Wednesday 27 February 2008

Have Kate and Gerry McCann any case to answer?

Again an older article, but one which is still of relevance! Have a nice day and see you later!

Legal opinion is united on the likelihood of the couple being charged. Criminal lawyers discuss the strength of the case against them

Frances Gibb, Legal Editor of The Times

Victims or villains? The personal views of lawyers this week are as split as those of the general public as to the likely culpability of the couple at the centre of case that is dominating the media.
In legal circles the consensus is that the chances of a successful prosecution being mounted against the McCanns turn almost entirely on the strength of the forensic evidence.

Trial by media is hazardous - not least because it puts at risk a fair trial. Professor Gary Slapper, Director of the Centre for Law, Open University, says: "I think a great iniquity against justice has been done by the confused status of information that has been leaked. A system, like Portugal's, of declining to put any item of police inquiry information whatsoever in the public domain while the case is being considered can be fair - but only if rigidly applied. As soon as there are leaks - as with conflicting information about the DNA in the hire car - you get the worst of both worlds: public evaluation of the case, based on speculations about alleged evidence."
What legal opinion seems united on, however, is the likelihood of the couple being charged. The solicitor adds: "The Portuguese police seem to have a real head of steam up - and they will look very silly, now, if charges are not brought."

So what is the strength of the DNA evidence that apparently forms the mainstay of the case being assembled against the couple? The same lawyer says: "My worry, if I was defending them, is that the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham that is conducting the tests is very good. These guys know what they are doing."

John Cooper, an experienced criminal barrister, agrees. "If - and we can only go on what has been reported, and making the assumption that it is accurate - a quantity of samples of hair were found in the boot of the car then that would be very powerful evidence and they may well have a case to answer."

The DNA experts would also be able to tell, he adds, whether the DNA had been "secondarily transferred" - in other words, it was there because it had been carried on another family member's clothes or had come directly from Madeleine's body.

The finding of a body would obviously be helpful to the prosecution, because from that, the cause of death could be detected and other forensic evidence adduced, he adds. "But many people are convicted of murder or manslaughter without a body ever being found. It is not essential."
Yet even if a prosecution proceeds, criminal lawyers are equally robust in their view - on present knowledge of what evidence exists - that the chances of a conviction are slender. Professor Slapper says: "I think that without some new and incontrovertibly incriminating evidence, culpability will be impossible to determine reliably. Justice was so badly compromised by the authorities at the outset - the late arrival of the police, the failure quickly to seal the area and to alert national and regional offices - that even the slickest subsequent actions cannot retrieve that ground."

The (unnamed) criminal solicitor adds: "When you step back, you see that the scenario being presented here is inherently unlikely. The scene of crime has been contaminated and the fact that there are inconsistencies between witnesses' accounts of timings is entirely normal - you get that in every case."

The defence case, he says, would focus on the passage of time involved, more than three weeks, before the car was hired and DNA could have been present. "This time gap allows for contamination."

Simon Myerson, QC, a criminal barrister in Leeds, says: "There are several important questions to be asked here by any defence team. The first is: if this child's body was in the immediate vicinity for 25 days, why did nobody find it? This is bizarre."

Secondly, he says, was the question of motivation. "I can follow the scenario that one or both killed the child by accident and then covers it up. But to hide a body, and then three weeks later, without showing a sign of it, and with the world's media tracking their every move, for the couple to get the body into a car and get rid of it, then drive back again ... all without anyone seeing it ... it just seems so improbable."

Then there was the question of the cleaning of the car, he adds. If the car was not cleaned, and a body had been in it even for a short while, there should have been considerable DNA recovered. "But if it was cleaned, where is the evidence of that cleaning and how was it done without anyone seeing?"

Finally, a defence lawyer would question why the Portuguese police had allowed the car to be put back together after inspection - so allowing for continuing contamination, he says.

John Cooper adds that the defence could also focus on the "tightly defined period" during which the killing of Madeleine could have occurred and focus on filling any gaps during that time with alibis. "Secondly, there is the question of getting rid of the body and the improbability of doing this without being seen. The defence is entitled to speculate, as the prosecution would do, as to the likelihood of a course of action."

Robert Brown, a criminal defence solicitor, says that he was not convinced by the suggestion that the child had been accidentally killed. "Accidents do happen, but they are pretty rare." Nor is he so far convinced by the DNA evidence. "To what extent could this have been transferred? Scientists say it is a one in a million match - but they often mean: to that person - or his or her close relative. Madeleine's sister could have very similar DNA."

In his view, the suggestion that the couple, while "very much in the public eye", kept a body hidden, then disposed of it while "creating an enormous campaign as a diversionary tactic" did not ring true, he said. "You'd keep your head down and creep off to the woods rather than attract world-wide attention."

And finally what would a judge think? David Pannick, QC, a leading lawyer who sits as a recorder in the Crown Court, sums up the doubts of defence lawyers - at this early stage at least. "On the evidence so far made public, they [the McCanns] have no case to answer. In the English legal system," he adds, "we proceed on the basis of evidence, not speculation."

So do the Portuguese. But the speculation won't stop. The (unnamed) criminal solicitor says: "I think that they are innocent. But they are going to have to prove it."

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Anonymous said...

I'd be more interested in docquaks diary since he has publicly posted he knows what happened.

Mum21 said...

Hi China. I think the only thing you missed was a quick and quiet visit from Dadto3 :-)

Anonymous said...

well, this is the daftest rumour yet....saying Madeleine wasn't even in Portugal at all.......there were pictures of her b the pool issued on 4 May weren't there???? Beggars belief.

If only Malinka, Walczuch, Murat and antonio took Madeleine in cab, McCanns could already have gone o tapas bar on foot. Gerry said the door was open on his 9 pm check and he did not look far inside - saw twins -assuming she had gone to their room or loo he returned to tapas bar. I recal this as at time I thought what an odd hing to do. Find door ajar and NOT CHECK. hE LATER SAID HE THOUGHT AN ABDUCTOR could have been in apartment then........I recall this as being suspicious at the time.

Anonymous said...

Hi all.

I am back on had a few things to do. Tinks lol nearly did after that earthquake.

Anything new?

Mum21 said...

Jane. I think people are running out of debating material...so to suggest Madeleine was not even there gives a new subject to dabate :-)

Rosiepops said...

assasin

assasin said...
I'd be more interested in docquaks diary since he has publicly posted he knows what happened.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Apparently he was too upset to talk about it and so went to bed, trouble is I don't think his alarm clock has gone off yet as he hasn't been back to explain. (Perhaps he is dreaming of the Tapas 1?)

Anonymous said...

mum21

I thought PJ wanted to show Kate's state of mind was decidedly wobbly by taking her diary of which the PJ already have photocopies......???? Hmmmmm

Anonymous said...

mum21

dad 23 QUIET??

you jest.....

Rosiepops said...

Anonymous said...
Hi all.

I am back on had a few things to do. Tinks lol nearly did after that earthquake.

Anything new?

Anonymous said...

Thanks Mum21,

Didn't miss much then!

Anonymous said...

where's seawitch I mean weesnitch tonight?
I need abuse....only had one today being called jane tanner and someone knows where I live. Oh no they don't. I moved last month.

Anonymous said...

Good evening,
I am a little confused re the distances reported from Vila Real santo Antonio and the Ocean Club complex.

Vila Real is in the east of Portugal near to the Spanish border. By car it would take approx 1hour 15/20min give or take a few from the Ocean Club complex in PDL.

Someone (i'm sorry I have forgotten the name of the poster) said that a man and woman were seen 'dragging' a child towards the harbour in Lagos at dawn on the 4th. Is this a different sighting to the one where a man saw a couple carrying a child in Lagos about 6a.m. on the 4th who were looking suspicious?

Anonymous said...

mum21

So no Madeline in Portugal, why are we here. or even ARE we here??

The stories get wilder and madder day by day, so as you say, the sooner these letters are executed the better.

Anonymous said...

helen M that as me. Yes, same sighting.

Mum21 said...

Jane. Well I did not want to suggest we had all ignored him...oh noooooooo.

Anonymous said...

Sassyp I only mentioned google account because earlier today I was
looking at Alsabella's site and saw that Ginam had posted

Gina M says - Hello all just popped in for a Mo.

Doc Mac if you are still here, I look in on Supertrolls site yesterday and her blog is all about you and how you are not a doc etc. I find it strange that anybody who claims someone is bogus would even waste time mentioning them, let alone giving them huge blog space. You are getting more coverage than Madeleine.

I did post of Sassy's site again this morning but don't think I will bother again as it is impossible to have a debate because of the complete tunnel vision on the case. I was questioning why this was all taking so long and would have thought the McCanns would be pushing for the letters to be approved and the enquiry completed.

I see you are still getting anon posts. Seems to me that anybody who has not got the guts to put their name to their posting is not worth reading

Gina M

27 February 2008 14:29

Jane Hope4truth has been canvassing on A's site for voters!!!!

Anonymous said...

d the TVI report here:-

2008-02-27 20:41
Caso Maddie
Carta rogatória chegou a Inglaterra
Parece estar assim desbloqueado todo um processo de indefinição que durava há vários meses.

http://www.tvi.iol.pt/informacao/noticia.php?id=921110

Google translation:

PJ and British police have now begun contacts to set all the details of the journey of the inspectors Portuguese, which is thus increasingly close to happening.

The letter rogatory will allow any further interrogations and questioning the couple McCann and friends, as well as apprehend the original diary of the mother, Madeleine.

In British soil, researchers Criminal Police will not be able to participate in the effort, have only a function of monitoring.

_________________

Rosiepops said...

Madeleine not in Portugal at all? And they call her being abducted far fetched?

How come these antis are not prepared to believe that Murat and all his proven lies was seen by around 15 people, has questions to answer, yet they readily believe that Madeleine was not ever in Portugal, despite being seen by dozens of people, records of her travelling on the the flight and photos of her by the pool and several other places and CCTV footage of her on the beach on May 3rd?

The word barking springs to mind.

Anonymous said...

helenM



forgot to add if you look at Daily Mail website today it explains the taxi took them 2.5 miles to hotel, where they, 3 men and blonde woman got in a blue British Registered Jeep to go to within 15 minutes of Spanish border. It's online. The cctv cameras at hotel were not working conveniently.

dianeh said...

Assassin/Jane

Here is an cut from a sixty minutes article about Gerry checking on madeleine.

RICHARD BILTON: Gerry McCann says he went at just after 9.00 to check on his children. He remembers looking down at Madeleine. He spent a moment thinking how beautiful she looked and how lucky he was. He says this was the last time he saw his daughter. Now what follows is a crucial part of this story. The police say that there are many inconsistencies in what the group who were having dinner with the McCanns — the so-called Tapas 9 — have said in their witness statements. Jane Tanner is the only one of the group of friends who has agreed to speak to us. Why have you chosen to speak now?

Not Gerry's words, Richard Bilton (whoever that is ???/)

From this article
http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=327864

So Gerry says he did see Madeleine at 9. I thought he did see her and that later on he said that the door to the bedroom was open and he thought he had closed it before he left. So after thinking about it, the abductor may even have been in the apartment when he checked.

So quite possible that JT did see the abductor carrying Madeleine.

Anonymous said...

rosiepops

is your hotmail working today???

I got no emails yesterday, got some from this blog today.....???

Mum21 said...

Well a little Portuguese bird told me the British police have now been in contact with the PJ...and their arrival in imminent.
Not sure if this little bird tells porkies though.

dianeh said...

Hi Mum

Bird, are you sure? Harpy would be more appropriate.

Anonymous said...

Jane,
I know the man who saw this couple and his account is that after dropping his son off at the train station in Lagos, near to the harbour he saw in his headlights a man and woman carrying what he presumed was a child wrapped in a blanket, they were heading towards the train station/harbour. He said they were very furtive. However not knowing that a child (Madeleine) had been reported missing did not attach any significance to it until later that day, when he quite rightly reported it to the police.

Mum21 said...

Dianeh. Well..I was trying to be polite because the bird was a vulture.

Anonymous said...

http://www.portugesepoliceinsider.blogspot.com/

Rosiepops said...

Thanks Anon,

I hope the report is correct, I really do, but I have heard this particular story several times already and the rogatory letters have already supposed to have been in the country around 3 times before, so I will not be holding my breath.

Why do they keep on about this diary? If it does not have written in it by Kates hand "I killed Madeleine" what use is it in court? it is all circumstantial if not inadmissible. She was advised to write this diary after Madeleine disappeared, the PJ have already had it and taken copies of it and *given it back*, what use is it? I bet this is yet another red herring and deliberate leak put out by the PJ. Haven't they learned yet?

Anonymous said...

Rosiepops.

Too drunk, too stupid and realised what he'd posted maybe Rosie so had to go mute. He must be the only person on the entire internet to have posted they KNOW what happened lol!

He's worse than comical ali. His med 'knowledge' shall be forever more infamous i reckon. More dangerous than Wikepedia

Anonymous said...

more an ugly black crow. . . /

thanks helen m ... TRY THE DAILY MAIL online article too......... never heard of this British Reg. blue jeep before.......

some odd stories and snippets coming out now.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Jane,

It seems to be working fine, although It has been acting up a bit for about a week now.

Anonymous said...

To the anonymous poster who originally posted the story of the taxi driver, on last nights forum.

I thanked you for your input at the time and thought you were a well meaning soul, who (silly me) was posting an impartial interpretation, of a Portuguese news article, for our reference.
Please do not bother posting your drivel again.
If you truly have anything of merit to say, then please give yourself a name, even if it is 45678, or whatever.

Rosiepops said...

JANEGT said...
where's seawitch I mean weesnitch tonight?
I need abuse....only had one today being called jane tanner and someone knows where I live. Oh no they don't. I moved last month.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

LOL I remember you mentioning it.

Anonymous said...

There were 2 odd checks, one at whatever time when Gerry found door ajar, saw twins and assumed M. elsewhere + returned to dinner.

Then there's another check where the man just 'listened at the door' so M could have been in taxi then jeep to Lagos as noone saw her, till Kate DIDN'T see her at 10 pm.....

if you get my drift.....

Mum21 said...

Rosie. So far I cannot find any news over here to say the PJ had been in touch with the British police...and would soon be on their way over here.

Rosiepops said...

Hi china,

or 12345 will suffice!

Anonymous said...

Thats the sighting i was asking about earlier Helen. Thanks for posting. Knew I remembered seeing this guy on TV right at the beginning.

Rosiepops said...

Assasin
Apparently Alsabella and 2345 and viv know too!
(Perhaps they should tell the PJ?)

Anonymous said...

Jane,
The hotel was in Monte Gordo, Vila Real Santo Antonio, not in Lagos.

dianeh said...

Hi China

I must have missed something, what is wrong with the article that Anon posted last night (taxi driver article).

I agree it would be nice if Anon would use some name so that we can tell one Anon from another.

Mum21 said...

The alleged update on the taxi driver story is...he thought the woman looked like Kate...but he was not sure.
Now can anyone convince me this article is genuine and not a setup?

Anonymous said...

Anonymoo...se,

If we need the latest news, we have the internet at our disposal and do not need snide slant/misinterpretation on events.

Get some sleep anon and do us all a favour.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Mum

great to see your happy smiling face pop up there.

Thanks for that, I do not think the letters are here and what is more I do not think they were ever here or ever intended to be here. I just thinbk it is more spurious leaks from a PJ source!

dianeh said...

jane

sorry but where did Gerry ever say that he didnt see Madeleine. Maybe once again I have missed something but I have never heard this from him. The excerpt from the sixty minutes article I believe to be true as they would have sued sixty minutes if it wasnt. So I think he says he saw Madeleine at 9 pm.

Anonymous said...

Exactly Rosiepops,

Good Evening to you too.

Anonymous said...

no Helen M....just that after dropping them at he hotel, wheredid the blue jeep go? Perhaps to the boat? don't know just rying to figure out the scenario of a kidnap, taxi, jeep and ???? then what??? either drive over border. . . or get on Malinka's boat??

no idea. trying to figure it all out if taxi IF TAXI event actually happened and it was Madeleine.

I have no idea. You know the area well, what do you think of this latest twist??

Rosiepops said...

I remember Gerry saying that the last time he looked at Madeleine she was fast asleep and ho thought how beautiful she was, thi is widely accepted as the last time he saw his daughter.

Rosiepops said...

So what do people think of this taxi story false? Genuine? Or genuinely confused?

Anonymous said...

rosiepops

Not sure the first two would know if they came out their comas lol!
Maybe the offer of a scooby snack would cause detectable brain function - but im not sure on that.

As for the third, i thought she was running the Pj:p

Anonymous said...

I thought it was his 9 pm check, I may be incorrect, bt he DID SAY HE NOTICED DOOR OOPEN SLIGHTLY THINKING IT ODD. sAW TWINS, AND ASSUMED m HAD GONE TO THEIR ROOM OR HE LOO AND WENT BACK TO THE RESTAURANT. hE MAY HAVE CHANGED THIS STORY LATER, BUT i DEFINITELY DEFINITELY READ THAT BECAUSE i NOTED AT THE TIME i DID NOT LIKE THAT. ALSO, ANOTHER PERSON ONLY CHECKED AT THE DOOR AND DID NOT SEE THE CHILDREN. tHIS GIVES AT LEAST AN HOUR OF NO SIGHTIG O MADELEINE AT ALL.
rats caps lock again. sorry I am not shouting. just stupid. look in lower case. Just half shut your eyes. ;o)))))))))))))

Rosiepops said...

Assasin

A double agent! I am Gerry McCann you know. I am being tracked for my movements and my absences from the net are all noted and checked against Kate and Gerry's movements and clarence Mitchell's (Although how they know what these people are doing is beyond me

Anonymous said...

So the pj took absolutely no notice of the local taxi drivers sighting in May 07, even though he is an allegedly respectable member of the local community?

Anyone smell a rat?

Why are the Portuguese media leaking this story now?

What are they trying to hide?

Interesting.

Anonymous said...

I posted that article last night as well as the 2 from the times on line as i thought that they may have been of intrest to you all. I am apologetic if they were mere drivel.

Mum21 said...

China. My thoughts exactly. I think this story has been leaked for a reason. Another setup by the PJ.

Mum21 said...

Anonymous.The times article was well worth reading. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

They are just carried away in a world of their own altogether rosiepops. They did it to me too, first i was gerry, then laz, then working for clarence, then clarence himself.

They were private messaging everyone on that 3 dimwits and telling them i was clarence and to go into profiles on the dx and hit report button on everything i posted till i was banned.

Latest tactic was getting hopenot to try emailing me to see what id said im in my site cos i locked them out. i only locked them out to wind them up cos i could see they were in all the time lol. It worked, two mins flat and they send a dim gofer!

apprently docquack thinks ive spelt my name wrong in here to o - obviously he didnt realise its an anagram of nisa ass for benefit of some and assassin at other times;-)


I hope the world is ready to handle all their wanton unsatiated paranoia when Madeleine is found and this is solved.

Its a serious question - where do these people take out all these issues when they dont have an innocent vehicle to ride on...

don't you be up too late mind rosiepops - nobody wants a sleepy heart surgeon:-)

Rosiepops said...

With regard to GinaM's post about Supertroll's site being all about docmac and him getting more coverage than Madeleine, I think she needs to try and understand what Supertroll's site is meant to be about! It is not in existence to debate about Madeleine and ST makes it perfectly clear.

Mum21 said...

Rosie. I am afraid at the moment Gina M seems to be doing an Isis. If you know what I mean.

Rosiepops said...

DinaeH hoya, what is a Harpy?

Mum21 said...

Well Folks..I think I will call it a day.
Good Night and God Bless to you all

Anonymous said...

mum21 I agree, treble agents abund here

Also think the Taxi Story could be a frame up....doesn't add up.

Makes your head spin doesn't it?

Anonymous said...

Expect some news soon.

Sorry folks, this is just a hunch, but what was that claptrap all about?

Surely Clarence cannot possibly be blamed for it, so what was it all about?

How fortunate we are, to have an anon visit us late at night, just as we are about to retire and tell us all, even (possibly) before he announced it on his fellow posters anti McCann website (his masters website)

Thanks again anon - stay that way, because we would not want to see the real you - creep

........................................

Sassyp - I checked and creep is definetly in the dictionary.

I really did not want to say your creep, I mean to say you cr.p

Rosiepops said...

Mum I do loud and clear! I haven't called in to those two sites for a few days, find them too negative and draining.

I get the impression that the antis are now pinning all their hopes on these rogatory letters and Kate's diary!
Don't know why neither can prove anything one way or the other.

Anonymous said...

night mum

Rosiepops said...

No mum come back now do you hear? lol

Thought I would change my message a little.

Good night sleep well, take care xxx

Rosiepops said...

China, it is probably posted by someone that has an irrational fear of the number 1?

Anonymous said...

good night mum21 see you soon sleep well

Rosiepops said...

China,

Did the earth move for you last night? lol

Anonymous said...

i am off too now everyone, see you tomorrow. hope rest of night is quiet and peaceful....

JANE

Anonymous said...

Yes Rosiepops,

Same as everynight, what's new?

lol lol lol on the carpet.

Anonymous said...

Goodnight dear Jane.

SeaWitch said...

Hi Ladies,

Wassup Jane, out of ya comfort zone wivout abuse from me?

I see I've just missed you, so will leave some harassment in your e-mailbox;-)

WeeSnitch

Anonymous said...

Goodnight rosie, hope the 2 times articles were of intrest to you.

Anonymous said...

IMO for this story about the taxi driver and Madeleine to be considered plausible:

1. Madeleine would need to have been taken from PDL at 6.45p.m. at the latest in order to be at Vila Real Santo Antonio shortly after 8p.m.

2.They waited at a taxi rank!!!! for the taxi driver to take them a 2 and 1/2 mile journey to Hotel in Monte Gordo. Approx 5/7mins

3. They then transferred into a blue jeep(I'm sure that one of the tapas 7 had hired a jeep, so Alsabella reports, during their holiday, or indeed borrowed one from their friends. I cannot confirm any of this) BUT how convenient if true!!

4. It would take them 1 and 1/2 hours to get back to PDL, so really talking an approximate time of 9.45/10.p.m.

5. IF these timings are correct and we only have the taxi drivers timing to go on, then Kate Mccann could not possibly have been the woman in the taxi as she was seen by witnesses (surely her not being at the table until 9.45/10 would have been reported by the waiters at the time) at 8.25p.m.

6. If any of the men in the taxi were part of the tapas 7, they also would not be at the dinner table until that time.

7. I base these timings on them returning to PDL in the blue jeep. HOWEVER where was Madeleine taken, how much time did that take? These have not been taken into the equation.

It is my opinion that this story will turn out to be convenient for the PJ and their so called inconsistencies in witness statements.

On a less serious note 2345's rants on dna will have been proved to be so much 'HOT AIR'

Doppelganger said...

Nite, nite ladies

Sorry I have been neglecting you all recently but I have been really busy.

And I am really miffed that I am not in the list of annoying posters, obviously I was not as annoying as you all used to try and make me believe.

Perhaps see you all sometime

Nite, nite

Anonymous said...

Thanks Helenm,

So, in other words, a stitch up.

Makes sense.

Anonymous said...

Dope,

You were never a problem, you were always predictable.

Can I have the last word again?

Rosiepops said...

Well said Helen, bit you know how they love a good conspiracy theory.

Anonymous said...

I do not intend to do a Rotheymere, so will bow out now and say 'Goodnight' to you all

Anonymous said...

rosiepops, you really are going to have to do about that finger and hitting 'I' instead of u and o.

See everyone has retired, so will say goodnight all.

Doppelganger said...

Chinadoll

So you have missed me.

Well, well, well.

And as always - you may have the last word.

Nite, nite.

Anonymous said...

Goodnight Dad,

I was just hanging on here for that!

Rosiepops said...

Re Taxi story

here is odd, up until now every story that has come along as been rubbished by the PJ, now suddenly they have one they like and are giving it credence.

1) Why have we never heard about this jeep before?

2) Why hasn't it been DNA tested, after all the PJ must know who it belongs to.

3) If true, why on earth would they use a taxi, where all of them could be traced.

4) Why hasn't the taxi been forensically tested?

5) Alsabella tell the PJ a six year old could have come up with a better story than this.

6) By leaking this nonsense just demonstrates how desperate the Pj are.

Rosiepops said...

Helen,

ritflmai

bit os ot?

Anonymous said...

Yet another leak.

Leak after leak after leak - especially when there is no news.

How convenient.

Who is desperate now?

Be honest with yourself.

Goodnight all

Rosiepops said...

China, Jane, Helen,

good night sleep well, take care xxx

China watch out for moving earth.

God Bless Madeleine xxx God Bless Mari xxx God Bless Shannon xxx

dianeh said...

Rosie

I think you have probably gone to bed but here is a link to site that explains what a harpy is.

http://www.occultopedia.com/h/harpy.htm

Also, there were three of them.

They did vengeful errands for the gods. Sound a bit familiar.

dianeh said...

Rosie, I will post link about harpy again tomorrow, just to make sure everyone sees it.

Sleep well everyone.

Anonymous said...

There are no leaks coming from PJ.
so where the f*** has know it all got this leak.
PJ must earn a fortune selling leaks to cretins like this.


THEY HAVE ARRIVED - ROGATORY LETTERS CONFIRMED TO BE IN THE UK

According to today's Correio da Manhã, next week a British police inspector will arrive in the Algarve to meet with the PJ. The aim is to define all the procedures that should be carried out to comply with the rogatory letters. The meeting was scheduled after the UK authorities accepted the PJ's request to carry out enquiries on British soil.

After everything has been outlined, the PJ are to leave for the UK, where they will observe all enquiries.
Correio da Manha goes on to say that initially, PJ will want to interrogate Jane Tanner, Russel O’Brien, and David Payne, three of the friends that spent their holiday in Portugal with the McCanns. Only after these interviews will the police decide whether Kate and Gerry should or should not be questioned.


Posted by alsabella at 12:53:00 AM

dianeh said...

hi Anon

Not sure what you mean about the PJ not leaking. Seems to be very sieve like to me.

But one would think that for the paper to print this, it should need to be confirmed by the PJ. Unless it is just the way it is had been translated but this doesnt appear to be an official statement. So where did it come from?

But I dont really care, just so long as they get over here and get the questions over and done with.

Anonymous said...

This is a hoax blog site, a mental case that forgot her Prozac.

Wednesday, 27 February 2008
Cannot Wait
The Tests are now complete. There are no more tests to be done. All that is left is for us lot to back our bags and head off for colder climates, that being England.
Interviewees will be called in to discuss questions put to others before but not answered. Then the Arquidas will be asked to be interviewed.
we have 2 extra seats booked for the flight home hopefully we shall need them.

Good Luck to all.

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Anonymous said...

hope4truth said...
Afternoon All

I cant belive I am about to ask or type what I am going to but I have to ask...

The Taxi driver who says he picked them up on the 3rd did he say if the child was sleeping?

What better way than to dispose of a body by taking it out in plain sight as if she was asleep?

I may be barking for sugesting the above but it was just a thought if there was evidence of a death in the apartment then they could have moved her this way...

Not likely but had to say it..

Just on for a few minutes mainly to check to see if any new information about Shannon was on line...

See you all later x

Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:51:00 AM PST

How thick can they get this has to be the thickest post to date.
Did he say the child was sleeping
Yeh course he did thats how he saw the childs eye defect, duh !
Me think you need a rest Hopeless ah ha ha ha ha

Anonymous said...

So, soon the interview process will begin (maybe) - can the three people being interviewed David, Jane, - can't remember the 3rd person will they be allowed legal representation during their interviews?

I remember someone else questioning whether or not Madeleine had ever gone to Portugal. Don't see how anybody can question it as she was at the creche, some waiters/waitresses remember her, etc.

I think Dr. David Payne did a check on the children too the night Madeleine went missing but never opened the bedroom door - he just listened at the door.

calcite51 said...

Finally - got on - every night I have to go and reregister myself.

dianeh said...

Hi Calcite

I think that Gerry checked on/saw Madeleine after that at 9pm. Which as Payne didnt see her when he checked,then there is no verified sighting of her for four hours before the alarm was raised. For some, this seems to be important.

It is good if the interviews will finally happen. I dont know about you but I am sick of the posters complaining that the British Govt is holding things up. No, there is a due process to be followed and if not properly, then questioning will not be allowed. Simple as that. you would think that extra care would have been taken to get the letters to Britain in a timely manner and done correctly wouldnt you. This is so high profile.

dianeh said...

Calcite

Not wanting to criticise men but isnt it just like a man to just listen at the door. I had to train mine to go into the room and make sure the kids are covered up and havent got a leg stuck in the side of the cot, or have fallen out of bed.
At the moment, it is still fairly warm here but sometimes at night it cools down. So they go to bed with their ceiling fans on, in shortie pj's without any covers and by 5 in the morning they are freezing and wide awake. I have had to train him to go and cover them up and turn off the fans, if he wakes in the night.
If I thought that mine had just listened at the door, well?????

dianeh said...

Incidentally, the latest rumour about Madeleine not even being in Purtugal at all did the rounds months ago.

Seems that certain rumours need to get recycled every now and again.

Anonymous said...

Well I am at my computer now and still find it difficult to post. I suppose the post I am Posting now is for 12 48\ 28 February 2008.I will now try to choose an identity. Whizzg

Anonymous said...

Well I am at my computer now and still find it difficult to post. I suppose the post I am Posting now is for 12 48\ 28 February 2008.I will now try to choose an identity. Whizzg

Anonymous said...

well as you can see I Whizzg of sound mind and body =[me thinks]am coming up as Sarah but not to worry Google say it is alright.At least I have got an id now. I have often wondered if Madeline ever did leave these shores of England. It is alright to support Mccanns and you don't really want posters {the antis}posting here.But I would get every person who was round that table that night Maddie went missing and ask them to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.The odd thing is Gerrys 'bumping' into Jes. It all seems so contrived to say the least. I still think as Stalker said all that time ago that this group of people hold a secret that they won't or cannot tell

Anonymous said...

JanetGT will this do for now, looks to me like someone wanting a fight. By the way I am Gina's friend Bee, she is out and I have been looking in on here to see what else she was going have said about her. I saw someone was pasting her comments from Alsabella's site and did not put their name on it, wonder who that could be?? I also see that they have been removed. I would not hold your breath waiting for Gina to reply when she gets back because she really has lost interest in debating with anybody, but one thing I can assure you is that she is no coward and is not at all two faced. BEE

JANEGT said...
where's seawitch I mean weesnitch tonight?
I need abuse....only had one today being called jane tanner and someone knows where I live. Oh no they don't. I moved last month.

27 February 2008 22:45

Unknown said...

Help

Unknown said...

Folks I've now got my right sex back as John from Sarah. I don't know how I did it but it's all down to Google. They can achieve anything!

Unknown said...

A

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Unknown said...

John said if only I could find the correct page I'd be a happy man/woman/spaceman as Whizzg/whizzg2/Sarah/John/Marsman/Gee37 God bless America/Rule Brittania/And anyone 4 tennis John of no fixed email address

Rosiepops said...

Hi whizz how are you?


try this

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3533557196802846991&postID=8003299758289020717&page=1

If you don't get on post again here and I'll come and find you, dont worry we will get you on, it gets easier buy the way

Rosie xxx

Anonymous said...

Hello again

Rosiepops said...

Whizz look above you there is a link for you try this.

Unknown said...

Hello Darling Rosie, I cannot believe I have made contact.:-)

Rosiepops said...

the space ship has landed x

have you tried the above link which should get you into todays blog

Unknown said...

Just stay where u are for a minute Rosie. I fear I will shortly be losing you again in Cyber watnot. Sorry I'm not bright with all this tech. So I may have to give it a rest for a few weeks. Lovely though to get that reply. I went to Eltham Library this morning but still found it difficult to post John Dedman xx

Unknown said...

Just stay where u are for a minute Rosie. I fear I will shortly be losing you again in Cyber watnot. Sorry I'm not bright with all this tech. So I may have to give it a rest for a few weeks. Lovely though to get that reply. I went to Eltham Library this morning but still found it difficult to post John Dedman xx

Rosiepops said...

Whizz

go to the front page and look for this story

My Months With Madeleine

Then go to the bottom of this story (Its long) and then press on post comments and you should get into where everyone is.

Please try whizz

Rosiepops said...

Where you click to get in it will say

128 comments

Around that number it may have changed by the time you get there.

Anonymous said...

Rosie Thankyou for info I will try again. You will have to come to my house one day for a cup of tea/ovaltine and a iffy Lemon Slice: address:www.Whizzg2.blogspot.com I may not be at home cos I cannot get back home myself sometimes:-)

Anonymous said...

Rosie Thankyou for info I will try again. You will have to come to my house one day for a cup of tea/ovaltine and a iffy Lemon Slice: address:www.Whizzg2.blogspot.com I may not be at home cos I cannot get back home myself sometimes:-)

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