Monday, 5 May 2008

McCanns In Legal Boost

MADDIE McCann’s parents were boosted last night by a law chief’s hints they may soon be cleared of involvement in her disappearance.
Portugal’s attorney-general appeared to pave the way for the search to be shelved by saying cops should feel “no shame” if they fail to find Maddie.

Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro said: “These kinds of crimes are extremely difficult to investigate. There are one million missing children per year throughout the world, and not even 20 per cent are found.”

But Portugal’s top cop Alipio Ribeiro said yesterday it remained “very important” for Kate, 40, and Gerry, 39, to return to The Algarve to help the investigation if asked.
The comments follow claims the McCanns’ arguido – official suspect – status may soon be lifted.
Cops have also started quizzing a list of 60 “witnesses” the McCanns provided recently.
They include friends, tourists and staff at the Mark Warner holiday village in Praia da Luz from where Maddie disappeared on May 3 last year.

The couple feel some may hold clues to the disappearance, while others will counteract claims in Portugal Kate had trouble dealing with her kids.

Their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said last night: “Kate and Gerry are very heartened by the attorney-general’s comments. If they are a precursor to them being eliminated from the inquiry then we welcome them.
“If, however, the police are close to closing the case we still want them to keep searching for Madeleine, as our investigators are continuing to do.”


Of the decision to quiz their witnesses, he said: “Kate and Gerry see it as very positive.”
Meanwhile, Mr Ribeiro, head of the Policia Judiciaria – Portugal’s CID – said it was vital for the couple to return if requested.


It is believed he was referring to a reconstruction of the night the four-year-old went missing. Mr Mitchell said Kate and Gerry had “not ruled out returning”.

On Saturday, the first anniversary of Maddie’s disappearance, Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, went with twins Sean and Amelie, three, to the church where Maddie was baptised – Bishop Eton RC in Liverpool.

MY TAKE:

  • No one Blames the Portuguese Police for failing to Find Madeleine, but they do blame them for *FAILING* to even look for her properly and for *FAILING* to follow up leads.
  • If the Portuguese Police want Kate and Gerry McCann to return to Portugal, then they should lift this ridiculous arguido status .
  • The PJ should also stop hiding behind these archaic secrecy laws coming out only to fire at the McCann's at well timed moments!
  • The Portuguese judge should now also allow Kate and Gerry to see their file and hand over every scrap of information they have on the case, so they can actually return to Portugal, with their investigators, so they will be able to investigate properly the disappearance of their beloved daughter and the PJ should give them every help and assistance they possibly can. It is a bit late in the day, but it is the very least the PJ can do after their monumental cock-ups and blunders in this case!
  • If the PJ want the McCann's to return for a reconstruction, it should only be in an advisory capacity, it is callous beyond belief to expect them to physically relive that night with another little girl playing Madeleine.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/maddie/article1124099.ece

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Sass said...

Yay! Top of the page! My day of fame!

I agree that if the PJ was shown to have carried out the investigation professionally - ie no leaks, securing the scene, looking for forensic evidence properly (I remember one policeman cringing when he saw the person dusting the shutters for evidence, plonking their briefcase down on the wall. He said they may have got rid of vital evidence by doing that) - then even if they hadn't found Madeleine, they would have had more support as they were doing a professional job.

Asking the McCanns to go over and reenact that last night with a "pretend" Madeleine is just ridiculous. It would be traumatic beyond belief. Do they expect the twins to take part in this too?

I don't know the legal situation, but I am assuming that they could make the McCanns arguidos again if they found any evidence to suggest that may be the right thing to do. I also assume that the PJ suspect that if they do remove the arguidos status, they will not be able to make the McCanns arguidos again, because of the new laws that actually insist on evidence.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Morning Sass,

I agree with you. They lost ALL credibility with me when they orchestrated the smear campaign against Gerry & Kate.

You have to ask WHY didnt they wait another week before they made them Arguidos, they would have had to show they had evidence and then there would have been no need for all the leaks and counterclaims.

The breakdown in trust imo, is the result of a badly lead, fatally flawed investigation.

calcite51 said...
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calcite51 said...

Sass and Tinkerbell - I agree with both of you. It would be traumatic for the McCanns to go back to Portugal and re-enact that nite.

I wonder if the re-enactment would also show the many mistakes made by the PJ's.

It sounds like the re-enactment has not yet been decided upon. In any case, I'm sure the McCanns will follow their lawyers recommendations and act acordingly.

Rosiepops said...

I have never blamed the PJ for not actually finding Madeleine, but I do blame them for not trying hard enough to find her!

In my opinion

The PJ made blunder after blunder and on discovering they made blunders, instead of trying to correct them and put the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance back on track, they denied they had made these glaringly obvious errors and then went on the offensive blaming the McCann's for everything, using smear tactics, bizarre leaks and insane killing theories, to take attention away from the *fact* that they had messed up big time.

This investigation was always way about the PJ's capabilities and i would have had a mountain of respect for them had they admitted this immediately and asked for urgent help from the British and the Americans and then worked with them to try and find Madeleine.
If the PJ had done this then they would have learned invaluable experience and investigative techniques that could only enhance their abilities as detectives and of a police force willing to listen and learn.

The utmost respect would then have been paid to the PJ, even if Madeleine had not been found, this would have been the case.

I am not saying that the PJ had to bow and scrape to us or the FBI etc.
I am not saying that Portugal should change her laws to suit us.

I am just saying that they should have been as detectives, ready and prepared to learn from people that have far more experience in this field than they have actually admitted as having!

Instead what have we got?

A police force who refused to listen.

Detectives who refused to learn.
PJ members who appeared arrogant and ignorant.

Result of this is a farce of an investigation.

A catalogue of errors that could have cost a child her life!

A police force playing the blame game.

Smears; Leaks; Accusations; Lies; Innuendos;

A police force content to use and abuse their own archaic secrecy laws.

The leaking by infamous "police sources" of bizarre killing theories.

The bullying and intimidation of two parents deep in grief.

Detectives kicked off the case fro briefing in the gutter press against their counterparts in Britain.

Detectives who are arguidos (suspects) themselves in another similar case of a missing child.

Same detective/s facing a serious court trials for torturing and intimidating a witness and perverting the course of justice.

The most famous case in Portuguese history is headed by a "fall guy".

The investigation laying in tatters.

No real suspects.

Real people's lives being turned upside down.

One year on the Portuguese police are absolutely no further on than the night that Madeleine was abducted from her bed in Praia da Luz.

To me Madeleine McCann seems to have come a very poor second to the arrogance, ignorance and ego of one particular detective and that is unforgivable.

There is a very nasty whiff hovering around PDL and it will always hover, until this investigation is investigated properly and in accordance with the law and not hidden behind a set of archaic secrecy laws.

I believe that somewhere in all this is the heavy and rank odour of corruption, permeating deep into the ranks of the PJ and Portugal's judiciary and political authorities.

There needs to be a full open and independent inquiry, carried out by people outside Portugal.

This will never go away until this done.

Question is, is Portugal afraid of such an inquiry?

As the PJ and Portuguese 'others' keep telling the McCann's, "If they are innocent, then they have nothing to fear!"

Christabel said...

Hi Rosie,
Don't you answer your emails LOL!

Murat said "he will be pleased to do the reconstruction".
Yeah course he would, hope he does the translating too(word for word).

Would be interesting to see if Jenny sets a stall up too, if they let her?.Just in case anybody remembers anything and are scared to go to the PJ.

calcite51 said...

I personally think the PJ's just have to ask Vile and her groupies for their theories, outlandish accusations, etc.

I see Nancy is back on the abuse of Madeleine and Kate track again. I thought this item had been discussed and it had been proven that there was no marks on either Kate or Madeleine. Nancy next time change your brain not your name.

Oh, wait, maybe THAT'S WHY, this investigation has been poorly done. Claws was giving her take on all of this and brown nosing to Aramal.

Christabel said...

Calcite,
I don't know why you bother looking on that site lol!
You can guess what they post, its like watching "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest"!

calcite51 said...

Christabel - it is much worse than "ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO's NEST".

Hey wait, that probably explains the parrot at one point. Has anyone seen the parrot? It's ok, Viv - don't need a picture of your parrot or your kiddies.

In any case, I have to say, they give me so MUCH to comment on.

;o)

Tinkerbell43 said...

Mr. Ribeiro said it would be very important for Gerry & Kate to return to the Algarve to help the investigation if asked.

I'm sure it would be Mr. Ribeiro, just like it would have been important to the investigation if you had spent time looking for their daughter instead of trying to pin the blame on the parents.

Also, if there is a request for a reconstruction why has it been publicised. I take it you want it turned into a media circus do you. Jeez, you couldn't run a p... up in a brewery!.

Stop dragging it out, you have no evidence. Lift their status and let them do what you have failed to do, focus on looking for Madeleine.

Sass said...

Calcite and Christabel

It's more like "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" on LSD!

Christabel said...

Tinks and Sass,

Course it would Tinks.
He's no better than the twonk he took over from!

Sass,
never thought of that, very fitting though, goes well with the coffee granny makes.

Mandz said...

I would have more respect for them if they did what they get paid to do and were professional at all times however they appeared to be acting like a bit of a smart ass in my opinion.

In my opinion: If only they had accepted help from experts.. if only they took the family seriously.. if only they informed borders on time.. if only they set up road blocks.. if only they did a proper ring search and stayed out all night instead of going home in the early hours.. if only they sealed off the apartment and gathered forensic evidence the way it should have been handled.. if only they did not give the go ahead to clean the flat next day or day after.. if only they kept their mouths shut.. if only they went public with a description of the suspect.. if only they interviewed everyone staying at the complex and not allowed them to fly home eliminating them from enquiry..if only they stopped the flat from being rented out..if only they put their cigarette out whilst on the job contaminating evidence..if only they had not just followed one line of enquiry...........IF ONLY?

Unforgivable, unbelievable and truly a disgrace in my opinion.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Mandz

great to see you. Just reading your post x

Rosiepops said...

Christabel

We crossed emails! lol

Imagine you are a suspect in a crime and the police come along and ask you to sit in and translate on witness statements?

Why didn't the PJ have all the witness statements typed up, then wrapped in pretty paper and tied with a gift bow and presented to Robert Murat?

May just as well have!

And what about all these look alikes? Don't you find that the teeniest bit odd that so many people looked startlingly like RM and they were all in a tiny village at the same time?

I mean with odds like that perhaps Murat should do the lottery!

Rosiepops said...

Mandz

great post!

If Only the PJ had brain between them, then perhaps this would be a different story now?

it makes me so mad when I read it all put together like that, because until you do, you do not realise quite how bad the PJ have actually been as detectives.

It makes me sick with anger when I read it all and I am sick to the back teeth of this PJ arrogance and ignorance and their damned egos, because of that Madeleine is till missing.

Rosiepops said...

Oh and Mandz

Could you imagine the Portuguese furore if it was a Portuguese child abducted from her bed in Britain and our police had behaved like corrupt ignorant, arrogant egotistical a***holes and then turned around and tried to pin the blame on the parents when there was not a shred of evidence to do so?

I wonder if they would have been so reserved in their criticisms of our police?

Mandz said...

Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro said: “These kinds of crimes are extremely difficult to investigate. There are one million missing children per year throughout the world, and not even 20 per cent are found.”

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Wait a minute Jo so what you are saying is that well no big deal don’t be to hard on yourselves police? Are you having a laugh? If only they did their bloody jobs properly then she may have been found – did that EVER cross your mind???? This was a little girl aged 3 years old.
When will there be an enquiry into the way they handled this case??? When will they be pulled up and made accountable and take responsibility for their failings in this – when??? Bloody pathetic.

Mandz said...

Hi Rosie & thank you!

The whole case makes me so angry with their errors and leaks and the way they have behaved with this couple whom they have 0 evidence against. It truly is unbelievable watching this unfold and sickening. I find this difficult to put into words..

Off for tea bye…!

Rosiepops said...

Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro said: “These kinds of crimes are extremely difficult to investigate. There are one million missing children per year throughout the world, and not even 20 per cent are found.”

Just a minute, according to the Portuguese you have very few children go missing in Portugal, so what you are in fact saying is that you do not find any of them?

Well that is the first true thing I have seen acreditted to a portuguese voice in authority! the rest has been a damned pack of corrupt lies!

Rui Pedro.....Unfound
Joana Cipriano........Unfound
Madeleine McCann.....Unfound

Anyone brave enough in taking their children to Portugal, for Gods sake do not take your eyes off of them fpor a second and please DO NOT have them sleep in a different room to you, sleep in the same room as them and lock the doors, shut and lock the shutters and windows.

Yeah and for the prats that think it is OK to get blind drunk, forget that too!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Mandz,

These type of crimes are difficult to investigate. I wonder what type of crimes he is categorising!

Would it be the one where they believe the parents killed their child and disposed of her in front of the worlds media, and then got everyone and sundry involved including the pope to cover for them. I wouldnt have thought this type of crime was that common, so I wonder what he means by THESE type of crimes are difficult.

I could understand his statement if he was referring to an abduction!

Sorry its a bit garbled, hope you get my drift!

Rosiepops said...

Mandz,

I don't find it difficult to put into words, trouble is the words I use, the Portuguese police do not like!


Incompetent; Inept; Complacent; Duplicitous; Leaks; Useless; Lazy; Liars; Corrupt; Arrogant; Ignorant; Egotistical;

Rosiepops said...

Hi Tinks

That is an extremely good point, what kind of crime is he referring to? Freudian slip!

Seems to me they do not actually solve any crimes in Portugal, these "elite police" third in the world.

helenm said...

Sass,

Your day of fame! Make the most of it then, as tomorrow I'll be back!

I really cannot understand why the PJ would think it necessary for the Mccann's to return to Portugal for a 're-enactment'. How could they possibly cover all the variables in the case? Never mind that the 'r-enactment' comes nearly 12 months too late. All hot air IMO, too little much too late and as a result Madeleine is no nearer being found. Disgraceful.

Rosiepops said...

Helen

Would you mind not making Sass's head any larger? She may just take it upon herself to go and open another tub of Pilsner Chelsea buns!

helenm said...

Rosie, Sass, Tinks and Maureen,

I think it is appropriate to congratulate you all, for instigating and developing the new forum. Well done, a truly professional job.

Rosie, can just see Sass with the pilsner dough!! brings images of the marshmallow man in Ghostbusters!!!lol

Rosiepops said...

Helen,

I can just about understand why the PJ want to do a reconstruction, even if it comes 12 months too late, but why in the name of God, kindness and humanity would they want to put these parents through this agony again by making them act this out? It is almost barbaric and just too incredible for words.
As someone has already said, would they want the twins in their cots too?
And where would Robert Murat be? oh well there are so many lookalikes for him he could stand in each of the places he has been sen in AND stay at home with his mum in the kitchen!

Just had a thought, perhaps his mum had a lookalike in her kitchen?

Rosiepops said...

Helen

Glad you like the forum, Sass has worked her little butt off and I have been driving her up the wall wanting to change stuff.

Do you like the private room we have on there?

It is in Google too!

Mandz said...

Fernando Jose Pinto Monteiro said: “These kinds of crimes are extremely difficult to investigate.
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How would he know these types of crimes are difficult to investigate? How many cases has he been on of the same nature …? How many jo..??

Mandz said...

Lookalikes, car explosions, PJ guy in a photo of McCann’s, Murat mum setting up a stall, Murat being the translator for the tapes group, “someone” thinks they saw Murat girlfriend with Maddie, the head of McCann case.. a suspect himself in another missing child case, leak on the day the McCann’s go to Brussels …

Sass said...

Rosie, Tinks, Our 'Ell and Mandz

Hiya

Our Ell - I'm glad you like the forum (did PM you back - thanks for that). Rosie is a right slavedriver!!!!
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And where would Robert Murat be? oh well there are so many lookalikes for him he could stand in each of the places he has been sen in AND stay at home with his mum in the kitchen!
___________________________________

You plonker!

Rosie - Are you mocking my baking skills! I'll have you know I made a car cake last week! It was smurf blue (no, not because it was mouldy!). Just reread what you said - TUB???!!! It was all made with my fair hands - and then burnt - but it all started off well and homemade!

Tinks - you have to admit, that's quite a crime and seeing as some people believe in the supernatural powers of the McCanns, I'm sure they bewitched the Pope into covering for them no sweat!

Sass said...

Mandz

If that was all in a Hollywood film, it would get bad write-ups for being too over the top to be believable!

Rosiepops said...

Read something really funny by Bianca under her strange new ID CDP (Crash Dummy Plonker)

I am beginning to think that ST is correct this woman does seem to have had a mental breakdown.

Bianca dear I have not said many times that Madeleine was taken by sea, in fact quite the opposite, I think Madeleine is still in or around PDL.

I have NEVER said I sense that someone came in and took Madeleine, I KNOW someone went in and took her.

What the hell is she on about? Who said the McCann's absconded with Madeleine on a boat? Not me!

Bianca, I hate to break this to you, a hunch does not sound scientific simply because it is NOT scientific, this is why it is called a hunch! PMSL

Living in Britain, I can assure you that I am clever enough not to have taken up the occupation of "Rain Dancer" I would be out of work inside an hour!

As for consulting a witch doctor, no sorry, I have never met notdoc, not once.



"children_deserve_protection disse...
"Bianca, that is just a small example of something which was twisted to suit someone's agenda. Only the brainless pros could believe that. But it doesn't surprise me. Many of them have also had 'dreams and visions'. I'm surprised they haven't located Madeleine yet." -[Quoting Claudia]

Yes. I know that many times Rosiepops has said she "just feels Madeleine was abducted via the sea". She "senses" that someone came in and took her (of course, they "took" her .. it's not that her parents "left" her or anything!) and that they absconded with her on a boat.

None of these "hunches" sound very scientific do they? I wonder if Rosiepops also does "rain dances" or consults "witch-doctors"?

5 de Maio de 2008 0:20

Tinkerbell43 said...

Lol, Rosie, shes obviously spent too much time in Viles company, they dont get anything right either, lol.

Rosiepops said...

Tinks

You have to wonder about these people, wasn't it Bianca that used to keep informing us about her university education?

I wonder if she has a degree in 'Hunches?'

Rosiepops said...


"children_deserve_protection disse...
LOL, just took my kids to school but I am not tired. I got up about 2 this morning and will probably go to sleep around 6 tonight (do you get the impression I keep odd hours? ;-) )

P.S. Before the "Pro's" tell me I am "unemployed", nothing could be further from the truth!

Ciao Claudia, and thanks for letting me contribute :-)

5 de Maio de 2008 0:40


Don't thank her Bianca, it is the evil one that should be thanking you, without you, the only contributor to this blog to be thanking the PJ, would be Clawd herself.
Although I did see Arsabliar make an appearance as Ana, perhaps if you got her to sign under her other ID of Marla and the 12 other IDs she uses, it may bump your blog up a little?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Aw Rosie, dont Gonc post there ?
I thought that was the level he had sunk to now, subscribing on hate blogs. Not very professional but hey why change his habits of a lifetime now, lol.

Rosiepops said...

Tinks

I heard that Gonc tried to post on Viles but she wouldn't let him in!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Bloody hell Rosie, I knew he was desperate but I didnt realise he was that desperate!

Rosiepops said...

Tinks

seriously, I think a lot of them are losing the plot completely.

Did you know that Bianca thinks she is Shirley Temple?
She now spends ages on Clawds Police brutality blog talking to herself and Clawd and Clawd answers mostly like this lololol, even first thing in the morning.

Honestly they are a pair of loons!

have you been on our forum tonight? Just going to go into the private room and see who is there!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Rosie,

Yes I have been on the forum, there is a very interesting link on there from Christabel. If you haven't seen it take a look!

I havent been to the police brutality bog, cant be bothered to waste my time with has-beens.

Rosiepops said...

Tinks,

Was just reading that link from Christabel.

If you ever fancy a laugh go on the Clawds Police brutality blog, in fact I think I will post what I was just reading to her, it is very apt for her blog, what do you think?

Rosiepops said...

Tinks,

Not that part of the forum, I mean the other part for members only.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Rosie,

If shes interested in Justice, I mean REALLY INTERESTED, then its very apt!

Off now, see you tomorrow.

Nite x

Rosiepops said...

Night Tinks take care, sleep well xxx

Forunm is going great guns isn't it, really pleased.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Yes Rosie, I have been in the VIP lounge :0)

The facilities are fantastic!

See you tomorrow x

Rosiepops said...

night Tonks xxx

dianeh said...

Hi

Just catching up, been busy

Hope you are all well.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Diane

Just reading our forum.

had to pop over here because someone keeps posting extra long posts posts about the couple that decided to drink themselves incapable while on holiday in Portugal on here.
In some warped way they think this belongs on a blog about Madeleine McCann!

Rosiepops said...

Please Do NOT post irrelevant articles on this blog, they will be deleted. Please find another platform for your views thank you.

dianeh said...

Rosie

The irish couple need a good jolt to wake themselves up. It is lucky for the children that they were looked after by well meaning, caring people.

BUT, I agree, it is nothing to do with Madeleine, or this blog. And doesnt belong here. If someone is so concerned, they can start their own blog.

Sass said...

Dianeh

Or they can post it on the forum under "other news"! (Although if someone is being annoying, we won't want them there either!)

SwedishMum said...

Rosiepops,

Since I haven’t written anything anywhere for about a week now and haven’t written anything about the McCanns for more than that I would appreciate if you could leave me out of this whole discussion until I do come back (if ever) and express my views on this sorry affair. Since you seem to pride yourself with being a good, decent and fair human being I’m sure you must see the fairness in what I’ve (in all humility) asked of you.

Rosiepops said...

Swedishmum

Oh stop whingeing. I mentioned your name, so what, call it payback for that post you made to me and about me on the DX that time, you may have forgotten your totally uncalled for spite, jealousy and venom, but I haven't and now here you are crying because I mentioned your name in a post, oh grow up you silly old bat and get a life.

If you are annoyed because I mentioned your name which no one, save on this mad internet world knows you by, can you imagine what you and your insane chums over on Vile Viv/Felicity's do to the McCann's each and every day of your miserable depraved internet existence?

How would you like to be called murdering scum and accused of murdering your daughter? Or accused of defrauding thousands of people out of money? Not forgetting all the rest of it?

These are the people you associate yourself with, so please spare us all your bleeding heart and public hand ringing angst over me saying, err what was it I said? Oh here it is:

"When these people lose interest in flogging Kate and Gerry McCann, they will simply find others to flog and to denigrate, it is what makes these vile people tick, whether the likes of Hope, Swedishmum and the whingeing Gina etc go along with them will be for them to decide, personally they all look too far gone to me."

And you get upset over this?

You are having a laugh aren't you Swedish? Wind your neck in why don't you?

Boo hoo Diddums.

Rosiepops said...

Not to mention all the crap I have taken off of your mad mates and you, on the blog of hate , you 'choose' to post on!

psychopath, pet killer, child neglecter, paedophile, terrorist and I bully and intimidate my family apparently.

Yet you are content to sit back and watch this said of me (and others) too scared to say anything in case you get treated to the same.

There is only one thing worse than a whinger and that is a cowardly whinger.

And all of this because I believe two unfortunate people are innocent.

Mandz said...
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Christabel said...

AW Bless,

The still-national director of PJ resigned from the office and the request for resignation was accepted by the Minister of Justice, Alberto Costa. It is expected at any time a statement from the Government about its removal.
Citing unidentified government source, the Daily News of progress today: "Director national vai leave the Judicial Police." Also, Economic Daily, which published a Monday interview with Alípio Ribeiro, stated today that the output of the Director of PJ 'is on the table ".

The DN writes that the departure was agreed between Alípio Ribeiro and the Government and occurs a year before the end of the mandate (April 2009), is just waiting for the approval of the new legislative framework of the criminal investigation.

"Tiredness and excessive politicization, inside and outside the Judiciary" are some of the reasons given by the Economic Daily to justify the removal of Alípio Ribeiro, now confirmed.

In the interview on Monday the Economic Daily, Alípio Ribeiro defended the withdrawal of PJ's tutelage Justice and their transfer to that of the Interior or, alternatively, to a new Ministry of Interior, to create.

Christabel said...

No problems,

Funchal, 06 May (Lusa) - The Judiciary Police Madeira announced today the arrest of a man of 38 years, the practice of suspected sexual abuse of children in Funchal.

As reported, the PJ that the advance was held in temporary custody after being heard by judicial authorities.

It adds that the man aliciava children between nine and thirteen years with the offering of gifts and small monetary amounts, leading victims to an abandoned house in the county of Funchal "where they were charged acts of sexual relief."

The same document mentions that the PJ were identified six children, all boys, "assuming the existence of other cases."

AMB

SwedishMum said...

Excellent posts Rosiepops,

But then, that always was your forte wasn’t it – writing excellent posts, I mean. Just one problem (where I’m concerned, probably not for you though): I wasn’t whingeing and I’m not upset either, not even now, after your posts. I was just stating that I’m out of this and also asked you not to include me in your posts any more – but if you don’t feel that you can accommodate my wishes, by all means feel free to go ahead and use me in your future debating. I really don’t care.

Just a few things before I leave:
- First of all, I have defended you, even if you choose not to remember it.
- Secondly, I had no idea that you are one who remembers of things long past, but since you apparently are, I did apologise for that post that very same day (and it was neither full of jealousy nor of venom, spiteful it may have been though), and if it makes you feel better I don’t hesitate to do it again.
- Thirdly, I honestly don’t know why I got involved in this and therefore I’m leaving it all behind me now. My being here or there or “anotherwhere” hasn’t helped Madeleine or anyone else one bit. I may think it’s sad that some parents (and I’m not talking specifically about the McCanns, but more in general terms) don’t seem to value their children more but their attitude won’t change at all just because I write on these blogs.
- And finally, sometimes we who aren’t “blessed” with English as first language misunderstand and read “wrong” things into what you English men/women have written and sometimes we write the “wrong” things. I think these discussions would benefit if people weren’t always thinking the worst of their fellow contributors.

Well, that’s all folks,
Bye from Swedish Mum

Rosiepops said...

Hi Christabel,

Was that a translation? Tinks heard this, this morning and we have been looking for it, trust you to find it!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Gawd, they're dropping like flies! Now poor old Ribeiro, I have a feeling he was a bit like De Sousa knew what was going on and couldnt stomach it!

I hope it doesn't mean another book!

Rosiepops said...

Hi Mandz

That was a great post but where did it go?

You are so right, Sydney has huge problems like virtually every other big city in the world!

However, Bianca has tunnel vision.

I haven't a clue where she got me saying Madeleine was moved by sea from, it was Alroy and he could be right.

I just have one of my "NOT VERY SCIENTIFIC HUNCHES" that Madeleine is still in Portugal!

Seems poor Bianca with her university education that she likes to keep telling us about, just does not understand that "Hunches" are generally NOT scientific!

Rosiepops said...

Hi Tinks

you were right then, Alipio gone? Poor, poor Alipio!

I just wish I could understand why he has gone!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Rosie,

Perhaps he needs to regain his freedom of speech, lol.

I dont care how anyone tries to twist it or whatever spin the PJ put on it, Ribeiro knew the PJ had been too hasty, he was trying to distance himself then and he is doing the same now. He knows there will be no charges because there is no evidence and I think somewhere deep inside this man has a conscience.

Christabel said...

Rosie and Tinks,

Yes Rosie it was, 3 seconds to find it easy peasy lol.

Tinks,
did he fall or was he pushed?

Rosie's stairs look welcoming don't they?

Rosiepops said...

Tinks,

I agree! he has gone because he is probably distancing himself from the fall out of what is about to happen. Apparently he was a magistrate, he probably knows more than most how badly the McCann's have been treated at the hands of Goncalo Amaral and his *indecent" haste in making them arguidos BEFORE Portuguese law changed, if he had waited 8 days he would have had to have some evidence to make them suspects, however as Amaral did not, this was the reason for his haste, the evil pig!

Rosiepops said...

Christabel

Anymore cracks like that and I will show you to my stairs!

Rosiepops said...

Christabel

I bet he avoids the stairs when he is talking to the PJ!

Rosiepops said...

Who does this remind you of?

The other day, upon a stair,
I met a man who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today;
To his Glory let us pray.

Yesterday, upon the stair,
I met a man who wasn't there.
He's not been there a day or three,
I think he's from the EAC!

I asked another if he saw
the little man, he answered "Naw."
I've proved it true, I'm satisfied --
he can't be seen! I haven't lied!

Tulip said...

Sky breaking news! Portugal's top police chief has resigned amidst reports of a total mess in the force.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Thanks Tulip, switching over now!

We were starting to discuss this and I had to log off. I'm really not surprised to hear this, we've always known it was a shambles and maybe tensions are rising because someone soon has got to admit there is NO evidence.

Sass said...

Hiya

How you all doing?

Guess who is the star of Vile's blog tonight? ROSIE!!! Leigh is being a moron - big "surprise" there. Will write more on the forum.

Rosiepops said...

Hiya Tulip

Taken a night off from tormenting Dope? PMSL

Thanks for that, will have a look, Tinks mentioned this, this morning.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Sass,

You don't say, Have I got star billing again today?

Poor Leigh, is she all annoyed because I have upstaged her?

What is the matter with the *Dewsburies* now?

What have I done to them now?

Sass said...

Hiya

Just found out that the poster who called him or herself "Bored With Rosiepops" is the idiot bombarding us with fake religious stuff and long irrelevant posts about drunk Irish people under the name "What I Believe".

Mandz said...

Hi All,
Oh please don’t tell me Bianca is banging on about “you know what”? I can’t be bothered to mention the word. She is unable to move on she is stuck in the past unable to move forward. Perhaps she is Viv’s parrot?

Bianca just to let you know we do not need you to keep harping on about our children in Britain and the problems we have because we are aware of them. You should concentrate on your own Country’s problems such as binge drinking (like ours). This problem was recorded as far back as 1830 in Australia and it appears to be getting worse with your younger generation hence your tax increase on a certain alcoholic drink Alcopops. You should worry about your children’s future and not ours and look closer to home particularly in Sydney.

As for taken by sea it was Alroy who said abducted and taken by sea.

Rosiepops said...

Sass,

You do know this is Dope don't you?

If he cannot get to me under one ID he changes it and has another go, using different prose, but I can spot him a mile off, he is so predictable!

Rosiepops said...

Oh and if they are so bored with me, why do they keep talking about me? All day every day, week in week out?
ROTFLMAO

Sass said...

Rosie

Yup! I reckon Leigh is going the same way as 2345. Apparently they are "genuine and heartfelt" and we are all "thugs". Naturally we are still whores too and you are our whore leader! Don't know why they are so obsessed with it on there - perhaps they are worried we will nick their customers! Nancy was also trying to score brownie points with Notdoc, Vile and Leigh. She told them they were too intelligent to come here. How would she know? I reckon they spend more time on our blog than we do. What a bunch of sad, aggressive losers they really are. If I ever got like that bunch, I'd get help.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Manz

Great post, poor poor Bianca, did you know she went to university and got a degree?

Impostordoc has a degree in toilet cleaning and handing out bedpans and Bianca has a degree in weigh the **** that Impostor talks and collects!

Sass said...

Rosie

Nearly forgot. Leigh the "Delightful" also said she has no time for chitchat. No wonder when she seems to spend all day delighting in making up gruesome theories about Madeleine and her parents.

Sass said...

Hiya Mandz

If you were referring to my post I was talking about the one who kept putting up prayers!

Rosiepops said...

Sass

I just read your post and I am PMSL.

Poor OLDE slowly, slowly catchy
monkey Leigh.

I thought is was Dope heading for the psyciatric ward after 2345, seems it is Leigh.

(I hope there are plenty of spare beds)

Who do you think will be next?

Mandz said...

I agree Tinks this man will not want to be associated with this mess anymore. He is aware of the mess Goncthedonk left him.

In my opinion he may have been forced to apologise to the Police Union for being honest “acted too hasty” and had to go public because they were up in arms however what the heck were they up in arms about? If this man is as good as they say then why have they not trusted his judgement and word? Surely the public want the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth???? Or do they…..

Rosiepops said...

Sass,

Have you noticed the similarity between Roth and Leigh?

They are both barking mad and they are both full of themselves.

Mandz said...

If you were referring to my post I was talking about the one who kept putting up prayers!

**********************************

Hi Sass,

No I wasn’t! However I remember the prayer person but cannot understand why he/she has never heard of “thou shall not judge”?........Lol….

Rosiepops said...

Mandz

The McCann's and their family want the truth, people like us want the truth, but Vile and the vilettes and her interns just want to continue to believe the lies and innuendo that the PJ are feeding them. They have no room for the truth, it doesn't fit their theories.

The barkers have still not fallen in, that they are being used and manipulated in order to divert attention away from the truth.

But them they enjoy it, they would hate to lose their scapegoats on which they heap, their hate and venom upon on a daily basis.

Sass said...

Rosie

They must be queueing up for beds! At least Roth's language was better than Leigh's. Leigh is a very poor copy!

Mandz

I don't think the Portuguese want anything except to get this over with - and it doesn't matter what they do to achieve this aim.

Mandz said...

Great post, poor poor Bianca, did you know she went to university and got a degree?

******************
Hi Rosie,
Lol......lol....pmsl....!!!!!!!!!

Sass said...

Mandz

That's s'aright then!

Sass said...

Am off now - see you tomorrow!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi All, Bye Sass x

Rosiepops said...

Hi Tinks

Where have you been? Apparently I have upset everybody on Viles and Leigh is in meltdown and Impostordoc has already melted though.

Rosiepops said...

Sass

Night lightweight!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Rosie,

I've been over on the forum. I opened my first topic and then lost it!

Rosiepops said...

Tinks

Apparently Leigh is next to be admitted to the psychiatric ward, she is having a breakdown, who do you think will be next?

Rat is odds on favourite

Dope and Hope are 2/1

Impostordoc is already in underobservation

Gina is 3/1

and Sw......mmmmmmmm (mustn't mention thename) is 4/1

Mandz said...

Rosie they have nothing better to discuss!

Good night all…

Rosiepops said...

Tinks

And did you lose it after you lost it? ;-)

Try pressing preview before send and then if anything happens you do not lose your post.
did you manage to find it?

Perhaps Impostordoc nicked it?

After all they spend more time reading what we are writing than they do reading each other.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Leigh cant be having a mental breakdown as you need a brain for that. I'd say its even stevens between little thicko and Prat!

Rosiepops said...

Night Mandz

Sleep well take care x

Tinkerbell43 said...

Night Mandz x

Rosiepops said...

By thicko who do you mean Impostordoc or Little Thicko? (LGC)

Tinkerbell43 said...

lol, I know we are spoilt for choice but I'm referring to LGC.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Rosie, Imposterdoc is so dense, light bends round him :0)

Rosiepops said...

Tinks

Can't find any mention of Alipio Ribeiro on Sky News.

Rosiepops said...

Tinks

In future when you mention thicko in relation to that lot, don't forget to state who it is, or it can get mighty confusing with all those Neanderthals over there!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Rosie, no I couldnt either, just watching BBC now to see if there is any mention on there.

I get confused with who actually does what,(probably because they do so little) is Ribeiro head of the PJ ?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Rosie,

WhyMadeleine has left you a link to view on the forum.

Rosiepops said...

is it in our private lounge on the open part?

Rosiepops said...

Tinks

Are you here or there? lol

dianeh said...

Hi Missed you all again

Will leave some posts on the forum.

dianeh said...

And would like to comment about child abuse in Britain.

We have very similar problems in Australia as in Britain and for any poster from Australia to accuse Britain of failing their children, then they should crawl back in their box and shut up.

I will put on here a little story that I have told before.

In my home town, a young woman took her 1 month old baby to the supermarket, and this was early in the morning. She was so drunk, she left the baby behind and the supermarket staff knew where she lived and one managed to catch her before she got all the way home. A concerned citizen rang the police to say they were worried about the baby and the police said there was nothing they could do. Imagine the day for that baby, probably no feed, no nappy changes, nothing but being left alone. And that is the best that could be hoped for.

Another woman, another baby. A little baby was found dead in the morning following a party,where the mother was so drunk, she cant remember what happened. One other person at the party told police that the mother's boyfriend told her to shut up the crying baby, the mother went to it and then there was no more crying. And a dead baby.

For both of these, no charges were laid. Both of the young women are from an ethnic minority. As to why they were not charged, I can only speculate.

In my opinion, regardless of the ethnicity of a child, they all deserve the same chance to grow up. They all deserve the same level of safety. We in Aust, are using enthnicity to allow abuse to occur against children by insisting that children must be kept within the same culture as they were born to, regardless of whether it is safe or not. Great, but culture does you no good if you are dead as a tiny baby.

So if a certain Australian wants to do something to help children, she could start campaigning against the abuse of children within our own country. We dont need to go abroad for it, we have it home grown.

dianeh said...

And this is only the tip of the iceberg. We have isolated communities where 1 in 10 children are physically/sexually abused, and that doesnt include the children that have foetal alcohol syndrome.

And then we have the rising incidence of violence against children. This has increased in recent years, while violence against adults has decreased. This was reported in the press a few weeks ago.

All countries have their own problems with child abuse and neglect, and try to deal with it. It is the fact that they try and how they try that is important.

dianeh said...

Bianca

Why are you here posting?

No one even really cares what you write. I cant even be bothered to read it.

I never read any of your posts today, just responded to a comment about you implying that Britain is not looking after their children. I didnt even bother to check it was true that you said it.

Cause I dont care.

The only reason the others mention you is because they find your posts laughable.

dianeh said...

Bianca

No, darling, you miss my point.

I dont care what you write. So I am not going to bother answering you concerning whats in your posts.

Now, from someone with a uni degree to someone else with a uni degree, please dont bother to post here because we just dont care what you write.

Sass said...

Hi Dianeh

The hoover is here!

Sass said...

Bianca/Shirley Temple/Whoever else you may claim to be. Go to your own bleugh. It is a quote on the front page, idiot woman.

Sass said...

Is your blog really SO incredibly boring that you have to come here to try and stir? Have you nothing else in your life? I actually feel sorry you.

Mandz said...

Did we drag Bianca away from burning her bra? What was so important on our site that got in the way of this?! Lol…

Bianca why don’t you spend more time with your kids instead of posting posts such as (which I saw a few months ago on Alsaliar site and was horrified) it went something like: Dear Maddie it is your mummy and daddy who let you down.
Who would think of posting such a sick post to a little girl? Did you ever stop and think the abductor could get off on this sort of thing Bianca? Honestly you really are brainless and sick.

Sass said...

Mandz

That's it! Being on Bianca's bleugh must be like being in solitary confinement, so she thought she would get on some nerves here instead!

I reckon she and Leigh are going the same way as 2345.

Mandz said...

Hi Sass,
Nothing surprises me anymore with them!

Sass said...

Mandz

I know what you mean. Just when you think they can't get anymore more ridiculous, they prove you wrong!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Yoo Hoo PJ, any chance you could lift the McCs status before you collapse in a complete shambles.

ALL this soooo called evidence and no charges, tut, tut anyone would think you didn't have anything!

BTW, who's next for the chop, lol.

Mum21 said...

How courageous of you WIB to post a comment on here when you can see there is nobody around.

Oh, and what I beleive is YOU are not What I Believe at all.

Jojam said...

Rosie, Sass,
When you started this blog it was civil and polite in supporting the McCann family but it has failed to do this & has shown little respect for Madeleine & her family

I find it very sad that this blog has decended into a witch hunt of the PJ & other blogs. Yes they have made errors of judgement.......As did the McCanns when they left their children alone.......I do not agree with the blogs who have mounted a witch hunt against them for it.

I have looked at your new forum & will not be joining as it appears to be in the same vein.

I have decided that it is time to stop looking at Madeleine blogs as they do absolutely nothing to solve this sad case, in fact they do far more harm than good.

I wish you well.

Tulip said...

Hello all.

I see Swedish and Jojam have taken regretful leave. Hi Jojam, still being judgmental I see!

Anyway I'm here instead -- bad luck everyone!

Not that I have time to make a lot of posts (had a bit too much on ST!) but thought I'd just show the flag.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Guys,

A quick look in from work.

Sorry about the minor irritation, swatted accordingly!

Nice to see you.

Bye for now.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Jojam,

The Mccanns left their children for reasons explained. They have blamed nobody else other than the abductor and yet they have been subjected to the most awful vindictive smear campaign imaginable.

If the PJ had failed to find Madeleine having carried out a thorough investigation, nobody would be blaming them. But IMO they havent. They have smeared, leaked and lied. Nothing I say on this blog will have any personal effect on a member of the PJ but that cannot be said about the McCanns and their family can it.

I will not sit back and allow the likes of these Vile blogs to get away with spewing their poison, no way.

Mandz said...

Jojam:
I find it sad that you are having digs again about this blog because we pass judgement on a disgraceful police force that made a catalogue of errors and in my opinion who failed a little girl who needed their help. The PJ are a big part of this investigation if you can call it that therefore I will continue to have my say on them and I will not shut up and if you see that as a witch hunt– fine.

As for the other blogs who constantly go on about how Maddie died and how her parents were involved and IMO they back slap the evil sick person/s who took her because they refuse to belive they exist therefore how can you even compare this blog to theirs? No comparison Jojam no comparison.

So long fair well…

Mandz said...

Hi Mum21!
Looks like I have missed you!

Will ask anyway!
What do you think about this head Ribero resigning?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Well lets hope the new man in charge starts by instructing that the McCanns are brought uptodate as to what has been done to find their daughter.

It is scandalous, that 8 months after having returned to the UK, they have not even had so much as a phone call, kiss my a..., nothing.

How can anyone say the McCanns have not cooperated. Where has the contact been for them to cooperate ?

I doubt his appointment will make any difference to Madeleine's investigation, sadly the damage is long done!

Mum21 said...

Hi Mandz.

I am not sure what to make of Ribeiro resigning...except something tells me he was pushed out. In my opinion his moral standards were a lot higher than were expected or wanted by the PJ in general. I think because he had the guts to speak out against Amaral and his tribe of henchmen...he was firmly pushed out. We have to remember Amaral and a few of his colleagues are due to stand trial very soon. The last thing Portugal's police want at the moment is an honest leader.

Of course this is only my opinion.

Tinkerbell43 said...

I have a feeling Ribeiro was battling against those that still remain loyal to Gonc. I think internally Gonc carried quite a bit of weight (literally,lol) and he strikes me of someone that has a lot of fingers in different pies, the unsavoury ones, if you get my drift!

I think Ribeiro's days were numbered when he made the infamous "too hasty" comment. He knows they have no evidence but I'm still undecided as to whether he walked or was pushed.

Mandz said...

Hi Mum!
One minute I think perhaps he was pushed due to speaking out telling the truth when he said “acted too hasty” then forced to apologise to police union then the public? However I can’t get my heard around the fact that he was meant to be this “great” detective then his own people do not appear to trust his judgement or word or believe that he just might be right when he said too hasty against the McCann’s. I don’t understand what the public are up in arms about or the hierarchy? Surely they want the truth?
Then sometimes I think for the same reasons mentioned he has thrown in the towel.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Everyone

Hope you are all OK? Anything new?

Mandz said...

Tinks & Mum,

The sad fact is the whole case appears to be a mess and who is suffering....Maddie. My heart breaks when I think of her.

Mum21 said...

I also believe Ribeiro's days were numbered because of his honesty in admitting the PJ were too hasty. But I also think there is more to it than has been made public.
As to whether he was pushed or resigned....I honestly do not know.
But either way I do believe that pressure was put on him.

Mandz said...

Hi Rosie,

Not heard anything have you?

Mum21 said...

Mandz,

I don't think the PJ give a damn anymore about Madeleine. They are more concerned about saving face....and getting Amaral and his merry men off the hook.

Mandz said...

Yes Mum I agree pressure from above and Ameral suspect team I'm sure did not help along with in my opinion - manufactured evidence.

Sass said...

Hiya

Just got home. See JoJam left again.

Dare I ask if there is anything new?

Mandz said...

Well, sick son of a bitches. That little girl needed their help and who has benefited from their mistakes? The Abductor/s.

In my opinion something is dreadfully wrong.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Does anyone actually know what the official line is regarding Ribeiro's departure ?

Mandz said...

Why are the PJ not cooperating with the McCann’s…? If they have all this claimed evidence then why have they not arrested them? Did they think we were going to forget their claims..? No chance..

Ps I also think there is something fishy about the Irish couple who claimed they were drugged?

Mandz said...

Tinks,

No..?

Sass hello!

Mandz said...

Where is Melbel.....?

Mandz said...

I think I'm talking to myself - no change there then..Lol...!

Off for a cuppa...

Mandz said...

Girls just got an email back...

Tinkerbell43 said...

Well one things for certain, its the PJ that are crumbling and not the McCanns.

Gerry & Kate have withstood everything the PJ have thrown at them and they are still united and determined to fight for Justice for Madeleine.

Contrary to what the Vile blogs would like to believe, Kate is very much Gerry's equal, in fact I think she is becoming more outspoken where Gerry tries to be the diplomat. One things for certain Kate will not be railroaded into anything by anyone, that came over loud and clear in the documentary.

Mandz said...

Where are you all...?

Right the kettle is on...

Rosiepops said...

I have to just make this post to Jojam, sorry, but this person is really bugging me.
It seems that we can think what we like as long as it is line with what Jojam thinks.

Hi Jojam,

Has it ever occurred to you that I and others say the things we do about the PJ, because we actually believe them to be true? fortunately we live in a democracy not a police state so we are allowed an opinion. You really are a very judgemental person.

Jojam said...
Rosie, Sass,
When you started this blog it was civil and polite in supporting the McCann family but it has failed to do this & has shown little respect for Madeleine & her family

This blog is civil and polite, unless people like you come on it and decided not to be civil and polite and just make an unpleasant post out of nowhere and for no particular reason.

I find it very sad that this blog has decended into a witch hunt of the PJ & other blogs. Yes they have made errors of judgement.......As did the McCanns when they left their children alone.......I do not agree with the blogs who have mounted a witch hunt against them for it.

This is not a witch hunt of the PJ, we are stating facts and the facts are the PJ have messed this investigation up. They are responsible for a catalogue of errors, they have leaked bizarre killing theories. The PJ have leaked sensitive and confidential witness statements and information to journalists.
They have treated this grieving couple absolutely dreadfully on little or no evidence.

I note that you feel able to come here and constantly criticize us for our beliefs and you say you have objected tot he witch hunt of Kate and Gerry McCann, but the posts I have seen from you on the DX and on Vile's blog, you do not point out to them the error of their ways and say nothing about people stating outright that they killed their daughter etc etc etc

Why is that Joajam? Are you afraid of them? Not got the guts to stand up to them?


I have looked at your new forum & will not be joining as it appears to be in the same vein.

Jojam we are so flattered that you have decided to look over our new forum, whatever did we do to receive that accolade from the great and almighty Jojam?

Don't worry, we will not be losing any sleep about you not joining, we don't want you anyway.


I have decided that it is time to stop looking at Madeleine blogs as they do absolutely nothing to solve this sad case, in fact they do far more harm than good.

I wish you well.

Who said that they would ever solve this case? If you thought that then no wonder you are disappointed.

You are entitled to your opinion, but so are we ours.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Rosie & Sass,

Hope you are both well. Nothing new I'm afraid :-(

Sass said...

Hiya Tinks

Sort of guessed that would be the answer!

Going to check out the forum to see what has been posted there. Gina (in yet another farewell post) reckoned our forum wasn't public! Everyone else can see it!

Rosiepops said...

Mum

I think he may have resigned himself because he knew if he hung around when the truth really does come out he would be tarred with the same brush..

Maybe he resigned because he knows the McCann's were being treated unfairly and he wanted no part of it?

Apparently the new person taking over is an ex PJ and the antis are all expecting great things from him. Personally I think they are in for a huge disappointment, if this man who now has "political masters" has any truth about him he will start to clean this mess up, in fact I think he has been put in this position for this exact reason!

He is there because he has no ties with any of it or anyone.

I think this is the first step to the McCann's arguido status being lifted. Let's face it the Portuguese Public are more likely to take this from him with his police background then they are from anyone with a political background!

I bet he has been reading all the papers on this case all day!

Rosiepops said...

Sass

Gina is probably on about the members only part which she cannot read. But remember she is not the sharpest tool in the box and so would not necessarily understand this.

Mum21 said...

Rosie,

You could very well be right.

All I hope is he is not a cabon copy of Amaral and his merry men.
Because if he is the PJ will get worse instead of better. Which would not be good news for the McCann's.
At the moment I find it hard to have faith in any person who is...or has been a member of the PJ.

Rosiepops said...

Tinks

i read that ridiculous article on the front of Vile's, talk about making libellous comments!

Did you know that this ridiculous woman now has a third career as well as being a;

Solicitor
Probation Officer

She is also a crack shot photographer and knows all there is to know about photography!

The laughable thing is that her "extensive photographic" knowledge does not run to her being able to change the date and time on her digital camera! pmsl

you have to laugh don't you?

Mandz said...

Apologies I meant Paul Rebelo not
Alipero Ribeiro the national director of the PJ!

Thanks Helen!

Mandz said...

Tinks, Mum, Rosie & Sass,

Catch you all later!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Rosie,

I do think Ribeiro believes the McCanns have been treated unfairly, wasn't that also the reason why De Sousa allegedly left aswell.

There is something about Ribeiro that makes me feel as if there is a conscience there.

Maybe he just cannot stomach any longer the underhandedness of it all. It sounds as if he was surrounded by bad apples and lets face it, if he would be the one to lift the McCanns status, he is going to be the one to suffer from the fall-out and why should he be the one to suffer for Goncs mess.

Tinkerbell43 said...

See ya Mandz, take care x

Sass said...

See ya Mandz
x

Rosiepops said...

Mum

Neither do I, I have no faith in them at all. I think that something really corrupt could be going on behind the scenes here.

I just think the politicians have realised that this has gone on too long and gone too far and they have now shipped someone in that can clear it up.

The Portuguese government need to sort this out because they can see the effect it is having on their tourist trade.

Personally I would not go on holiday to Portugal if I was paid to do so.

Look at what may have happened to that couple with their three tiny children.

they are saying they think their drinks were spiked and i thought right from the start that this sounded suspect.

how would you get two people that pass out at exactly the same time? And would two people really drink themselves int oblivion when they had a 1yr and 2yr old with them as well as a 6 year old?

From all I can gather they have had some pretty impressive people speaking out for them, saying they have never known the, to be drunk or irresponsible etc and that this was completely out of character.

I think they were drugged either to be robbed when they were out of it, or more chillingly maybe so they could be rendered incapable so that their children could be taken!
Only they passed out too quickly and the children were taken into care foiling plans.

indefinitely would be extremely concerned if I were going on holiday to Portugal.

Some holiday that would be too scared to eat, drink or take your eyes off of your children for a second!

Sass said...

Rosie

You've got mail!

Rosiepops said...

Tinks,

I think this too, I do not think his boss wanted him to leave.

the person put in his place I feel has been hand chosen by politicians to try and appease the Portuguese public when the lifting of the arguido status happens.

Also I think this person has been put there because he has no connections and can do what needs to be done, especially, when the McCann's are allowed to view their files, because the Politicians know that this is when the S*** is really going to hit the fan, because it will suddenly become known that the PJ has not got and nor did they ever have a shred of evidence to ever make the McCann's suspects.

There is going to be a hell of a storm when this comes out, this is why I think Alipio Ribeiro went, he wants no part in this and has probably being saying for some time that they should be released from this status!

Mum21 said...

We can only hope the new man cleans up the PJ's act...and fast.

Rosie, My husband and I were offered a free luxury villa holiday in Portugal by my sons friend. We said thanks but NO.

helenm said...

Evening folks,

Sass, you would have lost your bet!! 4 and a half hours more or less, our 'friend' returned.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Rosie,

I think your post of 22:02 is spot on.

There is going to be one hell of a fall out. This is possibly a very clever strategic move.

I do think Ribeiro's comment was to prepare the public for no charges and it makes sense for someone new with no ties to be put in place to appease the publics reaction.

Lets hope the new broom will sweep clean. Credibility needs to be restored but unfortunately I think it will take a very long time to recover from what we have learned.

Sadly it is too late to help Madeleine.

Rosiepops said...

Mum

I would not feel safe on holiday in Portugal, don't fancy having my mineral water spiked!
A waiter would probably look at my drink and say that I was drinking large glasses of spirits all night or something!

Rosiepops said...

I also think that the PJ and the Portuguese government are terrified that the McCann's are going to be told some information that was Lost during the investigation.

I don't think they like the fact that the McCann's are now asking for all the people that have given information to the PJ to contact them and give their information again.

Something is going to come of this I can feel it.

I also think it will be concerning a certain very big bald person that keeps popping up in photographs!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Helen,

Haven't seen you for a couple of days, hope you are well.

I think you've missed Sass, shes being a lightweight again!

helenm said...

Hi Tinks,

I keep forgetting that Sass is an hour ahead of us!! still being a young lass you would have thought she would have more stamina!!!

My son is visiting at the moment. Sisters went back on Sunday morning, he arrived |Sunday afternoon!! Have to play perfect mother and be at his beck and call!!

Have been reading you all here and on the forum. I must say the forum is looking brilliant.

Tinkerbell43 said...

I've not really followed the story of the Irish couple, but my immediate thoughts were how convenient, on the eve of Madeleines disappearance, British parents are making the headlines in Portugal for alleged child neglect.

The timing just seems too suspect to me, I very much doubt, if it wasn't for Madeleine we wouldn't have heard anything about it.

Sadly this is not the first time holiday makers (not just British) would have had a good drink whilst on holiday with their children, but they dont all make the headlines! I cant help feeling the Portuguese have milked this. Sorry I just cant trust anything that comes out of Portugal.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hi Helen,

British Mum in Portugal, playing the perfect mother, unheard of, lol.

Yes we are pleased with the Forum, glad you like it, slowly but surely it is taking shape.

Next time you speak to Sass, tell her you preferred the multi coloured balloons! Rosie and I drove her mad over wanting just green and yellow, lol.

Bless her, shes done a good job.

Rosiepops said...

Tinks

i was going to send sass an email asking her what happened to the multi coloured balloons! lol

helenm said...

You can't credit it can you? The Mccann's are lambasted daily on TWS for their use of the media in keeping Madeleine in the public eye, as a result of that media campaign you would have thought that it would have been difficult for anyone to forget the anniversary of her abduction. Don't you believe it read the following from the BBC:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/1937926/Madeleine-McCann%27s-parents-Kate-and-Gerry-receive-BBC-apology-over-film.html

Rosiepops said...

Helen

They never mention on that vile ones site that the McCann's used the media to try and find their daughter and neither does thick perverted Viv mention that the McCann's were left to their own devises immediately after Madeleine was abducted, the Pj went home and went to bed.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Helen,

I cannot believe anyone lambasting the McCanns for wanting to keep Madeleine in the public eye. Its so easy to criticise when it is not their child.

I dont believe they are responsible for most of the media coverage anyway. You only have to look at the DE alone, it was reported, when the McCanns sued, there was 108 stories that were considered libellous or defamatory. That is 108 stories that were not generated by the McCanns.

Tinkerbell43 said...

I'm turning in All, am having a few problems it is taking an age for the page to refresh.

See you tomorrow. Enjoyed the chat.

Take care, nite x

Rosiepops said...

Tinks

That was my immediate thoughts on learning this about the Irish couple, I thought it was wonderfully convenient on the eve of Madeleine's disappearance!

When I read further I began to think they had their drinks spiked and this is what looks like happened.

People go on holiday to have a couple of drinks and let their hair down and relax, of course they do nothing wrong in that but this situation is just too convenient and far too fishy!

How could two people take their children out with them, have a drink and then crash out at exactly the same time?

This is ridiculous, it just would not happen, I hope they have had blood tests, but if they were taken in Portugal, I would not count on their truthful accuracy of results.

People that know this couple from their home town, have all said that this is completely out of character and I just cannot believe that two people would go out and drink like this with these very young children in tow.

helenm said...

Goodnight Tinks , Rosie , turning in myself.

Rosiepops said...

Night Tinks,

Sleep well, take care. xxx

I'm turning in too,

Good night everyone sleep well and take care. xxx

xxx God Bless Madeleine xxx

Tinkerbell43 said...

WIB,

Sorry I think you are confusing us with another blog.

Your questions would be best directed at the PJ or even the JFM bog, they are the experts at inventing sick lies and defending child abductors.

BTW, you asked 3 questions! If you are bored and have a lot of free time on your hands, they will snap you up on the Justice for Maddie site as they have no purpose in life either.

Sass said...

Hiya Tinks

Wanted to delete, but Concorde fingers got there first! Hiya. How ya doing?

Tinkerbell43 said...

Hiya Sass,

Ok thanks. Thought I'd have a quick scout around before getting back to the rat race!

Have a good day, catch you later x

Sass said...

Ta Tinks

You, too. Will stay on blog and swat that prat!

Me
x

Rosiepops said...

Yesterday on the Vile one's blog, the blog of hate and horrors, it was noted that Viv is back to her spiteful venomous libellous self.

I do not knoe if it is but if this woman Viv is who some say she is, it cannot be too long before she is rumbled by the police for posting on the net when she is apparently not supposed to! this could of course involve her in another prison sentence, however, I feel it is not a prison sentence this woman needs, but a spell in a secure mental insitution where people can actually help her.

The mental health casualties on that blog are becoming really bad and this is not a throw away remark, it is a fact. One only has to look at 2345, Claudia,Bianca, Doppel, Marga and Zodiac, to see what is happening there. People are being really very badly mentally damaged.

I think the people that have left that blog lately are wise, even though they refuse to admit the real reasons why they are leaving it!

No right minded, logical and rational person can post on that site in all seriousness for very long before it starts affecting their mental well being.

Viv needs help, she should cease all contact with the very sinister Impostordoc, he is using her frail mental health appallingly and she just cannot see it, she is still swooning at his every word because she honesty believes he is a doctor! Not too many other people believe this now thank goodness, only those that need what they perceive to be the respect of having a doctor in their midst. Most people have now seen impostordoc and his little Alta ego 'Southerncross' for exactly who they are, one and the same people for a start!

Hopefully Viv will see this too, but somehow I doubt it.

calcite51 said...

Claws - you are a JOKE - our faces are not red and we're not angry. Talking about predictions that didn't happen - what happen to your "Don't worry,Alsabella has business to take care of and her web will be reopening in a couple of days."?? Didn't some of your people also predict that the McCanns would be charged? And what about that best selling book from Christavalo - no accolades - don't see his name to win any awards for that little piece of garbage?

Teeeheee...........Lol.

From the foolish forum:

Cláudia said...
Hello,querida Viv.
Yhey also make me smile, Viv. Sometimes, I can almost see their red faces and the drulfrom their anger. Let's say it is like waking up, opening the windows and seeing how good the weather is. It just makes you smile. When was the arguido status supposed to have been lifted? Late last year, was it? lololol
Life is great! :-)

I'm glad we can agree you're not me and I'm not you! :-)

xxxx

Sass said...

Calcite

Bang on! Who gets red faces about some moron kid who is trying to sound "grown-up" and just sounds like a pathetic, vile creature with no life!


Back on topic!

Taken from the Mail

McCanns' status as supects in daughter's disappearance 'will be lifted by August'
Last updated at 14:34pm on 9th May 2008

Comments


Madeleine McCann went missing in May, last year, just days before her fourth birthday
Kate and Gerry McCann will be cleared within three months of any involvement in their daughter Madeleine's disappearance, their Portuguese lawyer said today.

Rogerio Alves said that by August at the latest the couple's status as suspects, or arguidos, will be lifted.

Mr Alves, a criminal lawyer with contacts in the judicial system, said: "I believe that by August the police will close the case and lift arguido status.

"I believe it is a very strong possibility."

The out-going national director of the judicial police, Alipio Ribeiro, hinted today that the investigation will be shut down.

Mr Ribeiro, who stood down today, told a Portuguese radio station: "We need to be patient.

"There are cases of this sort that sometimes are only solved many years after.

"Obviously I would have liked this case to have been resolved fully but there are always cases that remain unsolved."

Rosiepops said...

Calcite

LOL Don't see liar Paulo Cristoavo up for the Booker prize with that load of lies any time soon!

We will see him and his tubby mate Gonc up in court soon though, apparently with more than a good chance of convictions, so I hope they are saving their pimped euros that they earned off of the backs of innocent missing little girls, they are going to need them, when they come out of prison and after losing their police pensions!

My God how sick is that? Making money out of missing babies? it is almost the same as prostitution, it is a disgrace.

Portugal hang your heads in shame!

Rosiepops said...

Why is the woman/child Clawd speaking in broken English all of a sudden does anyone know?

Does anyone know what she is blathering on about anyway? What a thing to get happy about? Two people in the depths of despair over their little innocent daughter abducted from her bed in Portugal, probably by a paedophile or child trafficking ring operating in a sleepy holiday resort on the Algarve and if that wasn't bad enough these poor people are then persecuted by the Portuguese police! The very people that should have been leading the investigation and hunt to find Madeleine, let her down and instead of looking for the filthy sub human scum who abducted her, they turn and try to pin the blame on the parents?

This is something to be proud and happy about Clawd? You are as sick as the corruptness running rife in Portugal.

Red faced angry? Describes you to a T, or it should, if I were Portuguese I would be very red faced and angry at the appalling blundering of my police force and the obvious covering up going on.

Still you will be red faced soon when all the corruptness comes out as it is just beginning to, why else do you think a man like Alipio Ribeiro resigned? Maybe he could no longer take what he knew to be happening, pity there are not a few more like him with a conscience!

The house of cards is starting to tumble, who is next to resign?

Two words Cllawd "Corrupt" and "Police state", ring any bells?

Rosiepops said...

Sass

they will not be happy with that prediction, Insane Viv/Felicity, Clueless Clawd, Pinocchio Arsabliar/Ana/Marla, Bonkers Bianca, nutty Nancy, mad Marga, hapless Hope, zimmer zodiac, Impostordoc, ridiculous Rat, Loopy Leigh, they say they want the truth, but they do not, the only thing they want to hear is that the McCann's have been charged with murder and their little twins taken away from them.

Regardless of whether they are guilty or not!

Mum21 said...

Claudia,
How can life be great when a small child is still missing? The important issue is not who is guilty of what, or whether the suspect status is lifted now, next month or August.
The important issue is...where is Madeleine. Nobody can state categorically that she is dead...because nobody knows. Not even your precious fat Amaral.

So Claudia, try showing a little compassion for a tiny four year old...because life is not great for her.
Oh, and before you start calling us child neglect supporters, NO WE ARE NOT!
What we are is people who know it was wrong to leave the children alone....but they did. So we have to move on. We cannot turn back the clock...but we can and do pray for a miracle.

Pity you could not pray for a miracle too in your life that is so great.

Rosiepops said...

Clawd will not see that mum, it has never been about this little 'British' girl, it has always been about Portugal and the PJ not being blamed for anything.

They do not even seem to care that Portugal's own children have gone missing, they did not want the true culprits who abducted little Joana Cipriano caught, most of Portugal were content to stand by and watch the mother and uncle of this poor child denigrated and go to prison for something they did not do, rather than face the unpleasant truth, that Portugal has got something very sinister going on.

Like it or not the likelihood that the abduction of Joana Cipriano and Madeleine McCann are connected is very high.

Then all the others have to be taken in consideration too! Rui Pedro and the strange case of Carolina Santos, a failed abduction just 4 months before Madeleine was abducted and just 30 mins drive away. To say nothing of the other poor child just outside PDL that was found murdered and the man convicted of her murder, has not a shred of concrete evidence against him, other than the fact he is British!

The McCann's also asked police to investigate if there was a connection between the murder of poor dear little Mari Luz-Cortes and the disappearance of Madeleine, what has become of this?
And if any connections between all of these children were found would the PJ let on about it?

You see I do not believe they would, I just do not trust them, I think there is something very wrong and corrupt here.

So many children going missing from within the same region? There must be a connection, it is just too incredible for there not to be!

Rosiepops said...

Mari Luz Cortez Missing 2008 Huelva Spain

(Approximately one half hours/ 2 hours drive from Praia da Luz)

In three cases a body has never been found. What is the statistical likelihood of this happening? 4 children missing within close proximity and 3 bodies have never been found?

Now in Gran Canaria

July 2006, a 14-year-old Sara Morales Vanished from Los Palmas

March 2007 7 year old Yeremi Vargas vanished.

Now what is the statistical value and probability of this happening within a region?

6 children all abducted within easy reach of the coast of Africa?

6 children 5 of whose bodies have never been found.

6 children whose disappearances all bear similarities.

In the case of Yeremi Varagas, it has been reported that a person answering the description given by Gail Cooper was seen in the area that Yeremi vanished from.

Add to this the attempted abduction of little Carolina Santos just a 30 minute drive away from Praia da Luz.

The PJ have never spoken to Mr Mrs Santos, even though they got in contact with the PJ and offered to talk to them about what happened to their daughter.

Why? I would have thought that the PJ would want to investigate this properly.

I hope that Mr Mrs Santos have got in touch with the McCann's through on of their email addresses or telephone numbers. The very fact that the PJ have obviously not investigated this, is something that should be looked into. There are similarities here too!

CALL: 0845 8384699

Or email on

investigation@findmadeleine.com

Or email the McCann's anonymously on:

anonymous@findmadeleine.com

Mandz said...

Mum & Rosie,
Exactly how can she be happy when a little girl is still missing and the police have not charged anyone since…last year?
As for red face for what? The police ready to swoop as early as today tomorrow next month? We have the evidence LOL…. The only people who will have a red face will be the police and the people who defend the abductors day in day out - vilesite.

helenm said...

Hi folks,

They are al getting ready for the 'the Mccann's are guilty, only they (PJ) cannot prove it' rant. Or 'if they didn't do it (whatever it is) they should be charged with the abandonment offence.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Mandz

The only thing that makes my blood boil, is that an innocent child is missing and the PJ stopped looking for her in week three and started blaming the parents.

If the PJ had spent as much time, money and energy on actually searching for Madeleine, this may be a different story and we would not now be having this debate!

I cannot tell you how much I hold the PJ and the Portuguese government in contempt. I do not blame the ordinary Portuguese people of course I do not, but why haven't they got the guts to stand up and start questioning their police?

I do however, how people like Clawd, Arsabliar and Marga in contempt, they seem to be purely in existence to make lame excuses for Tubby and the Tubettes, sometimes I wonder if Clawd, Arsa and Marga are real people at all and not just names dreamed up by the PJ to try and bolster their standing?

The whole thing is odd, all of it and something is very very wrong in Portugal.

Look at that Irish couple, I do not believe they were drunk at all, I believe their drinks were spiked for one of three reasons, 1) tried to make them unresponsive with a view to abducting one or more of the children.

2) Drugged so they could be easily robbed.

3) Drugged to make it look bad for yet another British couple on the eve of Madeleine's disappearance - how utterly convenient!

I would not go to Portugal on holiday for free!

This couple both passed out at the same time, how odd? I reckon their drinks were spiked, they felt ill and tried to get back to their hotel room but could not make it, thank God, because if they did get back to their hotel room and then passed out no one wold have known and we may now be looking at another tragedy of a missing child/children and another couple being condemned and vilified and accused of child neglect!

What the hell is going on in Portugal?

Personally I would feel safer on holiday in Basra!

Rosiepops said...

Hi Helen

You can read that lot like a book can't you?

Regardless of the fact that a little child is still missing, they would be happy to see her parents blamed for it even though they know fully well they did not harm their child and even though this would mean another two innocent little lives blighted.

They would rather this and just breeze merrily along, even though they know that in believing this NO ONE has looked or is now looking for Madeleine! No one except her parents that is, who are desperately finding money from where ever they can to actually fund the search for their daughter.

I read that Vile perverted woman Viv write that she thought that the McCann's should donate the money they have had given them for the fund and the-money they themselves have raised for the fund to other charities for missing children! You cannot quite understand that can you?

Who exactly would then be looking for Madeleine if this happened? Or doesn't that ugly minded woman want Madeleine found?

Mandz said...

Hi All,

Yes all they want is this couple charged with "something" anything to satisfy their sick minds and forget about the fact that they are innocent and forget about the real criminal/s who took Maddie all they want is a “charge” and sentence. Honestly they are pathetic.

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