I can be shown evidence to prove I am wrong.
Unlike Viv and her gallant followers....I will not become judge, jury and hangman to any couple. Be it the McCann's or anyone else.
I have heard many of them state the McCann's owe us an apology. They owe us nothing...not even an explanation. We are nothing to do with this investigation...just ordinary layman. If they owe anyone an explanation...it is Madeleine.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Can you believe people actually post on the other blog, thanking the Vile one for giving good information. Do they not realise EVERYTHING posted there is UNSUBSTANTIATED. Can they not see she is manipulating the information and her posters to suit her own sick and very personal vendetta gainst the McCs.

Poor people are being played, I thought some would have a bit more savvy than that, obviously not.

Afternoon all, just popping in on Troll Patrol. Relieved for Gerry & Kate that the questioning has now actually commenced and hopefully it will be an end to their ordeal at the hands of this shower.

helenm said...

I'm back. 50 euros lighter but hey that's wht you pay these days for dentists to inflict pain on you!!! Must say though that it is cheaper than England. Had a route canal treatmet last Sept/October cost me 180 euros, in England I had been quoted £230!!.

Sassy, I suggest your friend with the daughter who eats so much and stays slim gets her checked at the doctors for WORMS!!!! (only joking, but don't you just hate those who are able to eat almost anything?)

Off soon to have coffee with a friend so will catch up later. (last one lasted 3 and half hours approx, do you think she's related to Goncalo Amaral?)

Jojam said...

Mum21,
No I have never lived in Midhurst......My Mother did & I have an Aunt & cousins there. I've lived in Sussex all my life........a little bit further east along the coast from you.

I am researching both mine & my husbands family history.........Both of us have strong Sussex Roots with a little Oxfordshire & Hampshire thrown in.

Melbel, Thanks......Yes it is addictive

isis said...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 705440.ece

archer said...

Mum

I concur.

Tinks

I am thinking along the lines of Vile's blog being a social experiment!!

If they would all stand back and take a hard look at what is happening I think they would genuinely be horrified at what they would see.

As I have said before, call me a mug if you like, but please, a mug with compassion.

archer said...

Isis Hi

the link is coming up as Error.

isis said...

From Times OnlineApril 8, 2008

Madeleine McCann's parents called back to Portugal
(PA)
Madeleine McCann went missing in the resort of Praia da Luz on May 3 last year
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Exclusive by David Brown
Madeleine McCann’s parents, family friends and other holiday-makers have been called back to Portugal to participate in a reconstruction of the night she disappeared, Times Online has learnt.

Detectives want to replicate the events at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz on the evening when Kate and Gerry McCann reported their eldest daughter had been abducted. They have asked dozens of people to attend the event after the completion of a series of interviews with key witnesses which started today.

The unprecedented reconstruction is planned for the middle of next month, shortly after the first anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance on May 3. Portuguese police have written to witnesses, asking them to cooperate by attending the event.

Mr and Mrs McCann have not been to the Algarve resort since they were made arguidos (official suspects) on September 7. Friends of the couple have indicated that they would refuse to voluntarily return unless they are formally cleared of any wrongdoing.


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The reconstruction would involve dozens of people who were in Praia da Luz from the early afternoon of May 3 until Madeleine was reported missing from her bedroom at 10pm.

Events on the ground would be compared with the timeline of evidence being compiled during interviews with more than 50 people which are being carried out by British police throughout this month.

Portuguese detectives hope the reconstruction will help them identify discrepancies in evidence and to pinpoint areas which need further investigation.

However, critics will see it as as a sign that the investigators have no idea what happened to Madeleine. Experts from Scotland Yard and Leicestershire Constabulary had advised Portuguese police to hold a reconstruction within weeks of Madeleine’s disappearance.

Seven British friends who were on holiday with the McCanns are being questioned by British police this week. The interviews at the headquarters of Leicestershire Constabulary are being watched by the chief Portuguese investigator, Paulo Rebelo, and two other senior detectives from the Polícia Judiciária.

Apparent inconsistencies in the previous statements of the “Tapas Seven” and the accounts of Mr and Mrs McCann have been identified by detectives. However, they have insisted that there are no differences and any minor discrepancies are to be expected in any set of recollections.

Mrs McCann, 40, and her 39-year-old husband, both doctors from Rothley, Leicestershire, claim that Madeleine was abducted by a stranger just days before her fourth birthday.

The couple were dining with friends at a tapas restaurant at the Ocean Club when the abductor allegedly forced up a window and snatched Madeleine from the ground-floor bedroom where she was sleeping with her twin brother and sister, Sean and Amelie, now aged two.

Interviews will also be carried out with other holidaymakers, Ocean Club staff, the nannies who looked after Madeleine on the day she disappeared, as well as the psychologist who helped Mrs McCann.

A spokeswoman for Leicestershire Constabulary said: “We will be co-ordinating the execution of the request for mutual legal assistance made by the Portuguese authorities.

“The Portuguese authorities have asked that the contents of the request and the way it is being executed be kept confidential so as not to prejudice their ongoing investigation.”

Mr and Mrs McCann will tomorrow travel to Brussels to lobby MEPs for better co-ordination between European countries when a child goes missing.

The couple last month visited the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) in Washington, United States, to learn about the Amber child abduction alert system as part of a television documentary to be broadcast on April 30.

Mr McCann wrote afterwards: “During our Washington visit we were also very encouraged to hear that, in NCMEC’s experience, the younger the child at the time of abduction the less likely that child will be seriously harmed.

“Such information makes us believe even more fervently, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, that Madeleine can be found safe and well.”


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Mum21 said...

Isis,
Thank you for that link. Very interesting...especially as the Times has a very good reputation for honest reporting.

Having read it...it seems to me the PJ still do not have the faintist idea what happened to Madeleine.
It also shows..in my honest opinion...that this weeks interviews are interviews only...and nothing concrete will emerge from them.
I did have to smile when I read the bit about the British police had suggested the PJ do a reconstruction way back in May last year.
They have not done bad....it has only taken them a year.:-)

helenm said...

To those of you who have the stomach for TWS read post at 12.16 from 2345 and follow up posts from Ginam and Claudia at 12.31

archer said...

Isis

Thanks for that.

calcite51 said...

Good morning, everyone.

Mum21, I hope you are prepared for an attack from the other blog after admitting you smacked your son when he was small. Diane only wrote that she THOUGHT of smacking her son and that was two days of verbal abuse.

Shannon case have not commented very much on this case apart from to say I was happy that Shannon was alive. Think there are reasons I have not commented: the British police did an excellent job in investigation the 'abduction'; Shannon's mom was not attacked (the other blog held her up as an example of how a mother of a kidnapped child should react).

Madeleine's case - it was just when I witnessed the hate and the jealousy towards Madeleine's parents that I commented and because I had a sick feeling the PJ's were not doing their investigating as they should be.

Mum21 said...

Calcite,
The other blog worries me not.
The day I take notice of people like Viv's followers...is the day I give up on computers.

Helen....I already read 2345's comment...and I just burst out laughing.
Not much else you can do really...is there?

Mum21 said...

Helen.
There is one thing that comes to mind that I could say....If 2345's mum had smacked her once in a while....she may just have grown up into a decent, sensible woman.

Jojam said...

Helenm,

Unbelievable.......2345 has totally lost it............I always thought this person may have OCD I'm now concerned he/she is out of control. IMO

melbel said...

Hi Mum
You have summed up my position very well.How could we possibly give "evidence " of an abduction and vice versa.?They owe us nothing, as we are just bystanders.
The emotions of some of those on tws, are way over the top and out of proportion to their involvement.Hence, to me, they have their own agendas, nothing to do with this case.
I agree with Tinks that those poor posters,are being played, as nothing over there, is substantiated and sourced.
I think that some posters,such as Vile and Irina, 2345, et,are skating close to the ice and they are in denial about the implications of the DE apology and damages.They are going way beyond commenting on articles,in the public domain and know that these articles,have been withdrawn and the DE group admitted that it was a pack of lies.
Vile cannot claim not to know what is libellous.
Alsa, at least had the sense to back off and she has withdrawn her nasty letter from her blog [when I last looked]to Madeleine's poor granny.A very wicked missive, that was.

Jojam said...

Isis,
Thanks for The Times article, If true it shows The PJ are still no further forward. It's a pity they never did a recontruction of events last year!

Rosiepops said...

BREAKING NEWS

(Sorry if a Repeat)

SKY NEWS

Kate and Gerry due to return to Portugal to take part in a reconstruction of the noght Madeleleine went missing!

see you later.

calcite51 said...

HelenM - went and read the other blog - what a bunch of sickos. 2345 is just plain weird, Clawdia is a bitter, twisted woman who has a secret (she knows what happened to Alsabella but oh, this woman (Clawdia) who is so RUDE AND IGNORANT to others who do not share the same opinion has too much respect for Alsa to tell anyone what is going on. Sick, sick, sick.

As for the DNA evidence, if the PJ's had as much evidence as the other blog implies they do against Madeleine's parents, the parents would have been arrested.

Poor Daisy is really being attacked and I think her posts are being deleted.

When did 24Horas become a worthy newspaper? Never was, never will be - hope Mr. Mitchell goes after this poor excuse of a tabloid NOW. 24 horas, an ex-PJ who wrote a book while he was implicated in another abduction trial, Alsabella who wanted to let the world know how unfair the PJ's were being portrayed in this case - now Clawdia has taken up the torch.

Mum21 said...

Jojam. How can you have a reconstruction one year after the event? How stupid is that?
But then nothing regarding the PJ surprises me.
Like the leaks to 24 Horas today...they were a joke.
This is the UK..not Portugal. The interviews will be done British police style.

melbel said...

Isis
If on line, thank you sincerely, for your good wishes re my lovely little grand daughter. x
Seanathair agus seanmhathair[cannot find key, sorry]will be having our annual cruise up the Mersey next week,[husband sure knows how to treat a gal !]to his auld country.
We ,or should I say,he, will be on the bog [turf ],not the blog, in the wild west.
If You see an ageing couple, the husband toiling away and the bespectacled wife, a mouthpiece only,you will know it is us and come over for an cupan tae.[ish]
Regards x

melbel said...

Calcite, very well said.The only thing that comforts me, is that if what is happening, is so obvious to us, concerned readers, only, the people who can really get a grip on this and influence things, including our politicians,must be chewing at the bit.
I believe that many good journalists, have stuff prepared, round the world and are waiting the word, so they can let rip,about the shameful,unjust things that have happened here.The day of reckoning will come and it will rock Portugal.

Jojam said...

Mum21,

I agree a recronstruction needed to be done in the first few weeks after Madeleine went missing.....not a year later.

Must go now have spent far to long online today........of to do shopping/iorning etc.........Have a Good Afternoon All

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Rosie,

Thanks for the news, hope all is well.

I'm absolutely speechless, how on earth can you have a reconstruction 1 year after the event.

Why dont they send them a copy of the McCanns crimewatch episode that was filmed over here, for what good its worth now. Just how much longer are they going to drag this sad excuse for an investigation out.

See you all later everyone.

calcite51 said...

Melbel - it is amazing to me that we are coming up to a year and still Clawdia states that the world will soon know how wonderful the PJ's are and what a great job they did (Hogwash is what I say).

Are we going to be bombarded by all involved PJ's writing books to clear their reputations?

melbel said...

Hi again
2345's rantings,are of a deluded madwoman/man and interesting that Nancy and Lizzy, who I have always regarded as extreme, back her.
An anon,one evening, posted 2345, that this must have been the biggest thing, that ever happened in 2345's life, as she is so brimming with self importance.
I would be more sympathetic than this to a deluded person, who has become quite unhinged, with this[like notdoc and vile],but this person is spreading wicked lies and rumour, to hurt and damage grieving parents.She and they need stopping and I bet Clarence.is on to this. Blogbosses,beware.

melbel said...

Yes, the crime reconstruction, after a year, what is all that about ?
How can it jog memories,after this time?
Why was it not done, much earlier?The
McCs and friends,hung round for a long time, until pushed out, by the turning against them,by the local Portugese.
They went home, with full agreement of the relevant authorities in Portugal.
I would not go back,unless they have guarantees, re their safety and for all we know, these could have been given.
I would not trust this lot, as far as I could throw them, based on the injustices we have seen.Did you get this Claw ?

Mum21 said...

I am off for awhile now.
Enjoy your afternoon Ladies.
See you all later

calcite51 said...

A reconstruction a year later? I would be more interested in an independent review of how the PJ's handled this case and how the PJ's could improve.

Christabel said...

Hi Melbel and all,

Who was it says pigs can't fly ?
4 of them flew yesterday didn't they ?

Melbel hope the baby is well and mom of course.
I am not from Scotland by the way lol.
Will answer your email I hadn't noticed had come sorry about that.

melbel said...

Hiya Christabel
Daughter and grandaughter,doing great. A bit weepy, today,but milk coming through, so only to be expected.Thanks again.
How are you ?No worries.I feel that our Police must be in the driving seat now, which gives me a bit of hope.
If these witnesses, put forward by the McCs, have alerted Police, before and not been interviewed, it will be damning for for the PJ. They cannot just sweep away witnesses and sightings,because it does not fit in with the chosen theory.x
Calcite,agreed. There should be an urgent review and people should be willing to put their hands up and take responsibility, for what has happened here.
I am a person, slow to anger [mainly] but what has happened here, has fallen far short of humane treatment for suspects.x

chinadoll said...

The BBC, have a different slant about the reported request for family and friends to return to Portugal

...................................

McCanns asked to revisit Portugal

Kate and Gerry McCann have not so far agreed to a reconstruction
Madeleine McCann's parents have been asked by Portuguese police to take part in a reconstruction of the night their daughter went missing a year ago.

It comes after UK police began re-interviewing seven friends of Gerry and Kate McCann who were with them on the night of her disappearance.

The couple's lawyers are considering the reconstruction request.

Madeleine, of Rothley, Leicestershire, disappeared from a holiday apartment in the Algarve on 3 May last year.

'Continuing discussions'

Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns' spokesman, has said the couple will not return to Portugal for the anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance if they remain arguidos, or formal suspects.

Kate and Gerry would very much welcome a Crimewatch-style reconstruction

Clarence Mitchell
McCanns' spokesman

The couple have always denied any wrongdoing.

On the request for a reconstruction Mr Mitchell said: "Any requests made by Portuguese police via Kate and Gerry's lawyers are covered by Portuguese judicial secrecy and as a result I am not at liberty to discuss any details of any such proposals.

"However, Kate and Gerry would very much welcome a Crimewatch-style reconstruction which is properly broadcast for millions of people to see and could generate important new leads and fresh information.

"It's untrue to say that Kate and Gerry have been called back or summoned back.

"Their lawyers are very much continuing discussions with the Portuguese police and if any such decision is taken to take part, an announcement will be made at the appropriate time."

chinadoll said...

Hi everyone,

I cannot stay long, but would like to make the following observation about this latest pj request.

Surely the pj cannot expect the family, friends & others to actually participate in a televised reconstruction of the night of 3rd May. If this is to be done, it should be done by proper actors, as is successfully done here by the BBC Crimewatch programme.

How can anyone with any understanding of human emotions, expect these people to have to relive the night of 3rd May, infront of the world. Can you imagine the fodder that would give to the internet scum out there - they would be picking over every minute detail - how they looked, their expressions, etc etc etc.

Yes, a Crimewatch style programme with proper actors - this family and all involved have been put through enough damned agony because of this incompetent investigation, without subjecting them to more.

melbel said...

Hi China
Thanks for putting BBC details up, which I have rather ineptly, not managed to get ,myself.
Yes, it is a different emphasis and it is all in he interpretation,put on words,a lot of the time.
Of course, with the secrecy laws, the arguidos are not free to speak and their lawyers need to consider.
I had hoped that this drip, drip,daily leaking would not go on,the pattern being of leaks and Clarence forced to comment.
Our Crimewatch always uses actors.Hopefully, they mean a videod reconstruction,not open to the world or the greedy beggars, over there, who have ghoulishly made money from their films and books.
Will catch up later,if you have gone and you take care. x

Sass said...

Hiya

Just on paTROLL. Hope everyone is fine. Nice to see Isis again!

Helen - the little girl is 11 going on 12 going on about 25! I swear she grows a foot a week!

Mum21 - who cares about going off topic. When I talked about dogs for ages, Diane summed it up perfectly. "Who cares if you're off topic - it's not a classroom!!!" Very well said!

Melbel - So it's ferry across the Mersey, is it? Have a great time when you get there. Will you have Internet access?

China - agree that a reconstruction one year later with the McCanns is ridiculous. Why should they relive the most traumatic event of their lives for a reconstruction which really can't do any good, so much after the event.

Tinks & Rosie - Hope you are both well and everything is going your way!

Calcite - A review into the investigation would certainly be more useful in my opinion too. That way they could maybe avoid the need for pointless reconstructions nearly a year after a crime!

Christabel - be nice young lady or it's smacked wrists for you. Wait no! Can't mention such violence! It's slightly told off wrists for you!

Hiya to anyone nice (that means members of this blog - not noseaches from Viles) I missed who is around!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Sass,

Can you believe 1 year on and they need to do a reconstruction. I mean, I know they are behind the times, but thats taking the mick.

IMO,they have had nearly 12 months to do this, when all memories were fresh. Personally I dont see why Gerry and Kate should have to relive their ordeal when its quite obvious, imo, 12 months on the investigation has gone no further forward from when it started, if it ever started! Shambolic.

melbel said...

Hi Sass and Tinks
Good on you mods. I am full of admiration, that you both work full time and manage this,unlike Mellybelly, who is one of those pensionerkids!
It is not, as if the PJ,seem to be taking many of these witnesses seriously and seemingly didn't, the first time around,from what we read.Our Police are allegedly to interview them.
If so, I could have understood why they would need to stage a very complex reconstruction.The question is, why leave it so long, if you have known about these witnesses ?
If the hope is to raise awareness, around the anniversary, why should it not be actors ?
Kate is said to be fairly reclusive.Do they want to break her altogether ?I would hazard a guess, that they would, on past form.
A very big thank you that our Police are involved. For that,I am grateful and do not believe that they will allow dirty tricks.
Meant to say, Sass, that in a week, we are going to a very remote spot and have no phone,or computer access.We have TV and radio.
Give you all a rest !x

melbel said...

Sass
A bit off topic,but the other grandparents, may want to use the house,when we are away.I could do with a squadron of cleaners, if so, to hide my tracks.
My household tip of the day, taken from the Guardian[so it must be right, tee hee ],is that after two years of not cleaning the cooker, it does not get any worse.x

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Melbel,

I think that has been their plan all along to try and break Kate and when it didn't work they used the media to apply the 3rd degree.

Unfortunately, this time they picked on the wrong parents. I have a feeling they are not used to people fighting back, well they had better get used to it, because Kate and Gerry aren't going away and neither are we.

Sass said...

Hiya Mellybelly

Thanks for that. Pressing the delete button on the trolls is exceedingly satsifying! We don't get that many now though, touch wood. If we did and none of us could moderate we would just go into "members only mode" now. That was the reason for trying it out before. Now everyone has invitations and has replied it can be done in a couple of seconds!

So you're going back to nature are ya? Hairy legs and armpits and rainbow jumpers! Have a great time.

The Guardian cleaning tip is one I can live with (and one a certain someone - when looking at a certain photo on the internet - is actively trying out!).

xxx

Sass said...

Tinks

I agree. I bet they were totally surprised that the McCanns didn't just take all the junk!

xxx

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Sass,

I was only popping in on Troll Patrol but you know what its like, gotta av your tuppence worth aint ya.

Just tidying my desk and will be off in about 10, so I'll catch you later.

Big Match tonight, which reminds me, anyone spot a slug on the sidewalk ?

Byeeeee x

isis said...

Melbel, just read your post re your mersey trip, hope you are enjoying your little grandchild,they are so tiny. Tinkerbell if you are reading how are the nerves doing ?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Isis,

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N t oo g o
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:0)

isis said...

MMMMeeeee ttoooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rosiepops said...

Afternoon everyone, I have just read myself being libelled on the vile one's blog by Mrs Consecutive Numbers (who else?).

This woman is comepletely barking
mad bunny boiler!

I have given you the link to her post it is post 12.16.

Click Here For Barking Mad Bunny Boiler's Post

Rosiepops said...

Tinks

No I haven't seen any sidewalk slug, but I did put down some pellets for the slimy sucker!

helenm said...

Tinks,

Is it on terrestial tv or sky?

helenm said...

Rosiepops,

I posted this earlier about 2345 but not thelink. Best thing is that Lizzy is congratulating her on a great post!! and agrees with evrything she says.

Rosiepops said...

China Re post 14.50

Absolutely spot on. Why would the PJ even think of putting these parents through this hell all over again? They are behaving more like nincompoops everyday!

The British police advised the Pj to so this reconstruction immediately, but as usual anything sensible was ignored because of the over inflated egos of the PJ.

I hope this is done by actors, there is nothing to be gained from the parents doing this and you are right China it would be picked over by every armchair psychologist and every complete nasty venomous minded nutjob like Viv, the vultures are probably already circulating.

However, the McCann's fortunately have a good team of lawyers and they would probably advise them against such a traumatic event.

With regard to the reconstruction itself, what I think this shows quite categorically that the PJ now fully believe that Madeleine was abducted, or why else would they hold a reconstruction?

I also wonder if the PJ will put their wonder witness in *the waiter?* The best witness the PJ have is a witness not for what he has seen but for what he has NOT seen.
Just about sums the bungling PJ Keystone Kops up really doesn't it?

All in my opinion of course.

Christabel said...

Shannon-McCann fund link probed

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/7336803.stm

Is this why they slated the McCanns on TV.

Rosiepops said...

Helen

Lizzy is nothing short of a village idiot, personally I feel sorry for her she is such a dolt, you couldn't even call her a pleasant enough dolt as she is just a clueless nasty narrow minded one and I bet it is not for the first time she has been called a thick head either.

Mandz said...

I agree what good would a reconstruction be…NOW? Did they not do one anyway? I seem to remember BBC Crimewatch offered to do this however they… wait for it…..DECLINED.. I thought they did their own “version”.

I think this is an attempt to make it look like they are “doing something” etc. As China has said it would be wrong to ask these people to go back. It would be heartbreaking for all of them. They should get actors/actresses in to play the part.

melbel said...

Hiya all
Just looking at a 2345 post, where Paulo Sargento,criminal psychologist, stated that an abduction was impossible.He laments that Portugal,"will come out of it really badly, as the National head of the PJ,publicly admitted, that there was "hastiness ", in giving the Mccann couple,arguido status and that consequently, the Justice Minister, assured that there were to be no resignations ."
That is all that seems to matter, to some of the Portugese posters.
Stuff the truth.
Well, sorry to inform you, but you are stuffed already,in my book.Your standards have been shown to be woefully behind and the world knows it.
You have been libelled by a barmpot, Rosie, who is the laughing stock of many a blog.I am a caring person, but care not a jot for the feelings of people, who sadistically hurt others.
I have been wondering why the standards of comedy writing,on BBC,have gone down.
Looking at LGC's efforts, I can see why.Could do with a few tips, I think.

helenm said...

Doppleganger,

How do you suppose that a 'reconstruction' at this late stage would help? Why oh why have the celebrated PJ not asked for this before? I'll tell you why, they are trying to save face before they admit that they have no evidence against the Mccann's.

Why would it need the Mccann's personally to return? In England, considered a civilised country, the police would not expect those involved to take part in a reconstruction. In England they would be treated with compassion not using bullying tactics. Very clever? I have seen no evidence of that so far Have you?

Tinkerbell43 said...

The PJ imo, are just trying to drag a bad investigation out. Its too little too late, imo they let the McCs down 11 months ago, they refused them this reconstruction when it was fresh in everybodys minds. Thats when the recontruction counted and why the McCanns REQUESTED it, because they had nothing to hide and people memories would have been much clearer then they are now.

If I was Gerry or Kate there is no way I would return, they dont have to prove anything to any sane minded person.

helenm said...

Tinks,

Good luck to your team tonight. I will be rooting for them, a I said before the lesser of two evils!!LOL

helenm said...

Sorry folks, that should read Britain, not England.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Helen,

Dont bother with him, he is a wind up merchant.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Thanks Helen,

Its on terrestrial btw. So I'll only be popping in and out for the next 90 mins.

helenm said...

Tinks,
Yes I know he is, but as Sassy calls me that!!! from one to another!!

I'm going to watch it as well. See you half time.

Just noted previous posts that my typewriter can't seem to spell today. I put route canal instead of ROOT.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Well Helen, my fellow pro, I trust you will be rooting for the Pool!

Mandz said...

The PJ are very, very intelligent people.

They know that if the McCann's refuse to return to Portugal to help establish what happened on the night Madeleine disappeared - the whole world will think they have something to hide.

Innocent people have nothing to fear from the truth.

********************************
Dadto3...
Bumbling buffoons comes to mind – intelligence not in my opinion.

You know the McCann’s left Portugal with the PJ consent and they have since offered to be interviewed here in Britain whilst the PJ are here however the PJ are not bothering to do so. I’m looking forward to the suspect status being lifted soon. Tis innocent couple have been put through enough and fingers crossed the witch hunt will stop.

Tinkerbell43 said...

No you dont just ask questions Doppel, you know exactly what you do. You had to have a little pop about how many posts Vile has, well good, go and add a few thousand more.

Mandz said...

Hi All,

On the news channel 4 (Shannon case) said the Maddie Fund was approached for money.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hey Mandz,

Yes I saw it on the ITV news bulletin. I'm not sure whether I understood right, but the inference being it was a family member too!

Christabel said...

Hi Tinks and Mandz,

Am I glad my son and daughter are seperated by miles and miles tonight.
My son supports Liverpool and daughter Arsenal.
Bet they are on the phone to each other while the match is on. lol.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Christabel,

You'll have to forgive me, I've one eye on the match and one eye on here.

Hope you are well.

Christabel said...

Do you know I just had a dream, and guess who I thought had posted doppledad, thank god I woke up and it was only a dream.
He's in and out like Assassin ?

Mandz said...

Dadto3

Well take them to Court with ALL these boxes and boxes of evidence and use the fact that they declined the oh so very important questions?? Oh that is right the Judge said re: the boxes and boxes and boxes of evidence.. PJ you have nothing and will need more than THAT.

No I don’t think people will think (guilt) I believe people now know what is going on here. Tourist Money comes first. We are now approaching a year and still three suspects however this will be dropped soon due to not having anything on the McCanns.

Have a good evening and stay away from Vile site not good for your health!
Child abductors will love VILE SITE..

Christabel said...

Hi Tinks,
I'm in and out packing and getting ready for tomorrow.
Who do you support ?

Mandz said...

Liverpool and Arsenal. I like them both!!

Tinks
Yes it appears that family (shannon) approached the Maddie Fund for money.

isis said...

TINKERBELLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Tinkerbell43 said...

Well said Mandz! Too right people know what is going on here!

Sod it, we're 1- 0 down :-(

melbel said...

Good luck Tinks.I support these reds, too, on account of my family history.
Glad you got rid of that creep.

melbel said...

Hi Mandz
It will be a wonder if the McCs don't get the blame for that too,ie the claim about them contacting the Madeleine fund.

Mandz said...

Hi Melbel,

Yip you are right they will get the blame...!

Mandz said...

Right going off for a bit as no one on........!!!! Jane where are YOU?!


*********Justice for maddie********

Tinkerbell43 said...

Isis

YIIPPPPeeeeeee Get in there!!!!!

isis said...

steven gerard gerard, he can hit them from forty yards, hes better than frank lampard steven gerard gerard!!! get em in !!!!!!!!!!

melbel said...

mandz
DE are having your say on Mccann reconstruction. I got a quickie in.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hey Sammy Sammy, Sammy Sammy Sammy Sammy Hypiaaaa!!!

isis said...

Tinkerbell, tell me its under control pleeeeeeeseeeeee !!!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Blimey, I'm exhausted, its just like watching an England game!

Half time 1-1

Sass said...

Hiya

How you all doing! Tinks agree with your reply to me earlier - had to run cos I had evening class.

Is there anything new? The PJ asking intelligent questions and finally doing what they should have done 11 months ago?

Rosiepops said...

BREAKING NEWS

SKY NEWS

Karen Matthews charged with perverting the course fo justice and child neglect.

Sorry if this is a repeat.

Sass said...

You all been talking about putting a spherical air-filled thingy into a net thingy and yelling "yeah!". (my definition of footie!)

isis said...

sassy, it is a religion !!!

Sass said...

Thanks Rosie

Just had a read! The article isn't finished yet - there is more to come.

Sass said...

Isis

I'm disappointed in you! It's the only game I hate playing and hate watching!

isis said...

sassy, i repeat it is a religion !! It is the ONLY game !!

Christabel said...

Hi Rosie and Sass,

Thanks for the link Rosie.
I must start watching Shameless lol !

Sass said...

Isis

I'm going to have to start lighting candles for you when you come out with stuff like that!

Hiya Chris

How are ya? You watching men kicking a bally thing into a netty thing then jumping on each other?

JANEGT said...

good evenng

just popping on to say I won't be on tonight, things on....

catch you maybe tomorrow or if not next day.....

hope you all well.....
take care now
;o)))

Sass said...

Jane

Have a nice time wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more!

isis said...

TINKERBELLLLLLLLLLLLLLL !!!!!!!

Sass said...

Jane

You're missing nothing cos they're all watching football and they have been hypnotised into being a load of boring botty raspberries!

Can I come with you Jane???

isis said...

sorry sass... waaaaayyyyy to late for that !!! If tinkerbell isnt on its because she cant type due to lack of nails !!

Christabel said...

Hiya Sass and Jane and bye Jane see you next week.

Sass you have got to be joking, I'd rather watch paint dry lol.

Sass said...

Isis - LOL. If it were me watching I'd not be able to type back for lack of consciousness (and I don't mean I'd have passed out with the excitement of it!)

Christabel - I went to a colleague's house once and the whole family were golf fanatics. When I got there I was told to sit down and watch golf with his wife, which I did. That was "fun". Then they took me out on a tour of the local golf greens. By then it was evening and I couldn't wait to go to sleep - I was so BORED.

The next day we watched golf again and then when the boys came home from boarding school we watched the videos of the golf games we had already watched so the kids could watch the games, too.

Later on in the afternoon (I was almost comatose with boredom by this time) I was given the choice - either go fruit picking with the mum to the dad's mother or watch the boys play golf. Naturally I chose fruit picking. When I got there this woman was miles up in a tree on a ladder and my colleague's wife told her to come down as I would go up there because I was younger. I am terrified of ladders, but because I felt bad about refusing all sorts of golfing offers, up I went. I spent the rest of the daylight hours holding on tight to a ladder, eyes shut, lobbing cherries into a bucket.

The next day there was a golf contest and I was allowed to go home! Can you imagine inviting someone to your house for one full day and two halves and offering them that programme!!!!

Tinkerbell43 said...

ISISSSSS, I CAN'T WATCH

POST ME

Sass said...

See ya Isis and Christabel. Say hi and bye to the boring old bottie raspberries when they re-emerge from Grandstand!

Christabel said...

Nite and Bless Sass xx

I will pop on in the morning before we go.
I have tried both my daughters and sons phones, engaged, they will be watching and talking footie lol.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Get in there!!!!!!!!

4-2 I dont know what all the fuss was about!

Christabel said...

Tinks,
sass asked me to say bye to the boring old raspberry's.

Bye Tinks lol.

chinadoll said...

Evening Everyone,

What a strange day.

On the very day members of the tapas group are to be questioned in the presence of the pj - the pj release/leak an open statement inviting the McCanns & Co., to Portugal for a reconstruction.

Surely the pj should be concentrating on what they are here for ie the interviews - of up to 50 people, in all, I hear. What if the interviews flag up some leads about the abductor. Surely the outcome of these questions should be the priority.
I find it very suspect that this invitation has been issued today.

The pj, it would seem, are playing mind games with the McCanns and I give up hope of them ever approaching this case in an unbiased manner.

I would not like to see the McCanns take this bait - which I feel they will not. The invitation is designed to raise questions about why they will not return voluntarily...........stitch up ring a bell?

If I were Kate and or Gerry, I would start singing like a canary about all the underhand tactics/leaks and unprofessional behaviour associated with this investigation. I would be shouting from the rooftops and let the world know the truth of this disgraceful investigation.

Let the pj then issue a warrant for extradition on the grounds of the McCanns breaking their secrecy laws.

Pj - a Pathetic Joke (in this instance)

helenm said...

Congrats Isis and Tinks, that was close. My son really wanted Arsenal to win, he said it would make a better final!!!!LOL

Shouldn't count our chickens before they hatch!

Christabel said...

Hi China,
long time no see !

Your post says it all, I loved the stitch up and the Pathetic Joke lol.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hey Christabel,

Thanks for passing the message on, where's the lightweight gone then, lol.

Are you off too now, if so have a lovely break, speak soon!

helenm said...

Tinks,

3 -2

Only 4 - 2 on aggregate.

chinadoll said...

Hi Chris,

I was here earlier today - you must have missed me lol

helenm said...

Where's Jane and Christabel going?

Christabel said...

Tinks
I think she was dropping off again.
My son will be pleased, daughter not lol.
I bet he's gloating to her by phone now and poor old Di, will be deaf tonight.

helenm said...

Melbel,

Are you back from DX yet?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Helen,

Thanks! Tell your son I'm sorry, Not :0)

chinadoll said...

Jane,

Sorry I missed you. Hope you are having a relaxed evening at home with friends and taking advantage of the peace, whilst the kids are off camping.

Catch you soon

Christabel said...

Helen,
can't say secrecy laws an all that you know lol.

No Helen off to the caravan for a week with my barmy sister lol.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Helen,

You've confused me now, 4-2 on the night, 5-3 on aggregate ?

helenm said...

Have a good one Christabel. She can't be any more barmy than this lot!!!LOL

Chinadoll, I think that's exactly what Jaen's doing, taking advantage!!lol

Christabel said...

China,
I am sorry I didn't read back posts.

archer said...

Good evening all

Plug has just been pulled on the DE

Not before some very good posts from members here were published.

I think Doppleganger just got in too.

Well done Mandz and Melbel.

Christabel said...

Helen,
you wouldn't want to bet on that, would she Tinks ?
Tinks has seen the photo's of us pair lol.

helenm said...

Sorry Tinks, last time I was able to see it they had just taken penalty. Did they get another one?

I have not been able to see much TV this evening because when it rains in the Algarve the TV goes off!!! I'm sat here with a candle at the ready waiting for the electric to blow!!

isis said...

Tinkebeating chelsea twice in the semis and coming back from 3 nil down in istanbul in 2005 !! My nerves are in tatters , thanks melbel!! Ha ha chelsea again in the semis , this is getting funny. CHAMPAGNE TINKERBELL??????????rbell, that was better than

helenm said...

Archer did you not see mine? Admitted it was under another name. One that I used in Portugal last year.

Tinkerbell43 said...

No Chris I wouldn't ;0)

Helen, they're like the terrible twins!

chinadoll said...

Good article from the Daily Telegraph. The pj declined an offer from the world renowned BBC Crimewatch team, to do a reconstruction, nearly a year ago. Seems like the pj would like to do their own reconstruction now, with the actual parties in the lead roll. Probably the pj's idea of a Portuguese 'Spitting Image' where they can control, edit, leak and take the piss out of this family imdo

............................

read full article

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hey Isis, cheers, I'll have a top up if you dont mind :0)

Helen, Babbel scored in extra time.

archer said...

Hi Helen

I was thinking that at anytime the plug was going to be pulled..I did obviously take in the sympathetic ones...I can guess!!

I managed one too.

Hope the dentist went ok!

dianeh said...

Hi Everyone

No self respecting police force would expect the McCanns to appear on camera, so I would hope that this is not what is being asked.

But as for taking part in a reconstruction. I doubt there is anything that Gerry & Kate would need to contribute that couldnt be done via a video link. After all, there should be stand ins doing the actual walking, sitting etc. I wonder what the PJ would say if the G & K offered that type of support, particlularly if only being used for internal uses.

Actually the whole thing is a gross waste of time and if flying loads of people in to do it, also gross waste of money.

Should have been done immediately, and maybe then reviewed prior to G & K leaving Portugal.

isis said...

Tinks, none left !! What a game . I feel as if i have played it. Rollercoaster of emotions , 3 men in the house , 3 arsenal goals , 3 sets of remote controls bust !!!

melbel said...

Hi again
Good result, the Pool.Husband bans me, as I sit chanting repetitively "They are going to get one. They are going to get one," ie the opposition.
It drives him really mad and he is tolerant, but not about football. !
DE was soon pulled, wasn't it ?I still cannot understand why they do it ?I wish someone with a bit of media savvy could tell me the answer.

helenm said...

Yesthanks, Archer. Only check up and scale and polish. Only the scale and polish sounded and felt like she was sand blasting Blackpool Tower!!!

helenm said...

Melbel, obviously not paid enough in damages.

helenm said...

On ITV news at ten, about reconstruction

archer said...

Diane

That was my point just now on the DE.

Why oh why wasn't this done months and months ago?

What on earth could this achieve now? Nothing really, so why do the PJ want them out there???

dianeh said...

China

I had already read that article, and it is a good one.

Whole reconstruction thing is too little, too late.

And the request by PJ is even being broadcast on our news here. We had Martin's broadcast on Skynews here as well but the local stations are also talking. And noticebly saying that Kate & Gerry say that a reconcstruction should have been done last year. Once again, PJ not coming off in such a good light, are they?

I particularly liked Martin's comment (paraphrased only) that the PJ have been criticised over their handling of the case. I think that may turn out to be an understatement.

dianeh said...

Archer,

We have an ongoing case for Danial Morcambe (Spelling) who went missing on the Sunshine coast a few years ago, when he was only 13. Was taken while waiting for a bus to go and buy his dad a father's day present.

Each year on the anniversary, the police set up a dummy of a boy dressed as he was, at the busstop to raise awareness again. They dont do a reconstruction with the family.

The reconstruction for Daniel was done very quickly and publicised heavily and from that the police know there was a car with two men parked near the bus stop and Daniel was waiting for the bus. The next sighting of the bus stop both the car and boy were gone.

Sadly, Daniel has never been found but at least his parents knew that everyone was looking for him.

Way too late for a reconstruction now.

isis said...

melbel, to be honest,and i didnt post a comment, i dont know why the DE bother putting articles on line when they know the comments that are going to be posted.

dianeh said...

Archer

PJ dont want McCanns there, in my opinion. They just want to add suspicion on them by making out they are refusing to co-operate. Hasnt this already been said on the Vile blog, the refusing to co-operate part I mean?

Just spin (I hate that word) from PJ, I think.

Wait until the interviews are finished before deciding if anything else can be done. After all, if statements are OK,then they dont even need the McCanns for the recreation. And how the hell would any of them remember the absolute little details so long after the event.

As the Tapas group were all normal people on holidays, its a wonder that they can come up with a time line at all. I never check my watch while on holidays, and I was on hols in Feb and cant hardly remember what I did on what day, let alone down to 10 minute blocks. Whole thing is just ridiculous.

helenm said...

If PJ are thinking about reconstruction towards middle of May (hopefully this year) it could possibly be damage limitation. Extend it a few more months untl the tourist trade is secure, then shelve the case hoping that tourist will have forgotten in time for next years season.

melbel said...

Hi China,Helen ,archer [well done you] and anyone I did not already greet.
You are right and this sounds like a mind game and an attempt to stitch up the mcCanns big time.
A bit b.....dy late, to say they need them back to get the timelines sorted.I would not trust this lot,as far as I could throw them.Everything sounds like a ploy, to save face.They would be mad to go back, before seeing any alleged evidence against them and before release of their arguido status.
The Portugese must not think that they can outfox their legal team.It is no wonder they have the best extradition lawyers.
I was cross about Pinochet getting off, but lawyers put the best case, don't they and you need the best!
THank goodness that with being in the EEC, there are some common standards and institutions.
If dirty tricks are played at Portugese end, they should fear for their tourist industry, as they aint seen nothing yet.
Thanks for article and link,China.

archer said...

Diane

That's dreadful. I hadn't heard of that case before. But for the parents to know that everything that could be possibly done, was, is a different matter altogethor.

I am curious to understand how a re-construction now could do much. The mere fact that it is a holiday resort with unscheduled time movements of people would make it very difficult to plot.

What has being questioned, in particular is the timings of it all! You tell me, when you are on holiday could you reconstruct one day from the next?. I know I couldn't.

Rosiepops said...

Doppelganger

We do not need you or your help with this blog thanks. you are such a stirrer, all you ever do is stir, you only make comments you know are going to stir and you try pitting people against each other by complimenting one person and ignoring another, stupid idiot.

Go and blog on your friends Arsebliar's blog, oops forgot she had to close it down - in a hurry, wonder why?

Who will be next?

I tell you what seeing as you want to make comments on how many people are posting on Viles, why not open a blog yourself and see how many people can be bothered to post on yours?

What is that saying?

"People that can't, criticize others?" (That's you isn't it? daddynomates)

archer said...

Sorry Diane

I am so slow at getting posts done, I had answered you before you asked????? If you know what I mean.. lol

melbel said...

Hi Isis
it doesn't make sense, to keep dipping their toe in like this. What do I know,but they cannot be sampling opinion, as it is the usual people from each side, who post.
I have worn my little fingers out, for what ?
Don't forget to come for a cuppa in the wild west.
I am more of a liability,but my husband tries to help an elderly relative. x

chinadoll said...

Hi Melbel,

Just got off the phone - I agree, this is all a big game to the pj a game of cat and mouse.

What they have not realised - yet, is that they are the mouse lol.

I hear you have been busy of the DX forum - good for you girl.

chinadoll said...

Rosiepops,

'Daddy no mates' sums that plonker right up.

I see he was here earlier - no doubt doing his usual stirring.
Doppleganger only appears when Dope wants a Grope or a jollie, something he does not experience much in real life.

archer said...

Melbel - Hi

Don't you think it's rather interesting that this has come about now? This offer of a re-construction! I do!!!

Now, if I were not so cynical on this matter I would be thinking that the pj had an ulterior motive for this offer.

Once the arguido status has been dropped then discuss the matter. With actors appearing - of course. course.

Rosiepops said...

Sometimes I think the DX do this to test the water.
I think they had all these people visiting their HYS pages when they had Madeleine as a story each day, so they were able to sell advertising as a result of it and now they do not have anywhere near the amount of browsers to their HYS forums so cannot sell advertising space on it.

It is all about money.

melbel said...

Hi China
Archer and Mandz were over there, too.
I just hope that serious investigative journalists are cracking on with exposing what is going on here.They could have a field day.
Someone is still leaking too. 24 horas and Guardian were given a full itinerary of PJ movements and where staying.
I agree with you that maybe the couple and friends should sing like canaries.let us face it.Everyone else does.

melbel said...

Hi Rosie
Dimwit that I am and one who forgets to check her lottery tickets [ must be a happy bunny ], I never thought about money and advertising revenue.After all, the dE never had it so good. My husband used to get annoyed at the cookies[hopefully not those dreaded trojans and warriors, too]coming into our computer.

chinadoll said...

Melbel,

Damn, I missed it.

Did Rotheymerely turn up for her long winded tuppence worth. I would give odds on that she did?

melbel said...

Hope I did not pick any more cookies up, as that post was left in suspended animation, too,before it went .
Never mind, I will have a cognac and bickie instead.

chinadoll said...

Mum21 and Jojam,

I cannot wait for the next episode.

Please keep us all posted.

dianeh said...

Melbel

According to 'some' (who I shant name in case I get sued for libel, actually, it hurts my fingers to type their names) the leaks came from the Leic police. I can just see someone from Leic police ringing up a journalist working for 24 rags, 'hello, anyone speak english?' and being passed around the office until they find someone.

I think we all know where the leaks really come from, dont we?

chinadoll said...

Diane,

Your post 22.39 - spot on.

Perhaps they got Murat out of bed to interpret lol

melbel said...

China
Roth sure did turn up.Poor blogless individual.Awwwwwwhhhh.

archer said...

Melbel

Funny you should say that, I picked up 56 cookies in a week from site hopping. I cleared them off yesterday evening. They were listed as Medium Risk. I will do a SPYCHECK again tomorrow and see if anything is revealed. lol

dianeh said...

China

Didnt think of that?

Cheers

melbel said...

Hi Diane
Did not see you there. The times or guardian writer, said in one of our articles, that the previous leaks, were at a high level, in PJ.
I cannot see our guys doing it. WE are far from perfect, but it is not the usual form, especially with such a sensitive high profile case. x

melbel said...

That Nellie, our 'ell, is going to try and steal a lead now.You just see.

archer said...

China

Roth and A N Other 'turned up' over the weekend on a Gordon Brown bashing HYS.

They managed to get some Madeleine posts in before being told to 'blog' off by other posters!!!!!

Awwww

melbel said...

She is a fast cat Lancastrian, now basking in a better climate.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Night everyone, falling asleep as I type. See you tomorrow xx

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