Wednesday, 9 April 2008

McCanns ponder return to Praia da Luz

Esther Addley
The Guardian,
Wednesday April 9 2008


Kate and Gerry McCann are considering returning to Portugal to stage a reconstruction of the events surrounding the disappearance of their daughter, it has emerged.

As Leicestershire police, observed by Portuguese detectives, began reinterviewing the seven friends who were dining with the McCanns on the night Madeleine vanished, the couple's spokesman confirmed yesterday that they have been in discussions about returning to the Algarve to Praia da Luz to participate in a re-enactment.

Madeleine, then aged three, disappeared on the evening of May 3 last year, while her parents had dinner at a nearby restaurant with the group of friends.

It is understood the McCanns' lawyers have been negotiating for some time with Portugal's Policia Judiciária about returning, but have said that the McCanns would not agree to do so while they remain arguidos, or official suspects, in the case.

Clarence Mitchell, the couple's spokesman, said that thanks to Portugal's secrecy laws he could not discuss the details, but added: "Kate and Gerry would very much welcome a Crimewatch-style reconstruction which is properly broadcast for millions of people to see."

However, it was "very unlikely" that they would agree to return to Portugal while they were still under investigation, he said.

Jane Tanner, who told police she saw a man carrying a child away from the McCanns' holiday apartment, is understood to have been interviewed yesterday at Leicestershire police headquarters in Enderby, observed by officers from the Policia Judiciária who are led by Paulo Rebelo, one of Portugal's most senior detectives.

The purpose of the interviews, Mitchell said, was to clear up any apparent inconsistencies in their accounts.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/apr/09/madeleinemccann

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calcite51 said...

Good article - relieved to hear that the McCanns will not be going back to Portugal unless their arguido status is lifted.

I cannot believe that the PJ's are considering doing a reconstruction now after almost a year. Surely, the PJ's can't expect the McCanns to actually be in the scenes of the reconstruction -- oops, I forgot this is Portugal and so far, the PJ's have not done their country proud.

Let me see - 5 PJ's have been CHARGED with abuse in another missing child case. One PJ actually wrote two fictional accounts on two cases - one of which he is now facing charges for.
Only in Portugal? Thank God.

calcite51 said...

Vile - you really are a piece of work and you are a LIAR as well. You must have a really big nose, Pinocchio - you should change your blog name or just add another personality to your already demented moronic personality.

It was reported by friends and family members who were very concerned about Kate's fragile state of mind before the PJ's graced?? Britain with their presence.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=486798&in_page_id=1770

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2797668.ece

There are more articles on the internet - search for them yourself.

dianeh said...

Calcite

The McCanns should only return to Portugal when their arguido status is lifted. As we all said earlier, the reconstruction should have been done last year, probably when the McCanns requested it to be done, within the first month of Madeleine's disappearance.

Unless the reconstruction is for something like Crimestoppers, then I dont see how it can be of any use, surely if the PJ needed a reconstruction, they would have needed it done before now. And as the PJ dont believe that Madeleine was abducted, then I cant see them agreeing to a Crimestoppers type program, giving Kate & Gerry's version of events.

I also believe that the timing of the request is another shot at the McCanns, designed to put pressure on to get them to confess to a crime they didnt commit.

Give it a rest PJ, ask your questions, do your interviews and then lift that arguido status before the first anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance. Stop torturing these people and put your efforts into finding the abductor and hopefully this will lead to Madeleine.

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dianeh said...

Calcite

Now you have me wondering. Yesterday you were Bianca, today you are Daisy. How many people are living in your body? If you are not careful you will outdo Viv for having the most distinct personalities living inside your head.

Just popped over to read what had you upset. I dont know why we even bother. Some loser from the 3A's sprouting off that all this other stuff is happening, good touch about the corruption surrounding this case. The only place there has been corruption is inside the PJ, after all some of them are already on trial, arent they, for perverting the course of justice.

And then there was the crap about Kate. You would think one mentally ill person could have a bit of compassion for someone who is most likely suffering depression, after all that has happened to her. I dont know what is wrong with Kate but I would hardly be surprised if she is having difficulties coping and is being treated for depression. Many people cant cope with a lot less than this.

But obviously, Viv's mental illness prevents her from empathising with anyone else and keeps her locked within her own world, where truth and honesty have been replaced by spite and lies, more lies and damn lies.

dianeh said...

Calcite

We did a cross over post. But are saying the same things.

calcite51 said...

And no, Dimwit Vile - I don't post on your blog because I know you would do me the honor of deleting my posts. I post here or on ST - I know you read here - because you and I have had a few moments (not good for me - was it good for you)?

calcite51 said...

Daisy was the one that had shared an apartment with Kate?

dianeh said...

Is Daisy the one we know as Kiwigirl

dianeh said...

No, she cant be. Kiwigirl knew Kate in NZ.

I dont even know who Daisy is, except that I know she posts on Vile's blog and gets deleted all the time.

calcite51 said...

Diane - I'm guilty of none - I'm not good with multiple ID's or passwords (LOL) - my password is easy to remember at home but at work it's a different matter -- they make you change it every three months and you have to have letters/numbers/capital/small letters in comibination. I have to write that one down so I remember (good security measure eh?)

calcite51 said...

Oh, ok Kiwigirl but Daisy posted here too, didn't she?

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calcite51 said...

I tried to delete on of my posts because it came out twice.

dianeh said...

Calcite

I know you only post as you. I do not for 1 minute that you are Bianca and have had arguments with yourself. I also have seen where daisy has been posting (usually only the remnants, as the posts are always deleted). I havent noticed her ever posting when you do, I think she posts when you are at work (in evening in Britain).

That stupid fool woman, Viv, she wouldnt know a genuine poster if they came up and bit her on the bum.

calcite51 said...

Odd, but I was sure that Daisy had posted here too. Yet, you don't remember her?

I know you know that I only have one ID as I rambled on last night (reminded myself of 2345 - heaven forbid) -the comment I made was for the other cross over bloggers who seem to have an IQ of 1.

dianeh said...

I think also Daisy has posted on ST's blog. She may have posted here but hasnt been back for a while.

calcite51 said...

By the way, I don't take anything too seriously from 3A's - I remember Notdoc came up with a comment that he was so discouraged because he was told that Madeleine was dead - he had to leave the blog but could not say anymore.

I think it was just skimming Vile's garbage about Kate.

dianeh said...

Calcite,

I know you know that I know (hows that???, sounds like something from Deperate Housewives) but I just wanted to re-inforce to those dim witted morons that take our comments back to the other blog, that WE KNOW THE TRUTH about the mult id's. And they dont come from here.

dianeh said...

The 3A's are another bunch of half wits that are kidding themselves as to how clever they are.

They should move that blog to one of the conspiracy sites, it would fit right in.

I used to read there, never post, as it complete waste of time but it was so boring that I never went back. But saw something last week that made me go for a look and still the same. So I looked around a bit, saw a few predictions and guess what, none of them have come true, with the exception of the PJ coming here to question the Tapas 9, and here's a newsflash,they even got that wrong because Kate & Gerry arent being interviewed.

I feel sure that the posters on there never go back and check what the big noters say, to see if it came true. Same for Paolo Reis site. Everything he predicted late last year came to nothing. They have the worst sources (because I suspect it is the internal voices doing the talking) and yet the foolish posters on these sites just keep lapping it up.

calcite51 said...

Diane - I have to go to bed pretty quick - I am so tired.

Went over to ST's blog - she's so good. What a sense of humour, eh?

calcite51 said...

Just took a quick look at Brian's web site - someone from the UK is talking about going to look for Madeleine this week-end.

dianeh said...

Calcite

off to bed you go, and I will keep doing my work.

ST's blog is good, I enjoy reading it. Always brings a smile to my face.

calcite51 said...

Just keep working and keep an eye on this poor blog. It may get attacked from you know who....

I have to go dream up some more personalities - can't be outdone by Vile or Alsabella you know....

Adieu, farewell until tomorrow, Diane.

Sass said...

Hiya Diane and Calcite

Just a quick look in, but can't stay.

See you both later!

dianeh said...

Im off to pick up the kids. I am getting ready to go away, as have to take little girl to hospital on Friday, leaving at 5 am. Got lots to do tonight and tomorrow night. But will catch up in the morning.

'Madeleine' beautiful little angel.

Rosiepops said...

Morning Everyone

Just a quick couple of posts, very busy again today, as I have been this last week, hopefully I may have a little more spare time this evening.

Rosie x

Rosiepops said...

Calcite Re post 04.22

Hey don't beat about the bush, ust say it like it is!

Fantastic post and I agree with every word of it. Vile is a liar, a nasty unpleasant deliberately misleading horrible woman, in fact Vile is everything that you wouldn't want in a neighbour.
Fancy having that living next door? You wouldn't be able to get up your drive for beer cans (in my opinion of course.)

helenm said...

Good morning Rosie and Diane,

Hopefully see you tonight Rosie.

Diane, loved this

They have the worst sources (because I suspect it is the internal voices doing the talking) and yet the foolish posters on these sites just keep lapping it up.


How true.

Diane will be thinking of you and your little one. Take care.

melbel said...

Morning all
The DE are running yet another HYS on two threads. Got my main one whoozed, as article went, but got a small comment in to present thread.
I do not know why they bother,very cynical motives.

kiwigirl said...

Hi guys, just reading through the posts and thought I'd better clarify - I'm not Daisy, honest!! There is no way that I would post on Viv's site, that woman is irrational!

I knew Kate when she was here in NZ, we flatted together for a few months before she returned to the UK. I was meant to look her up in Glasgow, when I went to the UK in 2000, but the petrol crisis meant that I couldn't get to as many places and schools as I wanted to for my research.

Needless to say though the UK is fabulous for studying history etc which is my area of expertise - it was the ultimate experience to see the Abbey's, Cathedrals etc in the flesh so to speak! Scotland as well was awesome - my ancestors actually come from Glencoe so I managed to spend a few days up there and WOW!!! it is just amazing! One of these dyas I'll get back there, with the kids and show them what history is all about - not that we don't have any here!!

Anyway the thought of re-enacting that night must be just awful for both Kate and Gerry, and for what purpose? After a year, what is it going ot achieve - maybe a couple fo weeks later, but not a year later, let's face facts, this is poor police work and smacks of desperation. The PJ have nothing with which to indict the McCanns and are simply doing this, IMO, to humiliate them and cause them anguish. this si simply unacceptable and despicable behaviour, from a 'professional' organisation. Simply unbelievable!

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Rosiepops said...

I am glad that the McCann's are not going back to Portugal unless their arguido status is lifted and I think this is yet another disgraceful tactic employed by the PJ to blacken the names and characters of these poor parents.

In my opinion, it was obvious right from the start that the PJ were incapable of handling the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance and they should have been men about it, forgotten their over inflated egos and asked for the investigation to be carried out by the British police and then the PJ should have taken a side step and actually learned how it is done.

The PJ knew perfectly well that the McCann's would refuse to return to Portugal while they are under suspicion, why would they return to a country which is hell bent on accusing them of killing their own child?
The PJ know they have lost public support in their own country this last few weeks, the real people of Portugal, those hard working ordinary decent Portuguese citizens have suddenly seen their PJ in a different light, what did the PJ expect when they allow pimps to write books and make filthy tainted money out of innocent missing little girls? It is a bloody disgrace and now a TV series?

How utterly disgusting, how utterly filthy this whole thing now looks for Portugal, and I feel sorry for the ordinary Portuguese people who are now going to be painted with the same brush.

Shame on you Portugal.

melbel said...

Hi Diane
Smiled,too about the internal voices.
Take care and will be thinking of you and your family.x

Mandz said...

Morning All and what a beautiful day!
I don’t think they should return under suspect status because who know what would happen to them? All I know is that I don’t trust them one little inch and it appears the McCann’s think the same.
Gerry sister did tell us that Kate was offered a 2year deal to confess etc.
As for the reconstruction they would need professional actors/actresses to do this not the victims and witnesses it would be absolutely heartbreaking for them. They declined BBC Crimwatch last year so why would they want it now? From what I read away back last year the PJ did their “own version” of our Crimwatch. The McCann’s are quite right to ask for it to be shown to Millions of Viewers World Wide not just for Portugal to see. I honestly think the PJ are doing this to make it look like they are doing “something” perhaps the final ending to this?
The PJ should release their status now they know fine well they are NOT involved and it’s coming to a year how sad and heartbreaking for them. How difficult it would be to return to PDL where your little 3 year old was taken and where the smears started and the bo bo from the public whilst kate was going in for questioning. Words cannot describe this whole situation.


Ps Melbel Brilliant last night we got in as many posts as we could on the DX!!!!

kiwigirl said...

Rosie, you are dead right! Why would anyone in their right mind return to a country determined to 'prove' that they killed their child? No in their right mind would, not even Viv et al. Actually maybe she would, after all her Social Worker training and Solicitor experience would work in her favour!

What I can't understand is why the PJ handled case themselves without seconding anyone in from police forces or agencies with more experience in this type of investigation. Wouldn't it make sense to do this - get Scotland Yard involved, or MI5, or the FBI, on Interpol or whomever has the most experience in dealing with the abduction of little children - for heaven's sake, it's not rocket science - when in doubt, get help!!!

We recently had a case in which a little NZ girl was left in the Melbourne airport by her father while he fled to the US after murdering his wife in Auckland and leaving her body in the boot of their car. The NZ police rapidly called in the Australian police, the US police and I think they may have also involved Interpol. Granted a very different case, but the message is still the same - when in doubt, get help!

Mandz said...

Hi Kiwigirl!

Glencoe waw what a stunning place!

kiwigirl said...

Hi mandz

I was there in September/October, so autumn, and it was just stunning!! The scenery was just incredible and so much of it untouched by people, just breathtaking! I really want to take my kids and Dad over there. Dad is an historian and has traced our forebears right back to Glencoe and the massacre that occurred there...just incredible!!

Just love those highland cows (heelan coo's) too!!

Mandz said...

Kiwigirl!
So you have a bit of Scottish blood in you! Not a bad thing! It really is an amazing place. I imagine NZ to be a bit like that? Is it?
You are so right about the PJ who declined help from experts from Britain? Why would anyone do this when they know fine well they lack the experience etc This was a “child” surely any professional would welcome the help offered? Then came the leaks and again why? For the benefit of who?

melbel said...

Good article and I agree that it would be unwise to return to Portugal,without seeing any supposed evidence and being cleared as arguidos.
It has become clear,that the timeline inconsistencies[quite normal,in such a scenario, I would have thought,]are the main thrust of the PJ questioning.We have seen that forensic evidence, has been overplayed, the sniffer dogs did not lead them to what they hoped and clearly, there will be no confession, as this couple are almost certainly innocent.
There was even insufficient evidence for the Portugese prosecutor to allow requestioning of the couple,whatever spin, the paid Portugese posters, try to put on this.
If the PJ attempt to get them over, without showing evidence and releasing from arguido status, there will be one hell of an outcry,from British people, who have not been taken in,by these Portugese smear tactics and leaked lies.
They have the best extradition lawyers,[even though I am sorry that they got Pinochet off, they are good at what they do]and there will need to be shown evidence, to our courts.
The trouble is that when you lose respect and confidence, as we have in this PJ, we are on the lookout for dirty tricks and in a country, where it is considered ok for a compromised PJ person, accused of torture and withholding evidence in another similiar case,to head this case, you wonder about their integrity.
In a country,where another exPJ, an arguido himself in the case mentioned,but able to write two books about the two cases, using inside information, in violation of the secrecy laws,even though the questioning has not been completed in the Madeleine case and no charges laid,the standards of morality and justice are low.This country of Portugal is in denial and it's posters come on to boast about television rights being given for these same books and can see no contradiction in this .
I used to think that Portugal was a bit like us, in some ways, an ex colonial,now adjusting to being a modern EEC member.
I now see them as a country, not freed from their recent past, as a dictatorship and in fact, a backward country, in terms ofmorality and human rights.
That is why I would fear for the McCanns.
Also, the Keystones are under great pressure to deliver and salvage something to save the face of Portugal.
Too little and too late.
You have shown yourself,for what you are, as a country.You are way behind and will be dragged kicking and screaming to face the European Courts.
You picked the wrong couple here and the wrong country.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

melbel said...

HI Mandz
Well done last night and agree with your post.My poor fingers are knackered.Why do dE doit and it had not occurred to me that it was possibly about advertising revenue and stuff!
They have two other threads this morning, but one was pulled before I was ready , so just got a short one on the latest one.x

Mandz said...

Melbel!

Spot on and well said!!

kiwigirl said...

Hi mandz, more than a bit if Dad had his way. NZ is a lot like Scotland. Central Otago in particular is like the highlands - it's mostly untouched by people and the environmment is much like it was back in the day! Dunedin, is known as the edinburgh of the south as it was founded by the first Scottish settlers to NZ back in the mid 1800s. Hence we have a strong tradition of educational excellence in Dunedin, the first University in NZ was built here and girls were given a secondary education very early on. Women also were allowed to study medicine in the early 1900s and went on to practice in the region. It also has a strong Presbyterian influecne. However, the people here are moe friendly than anywhere else in NZ!!

As for the PJ, who knows mandz, but I seriously hope that there is some form of judicial inquiry called and that the handling of this case is reviewed. It's my belief that this needs to be done by an independent body, not prejudiced by the politics, either today or in the past, of the country. God knows, if this botch up had occurred over here, the public would be screaming for blood! We don't have a perfect police force, far from it, but at least they are open to help from other agencies and the reviews and inquiries are open, honest aand transparent.

melbel said...

Hi Rosie and Kiwigirl
Hope you are well.Glencoe is beautiful and you can feel the history,when you go through.
I am baffled why the Portugese cannot see how their country and reputation, is being dragged through the mire.I am sure that the more intelligent ones have concerns about how their country is regarded.
They had apparently hoped to stage a confrontation and cannot, as there was insufficient evidence, to reinterview the Mccanns.
I hope that trying to get them back there, is not some ploy.
Anyways, they will have the best of legal advice.
I feel so upset for the couple, the loss of Madeleine and then daily leaks, smears and lies, from the keystones. I am afraid it will not do over here and they can forget their tourist industry,if they try to use bullyboy tactics, which on the evidence we see, they go in for,over there.

Christabel said...

A very good morning all,

Just a quick hi and bye, now you all be good while I'm away and see you next week.
Melbel will see you the week after lol.Enjoy.
Now Tinks and Supertroll don't you forget your promises'

Mandz said...

Kiwigirl,
Sounds fantastic and very interesting! I hope one day to get there when the kids are a bit older.
A judicial inquiry would be good however they appear to be in denial and are trying to sweep this under the carpet to protect their Tourist Money. In my opinion missing children do not appear to matter.

Mandz said...

Melbel
I honestly believe people can see exactly what is happening here.

Shove your Tourist Money………Until you apologise to Maddie McCann for not bothering to HELP HER..Then admit you were wrong what you did to this heartbroken couple...

kiwigirl said...

Hi melbel, I agree. For a country that should be doing everythign in its power to attract tourists etc and prove to the rest of the world that they are a country of standing and good place to visit with young children, they are not doing a great promotional job! It's not a place that would top my list of destinations, should I ever win lotto!!

As for a reconstruction - what is the point? Even my husband, who has not followed this story, can't understand the point of a reconstruction a year later. For it to be at all realistic and meaningful, they need all the people that were in PDL at the time back there and in the same places they were on the night. Unless they are simply trying to jog the McCanns and their friends minds only - and for what purpose? As for the McCanns wanting the tv there to film it - good on them. I'd have as many people I could think of there, including my lawyers and someone to video the whole thing so that I had all the evidence there on tape, in case they tried something on!

Mandz said...

Hi & Bye Christabel!

Must go and do housework!

kiwigirl said...

Hi mandz, NZ is a great wee country - well we're the same size approximately as the UK but with a LOT less people - in fact you have more in London than we do in the whole of NZ (total population here about 4.5million, give or take a couple of hundred thousand)! But we don't have the same sense of history as the UK - it's as relatively young history with lots of bloodshed and interracial conflict etc etc. It was once described as a social laboratory as the Colonial Office of the 1800s didn't want it turning out like parts of Australia at that time (Sorry Diane!!)
As for tourist money, you have to be so careful - you will lose it as quick as look at you if you screw things up, and the PJ have screwed it up for the Portugese Tourist board I suspect. The world is watching everything now thanks to the net, and one foot out of place can land you in very hot water. Unfortunately the PJ forgot this and with one of the first really big international cases they messed up...big time!

melbel said...

Hiya Christabel and all
I popped on to look at the House of hate,but it is full of the usual nutters and fantasists, allin overdrive and quotes from fools from the 3 arguidos, claiming inside information.
it is a game to them and nothing else.
They care nothing for Madeleine and use her name in an obscene way.
I would be happy for my grandchildren,to be looked after by Kate and gerry and would not allow the other bunch of psychos anywhere near.
Some nut is claiming to have inside information about the Jane interview.What nonsense. We do not operate like that, over here as there would be all hell to play.
It is obviously the way they do things, in less advanced and more corrupt places.
Off now, guys, as I am meeting some ex work mates, the only thing I miss about work!
Enjoy,Christabel.I will be gone, with no computer, for 4 weeks, in a remote spot, without even an internet cafe, but I will return.Give you all a rest from my long spiels.Take care and hope we will have better news re Madeleine and her loving family x x x

helenm said...

Melbel,

If you are still looking in have a great time, I will miss your excellent posts.

Looked on TWS this a.m. even TW said that the poster on the 3 amigos had a good imagination!! Maybe all is not lost!!!LOL

melbel said...

Hi our 'Ell
here until after weekend. so the old computer cannot droop just yet. Off now to meet an old pal
See Ya later
x x x

kiwigirl said...

Have a good night chatting guys. Am off to bed, can hear loud sighs coming down the hallway from the vicinity of the youngest member of the clan! Hopefully there will be more news tomorrow morning and that the PJ are starting to get the general idea that they stuffed up!
As for the other site - it is just appalling. Some of the claims on there are simply atrocious and all are inappropriate and wrong! It doesn't pay to pass comment on people simply because you think they are guilty. The claims that Kate and Gerry are child abusers are simply wrong - has anyone ever seen any evidence of the twins, or Madeleine being abused? Do they display behaviour typical of abused children? And as for being child neglectors FGS get a grip - if you want to see child neglect visit South Auckland!
As for her go at Diane, that was below the belt and taken totally out of context. We have two dogs, the kids roam freely with them, play with them and feed them - they even help us do the daily doggy do round. I hate to say it, but birds and their droppings are more dangerous than dogs and their poo! Free the parrot!!!
Who will this woman go on to harrass next?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Morning All,

Just popping in on Troll Patrol.

Good luck to Gerry & Kate on their visit to Brussels today. You are truly an inspiration & I applaud you on your efforts to make Europe a safer place for our children.

I hope you get the necessary support required.

chinadoll said...

Just a quick post, as I am off back out in a minute. I just saw this report from ITN - I was particularly pleased to read the following:-

The interviews are being conducted by British officers as a three-man team of Portuguese detectives, led by Paulo Rebelo, sit in.

On Tuesday, Jane Tanner, 37, and her partner, 36-year-old Russell O'Brien, were quizzed for about ten hours.

But sources said they were allowed a number of breaks and that the interviews had given them the chance to put their point of view across "strongly".

link to full article

Catch you all later

calcite51 said...

Good morning everyone, I'm off to work.

Chinadoll - thanks for the link - it is very interesting and very encouraging.

See on the other site mrs. consecuitive number is losing her mind - accused Clawdia of saying she (mrs. consecutive numbers) was can't think of the word consecutive numbers used - but it meant she was insane.

calcite51 said...

The word according to Mrs. Consecutive Number Clawdie called her was 'disturbed' - probably the only honest word spoken out of Clawdie's mouth yet.

Vile now is on her bandwagon, saying the twins will be removed from Kate and gerry's care. Vile, you are the fruitiest of nutcases on your blog.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Who would remove the twins from a loving close knit family.

Not Leicestershire social services thats for sure.

The twins aren't going anywhere!

For those that want to rip this family apart to suit your own sick vendetta, it aint never going to happen. Get over it!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi to anyone on line,

Just a quick patrol. See you later.

Sass said...

Tinks

Nee Naw Nee Naw

Troll-patrolling, too. Always seem to be here about the same time as you!

Hope you're fine!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hey Sass,

Hope you are having a good day.

Now dont be insulted as you know my eyes are bad, is your avatar a boss eyed owl ?

Sass said...

Tinks

Was hoping the animation would work, but it didn't!!!

In the words of modern art fans (which I am not) it is, what you think it is!

Had a laugh earlier - apparently Marga is counting on the integrity of the PJ!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Sass,

ROFLMAO, someone has just posted using the name Vivs a Hypocrite.
I'm in tears, I didnt know its blog was such a laugh, I'd have visited it weeks ago if I did, lol.

Sass said...

Tinks

The biggest laugh for me on that blog are the salutations some use!

"Hi Whoever
I'd like to thank you for fighting for truth and justice"

or another little gem

"We have faith in your integrity PJ!"

or loads and loads of bile totally unrelated to Madeleine which is followed by

"Justice for Maddie!"


Do you remember on Tenko the women were allowed to write postcards home, but they had to write in the compulsory propoganda sentence or their cards wouldn't be sent? It totally reminded me of that!

Bianca said...

To DianeH and Calcite51,

Sorry, but you are letting paranoia get the better of you.

This is easy to do on the net as we are all but words on a screen.

For what it's worth though, I am Bianca and have only ever been Bianca since the DE days. I briefly logged on once as "Belinda" after I got banned (at DE), but used the same avatar and made it obvious to everyone who I was. I knew I'd be reported and banned again by the same obnoxious Pro's that did it the first time, as it was so obvious I was really Bianca. This is exactly what happened (I was banned again) but I didn't mind, as there were only a few more points I wanted to make, and wanted people to know it was Bianca making them.

As for "Daisy", I don't have a clue who she/he really is, and usually only get to her posts after they have been deleted on the Anti Blog. To be honest, I don't even really know what her views are, because I rarely get to read them!

As to my views, I think you will find me pretty consistent. I despise the McCanns for their child neglect, but have always been reluctant to label them killers, even though I find much of their behaviour suspicious. You can look back over my posts from day one (at DE), and while you will see me openly speculating on a variety of theories, I always end by saying things like "but I am not sure", or "who really knows", as this is my genuine view. I have very high standards when it comes to child safety, and I am strident and unforgiving in them (and always will be). The unbelievable slackness of the McCanns is why I so strongly resent them, however, I am not sure they killed Maddy (even accidentally).

This cloak and dagger internet stuff is not new to me though. According to a recent post by 2345 I am "Bianca, a poster from Portugal (??), who became Canadian (how do you "become" Canadian?), and turned on the PJ"!! Now, if 2345 can come up with THAT (completely bizarre) identity, then God knows what others will come up with!

See you later.

Tulip said...

Hi everyone.

Back from holiday -- took me forever to read all the back posts. Life seems to have been interesting here in my absence. Glad to see that the PJ are here.

Congratulations Melbel on your new granddaughter.

Too busy with after-holiday chores to comment more. See you soon.

Mandz said...

I think if paranoia is getting to anyone it is you Bianca. Pros reported you which got YOU banned??? I think you will find the person who got you banned was YOU and YOUR “posts”. You along with the other obnoxious Antiz got banned all by yourselves.

Yawn Yawn Yawn neglect change the record. If you despise the McCann’s for leaving their children then why don’t you go on about the friends who left their children that night or is it just the McCann’s you’ve “got it in for” just like most arrogant nasty evil Antiz. Child neglect is not just for the McCann’s so why don’t you go and protest or go and work in some organisation to help tackle this massive problem? I bet there are lots of cases in your Country.

Mandz said...

Tulip!!
Nice to see you! Did you have a nice time? It seems you have been gone for ages.

Tulip said...

Hi Mandz -- only been away for 11 days but thanks for the welcome.

The blog break was probably quite healthy. It puts things into perspective.

joanypony said...

How does Bianca define neglect, is it leaving three lovely well loved and cared for children while you go for dinner, checking on them regularly, or is it not caring for them or loving them, betraying them by lying to police when you are party to a conspiracy like a certain mother who has just been arrested.

The McCann children were the happiest, well looked after children you could hope to see, but that does not count in the eyes of these disgusting, vile bloggers jus because the parents made an error of judgement.

Perhaps they have been behind the other mother who wept and begged for her child to come home when she new damn fine where she was all the time.

Perhaps more their type of perfect mother!

joanypony said...

How does Bianca define neglect, is it leaving three lovely well loved and cared for children while you go for dinner, checking on them regularly, or is it not caring for them or loving them, betraying them by lying to police when you are party to a conspiracy like a certain mother who has just been arrested.

The McCann children were the happiest, well looked after children you could hope to see, but that does not count in the eyes of these disgusting, vile bloggers jus because the parents made an error of judgement.

Perhaps they have been behind the other mother who wept and begged for her child to come home when she new damn fine where she was all the time.

Perhaps more their type of perfect mother!

Bianca said...

To Mandz,

I despise the entire Tapas group and anybody, regardless of who they are or where they are from, who plays games with the lives of children. I am not nationalistic Mandz, so you won't hurt me by referencing "my country". I put my family first and always have. Patriotism can go hang. People who neglect their children in Australia horrify me just as much as people who neglect their children anywhere else on the planet!

Only a sub-human puts children second on the list. Children should be number one - always. If you have to explain that to someone, if you actually have to try and TEACH them that concept, then there is something fundamentally wrong with their mind. Even gorillas in the jungle have an overwhelming instinct to protect their young.

"Child neglect, blah blah blah" (to quote you) sums up what is wrong with your mind, Mandz. Child neglect is horror, child neglect is a shameful social problem, not just "blah blah blah"! How can you simply write it off as "blah blah blah"?? I would be shocked enough if a male had this attitude, but coming from a female, it really makes me gasp. It goes against the basic nurturing instinct of most mothers. Most females see a baby and want to hold it close, even little girls often have this inclination. What the Hell is going on the mind of a woman that says "child neglect, blah blah blah"?? Why is it the trend on this blog to swap stories about "near-misses" in child-care?? Even Charles Darwin would be confused, as he posited the theory of "survival of the fittest" - how can this work when parents are deliberately taking chances with their own young? If you were in the jungle, your young would be eaten within a couple of days. And they'd only have you to blame for it.

Mandz said...

Well said Joanypony!

Social Services and police visited them when they came back therefore they have checked everything out. They went on holiday and were lulled into a false sense of security and they are not the first to do this and won’t be the last.
MW complexes offer a listening service at flat doors done by nannies in different counties so it must be popular because parents do use this service and choose to leave their little ones alone so why don’t people target them?

Bianca said...

Oh Joanypony, you are so wrong!

I think Shannon's mother looks like an absolute creep, and I suspected her involvement in some way from day one! Just the fact of having seven different children to five different fathers says a lot to me.

But hang on. Just because SHE has done wrong, does this excuse the McCanns? Are you making a distinction on the basis of class? And if Madeleine is missing, after, by her own parents admission, being left, under 4, on her own, at night, in a hotel room in a foreign country, then how ON EARTH can you claim she was WELL CARED FOR?????

joanypony said...

Hi Mandz

I am utterly sick of the 'holier than thou' attitude of these people who are vilifying the McCanns, it is absolutely inhuman.
I have seen neglected kids in school, mums never get up to see them to school, they are dirty, so are their clothes, no breakfast, no love or attention just existing, mum's out drinking or at the bingo everynight not caring what time the children go to bed etc. The other lot must think that is good parenting!

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joanypony said...

Bianca,

So did numerous other parents leave their kids at night in a foreign country. It used to be done here at Butlins, don't know if it is still done. But lots of holiday centre used to provide a baby listening service.

By the way I AM SCOTTISH!!!

Mandz said...

Bianca.....
Funny dear I have never ever seen a post where you have mentioned the whole group who left their children you just like bumping your gums about the McCann’s on a daily basis. As for bla bla bla I said yawn yawn yawn because that is all you go on about the “McCann’s” leaving their children. It is nearly a year now therefore what relevance is it going on and on about them leaving their children? Will it bring back Maddie? No the MAIN THING here is a CHILD who is still missing EVERYTHING else is SECOND in my book. Don’t you worry about the McCann’s our police and social services have looked into the McCann’s and they see them as fit parents. We don’t live in the jungle therefore a bit hard to compare don’t you think.

Bianca said...
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Bianca said...

Sorry Joanypony, just lost it for a minute there. It gets me really steamed up but don't worry, my posts will soon be deleted!

And I apologise of you are Scottish!

joanypony said...

Bianca,

Do us all a favour and change your broken record, move on. If you can't come up with something new beetle off!!

Bianca said...

Yes, I'll get out of here. I promised myself I wouldn't lose my temper but sometimes it's just impossible.

See you all later (or maybe not!)

Mandz said...

Bianca,

As for the whole mother instinct etc is this “fact” you are talking about or just a scientific theory not proven? Don’t sit there and bang on about child neglect like it’s a McCann’s thing only. Get over it they made a mistake and just to let you into a little secret all humans are flawed even YOU. Unlike you I’m more concerned about this little girl who is still missing – You on the other hand get off on this tragedy. I bet it somehow makes you feel better about your sad little life.

Tulip said...

'Child neglect' isn't a boring issue, Bianca, but when the other blog's inmates go on and on about it all the time it IS. I move in very civilised circles and I've never encountered such an attitude. Most people believe in the principle 'there but for the grace of God ..'. The fact that you don't shows smugness and arrogance. I'd walk around with my fingers crossed if I were you.

Of course the McCanns put their children first. They just didn't realise that leaving them in those particular circumstances would lead to harm -- probably on the basis of the resort's assurances and the fact that so many others were doing it. If they had done, do you really think that they'd have decided to 'play with their lives' just to have a meal with their friends?

Every mother 'plays' with her children's lives just by giving birth to them. You can't strap them to your back 24 hours a day. Many, many children have died who would have lived if their mothers had wrapped them in cotton wool. Situations which seem perfectly safe turn out not to be -- ask Jamie Bulger's mother or the mothers of the Soham children.

But you know how people here feel about this and I can only assume you are here to goad by asking what is wrong with someone's mind.

What is wrong with YOURS that you are so judgmental? What will have to happen to YOU before you learn understanding and compassion? What problem are you concealing that you are so obsessed with throwing stones?

melbel said...

Bianca
You have called the members of this blog, cretins, not once or twice, but three times.
I think that your views will not be of interest to people on this blog.
This is my last post, ever to you.

Tulip said...

Bianca, I don't think you're that popular, do you???

Mandz said...

Bianca

You have mental health problems I should feel sorry for you but I don't! Move on....

joanypony said...

Why is it that there is always one person who likes to but in and spoil something decent.

Mandz said...

Joanypony,

Yes there is always one!

Bianca said...

Tulip,

You are in Italian what we call a "stregga" (meaning a witch). Don't you DARE threaten me with statements like "what will have to happen to you". It is foul, and the consequences for you will be bad.

You need to know that I would take a bullet for any child of mine and rip the throat out of someone who threatens my child with my bare hands.

If I have to, I'll see you in my dreams. This, you don't want.

Rosiepops said...

Oh Bianca

for goodness sake wind your neck in. Have you ever heard of 'perspective?'

The McCann's made an error of judgement, they did not neglect their children.

I have made many errors of judgement with my children and so have others ask Hope!

As for deleting posts, if your posts are not insulting and not debasing towards the McCann's or are not abusive and insulting towards posters on here they will stay.

Unlike that disgusting place you post on where all the posters seem to need a mental health check!

If anyone from here posts on there they get deleted if the Vile one does not agree with what they are saying.

By the way if the vile one catches you posting on here you will get a flea in your ear from her, she positively disapproves of 'her' posters posting on here or supertrolls, so watch out.

She has been a bit unstable lately too, really jealous of Southerncross chatting up notdoc in Afrikaans, she'll be flying off is a rage at you, be careful!

joanypony said...

Bianca,

Belt up, you have definitely lost the plot. Melodramatic is the word that comes to mind regarding your last post.

Mandz said...

Bianca,

You are probably not mad just BAD. No hope for the likes of you and you are in no way a caring person god help whoever you are caring for. I pray for them.

Rosiepops said...

Bianca

NO abusive posts personally attacking blog members will be tolerated.

That post of yours was deleted and it was totally unnecessary.

Rosiepops said...

Bianca said:

"You need to know that I would take a bullet for any child of mine and rip the throat out of someone who threatens my child with my bare hands."
So would any of us, so no doubt would the McCann's, so no doubt would any decent parent from ANY background!

What makes you think you are any different to any of us on here who have children/grandchildren/nieces/nephews?

Tulip said...

Bianca you seem insane. Did you not understand the phrase 'What will have to happen to you before you learn compassion?' Do you not understand English? Do you think this is a threat or a witches' spell? IT MEANS HOW BAD WOULD SOMETHING HAVE TO BE IN YOUR LIFE BEFORE YOU IT FORCED YOU TO BE HUMBLE AND LEARN COMPASSION?

This is known as a rhetorical question.

There are stregge galore in southern Italian folklore -- is that where you come from? Hate to think what frightening stories YOU were told as a child.

You're welcome to dream of me whenever you like. As long as I don't have to spend time personally in your head.

Bianca said...

Rosiepops,

I don't fear anything Viv has to say, not with the unbelievable stuff being said on here!

At least Viv is sane and respects the rights of children! At least she understands that leaving tiny children all by themselves in the dark is a crime, regardless of whether "other people" were also doing it at the time.

The fact that Madeleine is gone PROVES it was unsafe, and yet everyone here says it wasn't neglect?? If it wasn't neglect Rosiepops, why isn't Madeleine still here?

Haven't you seen the (now famous) video of the top American social worker saying the McCanns are "culpable for Madeleine's disappearance"?? Haven't you seen YouTube, with the whole world coming out to voice their disgust, even Trey Parker and Matt Stone of South Park fame had a go! It's not just Viv, Rosiepops, it's the whole world! Even if people doubt the McCanns are killers (as I do) they still find their neglect disgusting. But you insist, you INSIST it wasn't neglect, and this is so weird and so disturbing that it almost defies description!

Mandz said...

What is her problem? She completely miss quoted me and the subject was the McCann's NOT child neglect in a wider sense. Next time Bianca read my post from top to bottom.

Our police and social workers have looked into the McCann's and they see the McCann's as fit parents so don't concern yourself Bianca you have your own problems.

helenm said...

Good evening folks,

Do I need a flak jacket? Looks like World War 3 has broken out. Just to let you know thatI have not deserted you all!!!!LOL I shall be away for a couple of hours, need to go to the nearest pub which has sky so that I can watch paint dry!!! oops sorry mean football. Play fair and will see you all later. Triumphant I hope.

Mandz said...

Bianca
You could start your protest with say Turkey who sends young children to work down in the coal mines.

joanypony said...

Hi Mandz,

Shows her ignorance when she didn't understand your post.

I get put off posting by people like her. Why can't they keep their vile beliefs to themselves.

Rosiepops said...

Bianca

tell me, what insane stuff is being written on here?

How on earth can you say Viv is sane? My goodness, of you think she is sane would you trust her to look after your children?

Bianca said...

Mandz,

When it suits you it's "our police", and yet when you have a change of heart, it's the "PJ" running things (and stuffing up the McCann case).

So which one is it Mandz? Which police force is responsible for the McCann case - the PJ or "your police"??

Tulip said...

Cool it, Bianca cara. I don't know why you bother. If you can't control your temper on a mere blog, how do you control it with your family?

You quote people who are anti-McCann. We too could list many respected people who understand very well how it could have happened.

What is the point? Why don't you go back to the blog of perfect parents? You just come here spoiling for a fight.

Bianca said...

"How on earth can you say Viv is sane? My goodness, of you think she is sane would you trust her to look after your children?" - Rosiepops

I can say Viv is sane because she is coherent and articulate in her posts, is consistent in the views she expresses, and expresses widely held, mainstream views, not bizarre, sectarian rubbish like "the McCanns did not neglect Madeleine".

No. Of course I would not trust her to mind my children. Because although I like her internet persona, I don't really know her. Only a fool would leave their child with someone they'd met over the internet. And I'm sure Viv would be the first one to agree with this view.

Mandz said...

Bianca
What are YOU on about? You have failed to understand my post yet AGAIN. Let me explain. Our police here in “Britain” have visited the McCann’s and our Social Workers therefore they see the McCann’s as fit parents get it?
As for the overall investigating of Maddie disappearance well that is the…PJ. Why don’t you write the PJ a letter asking them to charge them with neglect Bianca go and do something to make yourself feel better?

Dont Let Them Hurt Our Children said...

Haven't you seen YouTube, with the whole world coming out to voice their disgust,

Good Evening Everyone,
Just wanted to Add that the Whole of the Youtube World Isn't coming Out in disgust, just a Weeny few that have No Compassion only Hatred. Shame on Them, They are Disgusting.

Rosiepops said...

And Bianca,

Why is someone a top of something because they are American?

Why would we trust what this "top American social worker" giving her opinion on people she has never met, on a case she knows nothing about, without hearing first what the parents have to say, before coming to her conclusion?

By the way I hate people that make money out of missing children, like the scum ex PJ odious creep Paulo Cristovao and that includes "top American social workers" and Spanish psychologists.

save your venom for people that deserve it like the above and the lower than low life scum who actually abducted Madeleine.

In my opinion I think that Portuguese ex PJ Paulo Cristovao is lower than low life scum too, for NOT putting Madeleine's name on the list of unexplained disappearances of children.

Where is your venom for these people? Or are you and the rest of the insane mentalists on the vile blog going to go on letting this filth off with their crimes?

Please do not talk to me about what "top America social workers" say, I am not interested in the country of litigation, where they all run around holding their necks when they witness a bus crash.

Take a reality check will you.

Tulip said...

Bianca, regarding Viv and her cronies. Do you not recognise hate speech? I could mention several well-known figures in history who were 'coherent' and 'consistent' in their views but weren't what we'd call admirable. If I mention names you'd be hissing and spitting all night, so I won't. Yes, Viv is consistently hate-filled, vicious and self-congratulatory. A great role model.

Rosiepops said...

Hi DLTHOC

Good to see you again.

Thanks for clarifying that, I only look in on You tube to see videos made by sane compassionate people like you, I pay no heed at all to the venom that some think it is OK to spout, just because they can.

The day I take notice of a "top American Social worker" who is probably getting paid to go and vent on some chat show, who have probably no doubt instructed her to be as controversial as possible, will be the day I give up.

What next Jerry Springer or Jeremy Kyle show?

JANEGT said...

evening all

deleted the 'good' as clearly it is not.

Ignore
Pass by
serves no purpose
You are reasoning with the unreasonable, does not work..ever

Now, I agree, the McCanns should not go back for any farce of a 'reconstruction' a year later. Nothing to be gained at all by this nonsense. I think this a PJ ploy to distract from the reality of British Police overseeing the interviews NOT them. The pJ nly 'sat in' on them. Their peeved attitude shows too well. The McCanns would be crazy to go back there at all imho, but absolutely definitely NOT IF STILL under arguido status. That would be stupid beyond belief.

Rosiepops said...

Melbel

Sorry I just read you are going away for a few weeks, hope you have a wonderful time and we will all miss those excellent posts of yours - hurry back. xxx

Dont Let Them Hurt Our Children said...

Please feel free to visit My Site on Youtube http://uk.youtube.com/user/JANETMARIEJAMES

I have Mentioned before about Disabling Comments, You will see Nothing but Hope and Compassion.
Our Group Cares about Madeleine and Our Missing Children.
Unlike those Users that are blocked, Who Now seem to be heading for the Blogs.

I too have Disabled Commenting on My site due to the

Mandz said...

Now we should take note of this so called "top American Social worker"?? And ignore the decisions our British ones!!! Ha Bog off.......

Tulip said...

Yes, Melbel, have a good break, I can recommend it!

Mandz said...

DLTHOC

Will have a look thank you!

Bianca said...

Mandz,

I have no doubt that "neglect" will be just one of the charges that the PJ will list when (if) their case gets to trial. Like I say, I don't believe the McCanns are killers, however, the PJ are building a case against them that I assume is a manslaughter case, and it's quite possible that "neglect" will be one of the things that the PJ cite as having lead to Madeleine's unlawful death.

JANEGT said...

TULIP

nice and refreshed ???

MELBEL

WHEN ever you do go off, have a great break. Lucky you.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Mandz

Why should we take note of "top America social workers" who are appearing on chat shows for money (probably)who have NEVER met the McCann's and have NEVER seen the case file and do NOT know the other side of the story, yet feel qualified to make judgements on something they obviously know nothing about, while ignoring the British social workers who have seen the case files, know the other side of the story and have met and visited the McCann's and so have been able to come to an INFORMED decision.

Err no contest.

JANEGT said...

the CRIMINAL or CRIMINALS are the ones that took an INNOCENT SLEEPING child out of her bed at night from an apartment they had no right at all to be in.

HUNT THEM
AND STOP PERSECTING THE PARENTS

who know exactly what happened in their moment of madness. The mw resort only offered half hourly listening at door, the McCanns went in the room = MORE THAN that which was on offer. Any lawyer would note this and the charges would FAIL as has been reported by QC in this country in our top press. SO Let's not forget to balance this out with these totally one Sided claims here.

You know what this blog and the bloggers stand for. Do not expect a warmwelcome when you post such nonsense as saying Viv is anything to be upheld. Far from it. If social services went on that blog most would be taken away, particularly the raving loonie 2345.

GET A GRIP FGS!!!

Bianca said...

No, go on Tulip, mention some names.

And I can easily show you how they WEREN'T consistent!

Mandz said...

Bianca,

I doubt that very much. They gave an explanation for leaving the children which was the equivalent to eating in their back garden and they were assured by their “lawyers” when this first happened that this was within the boundaries. They have also been checked here in Britain by authorities therefore I doubt very much the PJ will charge with neglect. As for accidental death I don’t buy it and I believe the McCann’s will be released from their status soon and perhaps Murat also.

Rosiepops said...

Bianca

If you really believe that then I think you are in for a massive shock.

Look at it logically, how on earth can the PJ be building a case against the McCann's for manslaughter?

Bianca think about what you are saying, they have no body so how on earth can they build a case for manslaughter?

They would have to have a body for that to be able to determine cause of death.

By the way we do not go in for killing theories on this site, we prefer to wait and see and also i do believe that Madeleine may still be alive.

This is a positive site that tries to keep positive for her parents and family, not that they would be interested in this little blog of ours, but just in case they do stumble across it, this is what it is.

Mandz said...

Rosie,

Absolutely what a cheek...top American social worker eh hello.

Bianca said...

Look, it's not just "American" experts that have had a go at the McCanns; it's psychologists, social workers, and just regular, everyday people from all over the world! I mean, look at "Viv" then - Viv is British, so is Leigh, Docmac, RatontheBeam, plenty of regular folks that have a big problem with the McCanns. You think it's "rule Britannia" and everyone is out there flying the Union Jack for the McCanns? Not true! Plenty of English people I have spoken to, including my best friend who happens to be an English woman, have said the McCanns embarrass them and they only hope that their parenting (or lack thereof) is not taken to be the modern-day English standard.

joanypony said...

Bianca,

The people you mention just have a big problem to look at things logically.

JANEGT said...

i WOULD CORRECT YOU

VIV, RAT, PLENTY PEOPLE WITH BIG PROBLEMS. BIG ONES.

DON'T COME HERE HOLDING THEM UP AS EXAMPLES TO BE HELD UP. fAR fAR fAR FROM IT. HA HA HA HA

NOW I AM OFF. I DON'T LIKE THE 'BIANCA SHOW. IT IS NOT WHY I COME HERE. I have taste.

Mandz said...

Bianca
For every psychologist who says something against the McCann's there is another who will contradict them same with Psychiatrist etc.

As for sick viv et al the world is full of nasty evil people who crawl out of the woodwork when something like this happens. These are the same people who thought the (creep as you said) Shannon mum was “perfect” and should be an example to Kate McCann?

Mum21 said...

Bianca,
Are you still here?
Everytime you come on this blog you stir up trouble and bad feeling.
Now let us get one thing straight....you are entitled to your opinion....and we are entitled to ours. There is NO evidence in the public domain to point to the McCann's guilt. Neither YOU or I know what happened that night...neither does your vile boss...Viv. The big difference between us....and your vicious lot is we are prepared to wait until there is evidence either way.
As an internet person I do not like you...neither will I tollerate you. Now go back to the hell hole you came from. I do not post my views on your blog...and I do not expect you to post yours on this blog.
Now SOD OFF!.

Mum21 said...

Good Evening Ladies (and that does not include Bianca)

Tulip said...

Hello Jane.

Had super hols thanks!
I agree - I think the reconstruction idea is silly so long after the event -- so silly that I suspect the PJ's have a another agenda entirely. If I were the McCanns I certainly would not agree to go to Portugal as arguidos.

Like you, I really do think we've had enough of Bianca's rantings now. I don't know why she is here. To stir? Change our minds? Get rid of surplus, overwhelming bad temper before returning to be an adoring mum? Practising for ripping out the throats of attackers?

Bianca,
if I mentioned the names of powerful demagogues in history who said/wrote exactly what they were going to do, then did it, it would be one tiny step to your accusing me of saying Viv is like that. Use your imagination. My point is that consistency and articulateness aren't always virtues.

You do spoil the vibe here. If we all asked with one voice to go for good, would you?

All together now then ...

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi All,

Your wish will be my command!

Tulip said...

Tinks, you come right on cue. Please wave your wand and make someone disappear.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Bianca,

I get the feeling you are not wanted and are upsetting this blog. So with respect please do not post anymore, if you do your posts will be deleted.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Tulip,

Nice to see you back. Hope you enjoyed your holiday :0)

Mum21 said...

I do not believe the McCann's should even consider going back to Portugal unless their suspect status is removed first. I believe the PJ are playing a foul game here to get them back on Portuguese soil.
Today I read two different articles regarding Jane Tanner's interview yesterday. The British one stated her interview went well and she left the police station shortly after the PJ and she looked relaxed and ok.
The Portuguese 24Horas...stated the opposite and said they had had inside information from the Leicestershire police saying she blundered through the interview constantly saying she could not remember.
We know for a fact that our police have stated they will NOT be releasing details due to the Portuguese secrecy laws.
So it is either the PJ leaking lies again....or 24Horas are making it up as they go along.
I know which one I would put my money on.

Tulip said...

Thanks Tinks!

Holidays aren't just enjoyable and excuses to eat too much, they clear the mind.

JANEGT said...

mum21

good evening

your post 8.21 EXACTLY. could not have put it better myself there.

they would be mad to even cosider going back to Portugal. I do not trust the reasons given for them to do so one bit. They have a different scheme in mind. Still love 'Jimmy'. Make me smile, and boy I needed to do that.

TULIP

I agree with you on those points.



TINKERBELL

thanks for 'refreshing the air' with your magic wand. Can I have one too>???

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Jane,

Happy to oblige ;0)

JANEGT said...

SORRY MUM21

got the times wrong of your posts

8.19 and 8.06

EXACTLY!!!!!!!


;O)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

JANEGT said...

tinkerbell

WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF WE REALLY COULD HAVE A CYBEREMOTECONTROL THAT WE COULD PRESS WHEN SOMETHING OR SOMEONE NOT TO OUR TASTE CAME IN OUR LINE OF VISION???

I would buy them........so would most of this blog too I expect.

ha ha ha ha ;o)))))))))))

Mandz said...

Hi All.......

is it safe to come out?!!!!

Mum21 said...

Hi Jane,
Glad Jimmy makes you smile.

I cannot understand anyone wanting to post on here that has such different views to us. Why don't they just keep their sick minded views to themselves.
The name of this blog is "Justice for ALL the Family"

Tinkerbell43 said...

lol, Hi Mandz!!!!

Mum21 said...

Hi Mandz...I think it is safe now.
The evil bi-ch has gone.

Mandz said...

Magic! I take it Tinks did the business! Well done!

Mandz said...

I don't think the McCann's should go back until their status has been lifted. I just don't trust them.

JANEGT said...

Mum21

some come on not to debate, but to score points, copy and paste our replies to other blogs, and disrupt. That is not polie debate. I do not want fights, I want discussion. If they cannot see that this is not the way it is all coming across, well, that to me is distinctly their problem. But...just look at their stomping ground and you see why ..... ha ha ha

JANEGT said...

MANDZ

I agree!!! they should not go back to Portugal. Most certainly NOT before their status (silly word) is lifted, but even after I would be concerned......

I feel PJ have another *scheme* in mind - hidden agenda if you like here. Let's face it you cannot accuse PJ of being 'open and honest' at all by widest stretch of anyone's imagination, not even 2345.999%/s.

Mum21 said...

I think something Viv said today proved to me she knows nothing about the law.
She was on about Karen Matthews and she was comparing her offence with Kate's. Here is what she said.

"What same Portuguese laws apply ? I do not understand the link you are trying to make, UK law applies to Karen who committed a different and far less serious (although still serious) offence here, not Portugal."

Mum21 said...

So Viv believes what Sharron Matthews did regarding her children was less serious than what Kate McCann did.

Try to fathom that one ladies.

Mum21 said...

Sorry...I meat Karen Matthews...not Sharron.

Blame it on my age.

JANEGT said...

Mum21

can't fathom the unfathomable....!!!

Karen M. had 7 children by 5 fathers, she 'forgot one' it said in papers today, as at first it was reported she had 6.... She has been charged with neglect and other charges, 'more perhaps to follow', I read, so as she has been charged already and is in custody, Kate is not even charged, no, I agree, how can she state this?

It shows a ***huge*** lack of any sort of grasp of legal ways. For an expert on her - is it third profession in that field???? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Jimmy would do better..........and at least he hasa sense of humour and looks nice and friendly ha ha ha ha ha

;o)

Tinkerbell43 said...

If I was them, there is no way I would step foot on Portuguese soil unless the Arguido status was lifted.

The PJ imo, have not been trying to find out what happened to Madeleine so much as trying to put her parents behind bars. Why on earth should they be expected to help this process.

archer said...

Good Evening Ladies

May I commend you all for the remarkable restraint you showed earlier!!!

Posters on tws were complaining that it was 'oh so quiet tonight'.
Well, I am sure that everything has been pasted over there now! That will give them something to chew on now!

I do not think it would serve any purpose for Kate and Gerry to return to Portugal for a reconstruction NOW. Hells bells, I would not voluntarily go there with the arguido still in place. Something is very dodgy there! IMO
When Kate and Gerry sugggested this be done last year the pj stated that it 'was not the kind of thing they did, well 'what makes it 'the kind of thing that they would do now?'

JANEGT said...

TINKERBELL

Yes, indeed, I agree with your last points. They are so trnnsparent.....!!! And leaky....

Tinkerbell43 said...

Evening Archer,

The girls done well didn't they.

All the while the McCs are Arguido's there is going to be a distraction. If this reconstruction is going to be meaningful, imo they need to be cleared so that they can speak in detail about the events of that night.

Mum21 said...

Good Evening Archer.
Hope your day has gone well

archer said...

Tinks Hi

But the implications of this going ahead in late May would wreak havoc on their tourism in PDL!!

So, what do you think?

Is this for real or for reaction??

Sass said...

Hiya

How is everyone doing? Anything new? The PJ finally cracked it?

JANEGT said...

sass

don't be mad. PJ?

Cracked it?

they can't even crack an egg.

;o))))))))))))))))

archer said...

Hi Mum

Great, thank you.

Good on yer for earlier.! You can't beat an eloquent poster, can you. :¬))

Hope you had a good day too!

Sass said...

How true Jane!

archer said...

Sass Hi to you

You know my eyes are not so good.

What is that??? (will I regret asking? lol

Sass said...

Archer

Hi there! It was supposed to be animated! When animated it looks like a person walking - but I can suddenly see the point in changing it!

JANEGT said...

imho

PJ only doing an 'offer' of reconstruction knowing full well it is useless one full year on, and also the McCanns leal team will not ALLOW them to go there unless 'status' lifted, so they are baiting and badgering.

Melbel

said something really good today, that the PJ are playing cat and mouse but only the PJ do not realise THEY ARE THE MOUSE.

They are playing the McCann and the UK for idiots.

Well the Plod Jokes (PJ)

will soon be laughing on other sides of their 2 or more faces.

ok archer ... TO PRE-EMPT YOU

;O))I know faeces...... ok NOW? GOOD.

disingenuous crap. again. leaked. again. lies. again.

imho

archer said...

Hi Jane

Is your girlie is still camping?? :¬))

JANEGT said...

yes pleezz do sass as I was going to ask too...

what the hell is it? oh dear.

I was scared to ask really.......
;o)

archer said...

Jane :¬)))

Its amazing how many times that word comes in useful - in written form of course!lol almost second nature to me now. :¬((

Mum21 said...

According to Vile's blog the PJ are now using satellites in Portugal to see exactly what went on that night.
Again...why has it taken a year to do this.
When satellites were sugested months ago...the PJ were not interested.

JANEGT said...

ARCHER

hi

She is back
and the washing machine is full of mud.
That's the shorteneed by 90% version and am sure you will get my drift. ;o(((((

I also AGAIN was the taxi there and back, so am now on 'strike' and told her no more, someone else must take a turn, or simply. don't go at all.

and.....I mean it this time. ;o)))

archer said...

Sass

At first glance I thought it was a rat walking on a beam..

archer said...

Jane te he he

Yes of course you mean it. I do too when I say it - till the next time lol.

Mum21 said...

Archer...I won't tell you what it looks like to me.
But I will give you a clue....rubber.

JANEGT said...

sass

your new avatar is as 'animated' as the PJ

get rid

!!!!!

also like PJ, it doesn't work.

archer said...

Mum

Yep, I can see where you are coming from with that. ROFLMAO.

helenm said...

Tinks 1 -0

3 - 0 on aggregate

Tinkerbell43 said...

Well done Helen, Job done, for now!

JANEGT said...

MUM21

How can I put this? You seem in a most 'bullish' mood tonight.

good.

you see, Had I said sod off everyone would've said OK Jane's posting....


but when YOU said S O D O F F!!
EVERYONE TOOK NOTICE.

I am in a huff now.

NOT.

HA HA HA HA really funny. what a gang we are.

ARCHER

oddly that 'joke' was the one that my daughter calle me a 'saddo' for coz I was lierally hoooottting over the computer when I said it. It has come up a few times, in context since, and I still hoot. It was funny the first time ad still is. Or maybe I am warped. OK. fine. At least I can smile and be warped, unlike 2345.99% and all her bloggers and mods who don't know what a smile is. It would crack all their faces. (faeces) ok. Had to. I know. yaaawwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

good though, init? bovvered? moi?

am I uh , bovverred? what? gorrit/ eh? whazzat? naaaawww..

archer said...

Does anyone know if it has been commonly reported in our newspapers about the 'arguido' status of some of the investigating pj team ?

I can't recall how I knew or whether it was from you good people.

archer said...

Jane

Your sense of humour is just fine. We love you for it..keep it coming...

Although this blog is about a serious issue, it doesn't mean that we are belittling Madeleine or her family in any way.x

Mum21 said...

Hi Jane,
I have been trying to find out why animations will not work on here. Because they should do.
I have tried uploading two animations....and they won't work.

helenm said...

One report, says that JT and her partner were interviewed for a total of 10 hours. A long time to be saying 'I don't remember' isn't it?

helenm said...

Mum my fairy avatar wassupposed to be animated but that didn't work either. Good job my present avatar isn't!!!

JANEGT said...

oh dear

just did a longish post, got googled off, please report this error to google, then windows live went down. so had to switch off and start again....

boo hooooo my post's gone.

Now haven't a clue what I said, too long ago now. and what a muddle. Anyone else had an error message report from google after posting? Odd the 2 go down at same time. Google and Windows Live......!!!!!!

I am jinxed. Maybe I laughed far too loudly.

sigh.

ah well.

in that case,

it will happen again and again and again and again.

Mum21 said...

Hi Helen,
It is a good job it's not animated...te he he.

Can anyone tell me...is Claudia thick?
She now says the McCann's and our attitude towards them returning to Portugal is due to lack of caring for Madeleine.
Is she too thick to work out for herself that it is a trap set up by the PJ? They have no intention of looking for Madeleine...all they want is to put the McCanns behind bars. And they will break every police law in the book to achieve this. In my opinion of course.

Mum21 said...

Oh and of course Bianca is slagging us off. What a surprise.

JANEGT said...

OMG OMG OMG HELEN

If your avatar was animated I would have to leave.

You do know I am keying in from the convent of the sacred scowls of mearns the shepherd don't you? Unlike 2345.999% from a secure unit in cyberspace, but nonetheless, I draw the line at that.

If you did it more than once, ARCHER ARE YOU LISTENING?????

WE WOULD HAVE TO CALL YOU FAMILIAR FAECES.

I'LL BE SEEING YOU IN ALL THE OLD FAMILIAR PLACES.

ALL THE OLD FAMILIAR FAECES,
CALLING ME

LA LA LA LA LA LA LA A LALALALALAL

OUCH

THAT HURT. ONLY THROW SOFT THINGS!

JANEGT said...

NO MUM21 NOT SURPRISED AT ALL

Blanker's 'mission accomplished'.

Now she wants 'brownie points' from more saddos....ha ha ha ha so so so SO predictable. Not one original thought process in every/any head they have. Not one cell of brain power. !!!they make 'thick' the top member of mensa. And they call US cretins. what a hoooot. Imbeciles.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Mum,

Is Clawdia thick - Yes. next question, lol.

Anyone that supports child abduction and cannot distinguish between child neglect and loving parents being too trusting, is as thick as two short PJ's.

archer said...

Mum

Why that one wants to run with the hounds and hunt with the foxes is beyond me!!!! Just to stir things imo.

(Figure of speech only)

JANEGT said...

me miss me miss me miss

hands up

gasp gasp

I know the answer

q is Clawed Ear thick?

a yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes

do I get the prize now miss?????

;o))))

Tinkerbell43 said...

Jane,

She puts the dim in dimwit!

JANEGT said...

awwwww TINKS

you beat me to that serious difficult - not - question.

I will try to be quicker next time.

can I sing now?



lalalaalalalal_______________________________who flatlined me?????__________________________________________________________________________________________________________!!!!

archer said...

Jane

Settle down. We all GOT the prize that was Bianca earlier. Prize Idiot!!

JANEGT said...

ANIMATED AVATARS

got me beat.

dunno

maybe it's just as well though given some 'articles' with bare faced cheek......!!!

Rosiepops said...

Hi Mum

In my opinion, I think the PJ have been leaking lies again and 24 Horas have been making the rest up.

The sickos on Vile's site are all lapping it up like hissing spiteful wild cats.

helenm said...

That Bianca has a serious problem, she CAN'T READ!!!

Read her post on TWS 21.55 and this is what she was complaining about:

dianeh said...
Calcite

Now you have me wondering. Yesterday you were Bianca, today you are Daisy. How many people are living in your body? If you are not careful you will outdo Viv for having the most distinct personalities living inside your head.

She's telling everyone on there that we accused her of being DAISY!!! Complete nutter

archer said...

Rosie Hi

That was her intention !!!

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