Tuesday, 26 February 2008

McCanns Want Montpellier Sighting Video

Oldish news - but then what isn't???


from Sky News
Madeleine McCann's parents have called for French police to let them view video footage of a reported sighting of their missing girl.

The request came as confusion surrounded a claim made by a Dutch tourist that she spotted the four-year-old in the southern French city of Montpellier.

Melissa Fiering, 18, believes she saw Madeleine - missing since she vanished from her family's holiday apartment in Portugal last May - at a service station on Friday.

She is sure it was the Leicestershire youngster because of how the child reacted when her name was called.

Miss Fiering also told a Dutch newspaper she saw a mark in the girl's eye similar to Madeleine's distinctive facial feature.

A man accompanying the child then left the restaurant with her a short time later, the teenager said.

On Wednesday, a French police official said investigators had examined CCTV footage from the restaurant and determined it was not Madeleine.

But on Thursday, a police official in France would only say that the girl caught on camera did not appear to be held against her will.

"These tapes are not very usable," the official told reporters, adding that "nothing can guarantee the result" of even a close study.

Madeleine, from Rothley, disappeared on May 3. Since then there have been several reported sightings of her around Europe and north Africa, all of which have proven to be false leads.
On the latest, Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for her parents, said: "We believe from indications we have received that the child is not Madeleine. However, if this video material is of very poor quality I would hope that the French authorities are certain that the child is not Madeleine before they rule it out.

"Kate and Gerry would still like to view this material if possible in the very near future to be sure themselves."

Montpellier Prosecutor Jean Philippe said the tapes could be turned over to British authorities, which must make a specific demand.

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Anonymous said...

I have just read some of yesterdays posts & quite frankly am appalled that you have lowered yourselves to the level of A's & V's sites'in your abusive posts,slateing them & their posters. Unless the standard of posts improves I will not be joining you. I must say I am shocked that people who claim to be supporting the McCann family could behave in such an undignified manner......there is no excuse for bad language.......lowering yourselves to their level.

Jojam

SeaWitch said...

I agree with Jojam.

This is a new blog finding its feet but I for one do not want it to be a replica of any other site.

We are all here because we find the two other sites distateful, but this one is in danger of joining them.

Unlike Jojam, though, will stick around to help make this a great place because I do not see the point of critisising if I am not prepared to help work through the teething troubles.

Jojam, please stay; we need your input. Lets all work together.

Got to go to work now, but will definitely pop in this evening.

Lets have a bile-free site, girls!

:-)

Mandz said...

Hi All,

I think the French Police should have handed this footage over to the McCann’s as a matter of urgency. If true that the tape is of poor quality then how can they rule that this is NOT MADDIE. Let her Mother and Father be the judge of that she belongs to them. This is an utter disgrace that her parents have not seen that footage.

Mum21 said...

Jojam. We are trying very hard to keep this blog trouble free. But we keep getting attacked and it is very difficult at the moment.
As Seawitch said...it is not what we want. So please stay and help us through this. sassyP does delete the foul language that is being posted by the other blogs. As far as I know...and I have not yet read the comments made late last night...WE have not used foul language.

helenm said...

Hi,
I am not aware that the French police have released the cctv footage to the Mccann's, but I hope fervently that a request has in fact been made.
It is disturbing to read that 'the girl did not appear to have been held against her will' as evidence that it could not possibly be Madeleine, or certainly IMO that is what it is inferring. It is nine months since Madeleine went missing, it is possible that bonds have been formed between Madeleine and her abductor. This is certainly not unusual.

Another disturbing quote is 'these tapes are not very useable, exactly the reason why the Mccann's are the only people that can categorically say whether this is Madeleine or not. Who better than the parents at picking up on little nuances, such as the way she holds her head or walks.

I am sure that the Mccann's will not let this go.

Anonymous said...

Good morning seawitch, Mum21, All. I never posted that much on DE so doubt I will on here, but I see no need for abuse & personal insults to others even if we do not agree with what they post. The use of foul language only serves to devalue the posters views IMO. I hope that we can make this a pleasant place by ignoring those who come to bait.

IMO all posts with bad language or personal abuse/insults, Copy & pastes from A's & V's should be removed wether they are Pro, Anti or OTF...they have no place on here.
Work together......with respect & dignity.

I will look in later to see how things are going.......have lots to do........see you later

Jojam

SassyP said...

Having some inter-blog slanging match is the last thing I wanted. I think we just ignore the abusive posters completely - that way they will get bored and will go back to whichever blog they came from.

As far as the French video is concerned - why even bother having CCTV if the quality is so bad you can't see the images anyway!

I heard that the Dutch student is still convinced it was Madeleine, so the sooner the McCanns get to see the tapes, the better.

SassyP said...

By the way, what happened to the Dorset sighting? Big nothing, I assume!

Anonymous said...

GINA M said,

Well, well, well I would never have believed it if I had not seen it with my own eyes. I know when others are rude to you it is difficult not to respond, but yesterday's posts are really an eye opener with the bad language used in response. I thought you were the ones who were always complaining about this sort of behaviour and telling each other to ignore the morons. At this moment in time I cannot see that you are any better than those you scorn. I am sure what I think is of no interest to you anyway because I am sure you would not want me posting on your site anyway. Gina M

SassyP said...

GinaM

No problem with you posting at all.

helenm said...

Hi Ginam,
Any poster is welcome on this site whatever their views. So feel free to join in, very quiet at the moment so if you have any 'tips' they would be a welcome change!

Mum21 said...

Good Morning GinaM. It is nice to see you. You are welcome here because we know you will not resort to the language that was hurled at us yesterday. We are only human and when called some of the foul things we were yesterday it is hard to ignore them. We have decided to try harder to ignore them and just carry on deleting them. Put it this way...had this been the DE forum that anonymous poster would have been banned by now. But thinking back on yesterday...although hard to do...in future we should just ignore and delete.

Anonymous said...

Gina M said

Sassy P, IMO the Dorset sighting was the most unbelievable on todate. Think about it, who in their right mind would take the most well known abducted child with them to buy second hand garden furniture. The guy claimed they were speaking Portuguese. Well unless he speaks Portuguese himself I doubt very much he would spot that instantly. I certainly would not and I live in Spain and hear many languages. Also, with the child in his house surely he could have done something to check this out properly, don't think he even took the van number. He was obviously a sandwich short of a picnic IMO Gina M

Mum21 said...

Gina M. I agree with you on that. I do believe some people would go to any lengths to gain 15 minutes glory. Trouble is...when a child is involved all leads must be followed up.Even crank ones!

SassyP said...

GinaM

I wrote about this before. How would they get a child back to an island (and why would they want to). If the country was landlocked, it would be more feasible as you have domestic borders which aren't manned anyway.

I just wondered if there had been anything about it in the news.

Anonymous said...

Gina M says thanks all for making me feel welcomed. I will do a deal with you all, I will join in from time to time to put the opposite point of view to yours (as I always did) so that it opens up a debate, but any foul language or gang warfare and I am off.

If you still want tips from time to time that's fine, but at the moment I have to find a tip myself to get rid of procession caterpillars that are on the march now and capable of killing my dogs so I am a bit stressed out at the moment about that

SassyP said...

Hiya Mum21

Just checking there were no posts to delete.

Back to work!

See you

Mum21 said...

Good Morning sassyp...don't work too hard now.
Talk later

SassyP said...

GinaM

I think you'll find the foul language wasn't in response to a different point of view.

Hope you can give your caterpillars the heave-ho.

Mum21 said...

Gina M...what is all this about procession caterpillars? I am not familiar with these.
Are they really a danger to dogs?

Anonymous said...

Gina M says SassyP, I do not think they would have a problem getting the child back into the country if the were professionals. Overland and Ferry controls are not as good as Airport. I have driven from Spain to the UK and no one asked for my passport, not even in the UK, but admittedly it was long before 9/11 etc. However, we all know illegal immigrants do not have a problem, they get in daily

SassyP said...

GinaM

Can't imagine that people would want to risk smuggling a kid back into a country where absolutely everyone knows her!

Anonymous said...

Gina M says Mum 21
Procession caterpillars live and feed off pine trees. The virtually strip the tree then in the winter they make what looks like a large cobwebb ball which they stay in. These hang from the trees and we try to get them down and burn them but often they are too high. At this time of the year the caterpillars leave the nest to find a new tree. They are an unbelievable sight when on the move. They form a nose to tail procession sometimes 60/70 caterpillars long. If a dog (or animal goes near them, the fire sort of hairs at them, and these cause swelling in the mouth and the hairs can stop the dog breathing. A dog can be dead in 5 minutes. My friends dog inhaled these hair, and the vet had to cut three quarters of its tongue out to save it's life. I do not get stressed easily and am pretty laid back about most things, but these b... creatures scare me big time

Anonymous said...

Hi All, Just droped in breifly shouldn't be here as too much work to do! Pleased to see it's much more pleasent her this morning, nice to see you Gina sorry don't know how to get rid of caterpillars.

Re the Dorset sighting....If there had been any validity in it, I don't think it would have hit the papers' until it had been investigated as they would not have wanted to scare off the 'abductor'.

Has anyone heard any more about the divers search......is it still ongoing or have the called it off?

Jojam

Rosiepops said...

It is the French sighting that is making me wonder, but again, why if this little one was Madeleine would they take her into a restaurant where she is likely to be identified? I wanted to believe this because the girl said she was dancing and a dancing Madeleine indicated perhaps that she was nit being treated that badly, but my head says don't be a silly bat, it can't have been her. But I don't doubt that the girl is convinced that who she saw was Madeleine and if she is still saying it then I feel she should be taken seriously. We cannot ask people to come forward with what they have seen, only to mock and ridicule them, they have to be taken seriously, for the sake of all crimes, not just this one.

Also with regards to the footage being unclear and so useless to the McCann's, if it was that unclear how could French police say for certain that the child was not Madeleine? Also if it is grainy bad footage it can be enhanced, take the case of missing Shannon Matthews, the footage of her leaving the swimming pool was seriously bad only moving blurs and then we saw and enhancement and it became very clear and little Shannon was identifiable.

I think the McCann's should be allowed to see the tapes, if only for their own peace of mind.

SassyP said...

Rosie

Just deleted your comment because you used someone's real name!

Sent it back to you by e-mail so you can repost!

Anonymous said...

Gina M says

Sassy P. Like you I do not see why anybody would want to bring the child back to the UK even if it was just for reward money. I think we have to take the Dorset sighting with a pinch of salt. Not being offensive to Dorset folk, but there is a saying "Dorset born, Dorset bred, strong in the arm, but think in the head". Think this guy was one of those.

Hi Rosie, Yes will pop in from time to time and I doubt we will lock horns because I think that if and when we get any further news it will be "NEWS" and whatever it is, it is, if you see what I mean.

Rosiepops said...

Thanks Sassy.

supertroll said...

Hello Rosiepops and all,

I was wondering if you are getting the same strange threats I am on my blog.

I am finding these 'friendly warnings' very creepy.

Rosiepops, the silly pratonthebeam posted the link to your blog on my comments form and there were other posts directed towards you which were extremely abusive.

I have deleted them all, but I think you ought to know.

I hope you do well with your blog and don't suffer too many attacks.

On my part, I will continue to try and show the real true colours of the posters from the vileblog.

Regards
ST

Rosiepops said...

Hi all,

Agree with Tinks, Sassy, Mum, Jojam and SeaWitch. Let's make this site better, we do not need the bile, it will end up poisoning us. As it did Jane where she got an awful ot of foul abuse yesterday. I think in many cases a lot of people were simply letting off steam and saying what they thought but were unable to say on the DE forum, obviously this will pass now.


When running properly there will be four moderating, so unwelcome posts will not be around too long, if you see one please ignore it and ignore the poster, it will be removed. I hope that no one saw the interaction between Jane and SeaWitch and thought it was squabbling, it wasn't, it was banter.

GinaM Hiya

I was thinking about you yesterday and hoping you somehow made your way here. I know we have locked horns in the past but managed to do it without too much nastiness.
I hope you hang around too.

SassyP said...

Hiya Rosie

I thought if I sent it back all you have to do is change the one name and then copy and paste it back!

Hope you don't mind!

Mum21 said...

Hi Gina M. Thank you for explaining about the caterpillars...I had never heard of this. I am sure you are stressed out because of your dogs.
Like me...your dogs mean the world to you.
Hope you manage to keep them away from your beloved pets.

Rosiepops said...

sassy,

have done, of course I don't mind at all. No problem.

SassyP said...

Rosie

Can you see avatars yet?

Anonymous said...

Gina M says

Rosie I think that people are getting so scared of having their lives picked over in newspapers that if they have a child looks a bit like Madeleine they are aware of it. Needless to say when they are stared at, and her name is called the run, and who can blame them. I just find it odd that these sightings are often in a cafe in full view of all which to be seems highly unlikely. Even if the CCTV footage was not clear the police could have done a DNA check on the drink vessel of the child. I hope the French police are not stupid too, if I thought of that, they should have too!!!!

Rosiepops said...

Hi Supertroll,

Great to see you drop in. We have had a few attacks, to be expected, but have collectively decided the best way to deal with them on here is to totally ignore the poster and delete the posts.

the strangeness of some warnings doesn't surprise me, the internet seems to do this to people.

Thanks for deleting those posts, fortunately I was so busy yesterday I had not seen them. I have taken months of this kind of thing so that does not surprise me either. It appears that one only has to hold a differing viewpoint and that makes you fair game for the abuse. I hope you succeed in your endeavours and meanwhile here we are determined to keep putting the other side to this coin and to give the McCann's fair consideration and I hope we can count on your input occasionally, you are most welcome.

We are debating the ?? sightings of Madeleine in France and Dorset. I think the McCann's should be bale to see this footage, if it is only for their peace of mind.

Anonymous said...

Hi Gina Your catterpillars sound similar to those we get here in spring..........the hairs cause an allergic reaction in humans......very severe in some cases.......some years it has been so bad that the council have sprayed insecticide to reduce there numbers........I do hope you can keep your dogs safe

Jojam

Mandz said...

Hi
Sassy you are right we should all agree to ignore the bad abuse that comes our way.
HelenM
I agree just because she was dancing does not mean it is not Maddie these people condition the children.
Whatever the take the parents should be allowed to see the footage and I hope the McCann’s are phoning them and demanding this. They are the ones who need to look at this and why the hold up?? That poor we soul every time there is a sighting or whatever it maybe it is always done too late.

I’m not convinced it is her however I would love it to be. What get’s me is that if these people are so sure this is Maddie McCann standing in front of them then why not grab her? Scream? Yell? Pretend you are going to buy another coffee and call the police? Look at the person’s car? Take a picture which is easily done on mobile phones on the qt when it looks like you are texting. Come on public GRAB HER.

Mum21 said...

One of the things about this case I cannot get my head around is the forensic evidence. We all know it exists...the same as we know how well trained these specialist dogs are. But what the Anti's cannot seem to understand is if the evidence the dogs found was badly contaminated...as has been reported. Then the results from the forensic scientists can never be 100%. If my simple brain can understand this...why can many others not understand it.
We already read some time ago that the Forensic scientists had allegedly reported the evidence was so badly contaminated it was hard and almost impossible to get a good result from it.
This was my understanding anyway.

SassyP said...

JoJam

Where is it you live to get those caterpillars? (Roughly - country will do or if you're in Britain, which part approx!).

Rosiepops said...

Gina,

I was wondering if she had a drink to be tested, but could see no mention if it. Like you I do wonder why she would be taken into a cafe in full view of others, even if they were moving her surely they would keep her out of the public eye as much as possible? But then people do the strangest things and it is often this that gets them caught in the end.
I am convinced though that the student thnks the girl she saw is Madeleine.

I can understand why someone who had a child like Madeleine would take them away quickly, you protect your children and do not want strangers coming up to them.

I even saw it suggested that the girl should have grabbed hold of the child and demanded the police be called, well if someone grabbed hold of one of my grandchilderen, I would not be responsible for my actions!
People simply cannot go up to children they think are Madeleine and start grabbing them, they will terrify the Poe little things. Far better go somewhere and make a quick quite phone call to the police and take as much information down as possible, number plates, good descriptions and any possible items for DNA.

Mandz said...

Mum21

The sad part is some people have played judge and jury making it their right to convict this couple therefore they will never admit that there is contamination or that the evidence is inconclusive. People dislike this couple in the same way people don’t like a pop star which is bizarre because you need to know someone to like or dislike.

SassyP said...

I even saw it suggested that the girl should have grabbed hold of the child and demanded the police be called, well if someone grabbed hold of one of my grandchilderen, I would not be responsible for my actions!
People simply cannot go up to children they think are Madeleine and start grabbing them, they will terrify the Poe little things. Far better go somewhere and make a quick quite phone call to the police and take as much information down as possible, number plates, good descriptions and any possible items for DNA.
from Rosiepops' post
___________________________________

Exactly! You can't just go grabbing blonde kids just in case! You'd terrify everybody!

Anonymous said...

Gina M says, thanks Jojam. I think you have similar in the UK but they do not go on the move in "gangs" and therefore are not so potent.Yes I must be careful too, yesterday when a gang was on my drive, I just had to act quickly as the dogs were nearby, so grabbed some paraffin and set fire to the line, only to find another battalion following behind. The can be dangerous to me too but I just steamed in (like I normally do)

Must be driving you all crazy will my caterpillar hang up, so off now to go searching again. Bye for now

helenm said...

Hi Mandz, agree with most of your post, not too sure about the 'grab her'. It seems so simple to do that but in reality I think the majority of people would baulk at that. I must say that as a parent myself I would be able to understand if someone grabbed my child believing that she was someone else, but from the child's point of view how scary that must be for them.

Unfortunately in this blame culture people do tend to walk on by, but as you say there are other ways in which to gather evidence. (not being a 'gadget' sort of person, and you all know how useless I am with a computer, the taking of a photo with mobile phone would render me useless)

Mandz said...

Jojam

You will never get rid of these caterpillars from what I watched on the news last year. No spray is going to fully get rid of them and it has something to do with the warm weather here so that must be somewhere away down south.

Rosiepops said...

Ooops Mandz - disagreement alert lol.

Anonymous said...

Gina M says Rosie

Well I don't know if the child had a drink, but she must have had something she touched which DNA tests could have been taken from. Not going up the DNA route as do not know enough about it, but I thought it could be taken from even the chair she sat on.

Anyway have no time to solve the mystery today, will have to leave it up to you as I am off to go big game hunting. (ok so I exaggerate caterpillar hunting) BYE ALL

SassyP said...

Bye GinaM

supertroll said...

No problem Rosiepos,

I am happy to receive abusive comments as it is fair game and my posts haven't been very complimentary either, but I will delete the most abusive ones.

Someone posted on my site that he/she was not going to post on the vile blog again due to the abuse on it. It is good news that some people are finally seeing the blog for what it is.

I respect all opinions on the case, but not the constant hatred poured on those poor parents.

I have heard about the sightings, but not read the stories, so I cannot comment. I don't read many stories on the Madeleine case anymore as I find them very depressing. I would be great though if they were true.

I wish her family a speedy conclusion to all this. I have children too and simply cannot imagine the pain they must be going through.

This is why I cannot understand how people can be so cruel and will try to expose these people.

I recently spoke to a former forensic scientist who is very well versed on DNA techniques. She rubbished the fact that the results may be conclusive, as low copy DNA is too prone to contamination and not conclusive at all in this case. I agree with her, you only need around five cells to get a profile.

The McCanns transporting her things in the car would have resulted in shedding of 5 cells and many more.

But in the vile blog they will hang on to anything. There is some justice...

Regards
ST

Mandz said...

Hi Helen!
I was meaning that if someone is 100% sure she is standing in front of them then why not grab/hold her however easier said than done! But these people all claim it was definitely her and allow her to walk away.. therefore they should do something!

When I was in Spain last year a number of people checked out my girl which I didn’t mind because I was also looking at other children.

SassyP said...

Supertroll

Do we know you from the DX forum (under a different name)? Not asking you to reveal yourself(!) but just wondered.

SassyP said...

Mandz

I realised you didn't mean rugby tackle the girl and the people with her! That'd be a picture. wouldn't it!

SassyP said...

Contamination of DNA

Does anyone know what can contaminate DNA exactly?

Mandz said...

Sassyp,
Don’t think I would manage a rugby tackle sassy as very unfit these days!!

SassyP said...

It would be a picture though! Mandz leaping onto some unsuspecting soul yelling "I'm placing you under citizen's arrest!"

Anonymous said...

Sassy, I live in sussex and every year we have a problem with the hairy catterplillers they lurk in trees ane hedges and the hairs either fall or are blown about if they land on the skin or are breathed in they cause allergic reaction.

Mazda, yes they are brought out by the warm weather & yes although the council spray they are not fully eradicated........we usually get warnings in the local paper when they are prevalant.

Re french cctv I think that the McCanns should be able to view this just to make sure although I do not think it was Madeleine.

Does anyone know if they are still diving in the lakes?

Jojam

supertroll said...

Sassy,
I never posted on the DX, I'm an outsider who found the vile blog and was very shocked.

I mean by contamination the fact that we are constantly shedding cells with our DNA everywhere.

DNA is suspicious when found somewhere where it is not meant to be found.

In a car boot which has been used to transport family things and clothes belonging to Maddie, you would expect to find her cells.

This is only my opinion. I'm not a forensic expert, but it makes sense to me.

Regards
ST

Mandz said...

Sassy!

hahahahahaha...!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can just see it! Out for a day trip with hubbie and kids and me flying through the air in slow motion onto Mr “suspects” shoulders only to realise it was the traffic warden..!!!!!!!!!

Rosiepops said...

Supertroll,

I know exactly where you are coming from and am glad that something is being done to counteract it.

Your thoughts and feelings about the McCann's echo the thoughts and feelings of the majority of us on here.
As a parent and grandparent myself, I also cannot imagine what it must feel like to be in those poor parents position and the pain they must be going through must be immeasurable.

With regard to the DNA, I agree with that assessment and continue to think that the PJ cannot really have anything like the evidence they have been reported to have, if they did have this, then quite simply they would have charged the parents by now.

I hope with all my heart that this case does not get shelved, but I have an awful feeling that this is exactly what is going to happen, oh it will not be done in a fanfare of publicity, but quietly I feel this will go on the shelf, until something comes up that will reawaken the whole investigation. This scares me as Madeleine could still be alive and whatever has happened her parents need to know, for their sake and for the sake of the twins.

SassyP said...

Message from Whizzg(2)

Give my regards to tinks rosie et
al. I've found it difficult to post a post so far. But will try again
Whizzg2

Mandz said...

Supertroll

I agree with what you said about the DNA being in the family car where you would expect it to be.

supertroll said...

I fully agree with you Rosiepops,

It is scary that the case might be shelved.

I have to go now, but keep up with the good work.

Not doc is hardly posting at all now. I am really pleased he is finally keeping a low profile.
He still intrigues me a lot.

Regards
ST

SassyP said...

Rosie/Supertroll

I have a feeling it got all but shelved quite a while back!

Mum21 said...

Hijojam...I see you live in Sussex too. Where I live we do not get the caterpillar problem....but that could be because I am right on the coast where there are not many trees due to the salt in the air.

Rosie. I have maintained all along the the DNA evidence is not as strong as some believe. As you say...if it was the McCann's would have been charged by now.
Have you heard anymore about the pending visit by the PJ?

Supertroll...good to have you here. I have read several of your comments on another blog and agree with them all.

Rosiepops said...

Bye Supertroll,

before you go, can you explain a little about those strange warning posts?
If you can't, no problems. You have my support, but I think you know that.

Hope to see you back soon.

supertroll said...

Rosiepops,

They are 'friendly warnings'and also saying that the authorities are on to me.

The writer insists that he/she is not threatening me and is a friend.

They are still on my comment box. They are probably harmless and a bit deranged, but I find the tone a bit sinister, that's all.

Regards
ST

Rosiepops said...

Sassy

Give my regards to Whizz tell him he is missed, I know he posts using a phone so it is tricky for him. But tell him to try and work it out and come on with his one liners!

Rosiepops said...

Mum

I was looking at and comparing the investigation between Madeleine and the sad case of Shannon Matthews, the difference between the police could not be more apparent.

supertroll said...

Got it,
Thanks I will.

SassyP said...

Rosie

I'll tell him!

Rosiepops said...

Sassy,

great I missed whizz in the latter part of the DX days, he has a wonderful way with one liners and managed to brighten the forum, so I do hope he manages to get here.

Mum21 said...

Rosie..yes the difference between the investigation into the Madeleine case and the investigation into the sad case of Shannon Matthews...is very obvious.
But I am sure there are a few people out in cyberspace that won't agree.

Mandz said...

Does anyone know if they are still diving in the lakes?

Jojam
********

I'm sure they still are.

Rosiepops said...

Mandz, there was actually a bit on one of our stories on the front page of our blog about this, I will see if I can find the paragraph and post it, back in a mo.

Rosiepops said...

mandz, Jojam and Mum

here it is
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Searching The Dam

Time Dive, the Lagos-based company working with the Madeira lawyer Marcos Arag√£o, who is convinced Madeleine McCann’s body is in the Arade Dam near Silves, were still waiting for new instructions by the time The Resident went to press.

Martin Salkous, one of the company’s divers, told The Resident they were “expecting to re-start the search operations any moment” and that they were keeping in close contact with the lawyer, who is gathering funds to pay for further diving operations.

Rosiepops said...

If this lawyer is trying to raise more funds to search this dam because he is so sure that his tip off is correct it scares me. I do not want to think her her there, I am still hoping she is alive. But if she is there, then she must be rescued and brought home and laid to rest properly and her parents have to know for their sake.

Mum21 said...

Well at least this lawyer is doing something positive. Which is more than can be said of the PJ.
I have just looked at photographs of our police in action searching for clues re Shannon Matthews. One even shows them searching the rubbish bins.(with protective gloves and masks of course).
Is it any wonder the British police are ranked amongst the best in the world?

Mandz said...

Thanks Rosie,

I feel sick at the thought of her there how on earth can people be so evil and do this to an innocent child. Who told the mafia this and can they not be investigated after telling this lawyer this?

Anonymous said...

Thanks for that Rosie, do you know how old that report is? I do not like to think that Madeleine is there butif she is.....it would be better for the parents if they had some form of resolution..........even if it is not the one we all pray for.

Jojam

Mandz said...

I wonder why the mafia told this lawyer.

Rosiepops said...

Jojam

not a 100% sure but I think it is fairly recent, Sassy provided the story and here is a link.

http://www.portugalresident.com/portugalresident/frontpage.asp

I agree we all pray and hope for the best, but if not then her parents and family would be better knowing and being able to do something about it.
I still cannot shake this feeling that she is still in Portugal and I have to say this, I still think she is alive and I think the same of little Mari too.

I don't know why, I am no psychic, it is just a feeling I get.

Mandz said...

Rosie,

I so hope you are right and she is not there.
Yes poor Mari anything new on her? Or Yermin? and the other girl? They all disappear and no one see anything?

Rosiepops said...

Mandz and Mum

one would hope that this has been investigated properly by the PJ, after all this kind of tip off could actually lead straight to the abductors!

my question is, why would this man keep working and earning and saving all his spare money to search this lake? He must be very convinced if he keeps doing this, if I were PJ, I would start thinking very seriously about this, there are a number of things that can be deduced from this!

I agree with Mum too, at least this man is trying to do something, why haven't the PJ done this? I know that it is a huge tall order to search this dam, but it can be done if it is done properly and with the right latest technology.

I do not enjoy keeping on about the PJ, but cant help but be completely chilled about what HelenM said about them last night and I feel very uneasy about them and always have. Please any Portuguese posters this is just so not a slight on you or your country and please do not take it as such, believe me if the situation was reversed, I would probably be harder on the British police.

Anonymous said...

Rosie,

I also get the feeling that she may still be alive........I do not know why because I am not remotely psychic.........it's just a feeling I get sometimes..........I must say that it is very pleasent here this morning .......long may it last..........I like the idea of a gossip corner.........I think that A's & V's sites need a Trash can.........Hopefully we can do without that now the site appear to be moderated effectively......
Keep up the good work.

Jojam

Mandz said...

I hope the PJ are looking into this as you say this man appears convinced however if he finds Maddie Rosie does that mean he gets the reward money? Is that why he is doing it?
Why don’t they ask for special equipment to look in this lake I’m sure someone has this special equipment or perhaps from another Country?

Dobywalah said...

Good afternoon all, am giving it another try. Know before I start it's going to go pear shaped but nothing ventured nothing gained. Can't stay with you anyway as I have a very busy afternoon ahead. Still, it will be a start. Thanks for the Email by the way, I guess it was from you Sassy as there was no name given.

Dobalah Mon.26th Feb. 12.45

Mandz said...

Hiya Doby!!!

Lovely to see you!

Dobywalah said...

Hi there Ladies, and gentlemen if there any around? thanks for the Email Sassy, am giving this another try but can't stay on as I have a busy afternoon ahead.

Dobywalah.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi All, just popping in whilst on lunch. I understand the Dutch girl is still adamant it was Madeleine she saw. I believe there has also been a sketch of the man drawn up. Cant say I've seen it published, has anyone else ?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hey Doby, Hooray you've made it!!

Good to see. Look forward to catching up with you. :0)

Anonymous said...

Good morning, everyone - system won't let me sign in this morning - don't know why. But this is CALCITE51. Hope you are all well.

I agree - definitely the McCanns should be allowed to see the video. Also, quite surprise that the French police didn't turn the video over to Scotland Yard to confirm that it was NOT Madeleine.

SuperTroll - welcome - I was on your site last nite and congratulations, it is very well done.

josiepublic said...

Hello Mandz; you called? I always answer argumentative posts remember?

Now lets see if you are any more capable of debating on here than
previous attempts and prove that you continue to insult mine and others intelligence because you have some real grounds to do so.

Two police forces have the McCanns as the Prime Suspects and the proof they have against them was enough to grant more questioning.
Who mentioned LCN DNA as the only DNA the police have or the only proof? Put a link up please as this is pure speculation on your part and conveniently discounts any other evidence. What.... haven't seen the files dear me....claim thats because there is no evidence? March is getting closer Mandz and thats the most likely time the case will move forward.

Remember what you said about Murat's mum? "Well she would give him an alibi wouldn't she." How are the prime suspects relatives/parents any different?

Please try to address these issues because as long as you don't for the majority of us your argument makes you, this site and other McCann supporters simply ghouls who have no respect for a little child who was abandoned and possibly harmed at the hands of her parents. Madeleine deserved and will have justice.
Answer my post, delete it or ignore it- the PJ and Leicester police force will continue to work for Madeleine and her best interests even if they conflict with her parents.

Madeleine its suspected was their victim and they cannot run from the law forever.

Nice to read you Mandz, you are eloquent as always. Plainwaters.

Dobywalah said...

Well, well, Seems as though it works after all, amazing, didn't for one minute think it would! Hi there Mandz glad to hear from you and everyone else on this new forum. Hope it's successful, have not had chance to read any of your comments but rest assured you will be hearing from me very shortly! Bye for now, good luck with the new venture, and thanks especially to you Sassy for being so patient!

Dobywalah.

Mandz said...

Hiya Tinks!

Nice to see you!
Will go and have a search!

Tinkerbell43 said...

We have addressed these issues, what do you think we have been doing for 10 months. We just have not reached the same conclusion as you. I hope the PJ & Leicestershire authorities are working together for the best interest of Madeleine, because this little child needs reuniting with her family one way or another.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Right I'm off Guys, it was a toss up between another post or a ciggie, sorry the weed one!

Catch ya laters! Someones got to keep the wheels of British industry going :0) Byeeee.

Dobywalah. said...

HIYA TINKS, before i buz off read one post from, is it "josiepublic" or is it "plainwater"? no matter, I was quite surprised at his/her comment as I thought all the so called aggressive "Anit's" had abandoned ship when they realized their game was up!But you always get the odd 'die hard' in all walks of life don't you. Can't be bothered hanging around for a response, we can have a good chat later I hope!

Dobywaller

Rosiepops said...

Hi Doby

hey great to see you here, welcome to our little blog and we are growing daily in members.

I am just in the process of bringing Laz over too.

really pleased you are here doby, really pleased x

Mandz said...

Hello Plain or whoever you are. I called? When did I call and what post did I allegedly send to you that you “think” you are answering?

If you send me the so called post then I’ll know what you are on about! Also just for the record Murat is also a “suspect”!

Ps You have a good few “?” left out at the end of your sentences and “…’…”. Always happy to help you out and no need to thank me!

Look forward to reading “my” “alleged “ post!

Regards,

Mandz

Mum21 said...

josiepublic..or plainwaters..or viv...or whoever you are.

Firstly we have debated all you have said weeks and weeks ago. Why hash over old news?
We would rather wait patiently for an update on the case.

Secondly..who says the Leicestershire police are working alongside and sharing the same views as the Portuguese police?
If I remember correctly it was Amaral's statement that the Leicester police were siding with the McCann's version of events that got him kicked off the investigation.

Now if you want to debate..then please get your facts right.

Mum21 said...

Everyone. I think we all know who that long and tedious post was from.
And if I am correct she is the last person we want or need on here.
Anyone agree?

helenm said...

Mum21 I agree that this is not a poster one would invite to post on here, but as long as her/he posts are not abusive then IMO let her posts remain. I,m sure Mandz has heard far worse, I know I have.If it is Viv et al she will not be able to sustain this almost debateable post. The cracks will soon start to show.

If nothing else it shows him/her for what they are to other visitors to our site.

helenm said...

Mum21 yeah gods! he posts, knew that this computer couldn't spell. Please read His.

Mum21 said...

Hi Helen. I understand what you are saying. And you are probably right. But the thought of having Viv and her followers on here fills me with dismay.

Anonymous said...

Helen, I agree that if the posts are not abusive it should not be a problem for anyone to post here whatever their opinion as long as they do not make false accusations..........we may not agree with everyones views but they have a right to them the same as you or I..........to debate you need some differing opinions......you do not have to agree.

I really do not care if they have posted on other sites under other names...........I treat each one with respect or ignore them if they choose to post in an abusive manner because they then do not warrant my respect....& will no doubt be deleted.

Jojam

helenm said...

Mum21 does me too, back to the feelings of anger and frustration that dogged me on the DX site, but as Seawitch says look beyond their ID, choose to read and answer whoever you like. I'm certainly going to try it (don't know how long it will last though!)

It has always been my aim to treat people as you would expect to be treated yourself, but I must say that some of the more vicious posters bring out a side in me that I didn't know I had.

On a lighter note, can I say that I think your photo is lovely. (no I'm not stalking you, lol!) I just find it very pleasing to look at. Better leave it there can imagine how this may be misconstrued!lol

Mum21 said...

It is not their views I worry about Jojam....it is their hatred and vile behaviour.
You were not here yesterday when we had loads of vile comments being posted on here. The language was beyond belief.
If we let the likes of Viv and her followers comment on here...then before long this blog will be just like hers.

Mum21 said...

Helen. So you like my avatar. te he he.
Well Claudia does not...she said the one I used before showed not my face but my soul.
It was a dig as per usual.

As for the likes of Viv coming on here....well once is ok. But if we constantly get visits like yesterday where we have to constantly delete posts. Then that concerns me.

helenm said...

mum21, jojam anyone else around, off to have lunch, catch up with you all later.

Mum21 said...

Ladies. I am going off for a little while now. Have some chores to do.
See you all later I hope.

Anonymous said...

Rosie, sent you a message.
Got another threatening one.
What to do?

Anonymous said...

Mum21, Yes I can understand your concerns.........having read yesterdays posts I was disscusted.........hence my first post this morning...........but I feel we need to mantain our integrity and rise above the likes of these vile vindictive people........and if that means constant deleting so be it ........better than rising to the bait and decending to their level as appeared to happen yesterday..........I really must go and get on with my work.......bye for now

Jojam

Mum21 said...

Oh no Jojam..no way did we descend to their level. Far from it.
As I said..you did not read them.
They were disgusting to say the very least.

Anonymous said...

Mum21 I did read yesterday & this morning before Sassy deleted a lot of them they were disgusting and while I agree that most of the good folk on here were not as bad........some rose to the bait and behaved in an undignified manner and were in danger of becoming so.

It is much better today though.

Jojam

SassyP said...

Hiya Doby

Glad you made it! Nice work!

The e-mail was from me - it is my throwaway address for this site.

SassyP said...

Where you all gawn???

Mandz said...

The horror of Haut de la Garenne was discovered thanks to the super-sensitive noses of two springer spaniels. They sniffed out the human remains found on Saturday through seven inches of concrete, police said.

The dogs also pinpointed several other suspicious sites both inside and outside the former children's home.

The first spaniel, seven-year-old Eddie, is an 'enhanced' victim recovery dog specialising in detecting buried human blood, bones and flesh.

The second, Keela, has been trained to track down remains corresponding to microscopic blood traces.

Only last year the two 'cadaver' dogs from South Yorkshire Police were in Portugal, taking part in the hunt for clues to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

They found specks of blood in the McCanns' apartment, and were used to conduct searches elsewhere in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz.

**********************************

Interesting but we do not know what the evidence is in the McCann case re: Dogs and I have read the dogs walked past the McCann’s car however was pulled back and marched round a good few times.

Chinadoll said...

Just got in and had a scan of Sky News online and found this:-

Reported by Nick Pisa
In Rome

' Italian firefighters called to rescue a teenager trapped down a well have made a grim discovery - the decomposing remains of two boys missing for more than 18months.
Francesco Pappalardi, 12 and his brother Salvatore, 14 vanished in June 2006. Their father Filippo is in custody accused of their murder.
Before the discovery at the foot of a 20metre disused well, the two brothers had last been seen playing in the street outside their home.
Emergency services were called to the well at Gravina in Puglia near Bari, southern Italy, after a 13year old, named only as Michele, fell down it while playing football with friends after school.
Firefighters were lowered into the well and after a delicate two hour operation Michele was successfully pulled out alive, suffering from fractures to both legs.
But it was as they went back down the well to shore it up and make it safe that they found the remains.
They were said to have fragments of clothing which were similar to the items worn by the two brothers when they disappeared.
Bari's police chief Vincenzo Maria Speranza said "It looks without doubt that these are the remains of Francesco and Salvatore Pappalardi.
"What we need to establish now is did they fall down the well, or were they pushed down there, or were they dumped there already dead. In order to do that we will need to carry out extensive tests on the remains and this will take several days"
Fire chief Giovanni Micunco said:
"The first body was seen close to where the boy fell down the well. The second was close by and both appeared to be mummified. Retrieving both sets of remains will be difficult and what we will probably do is dig another shaft down so that we can access the bodies and bring them safely to the surface"

In 1981 Italy was glued to the TV as an 18 hour rescue operation to rescue a six year old boy who had fallen down a well near Rome ended in failure '

..................................

I posted this because we have previously had many discussions on the DX forum about the possibilty that (and I hate to think it) Madeleine could have been disposed of down one of the many wells in the area around PDL. I remember many people saying that to search each well would be too exhaustive and could not reasonably be expected.
We read of private individuals paying for divers to search lakes as this has not been undertaken by the investigation team.
Is it time these wells were looked at and professional searches undertaken?
Thank goodness that little Michele was rescued alive.

Mum21 said...

Just popped on for a few minutes before cooking. Has anyone read the other comment by plainwaters?
It is the last comment on yesterdays postings.

Chinadoll said...

Hi there Mandz,
You are right. Gerry McCann said that he could not believe it when he viewed the video evidence of the dog that inspected the line up of cars. The dog showed no interest and walked right past the hire car, but was dragged back by the dog handler.

Mandz said...

China!
Thank you for that article and yes they need to search however why haven’t they? Why not ask for help from other Countries and search properly and thoroughly? It’s not that big a place therefore surely this should be looked at.
Glad that wee boy got rescued however those other two really heartbreaking.

Mandz said...

Mum21

No where is it?

Chinadoll said...

Mandz,

It is on the grandfathers article from yesterday. Click on latest comment and scan down. You will see I have posted a response.

Mandz said...

Thank You Chian!
Will go and have a look!

Chinadoll said...

Exactly Mandz,

Leak after leak after leak saying little Madeleine is dead. If they really thought that and had evidence to substantiate it, then they should be dredging the lakes and searching the wells themselves.

Or were they expecting a confession and hence all the false accusations - hoping that the parents or one of the group would crack. Some strategy and it stinks.

I agree that if they ask for outside help, they would get it and should do so now.

Mandz said...

Hi China!
Yes they should have asked for help away back then Britain would have come in and provided the special equipment if they do not have this in Portugal + people who are experts in cave diving etc would have come over and helped. All that was required was for them to ask. They declined the British experts from day one who have experience in dealing with these types of case however they said no?? Why?? Why not admit we are not experienced enough in this field therefore please take over or advise us because we have little knowledge with these types of investigations. It was a little girl not a lost puppy. They have put their pride before a missing child and like not searching properly makes me very suspicious of them. Yes they have leaked on numerous times about Maddie being dead well go and search????

Anonymous said...

Latest news about Shannon:

Police search house of missing Shannon's uncle as detectives now say she was murdered

Last updated at 16:52pm on 26.02.08
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23440111-details/Police%20search%20house%20of%20Shannon's%20uncle%20as%20officers%20reveal%20disappearance%20being%20treated%20as%20murder/article.do

lisaj said...

hi everyone...with regard to Madeleine being spotted in England..i believe they may bring her here because it is so obvious. Ever hidden Xmas presents? Put them right under their noses and they wont look there..in WW11 they would hide the jews in Paris right next door to the Nazi HQ because they assumed no-one would hide that close! It is possible Madeleine is back in the Uk we all know our borders are the easiest to cross just look at all the immigrants!

lisaj said...

rosiepops

It took me ages to find the page...thanks for letting me know where you all were even if i did arrive unfashionably late!

Chinadoll said...

Hi there Lisaj,

Nice to see you. Have you had a chance to catch up on all the posts?

I am multi tasking at the moment and just noticed you here.

Hope you are well.

JANEGT said...

CHINADOLL AND EVERYONE GOOD EVENING

not got your email add - that's why.
blogger add only......searched for hours and finally sorted it. MSN DOWN ALL MORNING TOO. SO BALL YOUR COURT. RSVP.

I read that the councillor in Dorset wasn't 'that sure' it was indeed Madeleine, There was a 2nd girl in back seat of car aged approx 9 ... he was 'encouraged to speak out' about it. somehow not genuinely Madeleine, but 2 girl in back of car with different language speaking parents would be or should be enough to further enquire about. This story does not add up. He says they went to his toilet, and he heard the girl being hit. Why not block them in and call police? There would be DNA in the loo....why when they were in there did he not go out and take down car reg??? Did he have a wife or family there too and what did they think? No. Smell a rat.

The rench siting though, the girl seems absolutely sure of it being Madeleine because of her distinctive right eye which is a 1:5,000 abnormailty. This too needs further investigation.

I agree you cannot go round 'grabbing' blnde children of 4, but you can 'detain' them whilst getting a photo and calling police.

Ask directions, act daft, anything at all to engage, delay and contact. It's like putting cooked spaghetti through a tennis raquet instead of a sieve ..... daft. If in Dorset a Portuguese couple not being xenophobic, axiomtic, then with 2 blonde girls where were they from wanting 'garden furniture'???? EH???? SENSELESS.

FRENCH ONE ISN'T AND THE MCCANNS SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THIS IMMEDIATELY.

Chinadoll said...

Mandz,

Ref your last post, I could not agree more.

Surely it is not too late to accept the help offered and commence a thorough search of the wells and lakes now?

To think that the two little boys, would not have been found and given the opportunity to be laid to rest, without the accident of the third child. In addition, now the Italian police have access to their bodies, hopefully, they will ascertain their true cause of death.

lisaj said...

hi china

yes i have read through some of the posts and note the references to the abusive anonymous posts?

Hope this site remains civilised.

Chinadoll said...

Hi there Janegt,

Hubby is busy on the email site at the moment, but will send one sometime this evening. Perhaps my old one went into your spam? It was registered as sent in my sent box.

Did you read my post a little earlier about the wells?

Chinadoll said...

Lisaj,

Did you see the note on the top side of the front page of this site, advising abusive posters to go to Viles site?

They were here yesterday and also on Alsabellas site, stirring up trouble - hence the deletions.

This site is sometimes quiet early evening, but gets pretty busy later on.

JANEGT said...

just put dinner on so here a little while

I read that the Dorset sighting was by a Mr Cameron.

On other blogs we won't mention, they are saying this is Ms Cameron's relation....... Gerry's relation????

Also being linked to Scotland now.

Why am I not surprised????

JANEGT said...

chinadoll

yes saw your previous posts. Awful story about the well. Dreadful. How sad.

The Shannon case seems a very different one from Madeleine's however, Feel they know more on it from offset.

Going to check on the Chilli now.

catch you later.

thanks.
;o)))

Chinadoll said...

Hi there Janegt and anyone else looking in.

We will not be goaded by foul mouthed posters. These will be deleted in due course. We will continue to converse as normal.

Chinadoll said...

Janegt,

Enjoy your chilli - catch you later.

Chinadoll said...

Just been on Supertrolls site (she posted here earlier - click on her username to enter site) and was very impressed. Another excellent site. I would recommend it to anyone who has not taken a look.

Anonymous said...

chinadoll have you got a link?

Dobywalah said...

Good evening friends and I have read some of your posts. I must confess you all seem very well informed about sightings both in France and in the UK and I'm going to be rather unpopular in saying "haven't we been having false sighting for the past 10 months now and it's all so sad and disappointing each time!You all know about my theory in abduction by Sea and I still maintain this is a very feasible possibility.And even were that the case there would be nothing say she is still not alive somewhere, even in the UK. Boats cans come and go as they please! I'ts just that I'm becoming a bit disilusioned with all of these sightings. Is the offer of a large rewarde affecting peoples judgments when spotting look alike little blonde children?

Chinadoll said...

Hi there Anon,

Scroll up this pages to the posts that were made this morning and when you see Supertrolls post, click on her name and her page will open. Then click on 'My take on things' and your in (that is how I did it) A very good site too.

JANEGT said...

NICE TO SEE YOU DOBY

AND YOU cHINADOLL

I TOO BELIEVE N THE SEA TRANSPORTATION ANGLE.

I ALSO FEEL THAT OUT OF THE NUMEROUS SIGHTINGS FOR 10 MONTHS NOT all of them CAN BE FALSE. I DO FEEL THAT SOME, A FEW, WERE PROBABLY HER. The lack of follow up troubles me though.

chilli watching so on and off.

catch you soon

;o()))

Doby said...

Hello Doby,

Lovely to see you.

I know your view about Madeleine being taken by sea and it is quite possible.

Regarding the sightings, they must be followed up, just incase one of them is right. Also, although deflating when they amount to nothing (and imagine how that must impact on the family)as you say, she could be anywhere and it is at least encouraging that people continue to look

JANEGT said...

yes, chinadoll

I too have had brief look at Supertrolls site. Interesting....

catch you l8r.

still chilli stirring, just waiting for rice now. Smells gorgeous.......

jane

JANEGT said...

doby

have you a twin?????

jane

Chinadoll said...

Sorry Doby,

That post to you at 20.00hrs was from me, don't know what I did wrong there.

SassyP said...

Hi there

How is it going? Seems pretty peaceful!

JANEGT said...

wondering why not reported throughout our press re the M3 investigator caught with large amount of drugs.....surely more newsworthy than lot of stuff on front pages of late???

A lot of petitions for Madeleine have been taken down....why? Including one for Gordon Brown apparently. Anyone know of this and why???? Odd.

Chinadoll said...

Hi Sassy,

Scroll up, you have some moderating to do.

JANEGT said...

no sassy p look at 7.17 on posts. one and a half hours it's been there.

agin.

SassyP said...

Hiya Chinadoll and Janegt

I was just sorting it out when you posted!

Think I have everything sorted out - glad noone fell for it and started arguing! Nice move folks!

You may have seen the note about posters who goad and aggravate on the first page. This is because on Vile's site it gives our address and says "Normal people may find the views repugnant" (or something similar).

Chinadoll said...

Sassy,

Yes, the addition to the front post was noted and I mentioned it here too.
Plainwaters left a post on yesterdays post about Grandpa McCann.

SassyP said...

Chinadoll

Is Plainwaters' post worth removing?

Chinadoll said...

Sassy,

I commented on it after Mum21 popped in and mentioned it was there. It is, of course, inaccurate in more than one way, especially, as most of us were not banned from the DX - but, at least it was not abusive. Thought you might like to read it, that's all.

Did you get a chance to read my post about the Italian children and the wells?

JANEGT said...

chinadoll

the obscene ill person posts exactly same posts on supertrolls site. they are still there for perhaps jojam to read the bile coming out from them to us. Last night was most unusual but the responses were exceedingly mild I assure you compared to the despicable fould mouthed comments and personal attacks made again and again and agan. We have been a warm, funny and friendly group till then., evdently.

We know exactly who this person is, and so does the press.

Copies are available.

I make no apoloies for my responses last night. If you refer to Seawitch and myself, it is friendly nonsense......no more no less. f critical of what happened yesterday, read the FULL POSTS. Then you might begin to understand what went on.

SassyP said...

Chinadoll

No, not yet. Had an evening class and as soon as I got back I had a look here to check if there was anything that should be removed.

Can't get hold of the other 3 mods cos Hotmail.de has been down for the most of the day.

Chinadoll said...

Janegt,

I know exactly what you mean.

Now watch you do not burn that rice lol

SassyP said...

Hiya Chinadoll

Yup! I found it. Interesting article. Seems daft in the McCanns' case not to check out the wells when there is money spent checking out Morocco, doesn't it. Naturally, I don't know what clues they have that there is in fact something worth checking in Morocco, but looking a bit nearer to "home" to start with would probably make more sense.

JANEGT said...

no, didn't burn it. Eaten...gobbled.....yum yum

enjoyed it.

Nice on a cold, wet night to have chilli .....

Hotmail has been a pain today. I couldn't get on to do some stuff this morning, then again later, so dabbled round Internet. OK now though. Never been as bad as today in my experience..........

Wonder what's gone wrong with hotmail??

Supertroll has left the obscene hideous posts from last night on her site should anyone care to be shocked...................

JANE

jak said...

Hi All, read some of yesterdays and today's posts earlier and gather the site address is now open! It was only a matter of time, best just to ignore the offensive ones until they are deleted.

China, read the article on those Italian boys on sky, heartbreaking. It does make you think though, the father has been held in custody for 18 months for their murder. Hopefully now the authorities will carry out tests to find out how these poor boys met their fate, for all they know it could have been a similar tragedy.

The media seem to have stopped printing articles about Madeleine, it has unnerved me more than the constant rubbish written about daily.

I just hope it means there is a real lead and they are being gagged at the moment.

Anyway, nice to read you all again.

SassyP said...

Janegt

It's just started working again!

SassyP said...

Hiya Jak

Glad you could join us!

Chinadoll said...

Sassy,

Surely the pj should be doing this, as I understood outside agencies are limited as to what they can do when investigating in Portugal?
Also, some of the wells are likely to be on private land and only the pj would have jurisdiction.
I am sure outside agencies could be called on to help, but surely the pj should instigate and oversee same?

SassyP said...

Chinadoll

I think the PJ should have done a lot they haven't bothered to do!

It should have been done at the start of the investigation if there was a possibility of her being there, IMO.

Chinadoll said...

Hi Jak,

Nice to see you.

The media silence is, indeed puzzling - I too, hope that progress is being made behind the scenes and that this poor family will get some kind of closure.

Chinadoll said...

Janegt,

You should have mail - fingers crossed.

jak said...

Hi Sassy, It only took me about 3 attempts lol, never said I was adept.

Anything new, saw news reports about Shannon, it's not looking good. Poor girl, I think the media's reporting on this was shameful last week. Only focusing on the unusual family arrangement, rather than a plea for information.

Glad to be back.

Chinadoll said...

Exactly Sassy,

After reading the article about the Italian children, I thought to myself, that despite all the earlier mistakes, this could still be done now.
Of course, I pray Madeleine is not down one of those wells, but the pj constantly leak that they think she is dead, so why are they not out there searching the wells and lakes? It has been well reported, that a certain type of abductor would be unlikely to keep her alive, so it seems logical to me that they should resume searches.

SassyP said...

Jak

3 attempts is fine at the start!

Didn't hear about the strange family set-up. They are checking out an uncle of hers aren't they - one paper said it was an uncle and the other an old boyfriend of the mum.

jak said...

Hi China, good to see you.

It is quite surreal about the sudden lack of "news" after 10 months of constant info, or more realistic mis-info.

I think it was Jane who previously talked about forum fatigue, good description, I'm suffering a bit myself at the moment but don't want to loose touch with everyone. So, forgive if I don't post often but I will read when I can.

Off for late dinner, hope to get back later.

SassyP said...

Right and they also said without a body to prove someone's death, you are on step 1 and with a body step 9. To bring the case to some kind of conclusion, Madeleine has to be found - dead or alive.

elaine said...

hello everybody, hotmail and msn seem to have been on and off today- but I have replied to you Jane ... I know at my request you gave my e-mail address to friends on here and if anybody wants to add me to their live msn they are welcome, we can perhaps have a conference chat!! live. No news I see which is normal nowadays, but plenty about other poor little souls. I guess Madeleine falling down an uncapped well was discounted some time ago by Alsabella - I cannot imagine why there are wells that children can fall down anyway!! Hope all is well. Anon is best ignored as everybody did. too bad there are people who are such losers they have to troll about with their foul language etc. what sad little lives they must have

Chinadoll said...

Spot on Sassy,

If they truly want to find out the truth, they should be doing everything possible to find her and if they really think she is dead, then they should be doing everything possible to find her little body.

How the McCann family cope with this nightmare, I do not know. The treatment of this family by the pj is absolutely inhumane.

Chinadoll said...

Janegt,

The mail was unsuccessful - don't know why.

Anonymous said...

What do you guys think of Eddie's fantastic habilities?

Anonymous said...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 040094.ece

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Rosiepops said...

Hi everyone, haven't read back posts since I went off, how is everything?

elaine said...

China .. do you have my e-mail address? If you do then send what you want to Jane and I can forward it for you

Chinadoll said...

Hi Rosiepops,

Hope you are well.

elaine said...

Hello Rosie, there doesn't appear to be anything new about Madeleine which is hardly anything new!! Lots about other poor little mites around the world though, it makes you sick. And talking about sickos Jane appears to have a troll stalking her which is very sad because the language is quite foul .... pity some people have nothing better to do

Chinadoll said...

Elaine,

No I have not and I am having problems getting my mail to Janegt.
Will keep trying, as it sounds like Hotmail is having problems at the moment.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi All, hope you are all well. Dare I ask, any news ?

Rosiepops said...

Oh dear, the best advise I can give you Jane is to totally ignore it. Jane I will email you.

I think there is something much more disturbing about Madeleine's disappearance than any of us actually think. I am not thinking about her parents in this, I think they are totally innocent, but I am scared for them.

Anonymous said...

What do you guys think of Eddie's fantastic habilities? Isn't he great?

Chinadoll said...

Hi Tinks,

Not of the new variety.

I posted earlier about a tragic story about 3 Italian children, which I felt relevant to this case.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi China, I'm not upto speed, had a problem this evening. Can you remember roughly what time you posted your article, would like to have a read.

Rosiepops said...

I have been thinking about what HelenM said yesterday and to be honest, it is quite alarming.

Are you here Helen? If you are I tried that link in the Google translator but I think I understood more of it when it was in Spanish lol

Tinkerbell43 said...

Rosie Hiya, did Helen post some info on the PJ yesterday ?

JANEGT said...

china

no mail

up and running

don't understand have you got it right?? will put it up briefly again, then am taking it down for obvious reasons on my profile. Only emails from you via this blog address no return. no others.

Chinadoll said...

Tinks,

16.48 and Mandz posts following that were good.

JANEGT said...

on ow taking it off in 2 mins....

jane

Chinadoll said...

Janegt,

Don't put it up.

I have emailed Sassyp and asked her to pass my add onto you.

JANEGT said...

down now. hope you got it.

archer said...

Hi all - yes there are certainly some sickos about. Have just been outside sweeping up smashed glass bottles that 6 failed male experiments have throw at all the parked cars... must check under my wheels in the morning.
Read in the times-online that another young girl was approached just a few miles away from Shannon on the same day. I think they got a make on the car That may help.

dianeh said...

Hi Rosie and co.

I too have previously thought that the McCanns have ended up in the middle of something bigger than a random child abduction. And that is one of the reasons that I think she may still be alive.

dianeh said...

On the video, the FBI have the best equipment in the world for dealing with poor quality video. If the McCanns could get a look at it and if they were not sure, then it should be passed to the FBI.

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