Tuesday, 1 April 2008

How the McCann case highlights our true attitude towards EU membership

10th September 2007

The Madeleine McCann case highlights our true attitude towards membership of the European Union.

We think: "Why can't they get on top of this investigation?" They think: "Why don't they take their problems elsewhere and not destroy our tourist industry with their paedophile claims?"
We accept reluctantly a system imposed on us by politicians who concealed the loss of sovereignty it entailed, but Europe's still a them versus us affair.

Gordon Brown knows he'd have difficulty getting the new EU 'treaty' approved in a British referendum. That's why he's reluctant to have one.

Imagine how much more difficult it would be if the Portuguese drag Gerry and Kate McCann back to Praia da Luz and charge them with manslaughter.

For true believers in the EU, the investigation into a missing child should proceed in Praia da Luz in the same way it would in Pontypool. But it doesn't.

The Portuguese have their own way of doing things. And we appear to have no confidence in them. We'd prefer Madeleine's disappearance on May 3 to be investigated by British methods.
For instance, the crime scene - a holiday apartment - sealed and searched minutely, not given a once-over, with people tramping in and out, and afterwards re-let to holidaymakers.
Madeleine's aunt, Philomena McCann, said yesterday: "The crime scene was completely desecrated.

"Literally hundreds of people went into that apartment after Madeleine was abducted. It was at least two days before any fingerprinting was done."

The Portuguese investigation was agonisingly slow. British reporters on the scene described police activity as leisurely to non-existent. It's accepted here that the first hours in such an inquiry have to be the most intense.

The "scent of death" found in Madeleine's bedroom, on her cuddly toy, on Kate McCann's clothes and in the family's hire car - a vehicle rented weeks after Madeleine went missing - was detected by British scientists, who point out that there could be an innocent explanation.

But the McCanns say police are using it to try to force them to confess to killing their child.
Viewed from here, from day one the Portuguese investigation seemed clumsy and amateur.
Now that they've made Madeleine's parents, Gerry and Kate, official suspects - apparently on the basis of forensic evidence we helped them to gather and analyse - the British headlines reflect our doubts about the whole process.

While feeding titbits casting doubt on the McCanns to their own newspapers, Portuguese investigators were able to ban the couple from talking to the Press.

So the McCanns were unable to respond to lurid allegations other than taking legal action against one paper.

At first, police focused on a half-British man living there, Robert Murat, whom they named as an official suspect, or arguido. Their evidence?

Reporters told them he'd demonstrated an unnatural interest in the investigation. But that went nowhere, although he remains an arguido.

Not all of us think the McCanns innocent, of course. To some, their narrative has never rung true. Others think the McCanns should be prosecuted for leaving their sleeping children unsupervised.

But not even the anti-McCann group can applaud the Portuguese response to the disappearance of a three-year-old British girl.

Portugal is an old ally of Britain's, but the judicial process isn't the same. Portugal's derives from the nation's history and is matched to the nature of the country and its people. The same with ours.

This is why the EU's 'onesizefits-all' philosophy is so infuriating. A case like this exposes its weaknesses.

This isn't to say we can't co-operate with each other. As seagoing nations, Britain and Portugal have done so for centuries. And without British help, the police in Praia da Luz would have nothing to go on in the Madeleine case.

But would the 'evidence' they're using to make the McCanns official suspects warrant a prosecution here?

It's not that we're necessarily cleverer than the Portuguese. We do have our share of police malfunctions and malfeasance.

It's just that on occasions like this - the appalling loss of a child from an apparently respectable Roman Catholic family, whose doctor parents were comforted by the Pope but are now under suspicion - we are reminded that Europe is a continent of distinctly different nations.

We have been forced together by politicians who dream of enormous budgets, grand coalitions and world eminence, but have little time for recognising the forces that make nations act, and think, differently.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/columnists/columnists.html?in_article_id=480882&in_page_id=1772&in_author_id=227&in_check=N

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kiwigirl said...

Goodness, it looks as though you had a lot of 'fun' last night!

I have no idea what it means for you all to belong to the EU, being so far removed and so isolated, geographically at least, we have no clear unions to speak of - except our love/hate relationship with Australia!! Although even that is changing, at least politically now with Howard gone and Rudd in - we've had a Labour government for years over here.

However, with regards sport nationalism will always rear its head (not xenophobia, but nationalism) and the country will stop to watch the All Blacks(hopefully) beat the Wallabies or the Springboks, or the British Lions etc etc!

This is totally off the topic of Madeleine though and I hope with the PJ arriving in Britian in the next few days the investigation might be forced to move into a higher gear. A higher gear, I hope, that requires them to look for a little gil that is still mssing and release her parents from their arguido status.

Hopefully there will be more people on here later on, when I pop back in after doing some 'homework'! If not, look forward to reading you all tomorrow night.
(PS Pleased to hear that you are getting some better weather over there - it's just turned to custard here in NZ, all of 8 degrees here to night - brrrr!)

helenm said...

Hi Kiwigirl,

Yes they did, but I missed it. Hopefully the case will move forward next week with the re-interviewing of some people. That is of course if what we are reading is correct. Having said that I still think that things will still move slowly once the PJ are back in Portugal.

I see that Alsabella has re-instated her archives on her blog, although still unable to post. Think she's just playing games. Who cares?

kiwigirl said...

Hi Helen
I suspect you may right with regards the PJ. If I recall the other time they went to the UK they left again, after not hearing what they hoped to hear with regards the dreaded 'f' word, and the investigation stalled - almost totally.

I thought/hoped that once Rebelo took over the investigation there would have been more come out of it, but there has been little movement on the investigation itself it seems.

As for Alsabella, as they say, the light is on but there's no-one at home! Maybe she's been advised not to run a blog with posting capabilities - after all her site has attracted some people with questionable mental capabilities!

helenm said...

Don't know what the Daily Express is playing at but they have allowed an article about the re-interviewing of witnesses to HYS comments. Was able to view the comments, I have seen worse, and it looks like it was there yesterday as well. Just as I went to refresh the page, it came up that the article may have been deleted. Someone's playing games, but hey it is April Fools day.

helenm said...

This is a post I pinched from the DX HYS :



IS IT TRUE...
01.04.08, 2:07am

that the Express has to conform to this? The Official British Press & Media Policy for reporting the McCanns Case:

(Or the instructions and restrictions given to the media as to the context of reporting and the limitations on what the public needs to be told)

The Portuguese police are here purely to observe the process. The interviews will be carried out by Leicestershire police.

The reason for these reinterviews are to be stated as either 'clarification of', 'going over previous' or 'tying together earlier' statements. There is to be no suggestion in the analysis that there have been inconsistencies or contradictions, although reporters may allude to these briefly in discussions with news anchors that the Portuguese are unclear about some of the timelines. All and any such references to contradictions must be referred to as 'alleged'.

The Jane Tanner interview snippet from Panorama can be shown, but not dissected. No reference should be made to any inconsistencies or contradictions in her statements or the evolution of these statements from her original description of the abductor to the police. No suspicions should be raised or inferred with regard to any of the friends.

It shall be made clear that the McCanns are not to be requestioned. If absolutely necessary, the phrase 'at this time' may be added, but should be avoided if possible.

ALL reporting must emphasise the McCann's denial of any wrongdoing and all references to Madeleine must state that she is four, or was about to turn four at the time of the disappearance.
Any outside broadcasts from Leicestershire at the time of the questionings must attempt, wherever possible, to source quotes from the McCann's spokesman. If not, a preprepared statement will be made available to the reporter on scene and this must be used as part of the report.

You should have never apologized to that couple, they are guilty of neglect in Portugal under article 138 of the Portuguese Penal Code.

• Posted by: Pukka • Report Comment

This post is very much in the same vein that ANA (aka Alsabella) posted yesterday on TWS.

melbel said...

Morning all
I do feel European, as well as English,after foreign holidays and being enriched by meeting a diversity of people,in my own land.
I think that this is down to the people, rather than the institutions and they will always fail,in trying to shoehorn us into the one model,where standards vary, so widely.
I can categorically state, that in my own country, a compromised policeman, accused of torture and witholding evidence,facing charges himself,would not be heading up an investigation, like this. Fact.
I have never witnessed a case here, where there were daily leaks, from a high source, in PJ, according to Times newspaper.There would be a national outcry, here, an investigation forced and heads would rightly roll. Fact.
Gagging your arguidos, at the same time as spinning against them and trying to discredit them, shows dishonesty, corruption and laziness to me, that you are not accountable.
This Portugese force have lost any claim to be a decent, modern and progressive force and their integrity is now seriously compromised.
This case, is followed round the world and many, from different lands, are appalled at the contradictions and Human rights violations, in respect of this couple.
Look at Vile's site, an old rehashed tabloid newspaper article, the Proprietor having already had to apologise and pay damages, for similiar articles, in his group.Also, see the face of two innocent children, put there for all to see.Vile sees no contradiction in this.No decency there, Vile and you call yourself the self styled advocate for children.You are a b...dy disgrace.
I agree with anon, that the Portugese will face international humiliation,in the climbdown we will shortly see.
Do they suppose,that the people will allow a fudged carryon, on the lines of "Well, we had evidence, but it was not enough, so we had to clear them, but we think them guilty "?
Forget that, because the majority of us, consider them innocent of harming their daughter
, other than the fact that they were left unsupervised.
We are far more than half a dozen geriatric patients, anon [are not you a trifle ageist ?]
This particular one , has seen direct action, over many a year, with various causes and will be pleased to join any protest or vigil.
There would be such an outcry now, if the PJ did try to extradite, because, we have lost any faith in you and you have done this, all by yourself.
You have tried to use third world communication and persuasion standards to a sophisticated world audience, where you could not beat them up, or possibly kick them down the stairs.
What about the Joana case, as it makes it's way to the European Court ?Where countries are in denial and do not even have a paedophile register, how can we have a level playing field ?
Portugal need us, a darned sight more than we need it.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

melbel said...

Hi HELEN
Isn't this a good example of how lies and rumours spread and the mischief makers in operation?
I think that Southerncross, is notdoc's psychiatric alter ego.Think he is brought on re disorders of the mind, as notdoc not a medical doc and not psychidoc.What a fantasist !

Sass said...

Hiya Melbel

Just on troll patrol!

On Saturday there was a huge anti-EU protest in Austria as the Austrian people doesn't want to lose, among other things, their neutrality.

I think trying to force so many people, as you said, to behave and think the same way is just ridiculous.

According to the EU there are now regions (not countries). One region is a part of Britain plus a part of France. What on earth is the point of that? You can't just bundle together parts of different countries - countries that have a different language, different customs and traditions. Where in the world has that worked?

I do agree, however, that certain things about the EU are great - travelling and working abroad without visas being especially important in my case.

The lack of borders between the Schengen countries I find a lousy idea - it's far too easy for criminals to get far away very quickly.

I agree with Melbel - who thought up the concept of forbidding your suspects from saying anything while allowing the PJ to bad-mouth them to the press? How can that be fair???

Got to go.

Sass (apparently a 39-year old geriatric patient)

melbel said...

Hi Sass
You have probably gone now, but I agree the porous borders, make it harder for catching criminals.
How are our POlice Force going to feel, about working with some national EEC Forces, when even the UK laboratory and the inventor of this forensic profiling,have had to come out and caution the Portugese, that the evidence is not showing, what they want it to do ?
Quite correct, to treat the parents,as suspects, right off, as would happen here, but they have done it back to front and he spinning is disgraceful,designed to pressure and break them.
Who on earth is supposed to have said, from their legal team,that they and friends will not cooperate,with questions ?What lawyer would say that ?
They peddle lies and have met more than their match, with this family and the British public.
Course,it is all secrecy again, when it suits the Portugese, slip in and slink away, tail between legs and then a massive backpedalling,with their own public.
They do not do "eat humble pie ", do they ?
Where is the accountability there ?
Did you note the identifiable child, on Vile's site, one of the two, whose profile has not been put in the public domain, by it's parents ?They should be in touch with Google,or the parent's legal advisers.All for a cheap shot, at the McCanns.An utter disgrace.
Did you compare, how many times our blog uses sourced and substantiated articles from quality newspapers and the number Felicity uses ?
Did she ever use one ?.I doubt it.
It is all tabloid pap.

Sass said...

Hiya Melbel

Vile tends to write her own opinions on her blog whereas I always use a newspaper article and Rosie does a bit of both, plus asks questions. It must take Rosie ages to get her contributions ready. Mandz has also been a little treasure (love ya loads Mandz mwah mwah) sending me lots of ideas for articles.

As you say, make the parents suspects but follow procedure. Don't leak to the press which will only ensure that there is no fair trial.

I often wonder what would have been done differently if they had known that the McCanns wouldn't keep quiet and that this story would be in the news for so long.

I also wonder why the relationship between the PJ and the McCanns changed so quickly. The official reason was that the PJ had found evidence that the McCanns had something to do with their daughter's disappearance, but I do wonder, and this is just an alleged opinion (just covering myself here - no that makes no sense!!!) if it was maybe that they were just fed up with the whole case and wanted arrests to get the thing over and done with.

((waves))V to all the people who are never here but know all our comments off by heart!

helenm said...

Melbel,

I se on TWS that a poster called Madge has asked TW to take down the photograph heading her post this a.m. In fact she posted originally at 0751 and reposted her request again at 12.37. She feels like you (and me) that this photograph should not be put in the public domain, that the children should be protected no matter what parents involvement. She went on to say that she would feel hypocritical if she continued to post there. Well said Madge for sticking to your principles.

A few comments so far from posters saying that it is up to TW to do as she sees fit as it is her blog.

Sass said...

Helen

What does TW stand for?

By the way I deliberately didn't make the first post this morning!

melbel said...

Hiya Sass
Thought I was on my tod,and you know what they do to people,who talk to themselves !
Yes,the replacement chief investigator, said that if you are in a hole, you just have to dig deeper.
What pressures can this man be under, that we know nothing about ?
I cannot believe all the waffling, there has been on this case, all the spinning out,when they have admitted there is no evidence.
They were made arguidos, they say, on the forensic evidence,but this could not have proved what they wanted,as they would not be, where they are today.The McCs would be arrested.
They would not be allocating a couple of days to this, if they were on to anything, I do not think.
Vile invited the poster saying she was Madeleine's gran, on to her site.
Spiteful Claudia, experiencing separation anxiety, from her boss, one of the Assabellas,was quick to put the boot in.
Are these people for real ?
What normal person would want to step into that nest of vipers ?

Tinkerbell43 said...

For the record, I cannot wait for the PJ to arrive. In fact, I am probably looking forward to it more than them!

IMO, these inconsistencies, if there are any, only exist because the PJ have allowed them to. These could have been ironed out months ago. The friends have said on many occasions, they are more than happy to co-operate and clear up any misunderstandings as are Gerry & Kate. I wonder what part of that the PJ didnt understand!

I think quite a few people are going to be disappointed when this pending visit is over, imo, it is nothing more than a mere formality of tying up all loose ends.

Hi & bye all!

melbel said...

Just saw you there,Helen.
Madge does seem more decent than her usual class of punter.
I bet Vile could not wait to get that cheap pop in,against the parents.
No lawyer this and no PO, either !
People who have never experienced sudden deaths or trauma, may not know, that it is quite normal, to experience the depths of despair and also, to smile, all within one day or hour !
Must have led sheltered lives.
Should be more like us Lancashire lasses.x

Sass said...

Melbel

You sort of are on your tod, just looking in every now and then for a troll patrol!

I certainly felt sorry for replacement bod when he had to take over the whole thing. It must have a been a nightmare.

The whole thing is so long and drawn out, but I don't get the impression it is taking so long because so much is happening - rather that it is being wound down without a conclusion.

Sass said...

Hi and bye Tinks! Don't worry - am on troll patrol!

melbel said...

Hi and bye Tinks
Spot on and no flies on you, my friend.
It sounds basic junior bobby stuff, to me, ask the questions and get the answers.
No timelines established yet ? A disgrace, after all this time.
It is all chattering and Chinese whispers, in my view, just bumble on and make a noise. Look as if you have got something and are doing something substantial.
There has to be a day of reckoning and it has come..
Bring it on.

melbel said...

Hi SASS
Will have to do a bit of yodelling, if so.
I ignore those I wish to, so am hysing, really.
Will have to pop off soon, as daughter having some signs of baby arriving.May not be the real mccoy,yet.
She did not want an April fool birth.
Bye and take care x

Sass said...

Just had a look at the picture you mentioned Melbel.

Also read the comments. Someone has said that "it was suggested" on the 3 Arguidos site that the GB government had to approve the questions to be asked to the Tapas 7. In other words it is totally unsubstantiated - how long do you reckon it will be before this is a "fact"???

Sass said...

Melbel

Bye! Hope everything goes well!

calcite51 said...

Good morning, kiwigirl, Melbel and Sass.

I can't comment on this article as I don't have a lot of knowledge of it - I'm assuming it's like Canada becoming members with NAFTA (North America Free Trade Association). If yes, then it has created more problems for Canada.

I read the comments last nite - you had a full house last nite. Glad that Diane contacted Mr. Mitchell regarding the Mrs. Healey issue. I also see it has become the bone of contention on the Vile blog - what a bunch. Clawdia seems to be getting more and more bitter and twisted - she should seek help for this problem.

As for the PJ's - the time is more than overdue for them to get to England and tie-up loose ends. I doubt the inconsistencies are as huge as some people think they are.

Have to get ready for work - keep up the good work.

melbel said...

Thanks Sass.Appreciate that.
Just wanted to say one last thing about grief reactions.
Since the couple, do not know what they are ultimately facing yet,or whether the child is living,which we fervently hope,is the case,they are bound to have complex reactions.There are no rules, regulations or protocols for this.
After this length of time, people would have totally buckled,or, for the sake of the children, they will have done the best they could, in the circumstances, try to carry on, even though the grief and despair,frequently break through.

Sass said...

Just actually read the bumph under the title of Vile's site. Gave me quite a laugh.

We didn't lose Madeleine in "vein" (that is reminiscent of the Fantastic Journey). Freedom to speak about the case was also quite a side-splitter. Freedom to speak if you are a raving anti would be far nearer the truth IMO!

Hysterical stuff indeed!

Sass said...

Hiya Calcite

Have a good day!

When you get the time I have a question - in which way did NAFTA cause problems for Canada?

melbel said...

Hiya Calcite
Some of the newspapers,the usual suspects,have always been against the EEC.I think it has a lot of value, but people feel that the institutions, are remote and out of touch.I, personally feel,that it is our best chance, though I know that a lot do not agree, or are apathetic.
How we will go on, though,with all these different ideas of what is
a just and fair way, to treat suspects, is anyone's guess.
I have never known the like of this, in Europe and many people, are angry and it is bound to spill over, into people holidaying elsewhere.
It is unfair when we hear that the search for this child, has been abandoned, at an early stage.
I have no time for all this cheerleadering and blind patriotism and feeling that our institutions, cannot be criticised.
You have to look at the bigger picture, I think.
You will be late for work, if you wait for me, so all the best, friend from big hearted Canada.

Sass said...

Melbel

One brilliant example I have of a Brit not considering herself European is this. I still crack up when I think about it.

I went swimming with my best friend in Britain - we must have been about 25 at the time. I had my swimming costume under my clothes so didn't bother going into a changing room just stripped off in front of the locker and shoved my clothes in. Now don't imagine music was playing and I was standing there with come hither eyes - just took my clothes off shoved them in the locker. My friend was absolutely horrified!!!

She gave me this withering look and said "What DO you think you're doing - you're not in Europe now, you now!"

helenm said...

Sassy,

TW = that woman, can't bear to give her/him a name.

Can't compete with Kiwigirl, tried my best, seeing as it was 2 a.m. when I went to bed didn't do too badly!

Missed everything last night, I shall refuse all invitations for dinner and spend the night with you ladies!!lol

Catch up later.

Melbel, there was something I picked up on yesterday, did you say clack handed? I always say cack

Sass said...

Thanks Helen. Don't think TW is ever called by her real name anyway! I think "Vile" is most fitting!

I fell asleep last night at about 8.00 my time and woke at midnight to say "bye"!!!

calcite51 said...

Sass, while both the stronger powers (Canada and US) agreed on many issues there were certain issues they have been unable to agree on - most of them are natural resources - ie lumber.

NAFTA affected the pricing structure and in some cases, it was reducing the profits and of course, neither Canadian companies or US companies wanted this to happen. And I think NAFTA has also been blamed for the loss of jobs in Canada/US. Some Canadian companies have moved to Mexico because of cheaper labour.

In any case, I've noticed that the candidates running for the US presidency have promised a review of the NAFTA agreement.

Sass said...

Thanks Calcite!

One party in particular in Austria uses the "we will take Austria out of the EU" thing for their campaigns. Am not too sure how much a signed contract with the EU can actually be reviewed. Don't know enough about the whole thing in general I reckon!

melbel said...

Helen
Meant cack and not clack.
It is the Yorkies corrupting me.
After all, they bray children round here ie give them a smack.I was horrified, years back,when my neighbour said this.I have been away, a long time.I like the Yorkies, though.
Even got called a "wessie", by some East Riding people, whose billiard table, we took over, while on our annual street charabanc trip.I joke not x

helenm said...

Melbel,

Yorkies, (mmm) there you go again bringing chocolate into my mind.

Sass said...

HelenM

The truckers' chocolate! Always bring British chocolate back here - the stuff you get here doesn't really do it for me!

If I go to Slovenia (half an hour to the border and then about 15 minutes to the nearest big town) I can buy Cadbury's which is great!

melbel said...

It is really, comical ,Sass.
If you read the DE threads on this subject, too, it is comical and I enjoy throwing in the odd contradictary remark.
Cheap travel, has broadened our horizons and people are people and the same anywhere.
They must play fair, though and have a level playing field and innocent until proven guilty and their institutions must reflect this, as a basic minimum.

Sass said...

Exactly Melbel - I too think that is the bare minimum!

melbel said...

Sorry,Helen that my free bus pass, does not cover Spain,or I could drop you a few off.
My American sister in law,adores our Mars bar, which, although it is an American firm,their bars, do not taste the same.
He filled a whole suitcase with them, was pulled in for questioning and then got a free upgrade.

melbel said...

Well, off now, pals.The goose is getting fat ie me and I need to take a stroll.Typical April weather, showers and sun,which I love.
Enjoyed the talking and you all take care x x x

Sass said...

See you Melbel!

I was asked why I had a suitcase full of chocolate when I went to see my brother! I told the woman at customs it's because my brother hates Hershey's and she laughed and said "do you know how often I hear that?".

Bye

Sass said...

JoJam

If you're looking in, I hope you're OK (as OK as you can be in the circumstances, that is!)

Jojam said...

Hi sass, I'm ok. Thanks everyone for all your kind thoughts & words yesterday.

With regards to todays post......I think that certain aspects of the EEC work but given the cultural diversity I do not see complete unity happening in my liftime......still poles apart on many things........

Have a good afternoon.

Sass said...

Hiya JoJam

Glad to hear it.

Living abroad makes you realise just how different life in a different country is. I can't see everyone in Europe living by the same standards, etc, especially as the EU is expanding constantly to encompass different religions and ideologies.

Jojam said...

Hi Sass,
Yes, I think it is good that we work together on many things, but feel it is important to retain each country's individual culture and Values.........we can not agree on everything but at least the fighting is done with words!

Sass said...

JoJam

Exactly - wasn't that the original idea of the EU, to avoid future wars in Europe?

As soon as you try to force people to behave like a different group they are going to rebel. It didn't work in former Yugoslavia, nor in Russia.

helenm said...

Melbel,

I don't live in Spain, I live in Portugal. You could always hitch a ride back with the PJ!! but make sure you have many months (if not years!!!) left on your passport!

Just got back from raiding Baptista supermercado of their cadbury's creme eggs!! thought 4 should satisfy my cravings!!! No Yorkies though.

Sass said...

Helen

Just a real quickie cos I'm off out - how long have you been living in Portugal?

helenm said...

Sassy,

It will be three years this October. Bought the house 4 years ago.

helenm said...

You may have noticed from one of my posts that I succumned(?spelling)and bought cadbury creme eggs. However, I can tell you that the Baptista supermercado in PDL is still displaying pictures of Madeleine. The resort does seem fairly quiet but I am unable to say whether this is unusual or not. Wouldn't have entered my head this time last year.

chinadoll said...

Hi Everyone (if there is anyone around)

Just got in and saw this in the Daily Telegraph - online version....


Madeleine McCann's parents to learn of case against them
By Natalie Paris and agencies
Last Updated: 5:15pm BST 01/04/2008



The parents of Madeleine McCann could be given access to the Portuguese police's files on them within a fortnight, one of their lawyers has said.

All the latest in the hunt for Madeleine McCann
Rogerio Alves said the police case against the McCanns could be made public on April 14, when the official secrecy period covering the hunt for the missing girl comes to an end.

The Portuguese lawyer said this period could only be extended in major inquiries, such as those involving terrorism and organised crime.

Portuguese detectives will travel to the UK on Monday to spend the week re-interviewing the seven friends on holiday with the McCanns when Madeleine went missing.

Kate and Gerry McCann, from Rothley, Leicestershire, remain formal suspects in the case but have not been charged and deny all wrongdoing.

Clarence Mitchell, the couple's spokesman, welcomed the lawyer's comments and called for the "arguido" status to be lifted.

Mr Mitchell said: "We would hope that the police will do the decent and proper thing and open up the files.

"I would go further than that, and say once they have completed the interviews with the the friends, they should go back to Portugal and assess the evidence and eliminate Kate and Gerry and allow everyone once again to concentrate on the search for Madeleine

Mandz said...

Hi..

I think the EU has its benefits however as mentioned it makes it a lot easier for criminals to come and go which is not a good thing.

I just wanted “that” police force to have done their very best (their job) just what I would expect here however the fact that we know they have not is absolutely unforgivable and disgraceful in my opinion. Every police force regardless of what Country they are in should do basis universal police work including gathering forensic evidence etc. This was a missing girl aged 3 years she deserved better than this.

Mandz said...

Thank you CHina for that! Waw...very interesting!

JANEGT said...

Good evening everybody-
dinner on so popped in

CHINADOLL

yes, see your Telegraph article. Leaves out rather more than it says.....what of Murat? His arguido status? Lifted also or what????? Can't leave him out or in limbo if they do this. His lawyer will go berserk.....too much unexplained here.

MANDZ

I agree totally with you. I would call vociferously for an Amber Alert EEC if not world wide system of policing and immediate actions to be done visibly by ALL POLICE IN EVERY COUNTRY to do with any missing child. It is clearly long overdue. As part of the EEC Portugal must instigate same policies and procedures. This has to be a good outcome of this tragic case so it never happens like this again.

JANEGT said...

HELEN

I used to love creme eggs as a kid. Too sweet for me now, but daughter can easily eat 3 on the go. AARRRGGGHHHH.

chinadoll said...

Hi Mandz,

Interesting indeed - that's what I thought.

My opinion, is that the pj have no choice other than to come over and seek clari...fication on the witness statements (as they have been bleating about it for months)

They reaslise that the evidence they have been placing so much significance on, is worthless and the merit that was placed on same, which led to the arguido status, was incorrect.

chinadoll said...

Hi Jane,

The article only quoted the McCann lawyers, as they made the statement.....I have not read any statement from Murats lawyer/representative, so cannot comment. He has had his computers returned, so they are possibly winding down the investigation.

The sooner that K & G have access to the file, the better. There might just be something in there, that has been missed/misinterpreted, that could lead to the whereabouts of Madeleine.

Mandz said...

Oh Jane creme eggs yum..!

Mandz said...

Do you think the McCann's will get an apology? Will they close the case? Will they start looking for Maddie..?

Gerry was so right too little too late...(How sad and tragic)..

I heard on the radio yesterday that they are coming next tue and will stay until the friday.

JANEGT said...

CHINADOLL

Remember Murat's lawyer said 'bloody McCanns noone wants you here go home' ... Then when they did, they 'ran away' ha ha ha

He is such a polinker that lawyer of Murat's but hs weill most certainly push for Murat's status to be clari-fied sooner, as he was made arguido before McCanns....you know what he is like. Bites ankles little happie dog... ;o(((

MANDZ

Odd how when you ore lder things taste 'sweeter' than you recall as a kid. I got daughter 3 large Easter Eggs this year and she ate them as a 'snack' between meals. Good Grief.....

I prefer lovely strong cheeses and savouries rather than sweet things. When I am given boxes of chocolates, I never, ever eat them so my daghter benefits then too. Not fair is it?????

JANEGT said...

MANDZ

I heard it was Monday they come and questionning starts on Tuesday 8th.....in Leicestershire Mercury yesterday that I copied and posted somewhere. They allow 2 - 3 days for this. So hopefully at long last things will be clearer by 10 April??? Hmmmm. If we believe itthat is.

I can't stop thinking of Murat's position in all this though, as he was made arguido first, therefore his time runs out sooner, so his lawyer must be pushing right now for his release too.....!!!!!!


I fear they will not start to look at all, after all they haven't for 10 months now in my view. In two days we enter the beginning of the TWELFTH MONTH FOR G'S SAKE.....

ridiculous.

JANEGT said...

off to wrestle with plates now for Dinner.

see you later folks, have fun.....

;o))

helenm said...

Hi Ladies,

As you may have read I did promise that I would forego any further dinner invitations and spend the night with you lovely ladies!aw!
Hover, I have just been informed by hubby in England that Man U are playing Roma in the Champrions League so I may have to disappear for a while. Need time away to scoff creme eggs anyway!!lol.

Usually like you Jane, love savoury over sweet, especially ripe bries and other smelly cheeses, but none of this would have happened if I had been bought an easter egg at the time. The craving for chocolate has just increased!

helenm said...

Mandz I'll think you'll find that the arguido status can be effective for 12 months. April 11/14th or thereabouts is the time limit for the extension for the PJ to complete their enquiries.

chinadoll said...

Mandz,

I am in and out of the office at the moment, but to answer you question, No I do not think they will get an apology from the pj, as this would look too much like an admission that they got it wrong.

Unfortunately, I think the case may be shelved and the pj will say something to the effect that they are not looking for anyone else in connection with Madeleines disappearance......leaving a nasty inference that K & G were involved.

However, as I said earlier, the parents will have the legal right to see the file - and we all know, they will not stop looking for dear Madeleine.

In addition, I think the arguido status will be lifted sometime prior to September and the McCanns will no longer be gagged and at last, will be able to speak out, without fear of prosecution.

Mandz said...

I agree Jane what is happening with Murrat? His Lawyers was another one...if you know what I mean!

chinadoll said...

Janegt,

Yes, I remember that disgusting and unprofessional comment from Murats lawyer. I could not believe my eyes when I read his statement, which was publicised in many papers - and I never read a denial.

Mandz said...

I see Helen.. well the next few days will be interesting then!

China!
I bet you're right they will leave “that” hanging over them allowing the witch hunter to keep pointing the finger etc however if the McCann's lawyers get to see this then surely they can sue perhaps? It will be very difficult for them to go out physically and appeal with that suspicion hanging over them.

chinadoll said...

Oh and another thing. When Murats lawyer made the statement that the McCanns should go home as they were no longer wanted, I remember plenty of the antis' on the DX agreeing with same - yet, when they did leave, they were up in arms - even though they left with the consent of the pj and the authorities (having already extended their stay there to cooperate with the investigation)

Mandz said...

Helen!

Do you like living there? Just curious!

Mandz said...

That's right China they are never happy are they! I remember them saying that. Damned if they do and dambed of they do not..sick sick sick...

In my opinion the lawyer should have stayed professional and kept QT. You don't see the McCann lawyer in Portugal stating anything about Murat..

chinadoll said...

Mandz,

I am hoping that the DX will hand over the identities of the Portuguese sources that released the untrue and libellous comments that the family had to endure for so long.

In addition, once the arguido status is released, the McCanns can tell the world their story and we will all hear the details of this awful nightmare - which will not paint the pj in a good light.

Unfortunately, little Madeleine now only has her parents, to spearhead the search for her, as it is clear the pj stopped searching a long time ago - or so it seems from the reports I have read.

Personally, I would like to see the pj accept a review from an external police force - but they have refused same on more than one occasion already, so that seems unlikely.

Mandz said...

hahaha...Apologies for me spelling!

melbel said...

Hi China, Mandz and Helen and Jane and anyone popping up, before I have finished
Thanks for posting article,China.it is interesting, that it says that the secrecy period can only be extended for major stuff, such as terrorism and major crime. We will have to see, but I put money on them being cleared.
Peeked on TwS and noted Bianca, going in typically, with all guns blazing, accusing us of sanctioning the poster, who said she was the gran [Maya ]
Never reads things properly, calls us all cretins, on several occasions and will never be replied to , by me, for one, if she puts her twopennyworth in.
Are we boverred ?Narrrrrh.

Mandz said...

Let’s hope they do China!

Yes at least the McCann’s can tell us what the PJ did to them and a warning to them that parents will not sit back and accept this sickening treatment. The McCann’s need to keep searching for her and keep her in the media because she might just be out there.
As for another police force to investigate surely we have a right to go and investigate if the case is shelved – as a British citizen I thought Scotland Yard had a right?

helenm said...

Mandz,

Yes I do. We have been holidaying in Portugal for 27 years, and inally decided to settle here. I must say though that the disappearance of Madeleine has brought to the fore the vulnerability of living here, depending on governments, police and local councils (camera's) that really we know nothing about. People might say that if you are law abiding then you have nothing to fear. Wish it were as simplistic as that. We have lovely Portuguese neighbours and try to integrate with the locals in the village. That is why we are learning the Portuguese language. However, it has not been plain sailing and have encountered arrogance from some 'officials' beyond belief. Still, it is a beautiful place to live and nowhere is perfect.

One of my observations is that many Portuguese people are very proud of their country and that in itself can make them often blinkered.

melbel said...

Some really good points, China and Mandz.Hope they really let rip, once this arguido status, is lifted.
I am sure we only know the tip of the iceberg, in how this family have been treated and how dire, this investigation,has been.
Pity that the trail has gone cold and how could private tecs, constrained by the same police, get that far?
I pray that they could be on to something, but when the guy in charge of the private eyes, was boasting before Christmas, it was heart rending..Still, they could have kicked him, into touch and did not, so who knows ? We can just hope and pray.
An enquiry is essential.
I was going to say that our Coroners have jurisdiction, but that is only if a person is found to be dead, while abroad.
What an utter mess.The family try hard to be positive.You just never know.

melbel said...

Helen Up the Reds.
May the strength be with them.x

Mandz said...

Hi Melbel!

Bianca is a double sided coin.. I’ve seen her slate us Proz -she looks in to see who or what she can pick on!

If the person is the Gran then my heart goes out to her however if she is not then she is NOT.

melbel said...

Bet you are all watching Eastenders, which I usually do, but not if Baianca and Rickooooooyyyyyyy are back in the series.That piercing voice !

Mandz said...

Yes come on REDZ.......!

Mandz said...

Melbel,

Yes it is on as I type and was thinking the same BBbiiiaanncaaa !!!

Mandz said...

Melbel,
I am not a fan of Met3 for saying that however surely they must have something on this case? Surely the McCann's have advisers looking into the evidence so far because they have given them an extended contract.

What is happening in East enders? Biiiaanncaa is going mental…!

JANEGT said...

We did NOT SANCTION MAYA one bit, not at all. My post said more than that.....Bianca is two faced and has come here to disrupt before. We had a truce because I hate this. Now, if she is yet again not understanding what we post, the truce is off, as are the gloves.

Maya was NOT MRS HEALY NOR MRS MCCANN. simple as that. Acreepa was doubting Thomas, proveably also.

As usual they think us stupid and up to the silly games they play. We are not playing, we are serious and this will dawn on them once next week is over and we are still caimpaigning and their PJ are brought to book.

let's see them laugh and post then !!!! Noone welcomed Maya. Noone welcomed Doubting Thomas acreepa.........

Not at all.

They judge us by their own warped, twisted, stupid, pig ignorant standards. The names they call us beggar belief. Thick Planks as they are.

TRUTH AND JUSTICE will out. You can be sure of that. Madeleine is what matters here, not their pride, not their stupidity, not their excuses. No.

JANEGT said...

MANDZ

I have seen Susan Healy's posts. She posts under her OWN NAME Sue. She was not the person last night impersonating her, just see the feedjit map. As if she would post under her cat's name Maya. How ridiculous. This is a pro McCann blog, she would have been more than proud to show her name hee. This beggars belief. The trolls were out in force last night elsewhere too. doesn't work.

They are on the back foot.

melbel said...

Mandz
If the investigation is shelved, I think that there would be a lot of pressure on our Government,to take it on.
Mandolin, a Portugese poster, on TWS [think it was him]said that the first thing that Gordon did, after signing the Lisbon treaty, was to ask about Madeleine.
Do not know, if true or false, but know I must be one of many, to write to Gordon re this, so would not be surprised if it was a topic of conversation.

Read in Guardian today, that in Scotland, on April Fool's day, you have to kick someone's bum, on the way to work.
Shucks, did I fall for their annual
April Fool's day joke ? I usually do.

melbel said...

Hi Jane
Objected to us being called cretin, three times, by her,today.
So politicially correct [not ].

JANEGT said...

ha ha ha HELEN

this will go down in history I feel, the 'lack' of Easter Eggs in 2008. hee hee

;o))))))

Mandz said...

I don’t see what the attraction is coming here and pretending to be another pro poster? In no way does it make us look stupid or foolish however it makes them look pathetic individuals.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Evening All,

I think Maya was unfortunately a fraud! How sick and deranged some individuals are. I think it was Dianeh that has forwarded her posts on to the Authorities and to Clarence.

The only person Maya showed up was herself as the poor excuse for a human being that she is!

Mandz said...

Melbel

I heard this also on TV that Gordon Brown asked about her and I also listened to GMTV presenter who said that before he came on to the show he had to console himself before speaking about her. Well done our PM however he may have had to distance himself due to the sick status.

Tinkerbell43 said...

I should bloody well hope Gordon Brown did have a flea in the ear of the Portuguese PM. Madeleine is a British citizen and I would have heavily criticised him if he hadn't.

BTW, come on you Reds!!! My team plays tomorrow night!

melbel said...

Evening Tinks and a pleasure to see you.
It is sad,that some people,give false information, in police investigations,etc and it is often attention seeking behaviour.
There is no excuse,to do this, where we are talking about a tragic little girl.

Mandz said...

Tinks,

it was reported on the news - he did ask and I remember him on GMTV saying that he was concerned and that no child should be away from their parents for this long and worrying.

I suppose to go as far as to write a letter and now pretend you’re the grandmother is really really sick..What are we up against.. they really are cretins.

JANEGT said...

whoever told you that re the scots on april fool's day

was DOING AN APRIL FOOL ON YOU.

IT IS NONSENSE. NOT AT ALL.

ALL APRIL FOOL'S JOKES HAVE TO BE MADE BEFORE NOON ON THAT DAY. AFTER THAT THEY DO NOT COUNT, NOR BEFORE MIDNIGHT.

and Haggis don't fly, we do not wear kilts daily, and do not have red curly hair either......!!!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Melbel,

Lol, so we've been called cretins 3times today, well thats rich coming from the person that has more faces than Big Ben. Still I'm sure we wont lose any sleep over it, lol.

SeaWitch said...

Jane,

Do you drink lots of whiskey and let someone else pay for the round, though....?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Yippeee, 1-0

melbel said...

Very true.Gordon's baby girl died, poor little soul, didn't she ?
I bet if you did a poll of MPs, the vast majority would support the Mccs, because the claptrap, they have tried to feed us, from Portugal, is not credible.The only thing that has the ring of truth about it, is abduction.

melbel said...

Ha Ha Jane
They got me there.What a nitwit, I am.
Evening Seawitch.
I am still laughing at what you wrote re the |PJ, throwing their toys,out of the pram, on account of Gran's Army.

Mandz said...

Seawitch!!

No we do not!!! But do you..?!

helenm said...

1 - 0 to Man U half time

JANEGT said...

SEAWITCH

I know the repuation Scots have and it is garbage. In fact, if you didn't buy 'your round' you wre left, alone, friendless for good. that is THE worst sin you can ever commit.

whisky? sadly can't stand the stuff. I am sure it is probably my loss but no. The smell alone is awful. I know when you have a cold or flu hot toddy is supposedly an aid, but not for me. No thanks...........

I do like haggis though, but nly have it maybe 2 or 3 times a year, not every morning for breakfast in my kilt, sporrant, red hair whilst kicking kids out door MELBEL ha ha ha ha ha You'eve been had, I did enjoy it. hee hee hee hee

Panorama once did a spoof on spaghetti trees that took a lot of people in apparently, it was on tv recently. ;o)))

archer said...

Good evening everyone

Melbel - I loved your posts from this morning and particulary applaud the 1027hrs one.

Having read some posts on 'TWS' the suspense re the 'PJ' visit is clearly too much for some of them, they are all but going into melt-down. Evil beggars! Bianca doesn't know whether to wag her tail or lick her balls...(oops am I allowed to say that?)...:¬)

Sass said...

Hi everyone

I had a quick read through and learn that we have been called cretins on Vile's blog? Wow, I'm astounded! Actually that's about the nicest thing we've been called there - they're slacking off!

helenm said...

What team would that be TINKS?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Helen,

The one that never walks alone :0)

melbel said...

Nice one Helen.
Ever go in the Spinning Wheel ?[left a p out, first time ]

SeaWitch said...

Melbel,

I hope you've hidden your pension book in a vault in an offshore bank!

If the PJ do come knocking on your door with a writ, remember to ask them whether they've found Madeleine McCann, yet....!

;-)

Mandz said...

Hahahahaha can't stop laughing Archer - well said!!!!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Archer,

Wag her tail or lick her balls, ROFLMAO!! I like!

JANEGT said...

ha ha SASS

yes, complimentary by their standards or lack of.....

SEAWITCH

is your computer working now?

JANEGT said...

evening ARCHER


ooooohhhh.... you are awful


llllyyyy funny. ha ha ha

Tinkerbell43 said...

Melbel,

It may also be a good idea if you could have a poster to hand, so that you can remind them what Madeleine looks like!

chinadoll said...

Hi Everyone,

Went off for dinner. Have I missed much?

helenm said...

Tinks, is that because they can't run?rotfl haa ha aha

melbel said...

Hiya Archer
Hope you are well.Thanks for that. Gone shy now.
I used to do flying posts, at DE, in the mornings and then turn off, for an hour. Much nicer here,among friends and I firmly believe that we represent the mainstream people.
Meant to say, your daughter did well to get offers from all those unis,including Warwick.Good luck to her x

Mandz said...

And Melbel,

Give them a notpad please to write on!

helenm said...

Chinadoll, still waiting for you to de code BHTC

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hey Sass,

How ya doin ?

Melbel, I had a look in Casa Crud, I thought if you can do it so can I. I see both you and Calcite have been keeping Claptrap busy with all that ammunition she's compiling, lol.

helenm said...

'Spinning Wheel' what den of iniquity is that then Melbel?

chinadoll said...

HelenM,

I looked back and saw Rosiepops explained it. I liked some of your guesses though lol

JANEGT said...

oh dear helen

you haven't even got the letters right

HBTC


=

happy birthday to china


NO WONDER YOU COULDN'T SOLVE IT.....

TSK TSK TSK

;O))))

helenm said...

That's ok Chinadoll, thought maybe Rosie was doing an April fool.

Got to go, second half

JANEGT said...

CHINADOLL IS 99 NOW. LOOKS GOOD DOESN'T SHE


???

;O ;O) ;O) ;O)

SeaWitch said...

Mandz and Jane,

Hehehe!

Nah, I do all the driving so never have to buy a round!

And the English aren't renowned for their ability to hold their liquor, are they? If I tried whiskey I'd be hospitalized within the hour.

(You know what I did to my computer, and that was sober!)

Sadly, Jane, the Laptop is not recoverable so am having to share. I am reduced to asking the offspring for a go on theirs!

Tee Hee! Silly old witch....

Sass said...

Hiya Tinks and Jane

How ya doing?

helenm said...

Jane,

I'll deal with you later!!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hey Helen,

They dont need to, especially when it will be a walk in the park :0)

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hey Seawitch,

I'm certainly not good at holding mine, thats why I dont drink any more. One glass of wine I'd want to go home to bed, 2 glasses I'd want to go home to someone elses, lol.

melbel said...

Helen
I am going back a long while, but was it not the Manchester equivalent of the Liverpool Cavern ?
Will have to study that now.
Still laughing at Archer and Seawitch, would all make much better comedy writers, than Little grey brain cell.

chinadoll said...

Melbel,

Cretin is a disgusting word to use - it is actually a disability/medical condition and a dreadful one at that.

She should go wash her mouth out.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hey China,

That bloody code kept me awake last night, I was racking my brains. Belated wishes, hope you had a good one and a happy birthday! x

archer said...

Melbel

Bless x


I find it particularly interesting here because of the diversity of the posts. Obviously the common thread is the fact that we are supportive of the whole family, but each of us has a different angle to what we have to say.

Daughter has had to go 'firm' on her choice, I'm a bit dissapointed that she has chosen to go such a long way away.:¬( I'll get over it..

melbel said...

Happy Birthday China
Sorry to be slow on the uptake.x

JANEGT said...

chinadoll

yes, I agree, she should wash her mouth/their mouths out.

I did suggest....bleach perhaps? Undiluted of course.

chinadoll said...

Watch your mouth Jane,

Are you calling me an ice-cream, or a flake? lol

SeaWitch said...

Tinks,

It must be our age!

Chinadoll,

Have I missed your birthday? Happy Birthday, lady! may there be many, many more of them!

Got to walk the non-designer pooches, now. If I can scrounge a turn on number 2's PERSONAL computer (with the internet that I pay for!) I may see you all later.

Otherwise, happy blogging!

;-)

Mandz said...

Seawitch,

Like you I hate the smell of whisky yuk! A (Hot Toddy) is good for a cold!

Sass said...

China

HBBTCD!

JANEGT said...

CHINADOLL

tee hee 21 again

of course you are.

;o)))

Mandz said...

China a big happy birthday to you!

melbel said...

Archer
Yes, it is a great group and we would all get on really well, in real life, if we ever met.Every person here, is a true wholesome human being and it is great.
Time flies, so fast, once they do go to uni and it is Christmas, before you know.
Know what you mean, though.
My dad, would never have let me go,in sixties,if there had been loans, as he hated any debt [even a mortgage ]Times change so much x

archer said...

China

Its obvious - now that we know!

HAPPEE BIRFDAY TOO YOUUU

xx

Mandz said...

Bye for now girls!

Sass, Jane, Tinks
Keep it real!!!

chinadoll said...

Thank you everyone for the Birthday wishes - I was 47 yesterday. Glad I did not come a day later lol lol

Tinkerbell43 said...

See ya Mandz. Take care x

melbel said...

Hiya Sass
Our little mountain goat.
Admire you mods,working and troll repelling, at the same time.

JANEGT said...

are you off MANDZ

R E A L??? WHOZZAT???

NOT WITH THIS SHOWER.

!!!!

;O)))))))))))))))

JANEGT said...

BYE FOR NOW seawtich ENJOY THE DOGS WALKING YOU.....


HOPE YOU CAN GET ON THE 'NIGHT SHIFT' OF THE COMPUTER TIME....


KEEP IN TOUCH THOUGH WE MISS YOUR DIABOLICAL OUTPUT.

HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

;O)))

melbel said...

Nite Mandz and sleep well x x x

archer said...

Night Mandzx

chinadoll said...

Bye Mandz and Seawitch,

Seawitch - Have you got accident cover on your household insurance - is so, you should be able to claim?

Sass said...

Melbel

Are you saying I've got hairy legs???

archer said...

Roooooooooooney

Sass said...

Mandz

See ya! Didn't get a chance to chat which is a bummer!

Keep it real yourself dude my man give me five (have you worked out what any of our cool language actually means yet???)

Sass said...

Melbel

Ta! There isn't much troll repelling at the moment, which is nice. When there is though, noone is as quick Speedy-Gontinkz!

JANEGT said...

melbel

SHURRRUP!!! ;o) ;o)

DON'T DARE TALK ABOUT **goats** ON HERE ... YOU WILL CAUSE OUTRAGE. HA HA HA HA FIRST AN *ESCAPE GOAT* (v'S bLOG OR a;S CAN'T RECALL) NOW MOUNTAIN GOAT? OH DEARIE ME.

scccchhhhh chinadoll!!!


NOT AT ALL
YOUR FINGERS SLIPPED
21 NOT 47 SCHHHHHHHH..... ;O(((

CLEARLY YOUR MUM HAD YOU *INDUCED* TO STOP YOU BEING BORN ON THE *SAINTS DAY* YOU WERE 'MEANT ' TO BE...HA HA HA ;O(

no fool like an old fool. ha ha ha

OK

J O K E ??? ha ha??? yep......

oNLY JOKING. mY DAUGHTER'S CHUM IS TODAY 16 AND THEY GET TEASED ROTTEN!!! The jokes they play make me hoot but I know I should not laugh and encourage it. It is so funny though. they all pretended they had forgottn it was their birthday, and went off. Later, a chum called to say they needed help. and they walked in to their surprise 'party'. They left them for 4 hours first. Shame.

archer said...

Hafta pop out for few mins.

Mums Taxi....

Tinkerbell43 said...

Sass,

I think its high 5, let it ride, on the side, let it slide, Yoh!

chinadoll said...

Funny you should say that Janegt,

I was actually born on Good Friday in 1961. Oh and I am still not a granny yet, darn.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Sass,

Thats after you ask, "how's it hanging", lol.

JANEGT said...

ARCHER

taxi@?? OK

not garage. Not OK...

Tinkerbell43 said...

China,

So you were a real Easter Chick :0)

JANEGT said...

chinadoll

some people want all the attention

'hatched' on Good Friday.

'Fishy' Story to me

;o))))))))))))))))))

Sass said...

Tinks

"Yo dude" sounds pretty good to me. Perhaps we should greet each other in this way in the future so that noone calls us a knitting circle again!

By the way, I'm a hoodie. Now that's really off the hook (which I think means "cool")

JANEGT said...

Yo

dudes

I seem to be in the 'twilight zone'

where's the ointment???

I ned Mum21's rubber knitting needles.

and...by the way, where is she???? well I trust....

designing her new 'polled for' avatar no doubts - at enormous expense.........

chinadoll said...

Hehehehe

Hatched on Good Friday and
Easter Chick lol lol lol

Not heard those before.

Sass said...

Jane

Mum cracked me up with something she said re her poll. She said she wouldn't luv us loads if we didn't vote. The timing and context was hysterical.

melbel said...

Just looked at TWS and silly pathetic Claudia,is collecting posts, for hr list and Calcite and Myself,are on it,seeing as she thinks that posts from us, have dried up, re the PJ,because of her threats.
What a silly little school child.
Any comment I make,has already been written, in a quality broadsheet newspaper.
Oh,dear,what shall I do ?
I am undone.Shall I flee the country, with my bus pass ?
I was rather hoping, that the PJ,might read this blog themselves.
Every other man and his dog, does.
Dear old Supertroll, is over there.
What a pathetic specimen and she thinks she is banging the drum,for her country.
I am seriously wandering, whether to inform Clarence, that Vile has a photo,on his blog, that I doubt that the parents, would want in the public domain, since it is not a Mccann child and sounds like one of the Tapas friends.
Clawdia, co hosts TWS, does she not?
Really hopes that Clarence, goes in hard and sues them.

helenm said...

2 - 0 to Man U full time

Tinkerbell43 said...

Personally Melbel,

I think it is her that is dried up!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Helen,

Do you support Man U by chance ?

Sass said...

Melbel/Tinks

I don't think she ever got going in the first place.

chinadoll said...

BBC News are confirming my earlier post by the Daily Telegraph......

McCann papers could be released

Madeleine disappeared eleven months ago in Portugal
The parents of missing Madeleine McCann could soon be able to see the Portuguese police file on their daughter's disappearance.

Rogerio Alves, a Portuguese lawyer for Kate and Gerry McCann, said police files could be made public on 14 April when the official secrecy period ends.

He said this period could be extended only in major inquiries, such as those targeting terrorism or organised crime.

The McCanns, of Rothley, Leics, remain formal suspects or "arguidos".

Clarence Mitchell, the couple's spokesman, welcomed the lawyer's comments and called for their arguido status to be lifted.

They have always denied any involvement in their daughter's disappearance and last month received a public apology and damages from four British newspapers over false claims they had printed.

Madeleine disappeared days before her fourth birthday, during a family holiday in the resort of Praia da Luz, in the Algarve, on 3 May last year.

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The interesting paragraph being:-

He said this period could be extended only in major inquiries, such as those targeting terrorism or organised crime...........

If they try to wriggle out of that, then they truly must have something really sinister to hide imo.

archer said...

Jane

lol.

I'm sure you understand, daughter was in need of a lift back from her 'beloveds'. Taxi..not garage lol..but now that you mention it!

JOKING :¬)

Mum21 said...

Melbel,
Clawdia left it a bit late. I have already compiled a list...and what a list it is too.
I have every abusive comment ever made towards us by her and several others.
They are all neatly printed off and filed....and waiting.

melbel said...

True,China
Think that the PJ, will have bigger things to worry about than Calcite and me and would expect the way these people have been treated, to go all the way to the European Court. It is a scandal for Portugal and for Europe.
Did you get that,Clawdia ?

helenm said...

Tinks.

Should your team really be doing that, walking in the park when they should be playing football? ROTFL

Mum21 said...

But China...this cannot be true because the Anti's are bragging that once the PJ have arrived and the questions asked.....charges will be made. They are even suggesting there will be a third suspect.
Ho hum.

archer said...

China

Clearly terrorism and organised crime isn't applicable, but would this be under the classification of Major Inquiry ?
(But a major inquiry would move a lot quicker than this - surely)
We shall have to see how this pans out.

melbel said...

Hi Mum
You must have a really long list!
She is very naive and not the sharpest knife, in the drawer, if you get my drift x

helenm said...

Any of you lot help me please? How did you suss DT as Arepa?

Sass said...

Helen

Because DT wrote that long post about her husband having an affair. Then later, and signed on as Arepa, she carried on with the story!

helenm said...

Sassy, thanks for that. Not so clever then was she? There are many sick people out there.

Mum21 said...

Melbel...a bit blunt is the word I would use.
But then you could tell that even in the DE days. When God gave out brains she sure was not first in line.

chinadoll said...

Archer,

Whilst this is a major enquiry, it does not fall anywhere near the categories of terrorism or organised crime eg mafia.

melbel said...

Read two Portugese posters,Ana and Mandarin, on TWS, wringing their hands and saying they feared charges would never be laid.
They put this,in the context of a small country,being pressured,by a large one and I have read this before, from one Portugese poster, I do respect.
I cannot understand this mentality, really.
It is this fear of dark forces,working against them, almost a paronoia,almost as if,they are disempowered, as a nation and circumstances, beyond their nation's control.
Is it a national inferiority among small nations ?Cannot really understand.

chinadoll said...

Mum21,

We all know how much the antis' love the rumour mill. We on the other hand do not subscribe to the conspiacy theory rumour mill. They have to believe their own claptrap, it is what helps them to get out of bed in the morning and face another day of McCann bashing.

Mum21 said...

Sorry Ladies...I forgot to say Good Evening.
I got carried away with reading back posts.

melbel said...

Mum, you are right.
The lights are on,but nobody there.
One penny short of a bob
A sheep missing,in the top paddock
Tee hee

Mum21 said...

If Bianca ever dares to show her ugly avatar on here again...heaven help her.
What a two faced bit-h she is.

melbel said...

Night and God Bless,mum
Enjoyed your company x x x

Mum21 said...

Melbel...and as my husband would say...one brick short of a full load.:-)

melbel said...

Sass
Wouldn't see your legs,if you did not wear that yodelling outfit.
I wondered if Thomas,meant to come out, or was it a mistake and she had not changed her id,if you can even do that ?

Mum21 said...

Melbel...who is leaving..you or me? te he he

Sass said...

Helen

She actually deleted herself very quickly if I remember rightly, but I'd already copied it and apart from that we get copies of all posts e-mailed to us. That's how we found out about the Marla/Arsabliar thing!

melbel said...

Helen
Great result x

Sass said...

Melbel

I think that was Mum21's hello not goodbye!

Sass said...

Helen are you around and ready to post?

helenm said...

Where is Tinks is she sulking?

chinadoll said...

Melbel,

I think the pj have a lot more to worry about - I would imagine that they are very concerned about the pending case facing the 5 pj arguidos ref Leanor Cipriano. That case certainly has the potential to go all the way to the European Court of Justice and now they have a similar case, yet another set of parents they are pointing the finger at and accusing of harming their daughter.

Two little girls go missing, seven miles apart and the pj do everything in their power to blame the parents.

Why?

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