Has Viv now totally lost the plot?
Captured last night on Viv's blog by pure luck. Knowing it wouldn't last we took a screenshot, the post did not last long, it was later edited and had all its content removed and finally removed this morning. We have decided to keep the identity of the poster secret.
It looks like some of the posters are not happy with the way things are being run on the blog, we have suspected this for a while, received the odd email and anonymous post, however voicing protests in this way had not been seen before. This post, even though it didn't last long, was a breath of fresh air.
Unlike Viv, we publish all comments, all theories, as long as they are not libellous, even those from Viv herself.
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 600 of 1034 Newer› Newest»Hi Mum
If it is so disgusting, why does she come back here time and time again?
Gina, the answer to your question as far as I can see is "C"....but I am not yet sure.
Rosie, because she is trying to wind us up. But it is not working.
Hi Mum,
The idiots have been leaving electronic trails all over the place all day. Did they really think we would keep publishing their drivel without a reason?
rotflmao Have you managed to stop laughing at them yet?
ST, Rosie, Mum, Gina, you have completely wasted your time with Dylan, and now claws has her claws into her again, so expect more naming the kids etc.
Anonymous said...
Hiya Claudia,
Don't worry about Gina, she thinks she is saving me as well as Rosie and STroll do :-))) I think I am their new mission in life - ahhh, how sweet of them!
Trolls always are completely transparent, however, I would go with what your plan is which will make it much more pleasant for all here.
Didn't have time to login, but it's just me, Dylan, on my usual dash in and out today! PS. my muscles seem to be ok apart from my left leg that I caught on the swimming pool wall when I went to turn. I think I am getting old :-)
Have a good eve. xx
February 19, 2009 6:17 PM
Hi Anon 22.22
we were not trying to save her, she has never managed to grasp it yet.
Dylan it is NOT you we were concerned about, it was your children, someone had to be concerned about them, after all you obviously are not and neither are those cretins you blog with.
Hi Rosie, no I have not managed to stop laughing at them yet. In fact I doubt if I will stop laughing all night.
Hi Rosie
I know what you were all trying to do but some people will never see any good in others especially those who are brainwashed and gullible. What a two faced bitch Dylan is. She came on here asking for it not to be mentioned again, people were reasonable with their responses and then she goes and brings it all up again herself on Proud of the Portuguese Jester
Hi Anon 22:34
Well what can you do, if someone comes here being reasonable, they get published and being reasonable people we try to help, why wouldn't we when children are involved?
Amazing isn't it, Dylan asked for the children thing not to be mentioned and then goes and does what she did.
Talk about dimwitted, completely taken in by the fat Claudia, whose backside just gets broader and broader.
Oh well poor victim Dylan need not bother again.
Good Evening Dylan, Needless to say name calling Claudia is at it again with no proof whatsoever. No the simple truth is this and you can like it or lump it. I was genuinely trying to help you. I know who the mole is on Viv's site and I could PROVE it to you by giving you the comments that he made when the blog was closed and with his permission would have done so if I thought it would knock some sense into you. I made a big mistake supporting you, but be warned if you come on here again as Anon A, Dylan or whoever else you decide to be, playing the injured victim I will rip your words to shreds.
Mum 21.55 What about a flower
Hi Diane, this is just like old times...a gathering of the Highway Whores.
Except for the moron "Zetta" of course.
Gina, that is a small possibility....but I put my money on a sassy pea.
And for Dylan
Your naming of your children on the open blog is not an object of sport or one upmanship on this blog. The only place where it is considered a game is in the places where you post.
It is treated very seriously here. With genuine concern for you and your children. It is extremely serious to name your children and make them identifiable on the internet but you dont seem to be able to understand that what you have done is wrong and very foolish.
Your children are precious and should not be used for the sport of others, and that is what you are allowing them to do. In fact, you are participating in that sport.
Take a look in the mirror and ask yourself why you are making fun of the posters on here, who only have a geniune concern for your children? I repeat the concern for your and your children is genuine.
Prediction 1.
Claudia and Viv will soon have a members only section that we will not be able to read.
Prediction 2. I will be throwing a celebration party when that happens
Prediction 3. They will never be sure if their members are true members or moles
Hi Diane
The sad thing is that Dylan cannot actually believe that we had real concern for her children on here and that is as a direct result of how badly she 'knows' she has been treated on that blog!
You are so right, Dylan's children have been used for some kind of sick sport and by people who say they are concerned for children?
if they were, they would have immediately advised Dylan to do the right thing, did they? Oh no, they just encouraged her to do it again and her being the dolt eagerly complied and did it.
Hi dianeh
The trouble with this internet blogging is you cannot look into a persons eyes, their window to their soul. People can pretend to be whatever, whoever, they want to be. It is usually those who are not telling the truth about themselves who refuse to believe others are genuine. But hey, who cares about wanabees who never will be.
Off to bed now. Good night all
Ha bloody ha Dylan, look what you have gone and done all by yourself, you silly cow. Everybody is talking about you and your kids again, and I sincerely hope ST comes on and joins in too, it is no more than you deserve and you can be sure that I will not try to moderate the comments, in fact for once I might even do what Claudia accuses me of an Sh.t stir, but at least I tell you up front I may do that. There is nothing underhanded about me, I thought at least you would have worked that out by now.
Off to bed now folks, carry on as you were :-)
That's for us to know and you to find out, don't ever make the mistake of thinking that we are as stupid as you.
My last message was to someone that can go fly her kite. (from her flat's balcony)
Hi Gina
Exactly! Dimwitted, but hey this is what happens to them all when the foul Claudia appears. (She must have answered the begging email -lol)
Gina, No! lol you just made me laugh, look underneath!
Gina,
No I cannot be bothered with them tonight, too much referencing to do and it has to be done!
Hi Mum & Rosie, someone mention highway whores, pmsl.
Just a flying visit, as you know I have been very busy lately!
Fancy seeing Zetta here. They just cant keep away can they!
BTW Zetta, just for the record again, the email from Forumotion was a spoof, fact! Also it was a poster by the name of LennyH that mentioned the Forum could now be shutdown, not Forumotion so you were wrong again.
I'd like to say its nice "seeing" you, but I'd be lying.
See ya!
Hi ST, sorry I missed this part of your post last night...Very interesting post Gina, I am extremely curious now.
19 February 2009 18:57
There is nothing curious really, if you look back at my original post about it 19th 10.44 I explained why a friend signed on with Viv. He has no interest at all in the things that are said on there & it is not worth me repeating what I have said since on the matter. However what you may find amusing is I know he is a he, but they think he is a she. I doubt either of us will ever bother again to use that ID to post but it is good to know that I can if I want to.
Hi Tinks
They never stop mentioning that email do they? Obviously they do not want to be too disappointed this is why they find it so hard to accept that it was a spoof.
This is what really amuses me about these people, they go to the forum and come to the blog, say how disgusting they think it is, then they spend days trying to think up an ID to apply to join the forum under, an ID we may activate, like LewisH...LarryH...LennyH etc.
If Zetta is as half as clever as she thinks she is, then she would have read the post properly on Sky and new the talk about 'forcibly closing' was the figment of the imagination of LennyH.
What I want to know is, why do we obviously bother them so much that they want to try and force us to close down?
Also it is plain because this Zetta person has mentioned it many times now, that comment moderation and the fact that she has been stopped from reading our forum, really bothers her and if the foolish dimwit finds us so disgusting, then why is she complaining that she cannot read the forum and having her comments moderated on here?
Hypocrite.
One thing they should ask themselves is why, when we could have pulled the plug on the Zitty Zetta's comments at anytime yesterday, did we let her go on digging that big old hole for herself?
There was a reason for that, also didn't she make a prize prat of herself?
She ranted out of control all day long and done everything (and more) that she accused us of doing, talk about thick!
Oh but it was so funny reading her comments, until they got tediously repetitive and boring the person herself. However, until that happned we did have a great laugh at her expense and the person who won the bet, had an even bigger laugh.lol
Morning Rosie,
Lol, yes she did rant out of control for most of the day. It was great amusement though.
I thought at one time if she wasn't careful she would need some beta blockers, that or a gob stopper lol. Do they make gob stoppers that big ?
I wonder if she will be providing the laughs again today, pmsl.
TTFN x
Very true, Zetta was allowed to say plenty yesterday and was a hypocrite but I think she has been sent by Viv to divert attention away from herself
Tinks,
I don't know, maybe she will be busy filling her pools coupon in instead?
I hope she doesn't try and pick score draws though, because she sure as hell didn't get any yesterday rotflmao
Anon,
We know who it is, this is why they were allowed the rant yesterday.
It was quite funny how, as the day progressed, she got worse, you could almost see her sitting back congratulating herself. lol
Don't bother Zetta, too busy today and you are far too boring, ever tried writing a book and putting your comments to print? They may get a government health backing, far safer to read your sleep inducing comments than take sleeping pills.You could have a pen name, I suggest, 'Mrs Mogadon'.
Rosie, I respect that you allow others to post here even if you do not agree with them. IMO Zetta was given more space than she deserved but a repeat today would be sooooooo boring. Far better allowing the space to be used by people like JJ to be given the chance to defend themselves when Viv lies about them
Absolutely Anon,
Could not agree more.
Off out now, going to IKEA, I want a floating shelf in black.
I also want some unusual wallpaper for a feature wall. My house is looking good, of course we could not afford people to come in and do it for us, so we did ourselves, but all the better for it, a real sense of achievement.
Cya BBL (Oh you wont find me on the forum or the 3 A's, if I say I am going out for a while, I mean it, unlike liar, liar Viv's pants afire!)
Anon said...... Far better allowing the space to be used by people like JJ to be given the chance to defend themselves when Viv lies about them
20 February 2009 10:08
I agree, or for Dylan to explain why she is plays the victim on here and tries to be the brave hero elsewhere. She says she is against child neglect, but she neglects to protect her children herself (on the internet) and then has the bloody cheek to take the p.ss out of people who tried to help her.
Hi Gina, to be perfectly frank with you...I have no time for Dylan at all. Apart from neglecting her childrens welfare she is a boring fa-t. Anyone prepared to become a yes, Mam..no, Mam...as Dylan is with Viv, to me is not worth even bothering with. Hope is the same...everytime Viv posts something new these two appear out of the woodwork for the sole purpose of creeping to their master (or in this case (I think) their mistress). They do not appear to be able to think for themselves.
The McCanns and national security - a 2nd update
By Jon Clements on Feb 20, 09 10:45 AM in
http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/anything-you-say/jon_clements/
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Do you think the hate machines know who else the CEOP have been watching?
I very much doubt it. But, rest assured their days are numbered and those nice online Policemen know all about them. Anyone who has said the little one was made up and plastered with make-up for some sick perverted reason better head for the hills. Why, because if they are sick enough to think nasty perverted things, they are sick enough to do nasty perverted things.
Oh and Dylan, posting your children online in the way you have.....mmmm, not a smart thing to do.
Hiya
Back now.
Mum and Gina,
I am just surprised at Dylan, I actually thought a lot more of her than this, despite what she did. I really thought she was at last seeing sense and for her children's sake would go and remove those disgraceful, 'dangerous' posts. But no, Dylan obviously thinks more of what Viv wants and thinks than she does about the safety if her own children and that at the end of the day is what it all boils down to.
Hi Mum and Rosie, I agree with both your comments re Dylan. I am so angry with the arse licking, self centre, attention seeking cow ( I think you have worked that out for yourselves!). I even risked getting my head ripped off by ST by emailing her and asking her to go easy on Dylan as the main aim was not to keep putting Dylan down, but to get her to accept everybody was genuinely trying to help her whether they like her or not.
Now I could not care less what anybody says about her. I gave my support, she threw it back in my face. Not the best decision she has ever made!!!
Tony,
The people that have been publishing the filth they have about Madeleine and her father and others that think nothing of compromising children's safety on the internet, are, I feel very soon, in for quite a shock!
Certain blogs and forums have been under surveillance for some time for their content, while libel may be a civil matter, it does actually cross over into a criminal matter when it is also seen as harassment and stalking and when because of this, children and their welfare are put at risk.
Also, all those people that thought it was a great idea to make threatening phone calls, send threatening letters through the mail and email etc etc, they need to feel very afraid as all their details are now probably known.
Rosiepops said...
Also, all those people that thought it was a great idea to make threatening phone calls, send threatening letters through the mail and email etc etc, they need to feel very afraid as all their details are now probably known.
20 February 2009 15:25
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I don't know about any of the above but one thing I do know is that I have contacts in the right places and this is a not a threat it is a promise, if Dylan doesn't remove those posts about her kids (which I have now copied)within the next week, and then come on here and apologise to everybody that has tried to help her, I WILL do something about it. You will not be hearing anymore from me on the subject, I have had enough of Dylan's cr.p
Rosie,
The police have been watching the net for sometime now.
It isn't just the foot soldier that swing into action when a child goes missing the Cyber police kick in too.
Every perverted forum/blog will have been watched from day one.
Any hint of perverse language referring to a child; rings bells as loud as Saint Paul's Cathedral bells chime for a Royal wedding.
Those bells resound in the head of any team investigating a missing child.
I will lay odds the CEOP will know more about the sickoes than they know themselves.
A warning to Dylan.....be careful they don't come knocking on your door. They have the authority to remove children if they think they are being exploited.
Tony, it is not only when a child goes missing do the police watch the net. They are constantly monitoring it for many reasons
Gina said...
Tony, it is not only when a child goes missing do the police watch the net. They are constantly monitoring it for many reasons
20 February 2009 16:25
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I know this Gina.
All those people who think by using a proxy server makes them safe from the prying eyes of the cyber cops are in need of a reality check.
How do they think paedophiles are caught?
Do they believe paedophiles don't use proxy servers and firewalls?
Tony, I have friends who have had to to just that as part of their job
Gina said I don't know about any of the above but one thing I do know is that I have contacts in the right places and this is a not a threat it is a promise, if Dylan doesn't remove those posts about her kids (which I have now copied)within the next week, and then come on here and apologise to everybody that has tried to help her, I WILL do something about it. You will not be hearing anymore from me on the subject, I have had enough of Dylan's cr.p
20 February 2009 15:54
What advice will Claudia give I wonder! "Take not notice Dylan, Gina is a liar" is my guess. It is easy to give advice like that when you are not the one taking the risk if your judgement is wrong.
Could you please let me have that, because this is one of the problems I have with you, you make some pretty fantastic assertions when there does not seem to be any support for them, just your assumptions.
This came from Viv in a reply to on of Tony Bennett's posts.
Is this not the way that you also operate Viv.
Anonymous said...
Could you please let me have that, because this is one of the problems I have with you, you make some pretty fantastic assertions when there does not seem to be any support for them, just your assumptions.
This came from Viv in a reply to on of Tony Bennett's posts.
Is this not the way that you also operate Viv.
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Well let's be brutally honest here, Viv has problems with everyone, but Viv's biggest problem, is herself!
Can I just comment on the picture of Madeleine on Viv's blog where she says "Madeleine a vey sad child", or words to that effect. Personally I don't think that Madeleine looks sad but even if she did so what. The reason why I mention this is because I have just had some photos developed of my daughter and in a few of them she is in a right old paddy. She wasn't getting her own way and took the huff because of it and doesn't look happy at all. But you know what Viv, this is life and some times our children do look sad and are sad but this is all part of growing up. I couldn't bear it if someone saw these few photos of my little girl and put it on their blog to tell the world and his friend that my daughter was unhappy/sad and insinuating that it was because she was being abused or some other such crap. This comment proves to me that Viv will try and hurt the Mccanns in any way possible.
Anon 18.39
You are absolutely correct! Normal children have many moods during one day. My grandchildren really make me laugh when they take the huff, or decided I am not answering them quickly enough, the looks on their dear little faces are a picture. Nothing wrong with this, they are just growing and learning to express themselves.
Just like if they decide not to put a coat on when you know it is too cold to go without, they soon come back and change their minds, it is called learning and it is also called allowing your children to make their own decisions sometimes and to learn by those decisions. Not forcing them into a coat, by being dictatorial and bullying! All you teach them then is how to resent you!
Eh Viv?!
Anon don't worry about her, Viv makes it all up as she goes along.
I just had an email from Vile's mole! Oh boy was that funny!
Gina,
I don't think it is the same one you know though! So that means there is at least 2!
Good Morning Rosie,
I don't know who sent you that email, it certainly was not my friend.
Viv you really are showing you pig ignorance.
Again for all to see you have taken the authors words completely out of context and tried to turn them into what you want them to say, your disappointment is showing.
You seem surprised that this would have happened? It doesn't surprise me, SOCA and CEOPS, would have monitored, I would be surprised if they did not.
Stop twisting things to suit your own sicko agenda and start worrying.
This should tell you more than anything possibly can that the garbage that you have allowed on your blog and what you have said about Kate and Gerry McCann has all been monitored and recorded and allowing someone to actually divulge their children's names and underage sexual exploits, will definitely do nothing to help you.
Sad thing is that you were told (repeatedly) about all of this and you could have done something to stop it, but you did nothing, in fact you did everything to encourage it.
All monitored...All Logged...
It does not matter a bit now if you return to your blog and start to clean it up, it was past that when you tried it before, the damage is done.
You need to feel worried and this is not a threat, it is not a promise, it is just what it is and taking this reporter's words, when he has already explicitly said:
"I have to say I'm a bit surprised that some of you think this proves that much about what happened to Madeleine, though.
From my point of view, it suggests Kate and Gerry may, I stress may, have been subjected to an unusual - perhaps unprecedented - degree of surveillance after the returned to the UK.
I'm not sure it indicates that much about what has happened to her and where she may be now."
How surprising (not) that you deliberately omit whole paragraphs like this because they do not suit your argument.
Oh just wanted to ask, notice any strange clicking on your phone?Notice any strange delay in your emails etc etc? You never know Viv, you never ever know! (Until it is too late)
There is a name for what Viv does, it is called spreading 'disinformation'.
Rosie I will tell you and anybody else who is interested this.
I am passed caring whether people think I am lying or not and have no intention of posting anything that can prove I am telling the truth.
Here are some FACTS, confirmed to me this morning.
I have no need to report Dylan, she was reported long ago. Her correct name, address etc. is known to the authorities. No action is being taken YET, cannot tell you why.
Regards Viv's site, not prepared to say much about that other than the blog owner could have removed Dylan's posts herself in order to protect Dylans children and offer guidance to Dylan. We could be here all day saying what else she could have done but I cannot be bothered. Everybody is entitled to an opinion, no body is entitled to make online accusations stating them as if they are fact without proof. Well they can if they are prepared to accept the consequences.
Hi Gina
Absolutely!
viv said...
Almost accurate reporting by The Telegraph, except, it is even worse, as we see above, the 14 texts were not received on 3 May but the night before 2 May, which again clearly suggests planning, particularly Gerry does not want to acknowledge or talk about them but from the above police report they obviously exist!
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Here we go again: So Viv thinks she reports more accurately than the telegraph does she "almost accurating reporting. No one reports accurately because no one knows.
The texts - Until you have read them yourself Viv how does it clearly suggest planning. Here's another theory for you sick mind, maybe he has another women!!!!!
As the McCanns have been back in the UK 17 months, reading this report, one would assume for 17 months they have been subjected to some of the best surveillance technology in the world? Does it occur to Viv, if anyone had anything on them wouldn't they have been arrested by now? Or are K & G that clever they have even outwitted the secret services as well?
The only thing this proves, if it proves anything at all, is that Madeleine was abducted and Kate and Gerry McCann are telling the truth.
Then we must say 'Reader Beware' because this surveillance, may never have even happened in the first place and this is something just blown up out of all proportion on the back of a letter that said nothing at all.
Hi Rosie and Gina,
I cannot even be bothered to comment on Viv's latest tactics. To be perfectly honest, when a person twists words to suit her own agenda, all it proves is she has an unhealthy wish for this couple to be found guilty. It has become MORE than an obsession with her now. The woman is SICK!
Hi mum
That's true and the Karma of what she is suggesting could come back and bite her backside! Some of things she has written as fact, are so sick and so libellous that they cross the realms of decency and actually become a criminal offence as stalking, any surveillance (if it happened) is going to pick this up too. She ought to be extremely careful!
I don't suppose brain dead Vile might have had the thought that the McCanns could have asked for this surveillance.
Why does she think everyone is as stupid as she is.
The bloody parrots got more brains.Poor buggar!
You only have to weigh up the amount of new threads she is putting up compared to the few members posting to see this has taken over her life.
Viv eats, sleeps and drinks her hatred towards Gerry McCann...and it shows.
The day I become that obsessed with blogging is the day I get rid of my computer. But then perhaps she has nothing else in life...like friends.
After umpteen threads over the last couple of days all Viv can muster is 4 comments on her blog...and they are all by her.
Below is a comment she put up last night...and it only goes to prove how fragile her mind has become. She has become a woman posessed by the devil itself.
viv said...
Anyway Clarence, if you are doing a bit of media monitoring, waves xxxxx
I will keep posting on 3 As too, just to keep you happy xxx
Friday, 20 February 2009 23:08:00 o'clock GMT
Viv, do you honestly believe Clarence gives a flying fu-k how you spend your days and nights?
If you do...then you are totally insane.
I bet the McCanns wish the same thing as I do - That they had not bothered to take a holiday. Who would have thought when Madeleine went missing it would result in not only accusations about the McCanns, but spiteful unnecessary accusations about, for example Mum21 son.
Conclusion, we have only become aware of what spiteful, sick and nasty people there are on the internet because of following this case. I guess if we lived our lives on the net we would be aware that these same people do it all the time. Today the McCanns, other innocent posters, tomorrow who knows, but they will find someone.
Enough is enough, I cannot be bothered with them anymore. I hope whoever, and I mean whoever, is/was involved in Madeleine disappearance is caught and has the book thrown at them. As for certain bloggers, no comment. If I said what I really think of them it would not be published.
Nanday, get me out of here. said...
I don't suppose brain dead Vile might have had the thought that the McCanns could have asked for this surveillance.
Why does she think everyone is as stupid as she is.
The bloody parrots got more brains.Poor buggar!
21 February 2009 13:02
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This is true, it adds a whole new concept to the saying "Bird Brain" doesn't it?
Mum
Bang on! Her hatred has taken over her life and that is very sad.
how on earth can someone become that obsessed with something that they actually want people to be found guilty of killing their own child, even though they did not? Even though the dreadful damage it could do to the twins.
Does this woman Viv, ever stop and think about the damage she is actually inflicting on the twins? How Viv's cruel and vile and untrue comments are immortalised for ever on the internet and that one day the twins are going to see the filth she and other McCann haters and those that support Viv, have been saying about their parents and sister?
Does this narcissistic woman ever stop and think of the consequences of her own actions?
I think she has a lot to answer to and one day soon she will find she has to provide those answers. She had better have some very good ones too, or she may find herself in deep doo doo!
Gina said.. (excerpt) Here's another theory for you sick mind, maybe he has another women!!!!!
21 February 2009 11:09
Oh dear Gina why didn't Viv think of that, she has tried everything else. Give it time and she will use that one too!!!!!!!
Viv is almost at 1000 posts on the 3As. Not bad for a few weeks Viv. Why don't you get a life woman, some friends, maybe a new man or even a new bloody parrot. Do something good with your spare time, you seem to have plenty of it. Please stop boring us with your C&Ps. I have stopped reading your boring blog but now have to put up with it on the 3As. Please stop boring everyone to death, pleeeease, pretty pleeeease.
Viv, 3a's, one word for you.
SURVEILLANCE!
You are all being watched!
Tick,
tock,
tick,
tock!
People who suffer the same mental disorder as Viv, don't see the things we see. They suffer tunnel vision...and nothing either side of that tunnel is visible. Their mind becomes totally absorbed with a mission...a mission to destruct. It does not matter if the target of that mission is innocent or guilty....there are no grey areas....just black.
This is a mental disease...but a very dangerous one.
MUM you are absolutely correct and we are not going to cure it.
I wish the rest who just want to "crack the case" would just go and buy themselves a game of cluedo or something.
Anon: I have gone into p.ss taking mode again, and I could write a whole p.ss taking scenario for Viv with explanations for the the national security issue, Kates bruises,why the publicity campaign etc. but that would not be fair because it would be p.ss taking out of the Mccann too as it would be totally made up. You know, in the same style of Viv!!
I'm off have a good weekend all
Nancy,Zodiac, Wizard, if you want to post with Viv it looks like you'll have to post on the 3As with her. She's there 24/7. Yes she does pop back to her own blog for several minutes a day but you will most definately be able to catch up with her on the forum she once never had any time for. Now I wonder why that is?
Anon 14.10
Viv must be finding it hard posting on the 3A's without control of the delete button, but nobody is interested in her blog anymore so she has no choice, how sad (NOT) hee hee
Can you people on here please do something to stop Viv ruining our forum on the 3As? She is making us look like laughing stocks. Some of us are now wondering just what kind of hold Viv has over Bren, it must be something, people have been banned for a lot less than this.
Justice For The 3As!
3A's member, you will have to sort that out yourself in the same way as I am having to clean up my own droppings because she is blogging all day
Anon 14.28
Maybe Bren's just having a good laugh at Viv's expense like the rest of us.
Ever thought maybe Bren IS Viv? I know this is now the rumour going around OFFline about Bren. I have no idea, personally I do not subscribe to conspiracy theories, but this one is making me think, if for no other reason than Bren seems scared of Viv.
We were just hoping that you could do something to side track Viv and give us a break for a while. Difficult I know.
Anon 14.28
It may be giving you all a good laugh but have you any idea what it is like living with, and having to talk to a bird brain. Sorry you have ruffled my feathers
Anon, Where is Viv in the pecking order? We are sick of her over here, you could say 'sick as a parrot'. Usually the mods over here are quick to route out any people like Viv, but she seems to be able to get away with anything. She is monopolising the place, cannot say anything without her sticking her oar in and upsetting everyone and attacking people because they do not agree with her and her 'bird brain' posts.
Just do not answer her posts and she will go
I usually spend Saturday afternoon over on the forum, but not today, I feel driven off. This is why I am here talking to you lot. I mean here of all places! Never thought I could have decent conversation with people on here!
Leave the parrot out of this, I think he's a very clever little parrot, he has his own laptop and an internet connection, why he can even copy and paste. His vocabulary includes PMSL, LOL and ROFLMAO, why he has even fooled his parrot friends into believing he's a parrot of the law.
All these qualities and he still shi-es all over the house. Mumsy has trained him quite well how to blog but all the poor parrot asked to learn was the way to the bog.
3A's member...did you mean posts like this one posted earlier this afternoon..that cleared the forum in seconds?
What can she expect if she will constantly copy amd paste stuff that has already been hashed over and over again.
viv Post subject: Re: McCanns Intensive Bugging and Paedophile Investigations?Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:37 pm
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It certainly sounds as though this police officer is very suspicious of Payne, his movements and refusal to answer LP questions, "I already told the PJ"..I believe OB is also very suspicious and of course, Gerry. These are the three that were cooking the timelines together before the PJ arrived. OB frequently refers to "we" when giving his own evidence which is classic suspect behaviour. He is also very angry, displaying typical victim mentality etc.
Statements regarding alleged incident - David Payne
TRANSLATED BY INES - E-MAIL
Vol. XIII, Pages 3909-3915
To: Ricard Paiva
From: DC 1756 Mike MARSHALL
Ref: David Payne
Date: October 24, 2007
Leicester Police Constabulary
Ricardo,
As requested, appended are the statements of Arul and Katherina Gaspar.
I read with curiosity the written statements given by David Payne but was not able to extricate any other information besides what is already known. He declares that he saw Madeleine, for the last time, at 17H00 on 3/5/07 in the McCann apartment. Also present there were Kate and Gerry. He did not indicate the motive for being there or what he was doing. He also cannot indicate how long he stayed.
When asked with whom he was on the afternoon of May 3rd, he declares that this information was already offered to the police and cannot remember if anyone else was there.
He does not remember what he was wearing that afternoon.
He took part in the searches, having carried out most of them alone. He was at times accompanied by Matthew Oldfield.
He did not partake in the searches realized on the 4th of May, because, on this day, he spent to majority of time in the police headquarters.
For many questions, he does not give a complete response, affirming simply that he has already given this information to the Portuguese police in his declarations.
I examined once again the declarations of Fiona Payne. In her depositions, she states that she went to the McCann apartment, around 19H00, on the 3rd of May, together with Kate. She states afterwards that, 10 minutes later, the husband arrived; it is not clear which husband she refers to.
Her responses to the questions are vague. She continued to respond to questions with ?they conform with my earlier deposition? or some similar statement.
Last Name: GASPAR
Forenames: KATHERINA ZACHARIAS
Age: +18
Date of Birth:
Address:
Postal Code:
Profession:
Telephone no.:
Date of Testimony: 16/05/2007
Number of Pages: 8
I give this declaration in relation to the McCANN family who are currently in Portugal. The McCANN family is composed of Gerry McCANN, his wife, Kate McCANN and their three children, Madeleine, age 4, and Sean and Amelie, who are twins and 3 years of age.
As is abundantly clear, Madeleine is not with her family presently, and has been missing for the last two weeks.
I will begin by explaining that I am married to Savio Gaspar and that we have two daughters. ***** is almost 3 and ***** is now one year old. I have been married to Savio for 11 years. I am a general practitioner as is my husband. I met my husband when we were (page 1) working together in Exeter, around 14 years ago.
In order to explain how we know the McCANN family, I would like to state that my husband knows Kate as they both attended Dundee University between 1987 and 1992. At that time, she was Kate HEALY. I met Kate and Gerry at their wedding, in 1998, in Liverpool. Both Savio and I went to the wedding. As Savio was Kate?s friend, we were invited to the event.
From what I know, Savio did not know Gerry before the wedding. After this time, we became friends and about three times we spent weekend vacations together. I would say that we are intimate friends of Gerry and Kate.
I remember that in 2002 or 2003, Savio and I spent the weekend with Gerry and Kate in Devon. We maintained contact with one another via telephone.
In 2002/2003 Savio and I lived Birmingham and the McCANNS in Leicester.
In September of 2005, Savio, myself and ****, who at the time was 1 and a half years old, spent our holidays abroad, in Mallorca. We went (page 2) on holidays with Kate, Gerry, and Madeleine, who should have been around 21/2 years old, and the twins, who were only months old. I remember that I was pregnant with ****.
On those holidays we also met Gerry and Kate?s friends.
There was a couple, whose names were Dave and Fiona, and whose family name was PAYNE, I think. I believe that they were married and had one daughter, 1 year old, called ****. I remember that on these holidays, Fiona was pregnant.
There was another couple, whose names were *** and ***, and whose family name I cannot remember who were also on holiday with us. They had two boys, 1 and 3 years old, whose names I do not remember. I did not know these two families until the holidays together. As I recall, I think that David organised the holidays and we all stayed together in a big house in Mallorca.
We spend a week on holidays, however, the McCANN family, and the PAYNE family stayed for two weeks. I think that **** and ****, and their two children, also stayed for only one week.
Two or three days passed in Mallorca where we relaxed (Page 3) with our children. Possibly around the fourth or fifth day abroad, I remember an incident that stayed with me. I tell this in this way, and afterwards I have thought many times about the incident that I am about to describe.
One night, on holidays, the adults?the couple aforementioned?were on a patio on the side of the house were we lodged. We had been eating and drinking.
I was seated between David and Gerry who were both speaking about Madeleine. I don?t remember the conversation in its entirety, but id did appear they were discussing a possible scenario. I remember David telling Gerry something like ?she? (referring to Madeleine) ?would she do this?.
Upon mentioning ?this?, David was sucking on one of his fingers, pushing it inside and outside his mouth, and with the other hand encircled his breast in a gyrating fashion over his shirt. This was done in a provocative manner and carried an explicit insinuation in relation to what he was doing.
I remember that I was shocked at this, and looked at Gerry, and also at Dave, to gauge their reactions. I looked around (page 4) as is saying ?did someone else hear that, or was it just me?. Silence registered in all the conversations and after, we all began conversing again.
I never spoke to anyone about this, but always felt that it was very strange and not something that should be discussed or said.
Besides this, I remember that David once again did the same thing. When I refer to this, I want to clarify that it was during a conversation in which he was talking about an imaginary situation. I do not know of what. I believe that he was talking about his own daughter, Lily, although I cannot be certain. He put one of his fingers in his mouth and slide it in and out, and with the other hand, drew a circle around his breast in a sexually provocative way. I believe that he was referring to what Lily would do.
I believe that he did this later, during the holidays, but I cannot be sure. The last time, besides this, when I was with David and Fiona was several weeks after the holidays, when Savio and I were at a restaurant with Gerry, Kate, Dave and Fiona.
I am certain that he said or that he repeated the same gestures aforementioned, but it could have occurred in a restaurant in Leicester, however (page five) I believe that it was later in Mallorca. When I heard Dave asking is ?she did this? a second time, I took it more seriously.
I remember questioning whether looked at my children or the others in a different way. I imagined that he maybe visited Internet sites related to small children. I thought that he may be interested in child pornography on the Internet.
During our holidays I was more attentive at bath time after hearing Dave saying this.
During our vacation in Mallorca, it was the parents who bathed the children. I had the tendency to walk close to the bathroom, if David was bathing his children. I remember telling Savio to be careful when he was there, in case Dave was helping bathe the children and, in particular, my daughter. I was very clear about this, as having heard him disturbed me, and did not trust him bathing **** alone.
When I heard Dave say that a second time, this reinforced what I already though in relation to his thoughts about little girls. During our stay in Mallorca, Dave and his wife, Fiona, accompanied by this daughter Lilly, took Madeleine (page 6) with them to spend the day together, and to give Kate and Gerry a bit of rest with the twins. At stating this, it is not that I was reoccupied with Madeleine?s safety, as she was also with Fiona and Lilly, along with Dave.
As already referred to, I was only with Dave and Fiona on one occasion, after Mallorca. And I have not spoken to them since this time. In these last years, we have seen each other, along with the McCANNS, on occasion. These occasions coincide with the children?s birthdays?a time when we get together.
The first time I hear the terrible news regarding the disappearance of Madeleine from the radio, my thoughts went immediately to Dave. I asked Savio if Dave was also on holidays with the McCANNs in Portugal but he did not know.
I watched TV to catch the overage of the notices and found that Dave was there. I saw him on television in the first days after the disappearance. At that, I believed that he was on holidays with the McCANNs in Portugal. Today, Thursday, the 16th of May, 2007, at 15H40, I gave DC Brewer a page containing 2 photographic images. I am going to reference these images as (ref KZG/1) (probably element) that may (page seven) be presented with my approval, if necessary. These photographs were taken during out holidays in Mallorca. In the photographs, Dave is wearing a white t-shirt and the woman in the photograph is his wife Fiona. The man that is holding the cup of wine in the photograph is *****. These photographs were taken whilst we were in Mallorca.
Signed:
TRANSLATED BY INES
Volume XIII TOC, pgs. 3892 to 3601
3816 to 3920?Witness statement of Arul Savio Gaspar 2007.05.16
Translation:
Name: Arul Savio Gaspar
Date of statement: 16-05-2007
This statement was made in relation to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
I currently work as a GP at Saint Clements Surgery, Birmingham, where I have been employed for the last nine years.
Madeleine is the daughter of Kate and Gerry McCann and we are friends of the family.
I have known Kate since 1987, when we met at Dundee Medical School, and became friends. We have remained in touch all this time and meet up 3 or 4 times a year, we often talk on the phone or email each other.
When we first became friends in 1987 she was still known as Kate Healy, this was the case until she married Gerry at the end of 1990s. Kate and I completed our medical degrees in 1992, when we each carried on with our lives, once we had begun our careers.
After I finished my degree I began my career in Exeter, and I think Kate went to Glasgow.
I only met up with Kate again in 1997 or 1998. At that moment I was married to Katherina, we had both been invited to attend Kate and Gerry?s wedding.
After their wedding we lost contact and I think they went to New Zealand.
We only met up again in 2001 in Birmingham.
The couple visited us in the house where we then living, in ******, and this was the first time I talked to Gerry.
I think that at the time Kate and Gerry were living in Queeniborough, Leicestershire.
From 2001 and 2005 we were in regular contact and often visited each other?s homes.
We planned holidays for the first week of September 2005 in Majorca, Spain, together with three other couples including Kate and Gerry. We did not know the other two couples, they were friends of Kate and Gerry?s, we had never met them before.
We all had children.
When we went on this holiday we had one daughter, ****** aged 18 months.
Kate and Gerry had 3 children, Madeleine almost two and the twins who were six months old.
The other couples were Fiona and David Payne and their daughter Lily who was one year old and **** and **** who had two boys aged three and one. I do not remember **** and *** surname nor the names of their children.
Katherine and I had booked the holiday for one week and the other two couples had booked for two weeks. We stayed together in a large villa.
We all arrived at the villa separately.
During the period we stayed at the villa I remember a gesture made by David Payne.
I do not remember the context of the conversation between David and Gerry, but I do remember seeing David use his left index finger to rub his nipple, using circular movements, whilst he put his right index finger into his mouth, touching his tongue. This happened during a meal, at the end of the day in the villa, I do not remember the time or the date, but we would usually dine between 19.30 and 21.00 every day. I think this happened in the middle of the holiday.
I remember that when I saw this gesture I immediately thought it to be in very bad taste, independently of the context of the conversation they were having. We were sitting around a white plastic table in the villa. I don?t know if anyone else saw the gesture, apart from my wife Katherina. After this gesture, we did not notice any others and as far as I know, the gesture was not repeated.
We never commented on this gesture during the rest of the holiday and I thought no more about it.
I can describe Dave as a Caucasian male 1.78 m tall, and of a medium complexion. He had brown hair and used glasses/contact lenses depending on the circumstances.
I can say that Dave was a pleasant person. I do not remember him having any unusual characteristics.
During the holidays Dave never behaved in an inappropriate manner with Madeleine or with any of the other children. Dave was popular with the children and I took this to be because he was a close friend to the family.
I never distrusted Dave. After the holidays there was one occasion when we were with Kate and Gerry and Fiona and Dave were also present.
That was in a restaurant in Leicester in 2005. I do not remember the name of the restaurant.
We had a pleasant evening, just the three couples without the children.
I do not remember Dave having behaved inappropriately on this occasion. We have not spoken to Dave or Fiona since December 2005, only due to their being friends of Kate and Gerry, not for any other reason.
The last time I saw Kate, Gerry, Madeleine, Sean and Amelie was in March 2007 when they came to our house for the first birthday celebration of my daughter *****. On the morning of 4th May Katherine saw the news about Madeleine on television. We were very shocked and worried given that they were close friends.
It was during the days following the news of the abduction that we discovered that Fiona and David Payne were also with them in Portugal.
It was at this moment that Katherina showed concern at the gesture made by Dave in Majorca in 2005. Katherina remembered that when Dave made the gesture he was referring to Madeleine.
I only remember that Katherina saw the gesture at the time, I had forgotten the episode, it was never the subject of conversation.
At the time I did not feel the gesture was referring to Madeleine.
It is my wish that the police are aware of my preoccupation with the gesture made by David Payne.
Signed. .
Mum please don't my scrolling finger's in bloody agony.
Anon. now you can understand just how the 3A members must feel. Why the hell the Admin don't ban her I honestly don't know.
Unless of course she is good at pushing the PayPal button.
Oh dear God, I can hardly stop laughing, do they actually take Viv seriously over on the 3 A's? Perhaps 3 A's member can tell us?
Viv said (excerpt)
These are the three that were cooking the timelines together before the PJ arrived. OB frequently refers to "we" when giving his own evidence which is classic suspect behaviour.
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Of course it couldn't possibly be that he was talking about his partner and himself could it? Oh no not in Viv world it can't. The use of 'we' must mean something dark and sinister and is classic behaviour of something or another.
Oh for God's sake please Viv, get a grip you pathetic twit. No wonder some of the posters from the 3 A's, are coming over here seeking solace from you!
I bet any normal person reading that will be shaking their heads in total disbelief!
Someone that did not know any better chancing across the 3 A's forum and reading this drivel, will think they are all head cases!
Sorry 3 A's member, we can't do anything to help you, but at least you will be safe from her here, if we do not feel like reading her rubbish, we do not have to print it, and reast assured, we are 'NOT' afraid of Viv!
Oh and Viv, would that little nugget I refer to in my last post be the result of your considered "legal" opinion?
You know the legal opinion about which you lied to people for month after month after month about?
Where you tried to lead everyone to think that you were a trained solicitor, when you were really only the woman who emptied the bins and polished the desks after the 'real' solicitors went off home for the night?
Go on Viv admit it, you were the office cleaner and now tell people how you really came into that money.
Liar!
Oh whoops, shall we put another Viv lie to bed?
Viv said that none of the tapas crowd searched.
....CLANGER....
According to ther very own post.
He took part in the searches, having carried out most of them alone. He was at times accompanied by Matthew Oldfield.
Liar Viv!
Mum
How many posts has she made like that today? No wonder people are complaining about her, she is taking the place over.
She'll be going into one soon when she feels ignored, or feels that people are taking the p*** out of her behind her back.
All narcissists together the four of them! lol
Well Rosie, put it this way...that thread has 19 posts of which 10 were made by Viv. After that veryyyyyyyyyyy longgggggggggg hashed copy and paste comment by Viv the few members that had been posting cleared off.
Viv said (excerpt)
These are the three that were cooking the timelines together before the PJ arrived. OB frequently refers to "we" when giving his own evidence which is classic suspect behaviour.
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Hey Rosie, be fair...after all Viv does not have the "we" in her life....she only has "I".
Is it any surprise her husband did a runner?
I am a celebrity, get me out of here PLEEEEZ
Nanday said...
I am a celebrity, get me out of here PLEEEEZ
21 February 2009 17:05
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rotflmao!
Mum
Could you imagine being harangued by Viv morning, noon and night?
Good lord, the man deserves a medal for him to have stuck around as long as he did.
I bet the poor sod's life was so bad, when he sat on the edge of the bed, he didn't know if he was getting out or getting in.
Oops sorry Mum, you said out of the 19 posts on Viv's thread 10 were made by Viv? Were the other 9 wishing that she would get writers block?
Yipeeee at last somebody has posted a comment on Viv's blog...the first today.
nancy said...
Hi Viv -
Thanks for printing the Attorney General's report on journalism - I read most of it, but I'm afraid not every word.
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Nancy's words say it all I think!
nancy said...
Hi Viv -
Thanks for printing the Attorney General's report on journalism - I read most of it, but I'm afraid not every word.
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She fell asleep zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I thought it worth repeating on the blog what I posted in the forum, for viv's sake. With regard to the article on the Mirror website and the national security and surveillance of the McCann's thing. It is clearly and blindingly obvious to anyone with half an ounce of common sense, (which rules out most anti's, and in particular, viv,) that Kate and Gerry still believe there is a chance Madeleine is still alive. That is why they are continuing every effort to find her. These efforts will encompass all resources at their disposal, from regular police, through retired police officers to private detctives. One scenario they must think about, however unpleasant, is organised paedo rings, and this is where the national security comes in, as this covers organised crime, terrorism, drug smuggling, human trafficing, illegal arms deals and of course child smuggling. If the McCann's were, or still are under surveilance, it is nothing to do with investigating THEM, as that would certainly NOT fall under the remit of 'National Security', it would be nothing more than a suspected murder case. I cannot for the life of me see how the anti's could reach the conclusion that it must be that the McCann's are themselves being investigated, because, as national security has been invoked, it clearly points to one thing, and one thing only. Organised crime, and therefore an abduction.
21 February 2009 15:38
And Viv's next volume will continue when; Napoleon takes over the earth, Puleeees!!!!
vee8
21 February 2009 18:00
You give too many too much....credit.
Cretins do not think old boy.
Vee totally agree! But hey, you know Viv, she will not allow the truth to get in the way of her lies!
Has Nancy woken up yet?
Tony, quite right, my appologies!!
viv said...
Hiya Hope
Well I don't know whether Rosie and Co are media monitors, family members or just complete nutcases but there can be no doubt that whether I am commenting on here or the 3 As they are watching every word, from about 8 am until about midnight, day in day out. If they think that is going to stop me they must have realised by now, it does just the opposite!
There is something very dark going on and when we discuss certain issues, they very predictably write more posts and become yet more abusive, if that were possible. They are not fooling anyone and what is it they personally have to hide? Why do they make the most absurd suggestion, all parents are innocent?? Guilty conscience that is what it looks like to me. Who would want to be "parented" by people who behave as they do and excuse the most appalling child abuse?
I do not think the control freak Gerry McCann thought we would get so much information either, and it has made him go very quiet, not something that comes natural to him. In fact completely ruined all his sick money making schemes out of his own little girl. Justice! We are not going to shut up!
Justice for their little girl who they did not even think was worth a babysitter!
Sunday, 22 February 2009 08:14:00 o'clock GMT
So you admit you blog morning, noon and night then Viv.
Are you honestly stupid enough to believe your words have any affect on Gerry McCann...other than to put you with all the other nutters in the nutters box.
You are right about one thing though...there is something going on...but it is not dark. Patience Viv...all will be revealed soon.
viv Post subject: Re: CLARENCE MITCHELL Leaflet ready for 6th MarchPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:47 am
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Tony, I am sorry to see you still cannot get to the point, succinctly. Verbosity can never bury the real issues even if some think it is a good tactic.
You want to maximise attendance at Clarence Mitchell's event?
He is not important, he is a failed nobody, virtually jobless who the public laugh at.
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Viv, on what factual evidence do you base your statement "He is not important, he is a failed nobody, virtually jobless who the public laugh at."?
I have seen no evidence anywhere to show "the public" laugh at him.
Perhaps you mistakenly believe you and the members of the 3A's represent "the public".
Your stupidity Viv..never fails to amuse me.
PS. I have no time for Tony Bennett..in fact I consider him to be an insult to the legal profession. But, you are no match for his quick and legally trained mind. He leaves you looking like an untrained idiot every time.
viv said...
Hiya Hope
Well I don't know whether Rosie and Co are media monitors, family members or just complete nutcases but there can be no doubt that whether I am commenting on here or the 3 As they are watching every word, from about 8 am until about midnight, day in day out. If they think that is going to stop me they must have realised by now, it does just the opposite!
There is something very dark going on and when we discuss certain issues, they very predictably write more posts and become yet more abusive, if that were possible. They are not fooling anyone and what is it they personally have to hide? Why do they make the most absurd suggestion, all parents are innocent?? Guilty conscience that is what it looks like to me. Who would want to be "parented" by people who behave as they do and excuse the most appalling child abuse?
I do not think the control freak Gerry McCann thought we would get so much information either, and it has made him go very quiet, not something that comes natural to him. In fact completely ruined all his sick money making schemes out of his own little girl. Justice! We are not going to shut up!
Justice for their little girl who they did not even think was worth a babysitter!
Sunday, 22 February 2009 08:14:00 o'clock GMT
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Oh dear more absurd nonsence from Viv. I wonder how many people she sent scuttling for their log off buttons with this utter cr*p?
She can't make her mind up...Viv said!
That is obvious Viv, you don't have to tell us, take me for example you have said I am...
A man
A psychopathic bully
A dog killer
Jon Corner
Kate McCann
Gerry McCann
Rose
Kate's Aunt
Kate's mother
Kate's mother in law
Clarence Mitchell
Phil McCann
Bonybraes
JJ
Bonnybraes (again)
JJ (again)
You have gone from stating unequivocally on your blog that Gerry is a child abuser, that he along with his friend both abused and murdered Madeleine. You said that Kate and Gerry murdered Madeleine in the apartment and then in the next breath you said that Gerry abducted her and handed her over to "others" alive. You have accused them of being fraudsters, setting this up for money and TBH I have lost count and forgotten most of the absurdities you have come out with over the past months and the only two things they have in common, is that they change all the time and skip from one absurd accusation from another and they are all lies born out of your sick and deluded mind.
So yes you not making your mind up, is the first true thing you have ever uttered. Twit.
Anonymous said...
Leave the parrot out of this, I think he's a very clever little parrot, he has his own laptop and an internet connection, why he can even copy and paste. His vocabulary includes PMSL, LOL and ROFLMAO, why he has even fooled his parrot friends into believing he's a parrot of the law.
All these qualities and he still shi-es all over the house. Mumsy has trained him quite well how to blog but all the poor parrot asked to learn was the way to the bog.
21 February 2009 15:05
WRONG AGAIN!! I never include PMSL, LOL, or ROFLMAO in my posts but I do also post as Gina. I said I had gone into p.ss taking mode BTW so I thought you could have at least worked out who Nanday is correctly. Do you ever win at Cluedo????
Viv, no one takes her seriously anymore...
Why is Bren scared of Vile?
Vile does all she can to wreck the threads of folks that stand up to her.
Yesterday she was sucking up to Tony Bennett, today she is trying to ridicule him again. Whats up Viv, Is he getting a bit more attention than you?
http://the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=28853&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=165
Mum, re your post yesterday 15.38, do you know where these statements originated from. The reason I am asking is because there has been an email going around Spain, apparently from the police warning people that some police road blocks are scams to rob them organised by Eastern block scammers. It looked extremely authentic but the local paper has now published an article advising it is a hoax and warning of the danger of not stopping if the police ask you to do so. The said we would run the risk of being forced off the road, or in extreme cases shot at. Some hoaxers have no idea the knock on effect of their sick joke.
Hi Gina, no I don't know where they came from. But Viv dug them up from somewhere. I do remember gossip about this many months ago...but that is all it was.
AYet another example of Viv pis-ing people off.
ShuBob Post subject: Re: CLARENCE MITCHELL Leaflet ready for 6th MarchPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:57 am
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Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:42 pm
Posts: 7573 "otleepseely wrote:
I do hope this thread isn't going to be ruined by the gezzabelles."
The leaflets will be handed out on 6th March.
Why has thisbeen turned into a TB basing (yet again)?
You need to ask??? These are "gezzabelles" like you rightly point out, after all
Just look at the absolute cheek shown by viv! S/he has refused to back up earlier statements but is asking for others to back up theirs???? There is a word for people like him/her but I won't spell it out so the mods don't delete this post!
Keep up the good work, Tony
Rosie 11.05
As you know I have been considering all possibilities with this case and in the beginning Viv used to post some things worth considering. However as time has gone on and she, as you point out, has gone from they killed her to Gerry carried M away alive she has only made herself look an absolute fool. She says nothing will stop her posting (I believe that) but she is only preaching to the converted because nobody will be swayed to her way of thinking now.
- Guilt by association. The liar may discount or dismiss a person she is otherwise
unable to deal with by claiming some link between that person and someone or
something undesirable.
Above is a familiar trait of a compulsive liar. Now who does this remind you of ?
Another comment from Viv where she states her OPINION as a FACT.
There is NO evidence that the McCanns are still being investigated...and neither is their ANY evidence that they are criminals.
This statement by you Viv...is libellous. (what a surprise)
viv Post subject: Re: CLARENCE MITCHELL Leaflet ready for 6th MarchPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:31 am
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My understanding is that from day one the McCanns and their friends actively sought to unleash a media circus and then Gerry McCann indicated he and Kate could not cope with that circus they unleashed. As you say Clarence was but one of the media people the government sent to assist them.
But you also seem to be arguing for the proposition that those who are accused of crime and have initially deliberately ramped up media interest then continue to need a media manipulator when they are in serious trouble with the police. That is a novel concept, but of course as criminals, kate and gerry are pretty novel. I think they probably had more than media manipulators on the team, also police and witness manipulators, in terms of the average criminal, they are a cut above. That IMO explains why the police are still at the investigation stage. It does not take so long with the Karen Matthews of this world.
Nanday get me out of here said...
Why is Bren scared of Vile?
Vile does all she can to wreck the threads of folks that stand up to her.
Yesterday she was sucking up to Tony Bennett, today she is trying to ridicule him again. Whats up Viv, Is he getting a bit more attention than you?
http://the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=28853&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=165
22 February 2009 11:11
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When I tried to warn Bren what was happening, bizarrely, Bren accused me of flattering Tony Bennett!
I just thought that comment was as absurd as Viv herself, so decided to leave it there, which I did and I now notice that what I tried to warn Bren about is now beginning to happen.
Anyone that truly knows what I stand for would know that me flattering Tony Bennett was about as likely as Viv turning out to be a real solicitor and Notdoc turning out to be a real doctor, it just 'aint gonna happen'! My flattering TB was because I took objection to Viv telling him he made a pact with the devil?! Whatever!
Anyhow it is now starting to happen, yesterday this blog was flooded with people who said they were from the 3 A's and they were all objecting to the way Viv was ruining their forum, what they expected us to do about it is a mystery. Perhaps they thought we would listen to them because they did not feel listened to on their own forum, who knows? But I do know one thing, this is how it all starts and unless the mods over there act, their forum is going to be reduced to a laughing stock with Viv at the helm, because she is a catalyst for any passing nutter to join in. Still this is for them.
I think Bren might have woken up lol.
Bren Post subject: Re: CLARENCE MITCHELL Leaflet ready for 6th MarchPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:48 am
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Location: Whenever you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth I am posting this as a member and not as admin but I am getting fed up of wading through pages of tit for tat coming from Viv and Tony and I doubt if I am the only one. Sorry but Viv, you obviously do not agree with what Tony does, but you are so insistent to keep going over old ground and it is now happening on every thread that Tony posts on or makes. You have a right not to agree Viv and we all know how you feel about what the Madeleine Foundation does, but please can you both agree to disagree for once and let the threads continue their discussion and not keep going over old ground. If it is getting tiresome for me, god knows what others feel like.
Nowhere have I read that everyone has to agree with what the Madeleine Foundation does but I think we are all adult enough to decide for ourselves whether we want to back the Foundation or not, I for one do not need telling what I should be doing. I go with my instincts and what I have read and then make an informed choice. So what if a few books get printed or leaflets handed out, people will do one of two things, put them in the bin or read and digest.
But one thing nobody is really looking at is the overall picture and you only have to go around forum world to find that there is a common purpose going on and somebody is trying their hardest to cause hassles for those that don't agree with the McCanns version of events.
Viv you used to have an excellent blog and now recently it has descended into attack Tony at every chance. Have you not thought that somebody could be playing you in these circumstances? You know it is quite easy to be swayed especially if you have people saying "you are doing good, you are right" blah blah blah. And the only people I am afraid that could and would have control of media and influence the public perception is MMU and their foot soldiers and some of them are very clever in what they do and say, never underestimate the enemy and they do not come with enemy stamped on their forehead, they come in all shapes and disguises. Even on this forum alone, there have been people that right from the beginning of this forum have posted as if they are are in the anti camp and then revealed who they are and that they were really batting for the other side.
Strange things have been happening in the anti camp of forums and blogs, power struggles, people trying to discredit people, underhand tactics on this forum alone, so who would have the power to influence this I do reckon it goes higher up than Team McCann, yes we watch the pro blogs and forums and to be honest I really think that is what they want us to do and that is monitor the pro forums and blogs while the real issue is being done on the other forums and blogs.
Somebody wants to control information, whether it be by the DVD, leaflets or books and the only people I can think of is those with a Common Purpose and those that would benefit if we all packed up and gave in. But I can see a pattern, attack the translators, cause problems between posters and then attack the forums and blogs admin and moderators, it is going on like a vicious circle. Yes we all try and get these blogs and forums that vilify us taken down, but for everyone we take down, two more appear. So I really do think that some of us have been played in the past and it has been done in a very clever manner without any of us realising what has been going on until it is too late.
As regards to the leaflet and books, I think people are intelligent enough to gather the required information and determine if the book or leaflet is correct, they don't need telling what to think.
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Rosie I do believe Bren has at last taken your advice.
Bren Post subject: Re: CLARENCE MITCHELL Leaflet ready for 6th MarchPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:48 am
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I am posting this as a member and not as admin but I am getting fed up of wading through pages of tit for tat coming from Viv and Tony and I doubt if I am the only one. Sorry but Viv, you obviously do not agree with what Tony does, but you are so insistent to keep going over old ground and it is now happening on every thread that Tony posts on or makes. You have a right not to agree Viv and we all know how you feel about what the Madeleine Foundation does, but please can you both agree to disagree for once and let the threads continue their discussion and not keep going over old ground. If it is getting tiresome for me, god knows what others feel like.
Nowhere have I read that everyone has to agree with what the Madeleine Foundation does but I think we are all adult enough to decide for ourselves whether we want to back the Foundation or not, I for one do not need telling what I should be doing. I go with my instincts and what I have read and then make an informed choice. So what if a few books get printed or leaflets handed out, people will do one of two things, put them in the bin or read and digest.
But one thing nobody is really looking at is the overall picture and you only have to go around forum world to find that there is a common purpose going on and somebody is trying their hardest to cause hassles for those that don't agree with the McCanns version of events.
Viv you used to have an excellent blog and now recently it has descended into attack Tony at every chance. Have you not thought that somebody could be playing you in these circumstances? You know it is quite easy to be swayed especially if you have people saying "you are doing good, you are right" blah blah blah. And the only people I am afraid that could and would have control of media and influence the public perception is MMU and their foot soldiers and some of them are very clever in what they do and say, never underestimate the enemy and they do not come with enemy stamped on their forehead, they come in all shapes and disguises. Even on this forum alone, there have been people that right from the beginning of this forum have posted as if they are are in the anti camp and then revealed who they are and that they were really batting for the other side.
Strange things have been happening in the anti camp of forums and blogs, power struggles, people trying to discredit people, underhand tactics on this forum alone, so who would have the power to influence this I do reckon it goes higher up than Team McCann, yes we watch the pro blogs and forums and to be honest I really think that is what they want us to do and that is monitor the pro forums and blogs while the real issue is being done on the other forums and blogs.
Somebody wants to control information, whether it be by the DVD, leaflets or books and the only people I can think of is those with a Common Purpose and those that would benefit if we all packed up and gave in. But I can see a pattern, attack the translators, cause problems between posters and then attack the forums and blogs admin and moderators, it is going on like a vicious circle. Yes we all try and get these blogs and forums that vilify us taken down, but for everyone we take down, two more appear. So I really do think that some of us have been played in the past and it has been done in a very clever manner without any of us realising what has been going on until it is too late.
As regards to the leaflet and books, I think people are intelligent enough to gather the required information and determine if the book or leaflet is correct, they don't need telling what to think.
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viv Post subject: Re: CLARENCE MITCHELL Leaflet ready for 6th MarchPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:31 am
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My understanding is that from day one the McCanns and their friends actively sought to unleash a media circus and then Gerry McCann indicated he and Kate could not cope with that circus they unleashed. As you say Clarence was but one of the media people the government sent to assist them.
But you also seem to be arguing for the proposition that those who are accused of crime and have initially deliberately ramped up media interest then continue to need a media manipulator when they are in serious trouble with the police. That is a novel concept, but of course as criminals, kate and gerry are pretty novel. I think they probably had more than media manipulators on the team, also police and witness manipulators, in terms of the average criminal, they are a cut above. That IMO explains why the police are still at the investigation stage. It does not take so long with the Karen Matthews of this world.
22 February 2009 11:46
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Needless to say these are libellous comments and they will land up on the desks of those monitoring such libellous comments.
Here is another libellous comment from part of a long post made by Viv this morning on the 3A's.
The difference between most antis and Viv is...they put IMO...Viv states her opinions as fact.
"Gerry McCanns is an egotist of the first order and feels he can control everything he wishes to control. Like a typical egotist he displays rage when he is not managing to exert that control. He stated he wanted to stay in Portugal to "control the investigation". We all saw the look on his face when he realised he had been a failure to an extent and of course he got the first plane out of there. When you look at this case and what has gone on, you realise that Gerry is an inveterate schemer who just will not quit. He cannot quit he has too much to lose. Getting people on board to help him is necessary and expedient, Clarence Mitchell comes into that category."
Aint she just up herself.
viv Post subject: Re: CLARENCE MITCHELL Leaflet ready for 6th MarchPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:06 pm
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Posts: 990 Bren, I do not need you to tell me what to think either, I am quite bright enough to know who the manipulators are !
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Bottom line is Viv just enjoys attacking someone
I found this paragraph written by Bren interesting...
Bren Said... (excerpt)
Yes we all try and get these blogs and forums that vilify us taken down, but for everyone we take down, two more appear.
Well thanks for confirming this, although we have realised what you have been trying to do for some time now.
Getting people's blogs and forums who you do not agree with with 'taken down'.
And here is me thinking at least we all had one thing in common 'free speech', seems I was wrong.
Democracy?
See what Bren says,
Does anyone think Bren Is Viv? I am beginning to!
Anonymous said...
See what Bren says,
Does anyone think Bren Is Viv? I am beginning to!
22 February 2009 12:22
Yes that is a possibility but it would mean she is now attacking herself too!!!
Viv said
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Posts: 990 Bren, I do not need you to tell me what to think either, I am quite bright enough to know who the manipulators are !
Nice one Viv go for his throat then hopefully he will cut yours
No wonder we have people from the 3 A's coming here complaining about Bren, seems democracy is not allowed on the 3 A's, unless your name is Viv!
That long winded post to Viv from Bren said nothing except, it seems that Bren is afraid of Viv, too afraid to tell her to just stop her nonsense or she will be banned, just like she would do to anyone else behaving like Viv.
I still cannot believe that Bren has admitted openly that they try to get other forums and blogs closed down who do not agree with them.
This really is a serious admission, it is flying in the face of democracy.
I told you yesterday what was happening and now the proof is out there!
Bren is allowing this to happen, until the Viv issue is sorted out, I will not be returning to the 3As forum. The whole place is descending into wreck and ruin! it has become the Viv and Tony Bennett show and I am sick of it and I know plenty of others who are too.
Bren if you are watching this, sort it out and why are you so scared of Viv?
Oh, dear...Viv is really getting into deep water now.
fft Post subject: Re: CLARENCE MITCHELL Leaflet ready for 6th MarchPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:22 pm
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"viv wrote:
Something awful is going on, Madeleine McCann is missing, or did you forget that bit?"
Don't be so insulting.
It is blindingly obvious she is still missing, this means by definition it doesn't have to be mentioned in every single post I make. Or should I be pathetic and try and derail conversation by attacking every post you have ever made that doesn't explicitly mention Maddie's name or fate. Honestly.
Anonymous said...
See what Bren says,
Does anyone think Bren Is Viv? I am beginning to!
22 February 2009 12:22
Yes that is a possibility but it would mean she is now attacking herself too!!!
22 February 2009 12:25
Could be a ploy to put other people off discovering the truth. I know the rumour that Viv is Bren has been circulating for a while now. It came about because people bean asking each other why Bren allowed Viv to get away with all that she does on the forum, people could not understand it, it has been said many times, that others get banned for a lot less. Myself have to post like this because if I posted under my name, I would get banned instantly for this, yet by comparison, look what Viv gets away with? Does it make any sense?
Bren asked Viv politely to stop the attack on Tony Bennett. Did she stop? No she is still at it. If she does not get banned now then there is something sinister going on with the 3A's admin.
Viv said...(excerpt) "Gerry McCanns is an egotist of the first order and feels he can control everything he wishes to control. Like a typical egotist he displays rage when he is not managing to exert that control. He stated he wanted to stay in Portugal to "control the investigation". We all saw the look on his face when he realised he had been a failure to an extent and of course he got the first plane out of there. When you look at this case and what has gone on, you realise that Gerry is an inveterate schemer who just will not quit. He cannot quit he has too much to lose. Getting people on board to help him is necessary and expedient, Clarence Mitchell comes into that category."
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This is just breath taking arrogance and libel, coming from Viv. are you saying that this excerpt has been taken from a post posted on the 3 A's?
And Bren says she has tried to get other forums taken down because they vilify the 3 A's?
I believe there is some misplaced logic here somewhere.
Rosie, I think it comes under the category...There is one rule for them...but a different one for us.
viv Post subject: Re: CLARENCE MITCHELL Leaflet ready for 6th MarchPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:40 pm
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My god Vile is deranged. Whats this Vile another threat?
Hi Mum,
You are correct! I know that we have objected strongly to Viv and her comments, we have objected to some comments on the 3 A's and we have objected to Tony Bennett too.
The difference being we object to their comments, we point out libel, we ask them to back their accusations up, but we do not try and get them taken down!
3A's member
This is my personal opinion. I never read the 3A's and no nothing about Bren so I am not in a position to pass judgement. For a long time now my posts have tried to say there is nothing wrong with debate but to state things as fact when the facts are not known is wrong. Viv continues to do this and that is why she gets attacked for it. It is also obvious she just enjoys attacking people for the same of it. If Bren is Viv you are flogging a dead horse. If Bren is not Viv, then if I were Bren I would just get rid of her, if for no other reason than to prove I was not Viv and loose posters.
However I am neither Viv nor Bren and neither of them think the way I do, so unfortunately it is up to the 3A's posters to sort it out for themselves as best they can. I am actually bored with it all. Viv thrives on attention and we are giving it to her one way or another. She needs to have her life support machine turned off
A correction to my previous comment. I meant try to get their forum or blogs taken down. I have hoped they would be, yes this is true, but never actively done anything to get them closed!
Rosie said
The difference being we object to their comments, we point out libel, we ask them to back their accusations up, but we do not try and get them taken down!
22 February 2009 12:54
Correct, I totally agree
Mum
I think Viv is imploding on the 3 A's, this is what we warned would happen, now it is started, I wonder if you and I will get the blame for it?
How long will it be before Viv turns around and tries to blame us for the aggro she is causing on there today?
I think Viv should be charged with "abandonment". She has abandoned her blog and "loyal" posters and has abandoned me too. Sod her I'm off to the bird sanctury. TTFN
ShuBob Post subject: Re: CLARENCE MITCHELL Leaflet ready for 6th MarchPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 1:22 pm
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Posts: 7574 What does viv bring to this forum apart from disruption? WHAT?
Well said Shubob, thats all she does wherever she goes, just a shit stirrer with an ego.
ShuBob Post subject: Re: CLARENCE MITCHELL Leaflet ready for 6th MarchPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 1:22 pm
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Posts: 7574 What does viv bring to this forum apart from disruption? WHAT?
Hatred Shubob. She takes it wherever she goes.
A post made by Bren today:
Maybe Viv, but this constant going over old ground is not doing you any favours IMO. Going back to my post, do you not think that the McCanns knew from early on that all these things would be produced in a DVD? They had Portuguese lawyers they would have known how the system works and that files are made public. I am sorry Viv, but no matter how much you want to dismiss it, a lot of hassle has been caused since the release of the DVD between forums and blogs. The McCanns entourage have had a long time to lay foundations, gain friendships and trust and confidences among the forums and bloggers world to create enough hassle between people to eventually try and discredit people in order that this information is kept behind closed doors. Of all the forums around we are the only one that is allowing the information out publicly without people having to sign up to read.
I am afraid to say this forum, Tony Bennett and his leaflets and booklets are a danger to the Team, because they know even if only a few people read his leaflet or books and find their way here, the DVD information is available for them to read and digest and to start questioning what they previously thought.
It is only when you start looking at the whole picture that you see the patterns and what they want to distract you from. I am afraid to say my opinion is that the DVD is more damning than many people think. For a start the 48 questions are on there, questions that a mother refused to answer.
And also we have the Rogatory interviews which are being gone over and over again and the inconsistencies are being found and also how bad it makes certain people look because these inconsistencies were never picked up on and these people hauled back in for proper questioning under caution.
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Well Bren...that is your honest opinion. But I am afraid it is not mine. It does not matter how much you or anyone blogs about this case...it will not make any difference to the outcome. We are online bloggers..nothing more and nothing less. As for the files on DVD...we have all seen them and read them...and there is nothing on them that points to evidence of guilt. You mention the 48 questions that Kate refused to answer...well, to be honest with you in my opinion there was nothing in those 48 questions that had they been answered...would shed any light on what happened to Madeleine.
You see, with those DVD's it is down to the frame of mind of the reader how they interprite the contents. If, like Viv you have convinced yourself that Kate and Gerry are guilty of harming their daughter...then the DVD's will appear to back your theory up. But if you are like me and your opinion is Kate and Gerry did not harm Madeleine...then the DVD files will appear to back up my beliefs too.
So in a nutshell...they tell you nothing to prove innocence or guilt.
Bren, your forum is NOT a threat to the McCann's...a nuisance, yes...but a threat, NO.
At the end of the day a forum is just a forum...be it anti or pro. We are not the police, and neither do we have the knowledge of the police. All we have is opinions...and opinions do not stand up in a court of law.(Not even Viv's)
Bren has just stopped some posters posting personal info about themselves. So I think you have your answer that Viv/Bren are not one. Viv just lets people post anything personal including their kids names and.... well you know the rest.
Well done Bren.
Nanday said...
I think Viv should be charged with "abandonment". She has abandoned her blog and "loyal" posters and has abandoned me too. Sod her I'm off to the bird sanctury. TTFN
22 February 2009 13:13
ROTFLMAO!
BILLY LIAR SAID
Also, if you have a look at my blog, you will actually find that Tony hardly ever gets a mention! As far as looking at the situation holistically I believe you know that is very much what I do and I do not consider my own blog the be all and end all of everything, it is just another means. Of course there have been people on there who have sought to destroy that and cause trouble and to an extent they have succeeded but I would not let that stop me from speaking out on this case.
Viv you alone are responsible for the state your blog is in. You had some decent posters on there who have stuck up for you for so long but in the end you disposed of them at your whim, without reason, either by banning them or allowing them to be bullied out.
What goes around comes around darling. Enjoy it all.
I see they have dragged Clawd out of the cupboard.
It amazes me how she doesn't show up on who's on line though mmm!
Mum 13. 56
Absolutely correct. I would add, if Bren thinks these DVD's etc are so damning, why are the McCanns not behind bars?
It is not a secret that the PJ wanted to find the McCanns guilty so badly, it would have suited them and retrieved the PJ from the accusations of corruption, blundering and perverting the course of justice, so why are they still free?
Fact...NO EVIDENCE!
No evidence end of.
Buy the way, this may be just me, but is Bren starting to sound a little paranoid? She seems to think there is some kind of conspiracy being plotted to stop her and her friends from talking abut what they believe.
Is Bren going to be the next casualty of this astonishing internet war about one small little girl?
Anonymous said...
I see they have dragged Clawd out of the cupboard.
It amazes me how she doesn't show up on who's on line though mmm!
22 February 2009 14:17
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Viv has probably summoned her to come and help her.
Does that forum know that they are now the laughing stock of the internet?
They have Viv to thank for that!
It really gets to me how Bren has allowed this to happen because Bren knew best. We warned her, she refused to listen, now look! Ruined!
Dearie me, she's even quoting from the Sunday Star now. Desperation comes to mind.
Tony Bennett Post subject: Re: CLARENCE MITCHELL Leaflet ready for 6th MarchPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:06 am
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Location: Harlow, Essex bugalugs1970 wrote:
Tony, Will you be forwarding several leaflets to the hosts before the 6th March?
No, that's not our intention.
We plan at least one distribution in Oxford prior to 6th March.
We also plan to leaflet outside the Oxford Union meeting on the evening of 6th March.
We have also sent a copy to the Oxford University Students Union (NOTE: NOT the same as the Oxford Union) to ask for their help in leaflet distribution. However, since their normal rates are £1,056 for leafletting all Oxford University's 10,000 students [the big firms and companies use them for sending out recruitment literature], I doubt if we will reach agreement on price.
Apart from that, the leaflet has only been sent so far to Madeleine Foundation members and supporters
My question is this, when are the authorities going to do something about this racist bastard, who preys on vulnerable people at the lowest points in their lives?
Claudia79 Post subject: Re: CLARENCE MITCHELL Leaflet ready for 6th MarchPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:03 pm
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Well, I can ASSURE you he lied. And he did it on Portuguese TV for millions to hear. Before Mr Amaral's book was published he stated that if the book was published, 'swift legal action' would follow. Not only would Mr Amaral be sued, but also his publisher and the book distributors. The book was published, it sold more than 200 000 copies in Portugal alone and nothing. The book wa salso published in Spain, Italy, several Scandinavian countries (I'm sure I'm forgetting other countries) and still nothing. The head of the PJ Union publicly stated that Mr Mitchell lied with as many teeth as he has in his mouth. Still hasn't been sued yet. Of course I could give you other examples, but It's Sunday and I have more interesting things to do.
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No not exactly Claudia. He said if this was published in the UK and to the best of my knowledge, it hasn't been and not likely to be because Amaral cannot find any self respecting UK solicitor to represent him.
He could try Bennett I suppose, but he would be out of luck there too, as racist Bennett is not even allowed to represent himself as a solicitor.
Claudia you are washed up and washed out and like your mistress, no one believes a word you say anymore. So I would go find those 'more interesting things to do' lololololololololololololol (I thought his wife stopped you doing that anyway?)
Well Viv, you have proved how stupid you are.
Getting yourself into a stooshy over Tony Bennett is the dumbest of the dumb actions.
However, Bennett like you, is a wannabe so; perhaps you feel a kindred connection to him?
I suggest the both of you get together and stop procrastinating the inevitable; the two of you dancing the last waltz together.
Nothing you, the die hards at the 3 A' or Tony Bennett can make a square peg fit in a round hole.
Id. est, there is no evidence to prove the McCanns guilty of killing their child Madeleine.
You, can regurgitate the DVD' info all you want, protest and stamp your feet like a little child if it makes you feel better, it won't change the facts; the McCanns did not harm their little girl.
Live with it and move on.
Oh, and get that parrot's nails clipped.
Viv have you never heard of a Sunday Roast. Every time I log on your there, and reading back on the posts you've been there all day by the looks of it. Do they do Roast Lamb and Mint sauce pot noodles these days?
I do hope there is nothing inflaming in Mr. Bennett's Oxford leaflet. No libel or inciting wording.
The Oxford boys in blue are just waiting for an excuse to nab the failed solicitor so I am told.
The Police don't like the old fool at all.
Tony,
I only hope the Oxford Students union give him short shrift! Let's see if our tax pounds are worth it!
Viv is only interested in TB threads. Silly thing has been there all day, not bothering to comment on any other threads, just waiting and waiting and waiting for someone to make a comment on her favourite subject TB. Then WOW she's in for the kill within seconds. Sad woman.
Viv
Is off again. She is yet again saying she is qualified in law, when is this mad bint going to get one story and stick to it?
Yes she did used to post on there, until they banned her permanently, because they got sick of her lies, libelling and bullying and intimidation of other posters, oh and revealing other posters real details by supplying links to them and it was bye, bye Viv, or Felicity as she was then calling herself (after she came back from being banned as Viv)!
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viv Post subject: Re: CLARENCE MITCHELL Leaflet ready for 6th MarchPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:28 pm
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Posts: 1012 viv:.
Viv:
I got that from being qualified in law and at the time being a very regular reader of The Daily Express, I used to post on there. It is the sort of remark about people that typically puts a newspaper in hot water and makes it impossible for them to defend a libel claim. It was stupid and I think explains why the McCanns only sued the Express. But it is also true to say that regardless of whether or not they did kill Maddie no British paper is legally entitled to directly say that and Express Newspapers did. That is more an issue of upsetting our Attorney General by interfering in a criminal investigation and possibly damaging the Mcs right to a fair trial and the victims and public's right to see that they are put on trial. They seriously went too far.
You should take care, Madam, my patience my run out and then you will find out just how much I know about the law and just how good I am at it. That is no idle threat. Viv x
Friday, February 29, 2008 2:00:00 PM PST
Anyone remember this beauty?
Viv,
surely you know, because one watches Noddy and PC Plod from Toy Town; it does not qualify one to call oneself a solicitor?
You do know this....don't you?
Anon 19.15
I vaguely remember that, was she threatening me? I wouldn't be surprised she is always threatening someone.
Once she came on here threatening me about what she would do to me if I didn't stop threatening her. It was hilarious,
1).I had not threatened her and 2).She completely missed the irony of her words. lol
Do you know Viv has been logged in to the 3As since the crack of dawn? And she is still on there now. Does she not have a life outside of blogging?
Tony
Viv said the other week 'nowhere has she said she was a trained solicitor' she said she was a lawyer!
Notice here she did not say she was a solicitor, she is just giving the impression that she is a solicitor. This is exactly what she has done all along, the woman is a narcissist and this is a classical trait of a narcissistic personality.
Anonymous said...
Do you know Viv has been logged in to the 3As since the crack of dawn? And she is still on there now. Does she not have a life outside of blogging?
Exactly. No matter how we all feel about this case, Viv seems to have taken it personal and it does worry me to be honest. We all have a life away from this, friends, family, kids to take care of, work, school runs, cooking, houswork, I could go on. How on earth does Viv manage to function and do normal everyday things while her mind is so occupied by her hatred of the Mccanns and all of this blogging.
Viv has banned three of her posters, yet she has not banned her troll or her moles.
Rosiepops said...
Tony
Viv said the other week 'nowhere has she said she was a trained solicitor' she said she was a lawyer!
Notice here she did not say she was a solicitor, she is just giving the impression that she is a solicitor. This is exactly what she has done all along, the woman is a narcissist and this is a classical trait of a narcissistic personality.
22 February 2009 20:48
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Really, and the difference would be?
Unless of course she is from my side of the pond, which would make her either a crap legal bod or a liar. Show me a lawyer this side of the pond who can sit on a comp posting on a forum 24/7; and I will show you where Elvis has his hair cut.
She is playing semantics Tony. People were giving her a hard time on the 3 A's about her saying that she is a solicitor and all of a sudden she announces that never once did she say she was a solicitor!
Now she thinks is has all been forgotten and she can now say she is a trained solicitor again, she is nothing but a fantasist and a liar!
Wizard said...
Morning All,
Some very good points raised in posts today.
Viv – the insults from the pro-Mc lobby. I read recently on Anna Raccoon’s blog a piece about insults of this kind. I copy a quote from her on this.
“If you are taking the time to label and abuse your ‘enemy’ then you’re not talking about the evidence – you’re talking about your opponent.”
Very true!
Sunday, 22 February 2009 10:32:00 o'clock GMT
quotes from me 1. "you have to have evidence before you can talk about it"
2. "If you never listen to other peoples opinions and verbally abuse them too, it is yourself that makes them become the enemy."
quote from Nandy "fight fairly if you must fight, but boring people to death is just fowl play"
I love it, Claudia published a troll/mole thread stating that she know who this person is and yet the troll/moles are still members, free to roam and publish threads on Viv's.
Claudia, you don't have a clue as to who the troll/mole(s)are, stop talking out of your big bottom because you are making a fool of yourself. BTW you would fall of your chair if you ever discovered who they are.
Anon 22:47
I agree Claudia hasn't a clue who they are, if she did, why are they still there?
But I disagree that she would fall out of her chair, as her rather large posterior would hold her firmly in place!
As if we or anyone would care what Anna Raccoon says.
It is my opinon that Ms Raccoon deliberately misquoted from an article to try to deceive people into believing that the McCanns took a large amount of money from the fund.
She just has her knickers in a twist because she was caught out. That is why she talks about attacking the opponent rather than the evidence. But when the opponent (Ms Raccoon) is being deceptive, then she deserves to be attacked.
Remember Viv, if you are lying (being deceptive) then you deserve to be attacked. We are not going to bother debating the lies that you or your ilk have dreamed up.
What is Anna Raccoon's point? Perhaps she doesn't care for the way she was attacked for appearing to spread disinformation about the McCanns and the fund?
In other words Ms Raccoon is another one who subscribes to the "don't do as I do, do as I tell you" way of thinking.
Forget it Anna, keep pulling those strokes and you will get attacked, if you do not like it, then stop doing it. There simple!
If you want a good laugh..then have a read of this:
viv Post subject: Re: CLARENCE MITCHELL Leaflet ready for 6th MarchPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:32 pm
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Hi Doris
Well exactly, apparently one of my posters mentioned her childrens names on my blog although I do not know where, there are countless thousands of posts, but they do and they have been blogging about it for months, they calm down and then they start again! I fail to see how mentioning christian names puts them at risk at all! It is quite ridiculous and as you say, particularly when compared with the fact that Kate and Gerry on their own admission clearly did place their children at risk of serious harm and one of them actually suffered it.. Extraordinary hypocrites!
I just went and had a look and they are still threatening away, but this time made it anon:
Anonymous said...
You should take care, Madam, my patience my run out and then you will find out just how much I know about the law and just how good I am at it. That is no idle threat. Viv x
Friday, February 29, 2008 2:00:00 PM PST
Anyone remember this beauty?
22 February 2009 19:15
Oh how I tremble
I think Viv missed seeing her name at the bottom of that threat...she thinks the Anon made it.
The biggest troll/mole ever to hit Viv's blog was Dylan. I cannot see a bigger own goal on Viv's blog than to allow Dylan's posts on her blog.
Had Dylan been a pro they would have had a field day with her irresponsible pissed posts, yet Viv went out on a limb and stuck out for her, lost posters in the process and made all her child neglect arguments void.
None of the troll blogs and attacks by the pros on Viv have managed to show up Viv as a hypocrite with double standards as Dylan has.
And how did Dylan repay Viv for allowing her irresponsible posts? She came stright to this blog, the blog of Viv's 'arch enemy' posting as 'Anon A' to criticise Viv the minute she disagreed with her.
Nice work Dylan.
Bren Post subject: Re: CLARENCE MITCHELL Leaflet ready for 6th MarchPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:49 pm
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Well it seems my post has finally made one of Rosiepops crew admit that this forum is a nuisance to the McCanns
Quote:
22 February 2009 13:37
Blogger Mum21 said... snipped
Bren, your forum is NOT a threat to the McCann's...a nuisance, yes...but a threat, NO. At the end of the day a forum is just a forum...be it anti or pro. We are not the police, and neither do we have the knowledge of the police. All we have is opinions...and opinions do not stand up in a court of law.(Not even Viv's)
22 February 2009 13:56
The next questions is how far would they go, to stop us being a nuisance?
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To be perfectly frank with you Bren...we would not go an inch to stop you being a nuisance.
You lot are a laugh a minute...and as I already stated you are no threat.
Oh, and tell your friend Viv to tell the truth when she talks about us. We have NOT said something nasty was going to happen in a couple of weeks. What we said was something IS going to happen in a few weeks...and it is.
Oh dear Viv,
Can't keep track of all the threats you make?
Or are you that desperate to make out you are the victim here?
Viv
I hope you take this back to the 3 A's although I doubt that you will.
You are a liar and a hypocrite.
Not only did your member name her children and herself on your blog, she also provided intimate details of her *UNDERAGED* daughters sex life taking place at her boyfriends.
When we told her she should remove that content immediately, what did you do Viv?
Did you remove it as author of that blog? No not a bit of it, you actually encouraged her to name her children again, saying it was OK to do so, but here is the rub, you said you would NEVER mention your grandchildren names because they were sacrosanct!
It is a CRIMINAL offence to have sex with a minor in this country Viv.
You are a hypocrite and a liar.
The only reason we keep on to this woman about this, is to get her to remove these shocking details, it is dangerous and you should have already done it, but no you would rather waste your time arguing the toss about Tony Bennett and annoying everyone on the 3 A's.
You really are a piece of work Viv.
Now take this post back to the 3 A's.
Vivs is doing it again I see, telling "Doris" half the story. It wasn't just the kids names she mentioned it was also a lot more about what her daughter got up to & "the poster" in question also spoke about her own one night stands. Is it any wonder kids get into trouble with examples and guidance like that from parents.
The day Viv tells it the way it is will be the day hell freezes over.
Mum21
That is just proof of the effort and research that Viv puts in.
She of course failed to recognise her own post which was posted complete with her name.
Is she really that stupid that she didnt recognise herself, or once again, was she planning to deceive?
Not fooling anyone Viv, but a few of us are getting a good laugh at your expense.
Oh and we have never, not once provided the link to these posts and we have never mentioned the children's names.
We care more about Viv's poster's children than she or Viv obviously does.
Hi Mum
viv is threatening herself now? Never mind there are so many of her.
Hi Rosie,
Viv does not need us to threaten her...she does it to herself.
She is too far gone to recognise her own posts.
Bren Post subject: Re: CLARENCE MITCHELL Leaflet ready for 6th MarchPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:49 pm
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Well it seems my post has finally made one of Rosiepops crew admit that this forum is a nuisance to the McCanns
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1).. They are not my crew.
2)..Bren you are starting to sound a bit paranoid.
Do you honestly think we are connected to the McCanns? Oh dear, I think it is time to take a break. I know you take a short holiday and while you are gone, make Viv a mod, go on you know this is what she desperately wants.
Hi Mum
I know, but give her a break, she has been at it all day long. I wonder who does her housework, washing, cooking and ironing etc, when she is blogging 24/7?
Hi Rosie,
You saw the pictures of the sh-t hole Viv lives in...nobody does the cooking and cleaning.
Well this blogger is off to bed tired from doing the decorating again today (and the cooking and cleaning).
Night all.
"Oh, and tell your friend Viv to tell the truth when she talks about us. We have NOT said something nasty was going to happen in a couple of weeks. What we said was something IS going to happen in a few weeks...and it is."
What we have been saying is, before the end of next month, something is going to happen that the anti's are not going to like. Not one little bit. They may think it nasty, we think it can only be good.
Bren said..Well it seems my post has finally made one of Rosiepops crew admit that this forum is a nuisance to the McCanns
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Bren I am not part of any crew, I just post here because they allow me to. It is such a shame that you cannot admit that forums are being ruined by the biggest nuisance of all, Viv. She does not allow opposing views to her own on her blog, she only takes part of other peoples posts to other blogs, leaving out the parts that show the true context, she always has to find a "victim" to argue with which disrupts the debate and the victim is normally someone who is getting more attention than herself and so on and so on. She is clever enough to know that if she copies her "part of" posts from other sites someone will retaliate and start a slanging match and she does all this in the name of Justice for Madeleine
Good Morning All.
Well said Vee8...you are right. they are not going to like it at all. Tough sh-t!
On the DX Viv used to post under two IDs that we are absolutely sure of. Viv and Felicity. This can be verified by visiting her blog in the early days, where you will see her writing posts as Viv and then replying to herself as 'Felicity'. She later admitted that she was Felicity, when she was outed.
Viv was banned under the ID of Viv and came back as Felicity, then she was banned under this ID permanently, no amount of her phoning the DX and begging and pleading would make them reinstate her account.
She was banned permanently for providing a link that when followed, revealed another member's personal details and a picture of him with his wife.
The posters crime?
Well he was a retired detective living abroad and received a lot of attention, because he was very knowledgeable. The antis welcomed him warmly because at first they thought he was an anti. He wasn't anti or pro, just pro truth and fact and this of course did not resonate well with Viv.
Viv attacked this person viciously, as he was always polite and answered all questions put to him, this was completely unnecessary.
She kept screaming at him to prove he was an ex detective, so he replied calmly giving his name, rank and number and the police station he worked from.
This was not good enough for her, she had to go further, she outed his wife!
He then asked her (Viv AKA Felicity) to provide proof that she was a solicitor, which she point blank refused to do, of course we now know why - she couldn't, as there is no proof because Viv is not a solicitor.
Viv does this all the time, she demands proof of others that they are what they say they are.
She demands that others back their comments up.
Yet she never, ever does this herself.
Viv is a trouble making, trouble 'enjoying' narcissistic phony and she does nothing but cause disruption and trouble wherever she goes, in fact she thrives on it.
But this is not all, where ever Viv goes, Viv will pick on someone to vent at, this person will be someone she thinks is superior to her, or is receiving more attention than her. She picks on Kate McCann, because Kate McCann is highly intelligent and is also good looking and Viv cannot abide this.
Ask yourself what Viv ever brings to the debate other than unpleasantness, outright lies, trouble and disruption.
Be aware, she will do this and when she thinks she is in trouble she will turn around and promptly find someone she can blame for all the trouble she herself has caused.
Viv brings forums down, she ruins them and is one of the most unpleasant people surfing the internet.
Hi Vee,
It certainly is!
Rosiepops said...
23 February 2009 11:35
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Rosie,
how much do you bet the moment Viv ousted the ex police officers wife; she ousted herself?
No copper ex or serving would let the old parrot off with attacking his family.
Tony,
you could be right! I know she certainly met her match in him, try as she might she just could not get the better of him and I believe he did complain about her.
Stupid woman!
I looked in on the 3 A's last night before going to bed around 12 and she was still on there! She had been on all day, waiting for people to post on her thread about Tony Bennett, foolish obsessed woman!
Rosiepops said...
23 February 2009 17:22
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What so she could give them some legal advice :-)
Yeah Tony they were queuing up, because her advice is always so accurate lol Pity she could not advise a person on her own blog to remove illegal comments about her own children though!
Rosie 17.22 All day yesterday on 3A's, plus there again today, visits to Joana's & who knows where else, a quick pop back to her blog to tell wizard she has "threads" on 3A's and find another excuse to get back there. She is obsessed alright
viv said...
Nancy, I just seen your post above now about Goncalo after finding it on Joana's. Will check out what they are saying on 3 As
xx
Monday, 23 February 2009 21:58:00 o'clock GMT
I have just been reading Viv's latest thread and apart from being sick of seeing "I have been saying this all alone" posts because she has covered everything over time, I am just wondering why, if Amaral suspected the McCanns within the first hour he allowed the world and his wife to trample through the apartment. It should have been totally sealed for obvious reasons.
All police forces can screw things up and if you read the news re the death at Barrymore's house you will see the Essex police did not do well on this occasion and have admitted it.
A classic example of police following normal procedure when a child goes missing is the case of Shannon Matthews. 3 lines of enquiry being taken seriously all at the same time. 1. Child run way, 2. abduction, 3 parental involvement and instant phone tapping in place. Obviously there was no need to seal the house in this case.
I think the police dealing with Matthews were "doing a Viv", covering all options in order to get it right in the end :-)
The title of this thread is 'Has Viv Now Totally Lost The Plot'.
I just want to remind people of something Viv once said.
'But my children are alive and well'
Losing a child must be the worse pain a person can experience, yet here she was gloating that her 'children are alive and well' to people she thought had lost their child!
Viv revels in her attempts to torture Kate and Gerry McCann, about their missing daughter.
She does this all on the back of her sick and twisted ever changing theories, yet like everyone else, she does NOT know what happened to this child.
Over the months, Viv has murdered that little girl many times over in her sick narcissistic mind, with her sick perverted theories.
If this isn't bad enough, what Viv actually does is rape the memory of that poor child, sully it and then tries to present that to Madeleine's parents, who only have the memories of their beloved daughter to cling to.
Viv realising that people have become tired and bored with her ever changing killing theories, is attempting to re-write history and every day it seems, Viv has another theory, or adds another sick twist that she has dreamed up over night.
Viv is an empty vicious human encompassed by hate and obsessed with Kate and Gerry McCann.
What does Viv actually bring to the debate? What does she bring other than pure hatred, lies, deceit, bullying and intimidation and total disruption? It is the same story everywhere Viv goes, yet it is never her fault, it is always the fault of some other person.
Viv coexists with evil and hatred, in a world where truth does not have a place and where there is only room for the perverted fantasies of Viv, and people like her.
'But my children are alive and well' That must be one of the most cruel things ever said by anyone pro/anti or whatever. Makes my stomache turn.
At least the police conducting the Shannon Matthews investigation knew what they were doing and why they were doing it!
As for Goncalo Amaral not sealing the scene immediately, well if he had bothered to attend the scene it may have made a difference!
Serious mistakes were made at the very outset of the Madeleine investigation and from then on in, I believe the importance was not on finding Madeleine, but was placed on protecting Goncalo Amaral and the Portuguese tourist industry.
As I have said all along (and my opinions have not changed) something sinister is being covered up in Praia da Luz.
Normally we would have heard of this for a few days, or a few weeks and it would have then disappeared and as harsh as this may sound, people would have gently forgotten about this little child.
This is where her parents came in, they realised this would happen and they utilised everything that was available to them, to ensure Madeleine's profile was kept raised, they acted on the advice given to them by experienced agencies and from parents and relatives of other missing children.
Far from dying down, as the policia judiciaria and the Portuguese government had hoped, this story kept sprouting legs and walking off in all directions, it was the subject of the media driven world and eventually there was hardly a place in the world that had not heard of Madeleine McCann.
This angered Amaral and the Portuguese government, each knew that this story had the propensity to destroy careers and harm reputations, so they fought it and so began the programme of 'disinformation' blackening the McCanns names, assassinating their characters, this was done on purpose and I believe in full knowledge of some in authority.
The PJ knew then, as they know now, that the McCanns did not harm their daughter.
I will go one step further, I believe that some very high up people in Portugal know exactly what happened to Madeleine McCann and what is more, I believe they know exactly where she is now.
They keep hoping that this will die down and go away, well they should know by now it is not going to happen.
The good people will not just shut up and be silenced, good people will not just believe the disinformation put about some in Portugal, why?
Because at the end of the day, whether you believe the parents guilty of neglect or not, they had every right to put their children to bed and to expect that those children stayed safe and asleep in their own bed, without some evil personified bastard child abductor, entering the premises and taking one of them.
Nothing and no one will ever convince me any different. The true guilty is the person, or person who carried out this sick and evil crime and I will save my animosity for them, not the parents, people who are still desperately to this day, searching for their child.
Rosie there is something that Viv has managed to achieve. There are many people like myself who remained open minded about this case, and admit to criticising the McCanns in the past. Whilst I personally still have the same opinions that I always had I no longer comment on the McCanns or any anti theories that I may have regards the case. This is because I just cannot debate these points with anybody who associates with Viv and encourages her attacks on other posters. I also only want to debate not accuse without evidence and facts. I have over the past weeks been giving Viv a taste of her own medicine. She can call me a sh.t stirrer, stalker, or whatever she likes but all I have been doing is telling it the way it is and nothing more. You are correct in all you said about her and why she does what she does.
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