They demanded a judicial inquiry and called on Portugal's justice minister to hunt down the source who leaked their official police statements to the media.
They want the country's police to investigate how the statements - given in the immediate aftermath of their daughter Madeleine's disappearance on May 3 last year - came to be leaked to a Spanish television channel.
Police in the couple's home county of Leicestershire have been informed and MP Stephen Dorrell called on the Foreign Office to raise the matter with the Portuguese authorities.
Police in Portugal supposedly operate in total secrecy and officers, suspects and even witnesses face jail if they speak out about ongoing investigations.
Madeleine: Missing for almost a year But behind the scenes, officers have briefed selected journalists with a series of sensationalised claims about the 11-month hunt for Madeleine.
The McCanns have endured wild allegations that they could have drugged their children or even dumped Madeleine's body during a publicity visit to Spain.
But they are especially furious about the timing of the latest leak, which derailed a planned trip to the European Parliament to call for an improved alert system for missing children.
The couple met advisers last night to discuss their response to the leak of the statements - in which it was revealed that Madeleine, then three, and her brother Sean, then two, were left crying in their holiday apartment the night before Madeleine disappeared.
A friend of the family said they would not lash out against the police in public.
'They are furious,' he added. 'They are resigned to the fact that they cannot stop this from happening, but their anger hasn't gone away. It's just that revenge is a dish best served cold.'
Mr McCann's sister Philomena said: 'The person responsible must be tracked down and disciplined for this latest leak.
'Gerry and Kate are yet again being victimised by the Portuguese police in the hope that the information will undermine and discredit them in the public's opinion.
'Publicising information about them is obviously aimed at deflecting attention from the fact that the police have not made any breakthroughs in their investigation.'
'The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell called for an end to the Portuguese police's series of 'smears' against the McCanns, who remain official suspects.
They have categorically denied any involvement in their daughter's disappearance.
Mr Mitchell said: 'It is brazen, it is shameless, it is cack-handed and it has got to stop.
'The Portuguese government must now get a grip on whatever element it is within the Portuguese police who has been responsible for these leaks, who is apparently doing it with impunity.
'Someone in the police doesn't want Kate and Gerry to widen the agenda for whatever reason.
'We know what they're up to - it's ridiculous and it must stop.'
He said the McCanns accepted they had made a huge mistake when they decided to leave their children alone in their Algarve holiday apartment while they ate dinner nearby with friends.
He said: 'They know that they got it wrong, they made a mistake and, boy, are they paying the price for that - in heartbreak and agony.'
The journalist who broke the story, Spanish crime reporter Nacho Abad, refused to reveal his sources or if the documents had come from a police officer.
But supporters of the McCanns said there were few other people who had access to the statements.
Mr Abad, of broadcaster Telecinco, said the timing of the leak was 'sheer coincidence' and not a deliberate attempt to cloud the McCanns' visit to Brussels.
He said it would be 'appalling' if police resources were wasted hunting for his source when they should be investigating Madeleine's disappearance.
'The McCanns can't be upset,' he added.
'So much speculation and so many lies have surrounded the Madeleine McCann case and we have told the truth.'
The row broke out as chief investigator Paulo Rebelo returned to Portugal for a crunch meeting with the public prosecutor who will decide if the McCanns will remain suspects.
Mr Rebelo had monitored British police interviews of the friends who were with the couple on the night Madeleine vanished - the so-called Tapas Seven.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=559151&in_page_id=1770&ct=5
- The journalist who broke the story, Spanish crime reporter Nacho Abad, refused to reveal his sources or if the documents had come from a police officer. But believes the McCann's are "totally innocent".
- I think that the person that leaked this will be tracked down and will be sacked and not before time, but will this be enough?
- Does more need to happen to get to the bottom of this shambolic farce of an investigation?
- Who was responsible for putting Goncalo Amaral in charge, despite him facing serious charges concerning another missing girl?
- Someone is responsible for a catalogue of errors concerning this case, who?
- Is something more sinister at play here?
- The McCann's have been quiet and not spoken out or given their side to this tragic event, while the Portuguese police have allegedly been leaking like a sieve - Do you think it is time that the McCann's ignored these archaic secrecy laws and actually gave their version of events?
- Do you think it polite, or do you think it was unnecessarily ignorant and rude that the chief PJ in charge of this case, failed to give the McCann's a call while the Pj were in the UK?
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Excellent post Rosie. My thoughts on whether K and G should speak out themselves despite 'secrecy laws' -- no, not yet. I think that their restraint will still work in their favour. It avoids a slanging match and shows up the PJ.
Their time will come.
Mr Abad may put his article about the Mccann's statements down to coincidence, but his 'source' knew exactly what he was doing. Neither do I believe that he was being atruistic when he says 'appalling if police resources were wasted hunting for his source when they should be investigating Madeleine's disappearance'. His remit was to get a story and some would say by any means. His next statement says it all,
'The McCanns can't be upset,' he added.
'So much speculation and so many lies have surrounded the Madeleine McCann case and we have told the truth.'
Told the truth? Well nothing else matters does it? The fact that these statements were leaked simply to detract from the excellent initiative for a European Alert system for missing children is shameful. I agree with CM, it begs the question 'WHY?' Was it purely downright malice or something more sinister? Time will tell I suppose.
Jane, reading through last nights posts seems you are having trouble with your keyboard. Take Sassy's advice, throw it against the wall, bash it a few times and hey presto!! It certainly worked for me!!!LOL
Morning Tulip, see you have not yet foun a suitable attire!!!
I agree that the Mccann's should not take their gloves off just yet. As they said 'revenge is best served cold'.
Posted twice so deleted, seems to be taking ages this morning to get comment published.
Yes Mr Abad, it would be appalling if resources were wasted on hunting your source, but you give them too much credit at the mere suggestion they would even try!!
Hope what you were paid was worth it!
Talking of credit, imo you are on a par with them. ZERO.
You were right on one point though, albeit you missed out the word HAVE. They should HAVE been investigating Madeleines disappearance. Aint that the TRUTH!!!!.
Maybe you could have a word with your source and find out when they intend to start!
Morning All,
I would say to Kate & Gerry, it comes to those that wait!
Your time will come and when it does, I hope you let them have it with both barrells.
Morning all
A quick comment,as I think the priority, for me,before the holiday, is action and not talk,but would like to support the excellent posts, so far.
I glanced at the tabloids and would agree with the poster, who said that the story is now the leaks.
Rather full and too much information, for child killers, to tgive, would not any sensible person think ?
The McCanns have said that they made the wrong decision, in leaving the children, from day one.
Which part of that can people not understand?
THE MCCANNS HAVE SAID THAT THEY MADE THE WRONG DECISION, IN LEAVING THE CHILDREN, FROM DAY ONE.
The tabloids, I saw, noted that Paulo Rebelo, had gone back a day early and suggested this could be to crack heads for the leak.
After all, he had the remit to stop leaks and has failed.
I would suggest, that we will see the release of the couple, from arguido status, at an early stage.
If not,though they have acted with dignity, throughout, I would personally spill the beans.
After all, what can the Portugese do?
They have leaked, on practically a daily basis and at a high level
[source Times newspaper]. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Claw and PJ ]
The phantasists, on the other blog, are making their usual conspiracy claims."It is everybody but the PJ, your Honour."
There is no doubt, imh, that this will be taken out of Portugal's hands, re the disgusting state of their track record, on human rights, insofar as this case, is concerned and the other Portugese cases, waiting in the wings.
It does not surprise me, but only saddens me, that Rebelo, did not contact the McCanns, courtesy call, or even an update.
I hope the vicious apologies for human beings, on TWS,do not represent the Portugese.
I have my fears, as surveys of opinion, seem to show that the PJ leaks, have been swallowed, over there.I noted the boos when kate went for questioning.
Shannon's mother had been charged,before any person thinks that we do the same, over here and the Police have strictly warned off any would be vigilantes.
This has been a disgraceful episode for POrtugal and they should hang their heads in shame.
Now to action, so I will leave you for today.
China. Thanks for the forensic article, which I read back.
It speaks volumes, to me when Prof Jeffers, the actual inventor of this profiling, said that the PJ, were using it,to draw inappropriate conclusions and offered to come to Court, if needed, on behalf of the McCs, as a witness.
I rest my case.
As for the Spanish TV person saying, that the resources, in tracking the leak,would detract, from the investigation, well that is an entirely different issue.
Just pass this entire case over to our Police and concentrate in dragging Portugal, in front of the European Courts and have an investigation of the Pj, by Interpol or whatever European institutions, this country has signed up to.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it, PJ.
Sorry, I do not seem to do short, but I do need to move mountains, on the domestic front, too.
I see that the rats are turning on each other, in the House of hate.
Bye, lasses and lads and see you tomorrow.x
Hi Melbel,
You do make me smile, I am sending a job lot of pipes out to Portugal c/o the PJ ;0)
Enjoy your holiday, just to let you know, my emails have been going off 10 to the dozen!
Thanks a lot, Tinks.
I would just settle for some decent Policemen !
I am busy too, with the action and e mailing and writing.
My own MP,is supportive of the McCs,as well as the Highest in the land[but best say nothing more on that. }
I would put money, on the arguido status, being lifted, asap and hope the PJ do not try to cut a deal, to mute criticism.
They have a massive task, to prepare their own public, but done it must be.
If people like me, are fired up, it shows what a big issue this is, to the British and worldwide, judging by the countries we represent.
Take care.x x x
Good Morning Tulip Helen Tinks and Melbel.
I don't think it will be too long before Kate and Gerry will be able to speak freely about all of this. Meanwhile I would urge them to remain silent - so as to continue their compliance of the ridiculous arguido conditions. Don't jeopardise it now! It would be very easy to do so, and perfectly understandable.
Your dignified silence has been a revelation in itself.
I was not surprised to read that no contact had been made with Kate and Gerry from the Portuguese investigators. Be honest, what could they possibly say ? (other than,)" We are very sorry for the pain we have inflicted on you and your family, we are doing everything that we can to find your daughter "......and then I woke up!!!!
Could you ever have credited all of these nasty slurs and spins put out to crack Kate and Gerry into confessing? It really is dark and malicious, true stuff of nightmares.
Hi Archer
Just saw you, as I am switching off.
Yes, I think you are right about holding fire.
Just because the Portugese, have violated their own system and laws,should not give the red light for the Mccs, to follow.
Thank goodness, they have the best of legal teams, over here and in Portugal, so wiser words will prevail.
The time will come,in a measured way, when all will be revealed and Portugal will be rocked.
They have behaved with dignity, so far and Clarence and they have said little, considering all the dirt and provocation, thrown at them.
The Portugese are resorting now, to saying they demand 5 star hotels and private jets, to fly back.
Utter rubbish. They are hardly on poverty row and already, I believe, have use of a jet.
If this is all the Portugese, can find to leak about them[no evidence then?]I would think that they will not be arguidos much longer.
Their judges will not want to be associated with a frame up.
Vile is having comments about who should have been carrying the suitcase [blah de blah]No evidence to comment on then ?
She continues to allow and encourage libelous comment, way over the top.
Ena, Guardian [ who I would bet, is genuine ]has warned her and others, but get deleted.
Even the chilling Russian [looks like a fiend, in her photo ]is moderating her language and putting in little caveats.
Too late, Iriana and others.
I would say that these blogs, are being well monitored and would only say, "You are nicked. "
Well,off for the day, now or I will be nicked by the husband, on his return.
We manage suitcases, between us and sometimes, big is not heavy.
Byeeeee.x x x Have a good day.
When all said and done, how on earth can Kate or Gerry ever trust this shower again.
Then to add insult to injury, after all the leaks and smears about the Tapas inconsistencies and 11 months of waiting, if true, The 3 members of the PJ never even stayed around to complete the last 2 interviews of the Tapas 7.
Well if that doesn't speak volumes, I dont know what does!
Tinks
Yes if its true..
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2008/04/12/kate-and-gerry-mccann-s-fury-over-blatant-portuguese-police-leaks-89520-20380363/
Anyway have to carry on with the chores now. Catch you later.:¬)
Tinks
Well said.What Chief Investigator, is going to toddle off, early, if it is a cliffhanger and "make or break " time?
With all that is at stake, in this case and world media interest, you would not leave it to your second and third in command.
They can have nothing.
The McCs would never have gone to the European Conference, if the slightest chance they would be charged.
I bet our Police, have told the PJ,what they think, about the way this investigation, has gone,in no uncertain terms.
Also, if people cannot remember, as clearly so long afterwards, what does this say ?
I would have thought,[though I am guessing] that there would be legal limits, as to how long, after the event, witness statements, for those known to be present, at the time] can be made.
See ya x x x
Tinks and Archer
Yes, I checked the Mirror and if true, number two and three, sugared off,too,early.
All that time to persuade the Judge to let them requestion the Tapas group and then they go early.
How bizarre is that.
Byee, really, this time,as I shall switch myself off.
Going, going gone. x
good afternoon all
MY enforced silence last night was coz I got googled off, as it said I did 'not log in with correct details', which I did. Then it said 'report to google exactly what you were doing when this error notice appeared'. Huh!!! not with the language I was uttering at that time, no I could NOT.
MELBE
Hoe I am not too late to say have a lovely time.
TINKS yes indeed glad you sent the 'pipes' for her...ha ha ha
CHINA another good article from the Scotsman from you.
Hi TULIP AND ARCHER TOO
helen
IT WAS GOOGLE I HAD PROBS WITH MORE THAN KEYBOARD. got locked out. ;o((( gagged by google indeed! cheek.
see you later folks, just wanted to test and see if I was still out of bounds. hee hee
OMG CHINADOLL
goats AGAIN. ha ha ha
You will have Irina here next with her crook. ha ha ha
Also meant to say I agree the McCanns should stay stumm now still - as PJ are digging their hole deeper and deeper and deeper all by themselves. Good.
They imdo should not go to Portugal, even if/when their 'status' is lifted. The Plod Jokes have their own agenda on that one.....
'give them enough rope....' yep. ;o)
The PJ should hang their heads in shame and should definitely investigate where the leaks are coming from.
I am not surprised that Vile's house is in-fighting. Yesterday, I visited her blog and was amazed to read there are some people on that blog still debating whether Madeleine disappeared May 2 or May 3 - grab a brain people. It was May 3 and it was proven that Madeleine was at the creche on May 3 (silly me, the employees of the creche must have lied).
Another item I read on Vile's blog was Clawdia telling her little gang that in Portugal they always use the actual people when doing a reconstruction. Now, Clawdia that does NOT surprise me much.
And Clawdia, it would not surprise me to hear that Portugal also blames the victims who have been raped (wrong place, wrong clothes, etc.) The reconstruction IF using the actual victims/arguidos seems like another cruel way of victimizing the victims again.
Kate and Gerry their day will come (not today) but soon when they will be able to blast the PJ and I for one will cheering them on.
Melbel - have a wonderful time.
Hi all,
Was having a look through the latest news on Mccann Files and found this item by 24horas translated from Portugese. I think they live on another planet!!
Here's the link
www.mccannfiles.com/id79.html
Hiya Guys
Just popping in, as last day tomorrow. Thanks for good wishes.
Good article,China and wish the posters, on the House of hate,could have more insight, into their utter nastiness and to be more self aware.
I had to laugh, as Rosie,is accused of being Vanessa Feltz,now, as used the same term "witch hunt".
A very low standard of evidence, across the way.
24 Horas, pap paper, say they have another leak, about Jane tanner not leaving the table, so all roads lead to McCann.
Hope 24 horas, have their day, in Court too.
What a desperate apology, for a country.!
And to the members of the other blog (waves), I also read your comments about Robert Murat.
Maybe one of you can explain why Robert Murat's mother was so filled with admiration for the PJ's that she set up a booth so witnesses who were afraid of the PJ's could go to her.
Question: Why would the average person in Portugal be afraid of going to the PJ's???
Just back from shopping, pooped as usual. But had to say, China, that the Scotsman article is brilliant. Wish we could force-feed it to those whom she describes so well. Those who have to blame people for whatever misfortune befalls them and never feel the need to 'cross fingers' for themselves.
As the Pharisee (??) in the Bible said 'Thank God I am not as other men are'.
That is what I was trying to tell that idiot Bianca: that for some people to develop compassion and understanding they have first to go through a life crisis/horror of their own.
The 16th century poet John Dunne put it well 'No man is an island' ... 'Send not to ask for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee.'
Sorry about the quotes! Just shows how long that kind of attitude has been going on. We've just had our nose rubbed in it unpleasantly recently.
Tulip,China and Calcite,
Well said. I have a little quote, too.
"It is not IF you go through the fire and the water, I will be with you,but WHEN, you go through the fire and the water. "
Some people, have not had that personal suffering, yet and some have,but turn it out, on others.
We will all get it though. Fact.
I'm sure someone has already brought this up but what strikes me most about the content of the leak (as opposed to the disagraceful fact that it was made)is that it shows that Kate and Gerry were prepared to tell the police something to their own disadvantage in an attempt to help the police to find Madeleine. What guilty couple would have spontaneously given the PJ extra ammunition agsinst themselves?? It's the same kind of issue as their hanging around so long in Portugal when they could have ducked off home months earlier and kept a low profile.
tulip
YES indeed I agree with you there, they gave info against themselves to help PJ to LOOK FOR Madeleine, which in my view they stopped very very early on. Then tried to shoehorn their conclusion of guilty on to the McCanns with absolutely NO EVIDENCE.....made by bent coppers. Beggars belief.
Tulip
I totally agree and think this is an important point.
What child killer would give too much information, in this way ?
What guilty person, would hang around, in Portugal, getting in everybody's face, as was made clear to them, towards the end ?
Who would request a review of evidence and additional forensic searches and dogs ?I definitely read, in a broadsheet newspaper, that this was the case.
They have the ring of truth to me and the Portugese investigation, does not and that is why I believe them.
Melbel
EXACTLY!!!!!
;O)
Hi Jane
Just saw you there. Hope you are ok.Will have to go, as can hear the car and do not want husband to think I have been slacking.Ha Ha
This case, must be reaching a conclusion, if the three PJ,are talking to the Prosecutor person.
I cannot believe that there is any evidence, all rubbished and even the dogs, were pulled back to the car, etc.
Take care and see you later.x x x
MISS YOU ALREADY MELBEL...ENJOY!!!!
JANE
BBC news just showed the McCs returning and confirmed that the leaks were from the Portugese authorities, for the doubters across. Wave.
Though we have c..p newspapers, too, we have ones with integrity and our BBC news, is world respected.
Tulip,
When I first heard this leak, my initial thought was, well you cant say the McCanns haven't been truthful.
I would imagine, all trust must have now broken down, if I was the McCanns there is no way I would co-operate with a reconstruction now. Why should they help a process that is trying to put them behind bars.
The PJ imo, are not interested in finding Madeleine that is blatantly obvious and has been for many months, 11 to be precise!
Hi Calcite,
as you say, "could be a hoax" and probably is but:
Isn't this what we've all always been dreaming of, that someone nice saw how this little girl was left alone with her two siblings at night and decided to take action (in this case with the help of her parents' friend which I never even considered a possibility).
I don't really believe in it - but it is nice to think that the option is there.
Swedish Mum, you're having a laugh aren't you? 'someone nice' oh yes they were so 'nice' that they abducted a child from her bed, took that child away from her loving parents, caused those same parents so much heartache and anguish. For what? That she would be treated better? I don't think so. I have worked closely with families where adults have continually neglectd their children, in one instance left them alone night after night day after day, visiting only to give the eldest (8 years old) enough money for him to take the younger children to the nearest cafe for food. You know what, when we took those children away from that parent and initiated care proceedings, they were heart broken and cried continually for their mother. You see those chilren had unconditional love for their mother.
So when you say that 'someone nice' took Madeleine away from her parents don't feel upset if I say that there was nothing 'nice' at all about their actions.
Helenm,
"Swedish Mum, you're having a laugh aren't you?"
I believe that was one of the rudest things someone has ever said to me. I can assure you that I don't see anything funny about this at all. This whole story is incredibly sad and if you think I'm having a laugh you're not the upright person I thought you were.
However having said that, I would like to alter nice in my post to "nice", since that's what I meant - but you will probably try to make that into something awful as well.
Swedish Mum,
You may call me rude, I am certainly the 'upright person' you think I am, however to actually say that 'someone nice' may have taken Madeleine away from her parents is to me a trifle 'crass' as in 'indelicate'
Swedishmum,
Having a laugh, if another way of saying you cannot be serious.
It doesnt infer that you are laughing or think it is funny.
Just thought I would clarify.
Thanks Tinks, just re read and was going to clarify myself. You beat me to it.
Hey Helen,
No worries, just on my way out, catch you later :)
Thanks Tinks
Hi Calcite, that comment you mention from sky was one which was an absolute disgrace, mabey brian didnt print the wholw lot of it but it is abhorrent. I read it on the article and reported it immediately.
I went to Brian and I am deleting the previous e-mail about Brian's site as I noticed he removed it from his site. I thought it was of interest because whoever it was had the child's name in it.
Hi All,
Tory MP Stephen Dorrell, whose constituency covers the McCanns' home town of Rothley, Leics, said he would ask the Foreign Office to investigate the leaks.
I hope they are because this is a DISGRACE..They have been chipping away at this heartbroken couple for long enough and it’s time to show them up. Their bullyboy tactics might work in Portugal but NOT HERE....
As for leaving early it says it ALL….You are a disgrace…..
IMO...Elite ass*****………..
update - I was on the wrong page of Brian's site - the comment is still there (don't want to be accused of lying by the other blog). It was a human error - yes, I am human.
Mandz, way to go - glad your MP is going to have an investigation of the leaks - I think the leaks are destructive and disgusting....
CALCITE
see swedish mum has copied and pasted your post/s to Viv's site. ref Brian
Nancy now thinks cadaver and dna evidence could have been planted.
doppeld there 'nice balanced calm and thoughtful as usual' today he says. ha ha ha ha More lies.
I saw Sarah Kandy is Madeleine ref on Brian's - as sky now deleted it, obviously, but am sure they will be tracing it. Not a coherently written post, has to be said, but they will trace it.
Take care...!!!!!!
Swedish Mum,
In answer to your comments on TWS.
I did not interpret your comments as having a go at the Mccann's, nothing to do with the Mccann's. I answered solely on your comment 'someone nice'. I think it is you that has interpreted my post wrongly. We will have to agree to disagree. That is the end of it.
also see swedish mum telling lies again, saying she tried to post here re Sky and Brian's article/s on Sarah Kandy and we did not appreciate it/like it at all.
They seem to infer it means the child has been 'eaten' and it is sick. It is, sick, their minds, that is.....how crass and stupid can you get.
I suggest you take some posts by them with huge pinch of salt. Huge......!!!!! Duplicitous is a compliment.
Oh really?
show me where this happened please?
Jane, that is the inference that was meant by that disgusting post. A view shared by the moderators at sky who obviously had not read the comment before passing it for publication. The inference is not mine, but is plain to see that it comes from a strange perverted mind.The most disgusting thing i have ever read.
isis
no inference there, none intended only inference is in your mind
You are off beam with this one.
isis
the most disgusting thing I ever read was from YOUR BLOG
the open letter to Mrs Healey.
that 2345.999% insane hand delivered.
why come here? your blog too quiet?
No Jane, my reason for coming here was to tell calcite about the post she had mentioned and the meaning behind it. No stirring intended
isis
Calcite needs no ,help in reading, nor ,construing what is said, and meant from you thank you.
Jane, I meant no insult to calcite,as i mean no insult to anyone here.
good Isis
but also, how do you 'know what was in the minds' of Sky moderators?
No. come off it.
Good evening all,
I'm sorry to say that this will probably be the last post I ever make on this site.
I'm quite sure that many of you say "good riddance" but I feel kind of sad that it's not possible to have a decent conversation with people you respect but who don't share your views. In real life I have friends that don't share my views on politics etc. and that's no problem at all - but in this cyberspace it seems impossible.
Helenm,
I'm sorry if I misinterpreted your post.
JaneGT and others,
I have not once LIED on this or any other site and I'm sick and tired of you, JaneGT, claiming that I have. And by the way, I've never called you sick, I would never do that (another poster at the time you said that I did, but not me). And I think that any decent reader of this site could acknowledge that you've never seen me use the word sick concerning another human being.
I do however think that you , JaneGT, would benefit from actually reading the posts you're commenting on.
Bye all!
Jane, once people e mailed the moderators at sky the comment was taken down. The hundreds of people that e miled to complain all read it the same way and so the moderators once they saw it took it down.Im not here to argue with you Jane,nor am i here to insult anyones intelligence. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.
swedish mum
I did not say you said that, as I made clear in my post to you to clarify and advise you of your misinterpretation of my post. You misread it. Idid tel you about this at the time.
I do not care whether or not you choose to be corrected, just stick with your wrong opinion.
I have seen you today on Viv's site putting a very different complexion on what happened here, in fact, it did not happen at all, I have all posts made overnight and today. This, is called LIE.
Good bye.
isis
You cannot state that as 'fact', it is your and only your 'opinion' which you can of course hold. Just don't state it as hundreds of people 'agreeing with you' as you try to infer. You cannot claim that, you do not know that.
Enjoy your weekend too.
Swedish Mum,
I'm sure that no poster on this site would say 'good riddance' to you. It is a sorry state of affairs I agree, in the end you have to do what is right for you.
Jane - Isis also stated that there was more to the original comment than posted on Brian's site. As what I copied and pasted was on Brian's site and it was NOT the total, original comment, I thought it was more prudent to remove it.
I know that Swedishmum posted my comment on the other blog - I hope she will remove it.
It was obviously written by a sick person and there is no doubt my mind that whoever wrote it will be traced and proper action taken.
Sorry to have caused so much controversy.
I did NOT take offense Isis or Swedish mom. Thank you Isis for pointing out that this was not the complete article. I'm glad you reported this comment to the moderators.
(OK one more)
Helenm,
I believe you're the upright person I believed you to be.
Calcite,
Of course I'll remove it, if you want me to. Consider it done (I only copied and pasted it because I thought it was interesting).
Hi Everyone
I have to say this.
Swsedishmum and Isis you are welcome to post on this site, however none of us are afforded the same decency on that vile muck raking blog you both post on. the only time our names are allowed to stay up is when we are being insulted.
I haven't been around all day, in fact I haven't been around too much this last week, yet today I check my mail box and discover a mail sent to me, showing me how badly insulted I have been by someone calling them-self 'Ultraviolet'.
Yet here you two are on this site complaining about things and I note that apparently (so I have been told) that you have both been taking posts and putting them up on Viles to be ridiculed and trying to earn yourself brownie points with the vile one, although why you should do this is puzzling for grown people.
Perhaps it would be polite to show us the same respect we show you?
Hi Calcite, i didnt mean any offence,but there were huge amounts of complaints in relation to this sick comment,hundreds rightly reported it. There was some suggestion that it came from the same source that sent in a picture of a car taken during recent storms in the uk with madeleine photoshopped into the background. I appreciate your response.
Evening Rosie,i have not taken any posts from either site and posted them anywhere. I am not here to cause ant trouble ,was just responding to calcite.
No offense taken by me, Isis or Swedish mom - I did think the comment was odd (even if it was not in its entirety) on Brian's site but the fact that it mentioned supposedly Madeleine's new name. Hopefully, Brian will remove the comment.
And again, Isis I thank you for letting me know this comment was not complete and thank you Swedishmum for removing my comment.
Sorry, Rosie for causing such a disturbance on your site.
brian has no need to remove the comment from his site at all. Why on earth should he? Nothing offensive there....
He is well within his rights to keep it - as it is expressed - there, it has nothing at all offensive in it. He is trying to help - nothing more. Nothing less.
isis
sorry there. No problem.
Swedishmum
you talk of rude comments, how do you think I felt to read this written about myself? It is one of the nasties, rudest and disgisting things I have had said to me.
I can assure you and this bitch Ultravile (sic)that my children and grandchildren are fiercely loved and protected, I adore them all and they me even if I do say so myself and what is more, I have son in laws that love me too and tell me so. So I can't be that bad!
I also haven't foggiest idea what this thick headed idiot is going on about! yet I am insulted and probably quoted out of context.
ultraviolet has left a new comment on the post "MUMMY WE WERE CRYING, WHERE WERE YOU?":
this rosiepops is the one who is full of hate. imagine, to protect kate, she implies that madeleine is a liar. what sort of evil mind thinks these things? i pray she has no children of her own.
lavendula is an herb that is used here to send one to sleep. i am afraid rosiepops paranoid rubbish has this effect on me. i stopped reading it after a while as i could not understand it. it has little, or nothing, to do with madeleine
http://www.briansdreams.com/MISSING/private/5441pagecaseclosed.htm
that's him Chinadoll
off for Chinese now so got to get ready.
see you
;o)))
calcite
Please do not apologise, there is no need at all, you are a regular poster and a very valued one and are entitled to defend yourself.
We all make mistakes, please do not pay it a second thought.
Rosie, Ok, Calcite,no problem. Hope all enjoy the rest of the weekend.
China
I have no idea what is going on either!
I have been mentioned on the vile ones blog by someone calling herself Ultraviolet (ultravile more like) and it has really made me angry.
I am getting sick of the way some people on that site take things and twist them and take them all out of context, just to cause hurt and anger.
It says more about them than it does us however, that they have to cause trouble and write about something they admit they know nothing about?
Pathetic moron.
Thanks, Rosie and I hope you have a good week-end as well Isis.
And of course, I intend to keep posting.
I also hope the British police told the PJ's what they thought of all these leaks before they left to return to Portugal.
Rosiepops - you know that you are being attacked because you are strong and fair minded.
You were attacked viciously by many antis on DE - I read the comments myself.
So, Ultavile - can do her best but you've been in the trenches and survived very nicely.
You started a blog after DE closed their HYS comments on DE regarding this case. So add courageous and a fighter against a grave injustice being done to a most maligned couple to all your other qualities.
It is hard to be attacked (I remember Dr. Val) - she was attacking me continously (or so I felt) and I remember I fought back viciously.
We are here to support Madeleine and her family. Let's not forget that.
Jane - thanks for defending me. It was off topic.
I just hope that the McCanns will be able to speak up soon.
It must be so hard to be attacked when the whole world is watching and not to be able to defend yourself. And especially when it is the PJ's who are suppose to enforce the laws of the land and they are breaking their own rules. Ridiculous!
Hey, I thought Clawdia predicted that Alsabella's blog would only be off line for a couple of days. Have they run into problems?
Good Evening Ladies,
Having read back on todays posts I see we had a visit from Swedish Mum. I have always respected Swedish Mum...and her views. In the past she has never attacked anyone...be they pro or anti.
But I have to admit I have noticed a distinct change in her since she became pals with Claudia.
Perhaps Claudia's mean streak rubs off on people...who knows.
Hopefully, given time...Swedish Mum will return to being the sweet, on the fence person she always was on the DE.
I hope so.
As for Isis...I have never had any problems with her. She does not share my views on the case...but has always been polite. I respect her for that.
Calcite,
With regards to Alsabella's blog...the fact she has removed the letter she wrote to Mrs Healey....I would assume she is playing careful.
I think she will eventually return...but in her own good time.
Hi, Mum21 - glad you're on. Much ado about nothing. I noticed on the other blog, they're busy quoting 24 Horas as if it was the bible. I have a funny feeling they will be very disappointed.
Good evening ladies,
Is it safe to come out?
Mum21 - I think alsabella has returned on Vile's blog as Ana, Alsabella and I think there was another ID I wondered if it wasn't her.
I just pointed out that another of Clawdia's predictions didn't happen (thank goodness she doesn't profess to be a psychic - she would be in trouble as I don't think she has had one prediction right yet.)
Calcite,
I am certain they are going to be very disappointed...and very soon too.
Hi there
How are you doing? See it is the usual quiet Saturday - people off doing their thang! That's how it should be.
Helen
Half of you is out anyway!
Calcite,
The only thing Claudia is good at is lots of lolololololololo's and lots of :-)
Helen,
It is safe to come out if you pull your drawers up first. te he he
Chinadoll - excellent article by Joyce MacMillan.
All her points were valid.
The reaction of the everyday person to this story has been unbelievable. Blaming the parents, the display of paranoia which I think would make children prisoners, etc.. is unbelievable.
Helen, bring your bottle of wine with you and share.
Mum 21
And she must have a macro sorted out for "supporter of child neglecters" (she always writes it with the e doesn't she!)
The posters on TWS need their heads testing if they believe the story put out by the notorious 24 horas, in which they state that JT has changed her story and was telling lies about what happened that night regarding her seeing the man carrying a child. Sure, she went against the secrecy law to tell a porky! and risked imprisonment to do so. Unbelievable.
Sass..you are right...she does.
On the DX we were always told not to believe anything that was in 24 Horas. I see that when it fits in with what they believe it is fine to believe every word!
Helen,
I read in one of our newspapers (cannot remember which) that JT emerged from the interview just after the PJ left...looking totally relaxed.
So who do we believe...the British press...or 24Horas?
Sassy,
SSSSHHHH! don't let anyone know that I am asking, but what do you mean by macro? Is it something to do with computers or the cash and carry place?!!!!LOL
Mum, let me think about that one......... hmm ok British is best.
Well ladies, it's 2:00 p.m. and I have to leave to go do some shopping (groceries). I'm completely out of veggies and we're having meatloaf tonight.
Oh, yep and before I go, I really hope Kate and Gerry do not return to Portugal. This reconstruction to me is like victimizing them a second time. And 11 months after, give your head a shake. Helen, is the Tapas bar still open?
Bye Calcite,
Enjoy your shopping trip.
Helen
It's a shortcut. If you have a phrase you use all the time you just press a couple of buttons and there it is! Saves typing out the whole sentence.
Calcite - have a good shop!
Helen, macros are used when you are typing phases or closing blocks or address repectively - you can save it on your computer and by touching a key where the phase is saved it repeats it automatically - you don't have to retype it. Sass might have a better explanation. Macros can be quite complex (my opinion) and everytime there is an update on the computer, you have to either save them on a cd or redo them.
Sass - sorry i didn't see your answer. Helen, Sass answer is more concise and clearer.
Calcite, good afternoon to you.
PDL hasquietened down somewhat after Easter. Very quiet in the Baptista supermarket. Can't say personally if the Tapas bar is open but one of the daily newspapers in England reported that the Ocean Club is very quiet and the tapas bar was closed for re furbishing (I think, but don't quote me on that)
Calcite - makes no difference! Yours sounded much more technical than mine!
Hi Calcite,
Enjoy your veggie shopping.
For what it is worth, I do not think that the McCann's will return to Portugal without having their arguido status lifted.
I have sent so many emails today that I am all emailed out! (for today anyway)
Hope to see you later
Well this technophobe would just like to know what the heck you three computer nerds are one about lol
Helen
Any signs of any journos arriving for next month?
Calcite,
You're not wrong there either.
'Helen, Sass answer is more concise and clearer.'
Yours Calcite came across to me as someone speaking a foreign language for all the good I gleaned from it!!!! (only joking) don't need anyone else to take offence!!
Maybe I should use this macro for all my 'you obviously misinterpreted my post' !!!!
Rosie
We're thinking of turning this into an IT blog? What do you reckon?
Rosie,
Hubby back this week and he uses the gym at Estrala which Hugo Beaty's is a part of. I'll be able to tell you more then.
Sassy,
If you try and turn this into an IT site then we will just be as bad as TWS - talking about something that we know NOTHING about!!!ROFLO
Helen
So we'll just do what they do - use big words!
Helen, I have brought this post down again because I think it is excellent and my feelings exactly! No way was this man being altruistic, all he was doing was saving his own hide and his source and still we do not know exactly what this was all about.
He also says that he believes the McCann's are totally innocent, I wonder if the articles he writes reflect this? He also says he has a good relationship with the Kate and Gerry, I wonder if he still does.
"helenm said...
Mr Abad may put his article about the Mccann's statements down to coincidence, but his 'source' knew exactly what he was doing. Neither do I believe that he was being atruistic when he says 'appalling if police resources were wasted hunting for his source when they should be investigating Madeleine's disappearance'. His remit was to get a story and some would say by any means. His next statement says it all,
'The McCanns can't be upset,' he added.
'So much speculation and so many lies have surrounded the Madeleine McCann case and we have told the truth.'
Told the truth? Well nothing else matters does it? The fact that these statements were leaked simply to detract from the excellent initiative for a European Alert system for missing children is shameful. I agree with CM, it begs the question 'WHY?' Was it purely downright malice or something more sinister? Time will tell I suppose."
12 April 2008 09:25
Off for a while, Casualty is on and I like to pick up a few tips!! Catch you later.
Helen 21 18 PMSL!
Helen
You dont watch that do you?!
Sass them use big words? Like "commesurate?" pmsl (pity she doesn't know what it means!)
Rosie
Am certainly not saying that they understand what they say!
Helen
Have a good gawp. Pick up some tips so that if ever you should have to sew limbs back on in a hurry, you'll know what to do.
By the way, what does ROFLO stand for "Rolling On the Floor Laughing ???"
Righto I'm back. Can you see you've had your fun at my expense whilst I have been honing my nursing skills!!!!ROTFLOL.
Sassy i.e. rolling on the floor laughing out loud!!!!! oh oh oh!! ha ha ha
Rosie, know I will regret this, what is pmsl?
Helen
So before you were Rolling On the Floor Laughing Out!!!
PMSL means peeing myself laughing
Have you seen enough Casualty now to be able to help Notdoc in an emergency?
Most definitely Sassy, that's exactly what I was doing.
Rolling on the floor laughing out.........of my britches!!!!
Sassy with my 'skills' notdoc would be my assistant!!
Helen
That'd be great. So you could do the operating and Notdoc could do all the googling necessary!
Jane,
Not finished that chinese yet?
NIAS
Believe me Notdoc couldn't even be trusted to 'operate' the light switches!
Hi again Ladies,
I had company turn up.
They have gone now
Has anyone ever seen a blog called "Docmac". I came across it the other day
Helen,
I don't know. I am not up with computer slang.
Lets wait for them to tell us...if they will.
Helen
Notdoc Is A Slug!
Northern Ireland Ambulance Service
National Institute of African Studies
Slight context problem here!
(With a stethoscope)
According to Tinks anyway.
Hey Tinks "two fat ladies!"
Hi Helen.. Rosie.. Sass.. Mum..
and anyone I may have missed.
I hope you have had a good day!
Mum - We discovered a B&B type place in Inverness called Docmac.
Jane wouldn't go for a recce!
http://www.invernessonline.com/docmac/
I don't suppose that is what you mean though??
Rosiepops - a Fisher Price one
Hiya Archer
How ya doing?
Rosie
No Mail
Not In A Second!!! :¬)
Mum,
Googled docmac saw the site that Archer is referring to and also one by a doctor!!! plus one from a junior member called docmac. Whwere did he say he was from?
sass lol I read he got them fron the ELC !
(Early Learning Centre)
Same place he got his white coat from too I believe!
Mum
Please send me the link, this I have to see!
Hiya China
It's all very well regretting the leaks, what is going to happen to those that were doing the media leaks?
If we spend a couple of minutes talking about Docmac
a) it's a couple of minutes of our lives we will never get back and what a waste that would be when you think of the topic
b) it'll give Notdoc an even bigger ego
Archer.
Here is the link to the one I came across.
But it seems to be very lacking in information and has very few articles. te he he
http://www.squidoo.com/docmac
Chinadoll,
Would be interested in the link. Have you something to share with us? You certainly find us extremely interesting articles.
Didn't know that Mr Riberio was in England. Should this read Mr Rebelo?
Don't be such a spoilsport Sassy.
China,
I think the DM got something wrong in that article. Either they did..or I did.
I did not think Mr Ribeiro came to the UK.
Helen
Sorry! We can talk about your "lovely assistant"!
China
Interesting story, I too will be looking to see if more than just voicing "regret and anger" at those leaks.
The person(s) doing the leaking must be found and sacked - end of, nothing else will do now.
I hope Stephen Dorrell is a s good as his word and I have emailed at least 50 people today concerning this and I have all the names logged now so will send a follow up email, have already had a few replies which are *interesting* to say the very least!
I cant say more, but I am talking about household names here! (Daz, fairy, Domestos lol)
Good Evening Everyone,
Hope you've had a good Saturday, anything new ?
China
I was only commenting on the article.
I wasn't expecting you to know the answer.
Hello China
Wonder how the M on S learned that about Murat?
I still think something about that guy has been overlooked/ignored?
China
Not you of course! (I mean Ribeiro)
Wow Chinadoll, what was all that about?
I think all of us should watch LOST IN TRANSLATION!!!!!ROTFLOL
Right on Helen.
Off now.
Bye
Archer
me too, I do think he knows more, can't make my mind up if he is scared of the Pj or what it is, but get a definite feel that all is not what it seems there, in my opinion.
Sassy, come back, I've not finished with you yet!!!
DGYKIAT
sass
come back and help me, Helen is speaking in blocks!
Mum
Noooooooooway!!
Practicing Internal Medicine..get away......lol
Helen
what is this? DGYKIAT Excuse me if I laugh like this:
lololololol
Hello Tinks
Bye Sass x
Don't get your knickers in a twist!!!!lololol
Archer.
That is what it says.
But if you try to click on any articles on there...they are empty.
Now that does sound like docmac.
Mum
you got that right 'positively vacuous!'
China, Sass's question was rhetorical -- aimed at the PJ guy who 'regretted the leaks' Not you.
X
Hi tinks (88)
did you see my earlier post? I done so many emails today, but well worth it!
Mum
lol - I believe the word is VACUOUS, wouldn't you agree?
Rosie
SNAP.x
So apart from Ribeiro going home one day early, what about the others? are they still here or have they now returned to Portugal?
archer
crackle
JT is not 'off limits' as you would see if you had read a post of mine earlier. Why would JT speak openly about what she saw, with the threat of imprisonment for breaking the secrecy law, only to retract her statement at a later date. She broadcast on TV her statement to refute the 'LIES' she felt had been spread about her. Ask yourself why she would do this? I would be interested in your answer.
Dopple,
I will answer your question.
I honestly do NOT believe Jane Tanner has changed her story.
It was stated in several British newspapers...and on Tv that Jane Tanner emerged from a long interview looking totally relaxed.
Neither do I believe any of them requested a private jet etc to return to Portugal.
I do believe the present leaks came from the PJ...which is a totally wrong thing for them to have done.
I don't think they yet realize just what harm they have done to themselves. But they will do soon.
Did I miss something? What is the basis for the claim that all the arguidos will retain that status until August?
Hi Rosie,
Yes I did see your earlier post, lol. and Snap.
I read, admittedly in the Mirror, they all went back a day early. But irrespectively how can the man leading the investigation not complete the interviews of the Tapas 7. This would have been the first time since he took over that he would have seen them.
Speaks volumes to me!.
IMO I think the reporter from the Daily Mail got the name wrong. Is Ribeiro actually a PJ or government?
Helen,
I also think he got the name wrong. Easy to do as they both begin with R
Sorry, now I see that the August date for the arguidos comes from the Mail. What happens then? Is that the last gasp before having to open up the files?
Tinks
probably called a halt to them because ribeiro said it was a ridiculous waste of time to continue, that these people are innocent.
It will speak volumes if the McCann's are releasedf rom their arguido status and Murat is kept on his!
These leaks about JT and also about them requesting this jet is absolute complete and utter garbage and who have they come from? Must be one of them that were here in England at the time, that should narrown it down. What are the odds 3-1?
Tulip, the link given by Chinadoll mentions Murat and his arguido status:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=559297&in_page_id=1770
Mum,
I think so, but have just checked the article again and it does state his first name and says he is the Director of the Policia Judiciaria
Is it safe to come out?
Message for Doppel:
Did you get the pat on the back from Clawdia for that? You must be so proud of yourself.
It's safe Sassy, you are always dressed appropriately, unlike me. Do I need to check your k......s though?
Does anyone else find that 'man's behaviour odd - to put it politely??
I mean, children at primary school carry onlike that!
Helen
DGYKIAT
Don't Go Yet Kos I Ain't Through???
Ribeiro is the political chief of the PJ, something like our Home Secretary I think.
Did he come? I know Rebelo did because I saw a picture of him, bit do not know who else came with him.
So it was Rebelo that apologised for the leaks? He needs to do more than bloody apologise, he needs to find out who it is and sack them!
What about all the other leaks under Gonc? And all those under him?
I can see this being a political hot potato.
So Rebelo was embarrassed and flew home early? Maybe he has gone to read the riot act and to do some proper police work and discover who is leaking like this?
That must have been embarrassing while he was holed up among professional police!
It's OK - I'm wearing a nice sensible bloomer and no patent shoes!
If it is Claw doing the leaking, I hope she does nit like her job too much!
Archer,
He is not only odd...he is insane.
I have to laugh to myself....there is Viv and Clawd going on about we cannot stay away from their bog...then they go and comment on a post made on here a couple of minutes before.
So it seems they cannot stay away from here either.lololololololo :-)
waves clawd
archer
I not only find his behaviour odd, I find 'him' odd!
Mum
Bog? Freudian slip? of course I laugh like this;
lolololol
He certaily lives up to his name
Doppleganger, in folklore
They are supposed to provide advice to the person they shadow, but this advice can be misleading or malicious. They can also, in rare instances, plant ideas in their victim's mind or appear before friends and relatives, causing confusion.
Rosie,
They are all odd on that blog.
You would be hard put to find a sane one over there.
by the way I haven't even been there todsod off you silly tarts claw and Vile
Sassy,
DGYKIAT == don't get your knickers in a twist!!
Tulip, noo
Rosie
When you are on a sinking ship, you will grab onto anything...
that's what I think!
(inadequate is good too!)
Yes
Yessssssssssssss
and what a post to do it with!
Rosieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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