By Natalie Paris and agencies
Last Updated: 2:19am BST 02/04/2008
The parents of Madeleine McCann could be given access to the Portuguese police's files on them within a fortnight, one of their lawyers has said.
Rogerio Alves said the police case against the McCanns could be made public on April 14, when the official secrecy period covering the hunt for the missing girl comes to an end.
The Portuguese lawyer said this period could only be extended in major inquiries, such as those involving terrorism and organised crime.
Portuguese detectives will travel to the UK on Monday to spend the week re-interviewing the seven friends on holiday with the McCanns when Madeleine went missing.
Kate and Gerry McCann, from Rothley, Leicestershire, remain formal suspects in the case but have not been charged and deny all wrongdoing.
Clarence Mitchell, the couple's spokesman, welcomed the lawyer's comments and called for the "arguido" status to be lifted.
Mr Mitchell said: "We would hope that the police will do the decent and proper thing and open up the files.
"I would go further than that, and say once they have completed the interviews with the the friends, they should go back to Portugal and assess the evidence and eliminate Kate and Gerry and allow everyone once again to concentrate on the search for Madeleine."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/01/nmaddy101.xml
308 comments:
1 – 200 of 308 Newer› Newest»It's good to know what we can do if the malicious morons from the other blog come over here again to try and disrupt and actually I think by switching over last night we did one particular idiot a great favour.
After all doing that meant that she only totally embarrassed herself for a long time as opposed to overnight!
Sorry Helen - nicked first place!
Isn't it nice that 11 months after Madeleine disappeared, the McCanns will finally get to know what the case against them actually is.
Eleven months later will see people being reinterviewed (when they have probably forgotten half of it anyway). "Fantastic" system they've got going there!
Goodmorning sass
I have been busy with the new video
have a look !
Janet
Hi Janet
Will do!
By the way, as we had someone very unpleasant cloning a couple of our posters we went into members only mode overnight. If you send an e-mail to
nowwherearewe@yahoo.co.uk
I'll send you an invitation in case we have to do it again. Just get yourself a yahoo or hotmail throwaway address.
Will take a look at said video now!
Thanks
Hi Sass,
Thanks for the email, It's sad some people have to clone and disrupt blogs they must have really sad lives!
Re todays post...I do not believe there is any case against the McCanns' so nothing really to be learned!
Hope you all have a good day.
Hi Jojam,
I'm just popping in on Troll Patrol!.
I'm sorry to hear of your loss, may you take comfort to know we are thinking of you at this difficult time.
Take care xxx
Morning Tinks, need to keep a close eye. Just been looking at TWS and ?Rosie appears to be posting over there.
Thank you Tinkerbell43
Hi everyone! Just popping in to catch up on the goss - and again it looks as though I missed all the fun(?) last night!
It's very definitely bed time over here - 10.45pm and another working day tomorrow TGIF though!
What fabulous news that the files might be opened up for Kate and Gerry to see - at last! From what I can gather, they must open them as the case doesn't meet the criteria for prolonging the secrecy. So at last we will see just how much, or, I suspect, just how little the PJ have.
As for Christovao (?) - the man is mad! How on earth can anyone profit from a case like this one, in which an innocent child has gone missing. No human being with an ounce of empathy or compassion would surely even contemplate trying to profit from such a case, dear god what are we as a race coming too?
Anyway, the husband has just gone to bed - tired after a work jaunt to Mt Cook, nice for some! And the fire is dying down - it's pretty chilly in this neck of the woods (Antarctica is not far away - and I'm not sure how the penguins feel about being associated with the other blog!).
Will try and check in tomorrow, once the kidlets are in bed and the Friday drinkies are over. And just in case anyone from the other blog is reading - yes, some of us parents do drink - moderately - just like Kate and Gerry (alcoholics my a***!!!) And in drinking moderately we hope to teach our children to do the same and not binge drink - which is one of our countries biggest problems at present!
Anyway night night all!
Hiya Jojam, Tinks and Helen
How are you all doing.
Helen - "sorry" for nicking first post
Tinks - just paTROLLing!
Jojam - Hope you are as OK as you can be!
Kiwigirl
Take a look at the post to Dont Hurt Our Children/Janet
Same goes for you! Just send a mail!
Jojam
Re the invite - you're welcome. Glad you accepted!
Yesterday I just wanted to try it out really. It also stopped the clones disrupting things. The idea isn't to keep it like that permanently, but there are certain times when it'll certainly be useful!
Hi everyone,
We all know that you believe 100% in the Mccanns innocence and that your blog wants justice for all the family. Can I ask if this belief of innocence extends to the Mccanns friends also. Do you believe that they too are innocent of any wrong doing, or do you feel that maybe someone from the group could be involved in some way. If you feel 100% that they had no involvement it would be interesting to hear why. I think most peoples suspicions were aroused when one of the friends was absent from the table for a time, on the night maddie vanished and just wondered if any one here was feeling any suspicions at any point because I suppose it's only natural for a thought like that to run through your mind. Or do you defend the friends as much as you do Kate and Gerry.
Cheers, thanks Sass!
I just can't understand what they get out of it, although working with teenagers I can probably guess what they get out of it - anything to cause mayhem if you're not getting your own way!
Better go or I'll never get any sleep - my litle boy will be up shortly, looking for a mummy cuddle, and my daughter has also just starting waking up during the night wanting a cuddle - wonder what the great docmac would make of that...! ooh I know - I neglect them, as I work fulltime and have a the odd glass of Sav Blanc so they get my attention by waking up during the night!!! BTW A Montana Sav is good, but the Oyster Bay Sav is better!!!
Night....
Lorraine
Aren't you the Loz/Lorraine who insulted us big time on Vile's or Casa Crud's?
My gut feeling says that Madeleine was abducted by a stranger, but I wouldn't rule out a couple of the friends having something to do with it.
Bye Kiwigirl!
Have a good sleep and hope to see you tomorrow/tonight!
Hi Lorriane, if people's suspicions were aroused with O'Brien being away from the table for that length of time, then why didn't the PJ make him an arguido?
IMO everyone is innocent until proven guilty and if there is a shred of doubt then innocence must triumph. I'm looking forward to seeing what the evidence is against Kate and Gerry, as I suspect there is little if any...after all why are they still 'free' and not locked up? If you could call 'free' being holed up in your house 'free', after all when was the last time anyone actually saw Kate?
I don't know their friends, but I do know Kate, and she wouldn't knowingly surround herself with people that didn't have their best interests at heart - does anyone when they choose their firends?
Very definitely off to bed now, another 30 minutes has shot by!
Night Sass, hope you have a better day on here than yesterday!
Thanks Sass, I'm not bad everyone has been so kind & supportive. I take comfort from a poem I read a Mum's funeral..........I think it could bring comfort to anyone who is suffering a loss.
Although you are gone, I shall not say goodbye,
Although I shall not see you any more, I shall not cry.
Even though you are gone, I shall not fear,
As I know in my heart you will always be near.
I shall not say goodbye, as goodbye means the end,
And you have not left us, my mother, our friend.
For when the next time comes that I will need you,
I shall know where to look.
I shall look everywhere you are,
In the pieces of you that are left behind.
As you are here in each of us,
In different ways you have moved us all.
You have taught us, your children, to love and be kind,
And you showed all others your compassionate side.
All our memories we have of you are kind,
They’re locked in our thoughts,
Keeping you in our minds.
And as long as you are in our thoughts,
As long as there is love and kindness around,
We will think of you, our friend, our mum.
So on this sad day, I shall not say goodbye
Because you are here,
And will never go away.
So I bid you farewell, for someday,
We shall meet again.
...................................
I think Mum lives on in her children & grand children, she influenced many people throughout her life so she is still with us but in a differnt form.
Lorraine
The main point of this blog is that the McCanns shouldn't have a trial by media. It isn't up to us to judge them - that should be done by a court of law.
JoJam
That's a lovely poem and a good way of seeing your mother living on in a different form.
sass I am the same lorraine. I did give this blog a name on Alsas site but was just doing as many do here. You just give them a name in your last post to me. There are so many nutters around at the moment and i think this just entices them to stir more trouble so will try and be polite from now on. Anyway thank you for replying to my post about the friends.
Kiwigirl, yes none of us would knowingly befriend the wrong type of person but it wouldn't be the first time that a mother trusted someone with her children then regretted it.
Lorraine
Yes we do have our own names for the other blogs. However, we don't go there and get a civilised welcome then come back here and bad mouth everyone we have just been chatting to on the other blogs. I honestly don't think you will find one "comment" here like that. Whereas we have had plenty of people coming over here, having a good chat or debate then bad-mouthing us.
So yes, we have certainly become more guarded - you can hardly blame us for that - and some don't feel too kindly about the other blogs.
It's not even the difference in opinion - I have no problem with that - I have many problems with being called the malicious, spiteful names that I have been called for having a different opinion. Clawdia calls us fans of child neglect - how ridiculous - not one person here is a fan of child neglect.
Do agree with what you said about a mother entrusting her children with someone and then regretting it. Let's take Shannon Matthews' mother as an example there. As Kiwigirl says you would certainly make sure to the best of your abilities that you surrounded yourself with people who wished you no harm.
Zodiac
It isn't members only!!!!!!!!! This is proof!!!!!!!!
Sorry to the regular posters but I wanted to prove something to Zodiac.
Hi Lorraine,
As far as I am concerned, the PJ have been in possession of all Tapas statements since the end of May last year. I would have hoped, if there was the slightest suspicion concerning anyone of the 7, this would have been treated with the utmost urgency and not 11 months down the line.
This is why, imo, if there is anything at all, it is purely inconsistencies in perhaps the time lines, which I would expect. I would be more suspicious if there wasn't.
So to me, the same applies to the Tapas, innocent unless proved otherwise.
Hi Sass and anyone else posting,
Was just popping in, back to work now. See you later.
Hi Jackie ?
Best of luck with that one!
Jackie.
Why bother.........not worth your time.
Hiya Jackie/Tinks/Jojam
Just paTROLLing again! Always seem to do it the same time as Tinks!
Daily Mail reported yesterday, Murat has just had a reunion with his little girl, the first time he has seen her since being made an Arguido.
Talk about keeping it real! It was reported last year, that he "allegedly" visited her in October. Oops, maybe that visit wasn't sanctioned!
Tinks
Didn't Murat have a long period of time when he voluntarily didn't see his daughter?
Wonder what the October story was all about? More press rubbish? Or was yesterday's press rubbish? So much rubbish to choose from!!!
11 months and the PJ will show the McCann’s the so called evidence ??? What about Maddie in all of this? Where are they in FINDING HER? What other leads are they following up?
The McCann’s lawyers will have a field day with this and I hope the world gets to see exactly what this so called pathetic evidence is which in my opinion has allowed the real criminal to get away scot free with a CHILD……….
Shove the Tourist Industry…..
Mandz
You got here!
As you say, they are worried about interviewing and nothing else it would appear and have seemingly forgotten they should be looking for a little girl!
Keep it real!
Yes Sass, he did. If you believe his ex wifes story, after he allegedly asked for a divorce on New Years Eve, she never saw him for at least 6 months & according to her, that was only because he had heard rumours that she was seeing someone else.
It was also his ex wife, that allegedly said he was over last October during half term!.
Doing him a lot favours his ex-wife isn't she!
Interesting article.........
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3674900.ece
Jojam
Can you repost that with a line break after the word "europe"!
Thanks!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe
/article3674900.ece
Sass,
Is that what you mean?
Just seen the advert for the Austrian Red Cross on TV. Very well done and very thought-provoking, so I thought I would print it here. The accompanying pictures I've written in brackets.
___________________________________
Why look when you can look away? (Homeless man digging through bins)
Why speak to someone who doesn't answer? (Young woman in coma)
Or listen when someone says the same thing again and again? (An old man alone in his flat)
Why have sympathy with someone who knows no sympathy? (Neo nazi lying in pool of blood)
Why do everything for someone who has given up on himself? (A drug addict shooting up)
Why help victims who are also culprits? (Pictures of soldiers in a war zone)
Why look for something noone wants to find? (People looking for someone in a mass grave)
Why carry on where there is no hope? (Photo of a young boy in the ruins of a wrecked house)
For the love of mankind.
Here is the video of the advert.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoTnrAAPR2s
Lorraine,
How can we comment on the friends? There has been nothing much reported about the friends apart from O’Brien left the table etc and JT saw a man carrying a child away etc however nothing more on them therefore who knows but innocent until proven guilty.
As for the McCann’s well they have been in the media ever since and we got the stories on a daily basis about them from alleged PJ leaks along with journalists out to sell stories about them . The DX was a good example of this.
From what I’ve seen and what has been reported I don’t buy that they in anyway harmed their child as suggested not because I don’t think a mother is not capable but because of the whole scenario “hurt her” out for dinner got friends to lie risking prison their own children and family all in the name of the McCanns?
They found the perfect location “twice” in an unfamiliar landscape, with world wide media on them 24/7 and police and dogs and the general public and family who flew out and stayed with them 2 days after the tragedy for 3months and their PR Psychologists around them etc
Buried in Span however their friend not from the Tapes group went with them a filmed them. Are we now suggesting he is “in on it”? Come on…
The McCann’s have not been charged with anything. I’m more annoyed that this child has gone and the police do not know who took her.
Jojam
That's right! Thanks! Just so we can copy the whole link not just half!
Will have a look right now - ta muchly.
Sass,
Jojams link:-
follow europe with
/article3674900.ece
Hope it helps.
Sass, not sure I follow your reason..........The whole link I posted the first time can be easily copied........
Read it JoJam
When exactly did the McCanns give them the list of people that could clear them?
If Robert Murat is no longer considered suspicious (according to the article) why is he still an arguido?
Good article JoJam!
Jojam
Sorry, thought that because only half of it showed, only half would be copied. Sorry about that.
Yes Sass,
made it but not sure how long it will last..!
Ta Tinks
Had to do that after my "tip" on how to post links! Just ignore me and I'll go away!!! JoJam did it right the first time!
Hello everyone,
How are you all?
Is the blog open to others again?
All well ST and you? Did you see some of us were cloned yesterday – pathetic really…
Supertroll
Certainly is - otherwise you would have to have logged in before you could even see the first page.
Just going off for a cuppa...!
I was out all day, but I caught up with posts later.
There is a very annoying person around messing with the blogs.
I also saw some really revolting comments left on the vile blogs.
ST
Good afernoon everyone !
Hi invited bloggers
Just to let you know that I have a lovely grand daughter, born today and all well.
My daughter pays tribute to the NHS staff, who cared for them.
I reckon that while not perfect, as nothing is, without it, we would be snookered.
Feel really emotional and it does bring it home to me, how this family have suffered and how evil, is the person who took a child, from her bed.
Pressure is building up, on Portugese now, as can not spin this out indefinitely.
When the Mccs sue for libel, they will see any evidence, won't they, regardless of whether or not, they face charges ?
If it is quietly, dropped, they can surely, ask for the evidence, in a civil case.[I am guessing ]
Hope the Leicestershire Police, are fully appraised of the possible slur against them, by the suggestions, that there has been a leak from them, re the questions.Very unlikely, in my opinion.I think it is more desperation, from the antis.
Will copy your poem, Jojam and hope you are well, my friend.
I was sad, this birth, that I cannot tell a single member, of my birth family, as they, have now all, predeceased me, but I hope they know already !
take care.x x xBack in a few days.Anyone on TWS, or anywhere but this blog, is ot me.
Hi Meant it is not me !
This black keyboard, plays havoc, with my eyesight.
Melbel,
Congratulations.
I am really pleased for you.
Hope your daughter is well and can have a good rest.
Take care
ST
Hiya DLTHOC and Melbel
Melbel - that's brilliant news.
:-) x 25
thanks super and greetings, DNL, as I did not see her.
I will not be on, or a few days, but thanks for "defending " me on TWS, where I never post.
I see notdoc, is coming on 11th.
let us get the sandbags, out girls[weak joke]
People take everything too literally, over there ! x x x
Made up, sass and many thanks.
You take care, young lady x x x
Hi Melbel :0)
I have been thinking about you all day.
Wonderful news, congratulations to you & your family.
X for you.
x for the little one.
You too, Melbel!
Try and check your e-mails a bit later!
Hi Tinks
Really appreciate that and we are thrilled.
Thanks again and take care x x x
school run time !
I Will catch up Later !
Janet
Congratulations Melbel, Glad you like the poem.......Don't be sad.....such a happy event!
Hiya Janet
Hope to see you later!
melbel, congratulations to you and best wishes to your daughter and her beautiful new baby girl. Hope both are hapy and healthy. BuÃochas le DÃa.
Hi there Isis
How are you doing?
Hi all,
Sass you have e -mail
Melbel,
Congrats granny, same goes to your family and see I've put on my fairy outfit to sprinkle stardust to you and yours. Wish you all well.
On a more serious note.......
what are we (the posters) as chosen godparents going to call this child? Let your daughter know Melbel, that we are on the case!!! (hope we don't take as long as the PJ though!!)
Ta our 'ell!
Our 'ell
You can check yours now too!
Hi Jojam,
If you are looking in, I have just seen that totally unnecessary, spiteful attack on you, by Bianca.
I'm sorry at any time, but particularly at the moment, for you to be subjected to that abuse.
Totally uncalled for. As you said earlier, what sad, meaningless lives some of them lead.
Take care x
HelenM
I'm sure that Melbel's daughter is going to be mighty grateful for having the burden of choosing a name for her daughter taken from her!
Sassy,im good thanks,busy today....teenage daughter has ...... issues !
Isis
When I was a teenager it was called an a'i'chood problem. (attitude with south east london accent!).
Thanks sassy, it isnt her attitude thats the main problem . It is the fact that she thinks she can study by osmosis,she is not doing any schoolwork and is putting her schoolbooks under her pillow at night! She announced last night to her father and i that we have no need to worry about her education as she intends to marry well !!!
Isis
Perhaps the lessons in gravity aren't working! Shouldn't the words and knowledge be falling down into her head and not up into it!!!
Sassy, she means to absorb the knowledge by the process of osmosis or soaking it up while she sleeps !! I just dont know.
Isis
But what if the knowledge gets stuck in her pillow! It's already going uphill - it must be knackered before it gets to her head!
Just a few things to say before I go and make the most of this absolutely lovely warm sunshine.
I shall be posting for only a short time for the next few days as I am 'working' hope to resume normal service Sunday.
I will leave my crown in the safe hands of Archer who has never to my knowledge managed first post on ANY page!!!!lol(only joking Archer)
I shall deliberate well with regard to the naming of Melbel's granddaughter.
With regards to this article I think we'll find that ONLY if the arguido status is lifted OR the Mccann's are charged will the files be released. Their arguido status can run for 12months.
OK Helen See you Have fun "working" (they'll be having a field day with the "working" in speech marks on the bleugh!)
Sassy,
Saw your other e -mails, you forget I am not computer literate!!! Followed your instructions but you had disappeared!
'working' if only!!!!lol never even entered my head!
HelenM
I didn't really know what I was doing either!
Melbel I've missed you again! Anyway congratulations to you and family... hope mum and baby are doing just fine xx
Chinadoll,
Don’t know if you are around yet but read your post of last night re:Christovao character.
The more that comes out makes my blood boil. How dare he write this book and how dare he suggest Maddie case is not unexplained? How dare he not put her name to this list? What is it that he knows that we don’t? Someone should ask him to explain and DEMAND she goes on this list.
Again words cannot describe the mess this case is in… doomed from the start and who is leaking to him? As said many times before so much for the “secrecy law” In my opinion they ALL appear above the law..SICK.
Hi Everyone
Just to let you know that it was actually me posting over TWS. I tried a reasoned debate, don't know why I bothered, all I got was abuse from everyone except Gina.
I thought it would be a polite gesture after the nastiness of yesterday, to try and demonstrate to the clone that they did not get very far with their actions and that the two blogs were functioning on a polite basis.
Now why did I even try? This would have obviously taken a level of breeding and maturity that the posters on that blog simply do not have.
I got abused, I was told I make multiple posts under different IDs both on the DX and on the blogs.
And my posts, although were very polite and on topic were of course deleted. Thing is that when ever any of them venture over here, providing their posts are polite and reasonable they are left up, no matter who they are from. But again this requires a level of maturity.
The absolutely hypocritical thing was that the people accusing me of having multiple IDs have themselves been posting using multiple IDs PMSL you could not make this up really could you?
The Queen is back (long live the queen) and she herself has around 15 IDs, Alsabella/Marla/Ana, the owner of the blog has around 20 IDs apparently. Bianca is Bleinda and Zodiac is Zephyr/Zephyrlita etc, Docmac also has other IDs crusader/Libra Rising/etc, Marga is really Magarida, it just goes on and on and on.
Viv was too scared to put on members only because if she did she would loose over half her posters immediately.
Anyway I was polite just stuck to debating, soon I was accused of not answering posts (a bit difficult when 4 people were posting to you at once) once the moron Zodiac could not answer me he resorted to accusing us of getting him banned from the DX and then he has Mrs Consecutive Numbers ganged up on me and Zodiac has a lot of respect for 2345 apparently (this just gets funnier)
Somewhere down the line LGC comes on but has forgotten all about her one liners, she made this incredibly long post attacking me for nothing.
Well that was the start and the finish of my trip into the twilight zone.
Don't say that I did not try to stop all this blog wars, but some people are so eaten up with hate that they are just incapable of behaving like logical rational people.
Oh and sorry to disappoint you Arsebliar (waves) but the blog was shut for just a short time to allow us to get control and Viv/Felicity, don't preach to us about how to run out blog, as you know we have run it for Google members only for ages, you only decided to do it yesterday.
Even so Arsebliar at least we have a blog.
Well Rosie no surprises there then! Lol...
Right I'm off for a bit..
Hi Mandz
Good to see you back is your computer or server behaving itself today?
Well what they say you can judge a man by the company he keeps and this man Paulo Christovao apparently keeps some cheap company.
No wonder some of the airplane blondes know all about highway whoring! lol
This man needs investigating, he is already up for trial on serious charges and how the hell can he be allowed to profit from a book (The Star of Joana) when he is in court facing serious charges whereby if he is found guilty he could go to prison for?
Justice Portuguese style.
Something stinks there. In my opinion there could be corruption running like Brighton rock through the Portuguese authorities and children may be suffering as a result!
They were telling us how to run a blog? That's a laugh. Vile never have to bother about people actually writing anything till Arsabliar shut down shop!
Arsabliar, our blog was closed to members only overnight. Yours has been closed to absolutely everybody for a while now! ROFLMAO. Please, both of you, send your tips here on how to have a blog that works with real posters!!!!
Hysterical stuff!
Hiya Mandz
Hope you can get back on again!
see you later Mandz
Where are my manners? (Answers on a postcard please)
Hiya Rosie
How you doing?
Sass
The reason they were afraid to have their blog for Google posters only is because with all their multiple ID posters posting to themselves and answering themselves over there, is because they would loose 3/4 of their regular posters and I really have to laugh like this;
lololololololololololololololol
At the hysterical hypocrisy of them.
I wouldn't mind but the mess of that blog is unbelievable, a bit like Nanday's environment, manky and untidy, with bits and pieces all over the place.
Rosie
I'm not sure how you can muck up a blog that badly either.
I had a quick look and see that Bianca says that talking about libel is a pro thing!
I'm just gob-smacked now - nothing I see on that page,
whether pets corner, flying penguins (which are apparently deeply symbolic),
hearing 15,000 times that child negelect is bad (well, duh), hearing how rich Quackdoc is,
can surprise me anymore.
Never mind when Arsabliar comes back it'll probably be back to 20 posts a day - most of which will likely as not be Viv/Felicity.
Hi Girls,
Computer says yes so all is well for now!
Lol… pets corner sass & dirty house? Carol Smiley would do a fab job there! Maybe we should send the photo to TVs changing rooms for the bird’s sake of course….Anything to help out a bird in distress…
Bye for now...
ps thank you again for spending soo much time last night trying to help me out!
Sass,
The way I see it, Viv's blog is a complete trainwreck and mess of a blog.
It is mainly composed of the ramblings of a madwoman.
The fact that Claudia and Alsa need to go and post there makes them look very desperate and obssessive.
Since there is never any news and there are no answers there I reckon that they can't get through the day without their dose of 'ghoulishness'?
Weird obssessions
Regards
ST
Mandz
You're welcome - shame none of the tips actually worked! Glad you got back on now though!
Supertroll
I think it's such a nerve that everyone who ignored Vile before actually started posting over there as soon as Arsabliar's went down. A bigger cheek still, was to take over the blog and speak Portuguese on it.
I don't see how the pictures could be so distorted (and left there!).
They criticise us for chatting, but it's better than spending days with whacko theories imagining the worst of the worst that could have happened to Madeleine.
Why would anyone call a blog justice for "maddie" when the parents say she hated being called Maddie?
Lastly, I don't think Madeleine would thank anyone for putting all that ghoulishness and nastiness(to use your term!) out in her name!
Well put Sass,
I don't think Madeleine would like to read the things they are printing about their Mum dad, Nan and Auntie in the name of justice either.
ST
Supertroll
Read this morning some greeting from someone (maybe Niki?) to can't remember who. It was like a compulsory propaganda sentence. It went something along the lines of:
"I would like to thank you for continuing the search for truth and justice".
Who is she to thank anyone for investigating what happened to Madeleine??? Who does she think she is?? Madeleine's mum?
Rosie
Where are you? Am trying to show you something incredibly flash!
Hi everyone,
Just in and noticed this from The Times Newspaper
This is an extract only:-
From The TimesApril 3, 2008
British police ready to question 'Tapas Seven' over Madeleine disappearanceDavid Brown
British police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are to interview more than 30 people who could help to prove that her parents were not involved in her abduction.
The interviews will begin next Tuesday with the first of the seven British friends who were on holiday with the McCanns when Madeleine was reported missing in Portugal. A different couple will be interviewed each day in the presence of Portuguese detectives at the headquarters of Leicestershire Police.
The officers will concentrate on alleged inconsistencies in the timelines of events on May 3. None of the witnesses will be made arguidos (official suspects under Portuguese law) and detectives will not seize evidence or search homes.
Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, both doctors from Rothley, Leicestershire, have offered to be reinterviewed but will not be questioned.
link to full article
Hi China
Just off for a bit, but will be back!
Took them long enough, didn't it!
hi guys
Just a quick peek
MANY CONGRATULATIONS MELBEL
on birth of your grandaughter
Every good wish to all the family.
xxx
The V. site is more than a trainwreck, it has people who think nothing of posting with photos of gerry, phil, & co and even people in the electric chair with their comments beside them, totally wild and unsubstantiated.
It is more than sick. Even bile and venom make it seem like fragrant air freshener ...makes you wonder the sanity of these people and precisely where they are posting from - eg bars on windows, .....
The copying of names and avatars last night was the absolute pits. They have totally lost the plot here on every possible angle available. If this were reversed, would they put up with it? No way. Yet some of these posters from there come here expecting a 'warm welcome' and DEMAND their posts are not deleted, or if they are are shown to have been. It is not as if they are posting genuinely or even under their own names. ha ha ha. conceit and arrogance abound. ...
Welcome? for those posting there and allowing this to continue>? ... well not from me. No matter how innocuous their posts, I have seen what they say and the slant on it elsewhere, and they do NOT DEFEND THIS BLOG. so WHY TRY TO POST ON IT IF THEY CAN'T EVEN BRING TOLERATION AND BALANCE TO IT?
no. I will not allow this to bring down this blog. It has reached an all time low now.
If not, should be......
What I find interesting, is the wording in the first paragraph:-
'to interview more than 30 people who could help to prove that her parents were not involved in her abduction'
The article then goes on to say:-
'The list of people to be interviewed has been provided by Kate and Gerry McCann as part of their rights as arguidos to demand that police speak to people who could prove their innocence'
So, it would seem to me, that Portugal Minister who stated that the case was near an end, was probably inferring it was about to be wrapped up and imo the pj had no intention of coming over here to ask further questings.
It seems that the pj are coming here, at the request/demand of Kate and Gerry McCann - who are entitled to make such demands, as arguidos under Portuguese Law.
hey CHINADOLL
You are on early like me tonight. What a conincidence.
Our schools stop tomorrow, but half stopped today as teachers didn't really want them in if only one or two coming. so naturally, they are all blogging off. huh.
wouldn't happen in my day.......
How's tricks with you? I agreed with your comments last night that I saw this morning =- took hours to read through there was so much.....re Creep Cristovaio or however it is spelt. He has got away with far far too much for far far far far far too long in my definite opinion IMDO as you coined last night too. good one.
He should be reported to our press, now, so that it gets coverage ALONGSIDE his famour so alled visit on Monday and interviewing on Tuesday by PJ. and Leceistershire Police. They should be aware of the full details of the scum printed here by a suspect of torture. It could and would never happen here, and should not anywhere at all.
I think Portugal should not be in the EU at all now. They are centures behind............let them stay there, and leave it out.
beggar's belief.
CONGRATULATIONS MELBEL you lucky lady - a Grand-daughter.
Hope Mum, Baby and Grandma and family are all well.
I'll have a toast to wet babys' head tonight.
HI China,
Thanks for that info!
Strange they are not going to interview the McCann’s? Are these the people that the McCann’s have requested to be “interviewed”..?
What angers me is where is Maddie and what are they doing to find that CHILD?????
Hi Jane hun,
I got home early this afternoon and have been pottering in the garden as we have had a beautiful warm and sunny day here on the south coast.
Just the mention of that mans name, Christovoa, makes my blood boil.
The McCanns and their lawyers will be very familiar with all aspects of his underhand and unprofessional involvement in
this case and I feel sure, he will get his comeuppance.
Christovoa - you reap what you sow and your day will come.
Well, we are having the rest of last nights meal tonight, but I have a broth to finish for tomorrow, so will be in and out of the kitchen.
Hi Jane,
I agree kick them out........In my opinion this is the most disgraceful, disgusting, unprofessional and sick thing I have witnessed happen to a little girl and her parents…
China
Did not see your 19:20 post...
Off now bye.......
MANDZ
I agree. Never known anything like it.
Glad your troubles from yesterday's creep/creepess rather ..... have been overcome. What a loser. Poor Melbel who wasn't evern here, was cloned too. What a shame.
Well she'sa grandmother again, lovely grandaughter. I suppose the cloner will say he made it up...... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha#
Loser again.
I am with China this ,,Crustyvowels,, character needs his comeuppance and how. Not for the first time has he been in trouble in this area, and he should be 'outed'. The book is a disgrace, but that is only the tip of the iceberg....he is a real villain. He deserves all he gets.
Ridiculous.
Sorry, had to make an amnendment, so will cancel previous post
chinadoll said...
Hi Mandz,
Did you click on my live link and read the whole article?
It seems the pj are still following the theory of the first bungled investigation ie Madeleine is dead. Hence, I believe they are NOT looking for a live Madeleine, if at all.
It looks to me, like the pj are here, to question witnesses at the McCanns instigation, which they are entitled to insist the pj do, under Portuguese Law - in order to prove their innocence.
It looks like the tail is wagging the dog.........and that is why we are getting some action.
Hurry up pj - get your arses over here and do what you are obliged to do and interview the witnesses that Kate & Gerry McCann have ordered you to.
Get this mess cleared up, release this couple from their arguido status and do what you should have been doing all along and find Madeleine.
03 April 2008 19:28
If they were looking for Madeleine in any form it would be great IMO. As I said before, I have the feeling that they haven't been looking for a while now. They seem to be so obssessed with having someone arrested that they forget that there is a little girl out there who needs looking for.
I have just been looking at the headlines. I wonder what is going to happen to Shannon Matthews. It seems strange that she isn't even seeing her mother now that the boyfriend isn't around for a bit. They could always supervise the visit after all. Wonder what they suspect (if anything). Shannon and her mother have seen each other very briefly only twice since she was found.
Hi everyone
Good day??
Helen - I've got it,thanks :¬)) what am I supposed to do with it? LOL. I will try honest!!
Sass - it was on the BBC news at six this evening that Shannon has just spent three hours with her mother. I think this was unsupervised. I reckon if her mother wants her back, the boyfriend will have to go!
It's amazing how quickly the police have moved on all of this,don't you think?
Archer
I do indeed. I saw a list of the questions they wanted to answer about the case. Some were criticisms of the way they acted and others were more about Shannon and when she was being held.
I didn't realise it was three hours that she was with her mum. Poor little kid. She's so young and been through one awful lot. Wonder how many more "stepfathers" she is going to have. She can't have had any stability at all - stepfathers coming and going - half brothers and sisters disappearing to live with their fathers and to top it all her abduction and then being put in care!
Archer
Just realised what the crown is for! Give it your British best, won't you!
Evening All,
Not long to go now, 4 days and counting.
Sass
Thanks...between you and me - is there a post counter anywhere that I should be keeping an eye on? lol
Archer
Top of the page!
Hiya Tinks
Right - bring it on, get it over with and then get on/start looking for Madeleine!
Good Evening All.
China, what an interesting article in the Times. That puts a different perspective on the PJ's visit than is being talked about on Viv's blog.
They seem to live in a world of make believe.
If I remember correctly the anti's have been going on for a long time about the McCann's should offer to go back to Portugal if they are innocent. Now they are talking about going back they are slagging them off. Ana,(who carries the banner) has said point blank they will not be made welcome if they do.
Many of the anti's are still convinced that the McCann's will be charged next week. If the Times article is correct....they are in for a SHOCK.
We all know the Times has a good reputation for reporting the truth.....so I tend to believe what they have said.
Tinks
Hi. I think it will all be about a big fat NOTHING. I am cautiously waiting and watching too.
Hiya Mum21
I would believe the Times before I believed any of those bunch of polishers on Vile's site!
What Archer, you think it will all be about Gonc, lol.
Hi Mum
It makes you wonder what their rationale is, other that attack,attack and attack some more.
Yes, I tend to believe the Times too!
Tinks
Naughty naughty. lol...lol
You and me both, Sass.
The urge to respond to some of the filth they have to say about us is sometimes overwhelming....but I WON'T post there.
To do so would bring me down to their level....and I feel I am above that.
Surely one of them must have read the Times? Or do they just ignore what they don't want to hear?
Archer
To hide their nervousness maybe?
evening Mum21
how are you tonight?
Yes, indeed, reading China's 'Times' post, you would think it a different case altogether wouldn't you?
I hope things are now, at long last on the day we enter the 12th month of this sad case, that it is moving forwards and to a fair conclusion. That is the least we can hope.
And to the rest?. . . well time will tell. A great deal more will come out of this in years and years to come I feel.
Let's hope lessons are now learned and it never, ever happes like this again. Disgraceful and shameful. (that's my polite version of what I wanted to say really......;o))))
I notice we are still getting a lot of hits from Portugal.
Cannot stay away...can they?
Mum21
It makes you wonder what they are like in "real life" doesn't it. I reckon lots of them are total sad cases and that's why they spend all their time putting people down - makes them feel better.
Hi Jane, Hopefully lessons will be learned...especially by the PJ.
Sass, One thing I have noticed is some of them are on that blog morning, noon and night.
Makes you wonder what sort of a lonely life they lead.
Mum
They certainly can't - for people who want nothing to do with us they are sending out very mixed messages!!!
Yes...especially as they are still making comments that we are a closed shop.
They must know we are not if they have been visiting here all day.
Just a bunch of liars really.
Mum21 - I noticed that too. It doesn't seem to be a case of just popping in on troll patrol either.
Jane
Do you really think anything will be learned from this? If what we hear about the Joana Cipriano case is correct then there's not much hope of a learning process! Hardly come on in leaps and bounds have they!?
Hi Jane, hope daughter is well now.
I cannot imagine for one moment that anything like this will ever happen again. My god, its unthinkable. The damage to their reputation will take an awful long time to repair,as to tourism, well I doubt that it will ever be admitted.
I am so bloody angry! This is what that sick bloody woman has written about me? I als you is this the actions of a sane person? I think this woman has to be stopped, I have really had enough of her.
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viv said...
Hiya Wizard
Good point about their obvious state of panic. If they were so confident the McCanns are about to get cleared then why not leave their blog public so they can have a really good crow about it.
What they have done shows they are in a state of turmoil and need to discuss how they can cope with this situation, in private.
Meanwhile yesterday we had the sickest of tactics with one of them posting on here as Philomena claiming she ate Madeleine, they are so repugnant. I know this came from Rosie, is it very similar to her oft repeated claim that someone suggested Madeleine is inside a dog.. the working of a very sick mind in action.
I also notice that she?? is now posting on here several times a day in the last few days, something she always vowed she would not do. Not long ago even a link for Mark to go join them, so desperate are they for supporters.
Something big is about to happen and it is certainly not something they like!
Viv x
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This is My reply.
"Rosiepops said...
Viv or is it really Felicity? THE Felicity?
You really are a stupid cow, it was not me that said Madeleine was in a dog it was your sick poster HOPE get it right, and I did not make that sick post about Madeleine and Philomena either.
You really need to go and get a mental health check for even suggesting this
I have really had enough of you and your crazy bloody accusations this time you have gone too far.
I am going to the police and I am going to have you investigated and I am going to ask them to check if you should be using a computer because you really are a sick person and you need help. I am not havng you stalk me or make these sick posts about me anymore.
I am also going report you to Google."
Thursday, 3 April 2008 21:05:00 o'clock BST
SASS
No the Cipriano case they 'closed in' on - hoping it would never resurface..but by Gum it has. And how! No more brushing it under the carpet it is now under the microscope and not before time. Corrupt is too polite for this bunch as Mum21 implies in her post. The whole lot needs close scrutiny. They appear to have got away with so much for so long. Not any more ... certainly not.
An 'elite' force as A kept telling us, corrupt as sin underneath - from what we now hear in our most reputable papers - and as seen by those exPJ/PJ who now 'project' themselves to make fast bucks out of leaks to papers and also books on the sad children involved in cases they mismanaged. Stinks.
They have no morals to save now. No face to save. No force to save. No matter the results, they have shot themselves in all feet big time...............!!!
Rosie
Good for you! Make sure you follow up on it!
x
Good evening ladies.
Archer, you have made me very proud, love the hat!!!lol Are you any good at LURKING? You'll have to be on your guard, sly and tricky this lot!!! Watch out especially for Rosie and Christabel coming up on the rails!!
Can spare you all half an hour before I disappear.
Rosie
I well understand your anger. You have to forgive them Rosie, they are unstable. It's the only plausible explanation.
Deep breaths.xx
Just in case any of you did not see my earlier post.
I posted on there today, this morning.
I thought it would be a polite gesture after both blogs came under that clone attack yesterday, really to teach the clone that we will not be intimidated by it.
They were nice posts, polite posts and kept to the topic in hand.
I do not know why I bothered, all I got was abuse and when Zodiac found he could not answer me, I was accused of getting him banned from the Dx and posting under multiple IDs. I don't but we all know they do, Arsebliar and Viv are the biggest culprits for this! And the idiot that accused me of it has multiple IDs himself!
Can't make this stuff up really could you?
Well my posts were deleted (of course)
I really wish I had not bothered with them.
Jane
I can also imagine that they never thought the Joana Cipriano case would be questioned again! What a shock that must have been!
Hi Helen
No, I don't think I'm any good at lurking - I would fall asleep!!!
Didn't know their was a counter till a little while ago!!! It's only fair that you know how challenged I am. :¬)))
Sass, are we open again now? meant to ask earlier but have been really busy.
Rosie
As Archer said - many there seemingly unstable and IMO incredibly bitter.
I wouldn't bother trying to reason with them nor be polite although the gesture was nice!
You can just write letters of "sympathy" when Arsabliar's blog restarts and hardly anyone is posting on Vile's! She'll probably have to get her parrot as a poster to make up numbers!
Rosie
We have been open all day. If you can see the first page of the blog without logging in then we are open!
Sass
Do you think the parrot is tri-lingual? If not it had better start learning the lingo pronto!
:¬))
Archer
I'm sure it can speak moron and English already!
Hey Rosie,
Good for you. You know you have our support.
She is just eaten up with jealousy, it must be difficult for her to be so inferior, that she has to invent alter ego's.
You are genuinely liked, you stand for everything that is good, and people post here because they want to, not because another bog has shut it doors.
Should pity her really.
brilliant the sick person is now saying that she has posts where I said that Madeleine was inside a dog, GOOD because now everyone knows what a liar she is, because I do not think that Madeleine is dead so why would I write this? Everyone knows that I think Madeleine is still alive.
The person that said Madeleine was inside a dog is HOPE one of her own regular posters and if Hope has any decency she will admit she said it.
I know many people on here saw that post too.
I bet Hope is well pleased that Felicity brought that up again!
By the way someone told me that Mark55 was posting on her board and I tried to tell him where we are. Not because we are desperate for posters like Viv was before Arsebliar closed her blog.
That woman is so stupid she honestly thinks all those people are there to post on her site and does not realise as soon as the queen reopens in a flurry of drama they will all leave her and her stinking horrible disorganised filthy blog, just like her house appears. Poor parrot having to put up with that mentalist, in that tip.
Archer,
Challenged I can live with!
What I can't stomach is the filth from TWS, there appears to be a hard core of TW with her aliases, Bianca, Zodiac, Wizard and even brain washed (well it couldn't have been hard now could it?) Hope4truth!!
You can see the paranoia setting in, Bianca was believing that a post calling her a SLUG was actually from ROTB, a friend of hers! Why would you automatically think that, has she no brain cells? Hs she not realised that an anon has been cloning posters for days now. Unbelievable.
Rosie,
Was it H4T or H4Y? Up until recently H4T has always been the little lap dog. H4Y had the vicious mouth. IMO
Helen
As you say the filth on Vile's is just unbelievable. It's like a gathering of ASBO recipients!
Sass thanks for that, meant to ask how we knew.
And thanks to everyone for your support as ever it means a lot to me, you know it does.
Something Isis said yesterday that surprised me, she said that she had just finished a shift on a psychiatric unit, I took it she may be a psychiatric nurse by what she said.
My question is this, how come she hasn't sussed that Viv appears to have severe mental health problems?
Rosie,
See it for what it is, desperate measures by someone very, very desperate indeed.
Anyone of sane mind, will know you didnt write the posts she is suggesting.
It is the Hope that posts there now.
Helen
Their 'bog' is literally a meeting place of faeces. As Jane is wont to say "End of". That's it exactly! Justice for Madeleine is just a superficial heading and has no place for their real agenda. We have witness to that.
I have been astonished at the goings on, and truly understand why the McCanns had to have the protection of Clarence as their spokesperson.
Rosie
When did Hope say that about the dog?
Rosie,
Just ignore them. They are that thick they are even blaming us for the clones yesterday. They forget we had the same problem here too.
They prefer to believe we closed the blog because we were running scared.
If they were not so sick...they would be funny.
Tinks you are right of course people that read my comments will know I would not dream of saying a sick thing like that.
But have you noted the irony of it?
They say that they stand for "Justice For Madeleine", can this sick individual explain how she thinks falsely accusing someone of saying a sick thing like that, is justice for Madeleine?
They have lost sight that this is about a dear little child who is missing, how dare they sully her name in this sick obnoxious way?
Hi Mum,
Thats right, we closed our blog out of respect to our loyal posters, something they wouldn't comprehend!
All I can say is, there are a lot of villages out there missing their idiots.
Rosie
They actually say "justice for maddy". Vile actually chose a name that Madeleine didn't like one little bit-nice going Vile.
Who was it who said that they should be upgraded to simple!? Was it you Tinks?
Rosie,
They wouldn't know the word Justice if it came up and smacked them in the face. They are nothing more than pig ignorant members of a baying mob.
Rosie,
That would be Hope4truth then. She is busy denying everything.
All posters on here give you 100% support.
All we have to do Rosie is sit and wait, you reap what you sow, and boy will it come and hit them in the face.
Unfortunately amidst all this great big huge mess of an enquiry lies the fate of Madeleine. Whilst they are busy pulling the Mccann's and their friends apart and justifying everything they say by labelling them all and us child neglectors, what is being done to find Madeleine.... NOTHING. How can they live with themselves?
Yes Sass, that was one of mine :0)
Sass,
She cant even display a decent photo of the little girl for who she allegedly seeks Justice.
Goodnight folks,
Have to go.
Archer not long now. Will chck in mane.
Tinkz - it's a good one that!
Rosie
You have integrity, we all know that here - and believe it or not, some of the regular posters on TWS recognise that too. Not all of them take it in hook, line and sinker!
HELEN
BYE FOR NOW SEE YOU MANE
AS YOU SAY......
be good.
Goodnight Helen, take care xx
Oh Helen I'm scared. :¬((
Tinks, I agree. Most of her photos are really stretched and out of proportion.
Archer,
Dont want to put you under pressure, but I wouldn't like to be in your shoes if you let Helen down!
Nite Helen
And God Bless
See ya our 'ell
Mum, lol, a bit like Viles thought processes!
Tinks
Thanks for that :¬(
Does anyone else want to hold the crown for her? (weakly said)
Very well said Tinks.
You are on the ball tonight :-)
rosiepops
when targetted what do you say to us lower posters?
ignore
pass by
they can't help it
they have multi - faeces
it is show of their desparation
inferiority
stupidity
arrogance
brain and mouth and finger disengagement = major malfffffffffunction.
IGNORE IT AS IF YOU ARE RILING THEM YOU ARE WINNING.
In midst of it, you don't believe it. In cold light of day, you do.
If w were not winning why are they heremorning noon and night? the are so 'professional' as doctors, etc etc etc they are online 24.7? from what CELL OR JAIL IS THAT THEN???
Isis question - maybe she knows them personally.....as INMATES...
at times like this I wish you drank.
;o)))))))))))))))
Mum
Thanks, you are right they are thick and sick, the lot of them that post on that site are sick and I am sorry I ever attempted to try and be polite and bring an end to these blog wars.
Of course they are not up for this, I might have known, they are only in existence for hurting to grieving parents as much as possible and for hurling insults at us, they could not care less what happened to Madeleine, the only thing they care about is their contest on who can come up with the sickest killing theory to date.
Mrs Consecutive Numbers probably has the edge there, or is it Irina?
I reckon the lot of them constantly walk around thinking up the most gruesome ways of how the parents did it and how they can blame for it, it is just a game to them.
Far from feeling worried, I now know that when this PJ get here (if they ever do) it will be the beginning of the end for their arguido status.
It is sad but I believe this case is going on the shelf, in fact I think it already is, all this is just flim flam to try and show the world that Portugal are trying to do something.
They know that they stopped looking for Madeleine very early on in this investigation, now we have arguidos in the PJ involved in this case and that of Joana Cipriano. One who is ex PJ and head of a missing child organisation and he has NOT put Madeleine on this list.
It is like he is punishing Madeleine for what he thinks her parents did to her, it is sick and crazy and is very wrong, yet Portugal appear to be getting away with this, it is a disgrace.
Somehow or another we have to try and do something about this disgusting state of affairs.
What is being hidden there? In my opinion something sinister may be being hidden here.
What was that man ex PJ Paulo Christovoa doing being put in charge of a unit like this after he had left the PJ and AFTER he was charged with the serious crimes against Leonor Cipriano?
Who put him in this position and why?
Did you know that not only did he write that odious book "The Star of Madeleine" he also wrote "The Star Of Joana"?
How can he be allowed to profit from a crime he has been charged with and if convicted could go to prison for?
This whole thing is totally absurd!
Never mind the questions the PJ want to ask the McCann's (which incidentally the McCann's have said they are willing to answer!) there are many questions that need asking of the PJ.
Hey I do not really believe Helen is going we are up to 190 posts, just 10 to go and I think she is going to LURK.
You little LURKER Helen, we know what you are up to. lol
ROSIEPOPS
there are a great many more than on our blog who are convinced re 'crustyvowels' involvement and therefore others in ex and current PJ. Too close, too similar, too embarassing, too unwanted, too much hassle, too threatening for tourism, too easy to blame parents.
BUT NOT THE MCCANNS.
oh boy they picked the wrong couple, the wrong country, the wrong way of expressing 'concerns' for a child never genuinely long term looked for. A cold sore they wanted rid of, fast, no questions asked. But now, we are not only asking about Madeleine, we are asking about Joanna Cipriano and all others missing, despite the low numbers on their list, the numbers on the 'genuine' list I have from the internet which is far far far far more than they lead us to believe. Of course only 9 are missing if you only 'write 9 down' and ignore the others. ha ha ha
they think we, and the EU are as stupid as they are, and this has become world wide, so no, this problem, this little 'cold sore' will not go away.
Not a cold war.
a COLD SORE NOT TO BE SCRATCHED AWAY PORTUGAL. SHAME ON YOU.
as you are just about to find out.
HEAD WILL ROLL.
Christabel
I bet you are lurking too!
Archer,
This is not the time to be visiting the garage :0)
Jane
I understand what you are saying.
In my opinion I believe that they do not keep accurate or truthful records of child abductions in Portugal, I think the true numbers are far greater than they admit.
Here!!
Am 'mulling over' Rosie and Jane's posts.
SO THERE x
Rosie,
What the anti's cannot seem to accept is it seems from the Times article that it's the McCann's calling the shots over the questions to be asked. Not the other way around.. The McCann's offered to be questioned again...but the PJ refused their offer. It also appears they do not want Kate's diary...or Gerry's computer. So where the hell do Viv's evil followers get their information? To be honest with you..I think they make it up as they go along.
Is archer in that garage again? I bet she knows how many bricks it took to build it! LOL
Is the 'sure ' deoderant up to it?
woo woo Christabel and Helen, I bet you are getting really excited now?
Archer,
On your marks, get set........
ROTFLMao
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