Saturday, 13 December 2008

So Goncalo Amaral Hass 'Supposed' To Have Joined the 3 A's?

"ICantThinkOfAName said...

Hi AllInteresting development that Goncalo Amaral has opened an account with 3A.Perhaps we will now get some extra information "straight from the horse's Mouth".Friday, 12 December 2008 13:55:00 o'clock GMT"

(Taken From The Snot Green Psycho Blog From Hell)


If this is true and Goncalo Amaral has joined the 3 A's, ny first reaction was to laugh!

However, after I stopped laughing at this latest ridiculous piece of nonsense, I began thinking. If he has, I would say this says even more about this pathetic moronic swine, this Amaral, the person who was sacked for doing his job so appallingly.

I have been reading some of the questions that El Mundo reporter has asked Amaral and I have to say, that the answers if correct, are very revealing and they reveal far more about Amaral than if he had sat down and wrote his own biography! I am amazed at how revealing about him this interview actually is. Far from being a crack shot detective, I believe Amaral is of inferior intellect, in fact he is (to put it bluntly) as thick as two short planks! He is not just stupid, he is stunningly stupid.

I read about the 'Calpol' Amaral supposedly said this;'

"(El Mundo Journalist)Q - So, what are we talking about?

(Amaral) A - About an accident. The child could have fallen from a sofa, could have had an accident with Calpol (a sleeping solution). We never had access to the girl's medical history, so we don't know whether she was healthy or not. We can only speculate. There are many very strange details."

As a footnote the person whose blog these questions appear on went to great lengths to explain that Amaral did not say that 'Calpol' was a sleeping drug, that it was the 'reporter's mistake' as the reporter had put this in in brackets to explain to his readers what 'Calpol' is.

Two Points.

1)....The mere fact that Amaral mentions that 'Calpol' could have been the cause of Madeleine's death in some sort of accident where she took the suspension and died from an accidental overdose, is so amazingly stupid factually incorrect, that it is almost impossible to find thecorrect words to explain why this allegation, is so stupid! From the transcripts of this interview with the El Mundo journalist, I think it is safe to assume Amaral means that Madeleine, could have accidentally taken it and was the cause of her death!

RUBBISH!..GARBAGE!..IGNORANCE!..NONSENSE!

Even if Madeleine did take this by accident it would not have killed her in this time frame, in fact it is doubtful that it would have killed her at all. If Madeleine had taken Calpol by accident, her parents, 'two highly trained experienced doctors' would have had her at the nearest hospital immediately. No doubt gthey would be liasing with their counterpart colleagues about what treatment to give to Madeleine to neutralise the Calpol - There is an antidote to paracetamol overdose which can be successfully administered up to 12 hours after ingestion. 'Calpol' is liquid paracetamol. This statement alone actually shows the ignorance of someone who is supposed to be an "elite detective" he (Amaral) obviously has not even bothered to find out what Calpol actually is, what it is used for and what its contraindications actually are, yet here he is using this as a weapon to hit the McCanns over the head with and trying to suggest that Madeleine may have died as a result of a drug overdose! The thick headed journalist, doesn't know either and he is guilty of sloppy, lazy jopurnalism because he did not bother to check out such a vitally important fact and part of his story!

Yet this so-called elite detectibe and this journalist with his sensational sccop, want us to take this interview seriously?

2) The thicko El Mundo hack has just assumed that Calpol is a 'sleeping solution', he has not even bothered to check up on something as important as this, in short he is a lazy pig ignorant stunningly stupid journalist, (a bit like the detective he is interviewing).If a detective supposed to be leading the hunt for a missing child cannot even be bothered to check this out, what hope did Madeleine ever have with this thick detective in charge?

Another revealation that utter shocks and leaves one almost speechless is, apparently Amaral, has NOT even bothered to interview Kate or Gerry once in person!

How do we rate this? How are we supposed to be reassured that everything that could have been done to find Madeleine, was done, professionally and dilligently, when we are presented almost daily with such dreadfully unfounded, unsubstantiated allegations?

I find it astonishingly incompetent and this feeling magnifies intensely, when you understand with extreme trepidation, that the detective taking over when Goncalo Amaral was sacked from this investigation, 'Paulo Rebelo' has 'NEVER' even interviewed or spoken with Kate and Gerry either! You have to ask, just what the hell has been going on in Portugal? It is almost as if the Portuguese detectives know very well what happened to Madeleine and where is was and where she is today and they are scared witless of this being discovered.Meanwhile to divert attention away from this astonishingly lackadaisical investigation, they decided to blame the parents, but these detectives were so thick, they could not even do this properly. I believe, they (especially Amaral) completely underestimated the tenacity and the intellect of these two parents and so these parents came to be the objects of hate, to be ridiculed and lied about.

Amaral thought he could bully Kate McCann into submission, after all Kate McCann was a silly little woman wasn't she? Silly and stupid and easily manipulated just like Leonor Cipriano and when he discovered that Kate was not going to be bullied, or coerced into confessing to something she (they) did not do, it was a real shock to Amaral and he started to panic. What he was panicking about, well who knows? He may think this will never come out, but it will, as sure as day meets night it will come out, things like this 'always do!' When it does, Portugal needs to brace itself for the fall out, because it will be vast and relentless.

Now apparently we are to be believe that Amaral has joined the the 3 A's? You could not make it up could you? Honestly, if thiswas a film, we would all be saying this is too far fetched to be real and believable!

But oh how that would suit his (Amaral's) incredible aptitude for ballsing everything up completely. To be seen publicly joining a forum full of bullshitters, liars, fantasists and axe murderers and probably with a few paedophiles thrown in for good measure, no doubt.

Well at least if Amaral has joined there he will be in good company!

And ICTOAN is almost breathless when he says; "Perhaps we will now get some extra information "straight from the horse's Mouth".

ROTFLMAO, really PMSL! ICTOAN, You couldn't afford for him to tell you his lies directly you haven't got enough money.

Didn't you know that Amaral charges for everything?
He has written a book and is cashing in on Madeleine's disappearance, he has made a film in Portugal to further cash in on this poor missing child. He has got money from this 'PAID' interview with the Spanish newspaper 'El Mundo'. He gets appearance money from giving various interviews to other newspapers, radio and television companies and apparently after he has finished his latest film about Madeleine, filmed in apartment 5a, where this dear little child was last seen, it has been touted that there is a further book to come?

He in his native Portugal is being allowed to cash in on his 'FAILINGS' with unsubstantiated comments and allegations, lies and innuendo and there is not a thing the McCanns can do about this, because of Portugal's laws on libel and how little regard they have towards the truth.


I would not be surprised to learn that some factory in Portugal is now producing a whole range of goods with the fat one's (Amatral's) name and face on them, mugs, T-shirts, pens, pencils etc, if they are may I suggest they produce toilet tissue with his face on? That would be a very fitting indictment to him and his investigative prowess!

I get the impression that Goncalo Amaral is a fat frustrated man. A very typical old fashioned male chauvinist. He is controlling, and he gives the impression that he is a misogynist. If he thinks he is right (which is probably all of the time) then he simply shuts down to all fact, reason and logic and blindly pursues wild geese up one way streets, and blind allies. His leaks and innuendos have often been totally bizarre and his book is no different. I believe this man is a menace to all innocent people and it was a good day for Portugal when he was sacked from the Madeleine McCann investigation and then no doubt was pushed into early retirement.

Portugal has no loss in this man, they can only breathe a little easier, should some other poor unfortunate child fall prey to some disgusting abductor and their family be too terrified to call upon their police to help them in such a terrifying time. I believe that Goncalo Amaral should be brought in for official questioning into his dreadful incompetence in the Madeleine case and his conduct, both of which are brought sharply into focus. I believe he is responsible for the good Portuguese detectives (and there are good Portuguese detectives) being prevented from following up leads as they came into this investigation. It is not until all of these people who were involved at that time of Madeleine's disappearance, are spoken to again that any hidden or deliberately concealed information will emerge.

I believe this is vitally necessary because only through this, will the where abouts of Madeleine McCann be discovered.

It is time for a full Public Inquiry to be held in Portugal into this bizarre and tragic event. Until this happens, this whole tragi, heartbreaking affair, will remain a blight on Portugal's name. This is going to keep on and on, it will never go away.

Portugal must start answering the many questions, no matter what it takes, or who it hurts, or whose career and name it will harm.

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Anonymous said...

Hi Rosie,

Those rabid posts don't come from a sane mind, her rantings, especially when she is annoyed show how disturbed she is.

Viv makes completely insane theories, but then can come across very sane in her cold and calculating manipulation of gullible posters and her mind games, but this is because they are probably the product of instinct and from having behaved like this all her life.

I believe Viv is bad, but being bad has ultimately caused her to go mad.

Mum21 said...

I think Mairy Hinge summed Viv up with these very few words

"You get what you give, er, viv"

Mum21 said...

Rosie...I think she is just plain EVIL!

Rosiepops said...

Mairy Hinge Post subject: Re: Did Gerry abduct Maddie?Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:15 pm

First Time Offender


Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:16 am
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Location: home at last

viv wrote:
"I would not bother to look for any conspiracy theories as to why I do not post any longer, maybe it is just because I do not want to be among rude, abusive people who just want to attack others, like a few I can see on this thread, rather than wishing to honestly look at the evidence in this case."


You get what you give, er, viv

01 February 2009 22:46


You really are narcissistic Viv, you honestly cannot see that you are all the things (and a load more besides) that you accuse others of being!

You stopped posting on the 3 A's because they saw right through you, the same as we did on the DX. Your credibility is shot to pieces and you cannot even be honest with yourself.
This past few weeks you have done nothing but make a complete idiot of yourself. You are an arse woman!

Mum21 said...

Rosie, she has to pop over here to post every so often...just to get away from the boredom of her blog. After all she is no longer welcomed with open arms on the 3A's. The last comment she made there caused the thread to be locked.

Rosiepops said...

So Mum and ST, you think she is mad, bad and evil?

I knew she was leaving the 3 A's the other day when she crawled back to her blog with her tail between her legs, having got what she deserved.

She immediately started creeping up her posters backsides to win their favour after severely pi***ing them off, by lying to them and then dumping them in favour of the 3 A's!

The one and only poster on Viv's that I have any time for is JJ, I do not agree with hardly anything he/she writes, but at least he/she has the bottle to stand up to Viv occasionally, unlike all the other little sheep.

Rosiepops said...

No she is so far up she can see daylight!

Mum21 said...

Unlike ALL the other sheep, Rosie?
There are only about 4 left.
Even Clawd only pops in now and again.
Viv has not only lost the plot...but she has lost most of her members too.

Gina said...

Glad to see others feel the same way as I do re Viv's latest U turn.

At least she is given a chance to defend herself on here although she hasn't got the ability without being nasty. I think when JJ was saying dogs don't lie Rosie, it was by way of repeating what used to be Vivs catch phrase.

Hi ST long time no see, hope all is well with you

Rosiepops said...

Where is Clottier hiding these days? i think she has fled to the 3 A's and is languishing under another ID!

Mum21 said...

Where as on our forum majority of our members still appear daily.

Anonymous said...

I have had contact with a pretty well known 3A's member who is convinced Viv is insane, there are many pm's going on between established posters about Viv and her disruptive behaviour.

She has been called a fringe lunatic and her blog is seen in the same light as John Hirst', the axe murderer.

Many posters are also appalled at some of the goings on of her posters getting drunk, etc... the consensus is that Viv, with her behaviour gives the antis a bad name and they don't want them on the forum.

I have the PM's. I won't publish them, but I am happy to show them to some of you.

Mum21 said...

Clawd appears on the 3A's most days...but only posts her usual one or two liners. Mostly in defence of her disgraced hero.

Anonymous said...

Hi Gina,

I am well, haven't been around much, doing family stuff. Watching a heavy snowfall right now and catching up with the latest stuff.

Hope all is well with you.

Rosiepops said...

It is amazing Mum, we publish all these hostile comments and yet still they accuse me of not allowing other people's opinions, while she is sitting on her 'closed' blog! Slight contradiction there I think!

Mum21 said...

Rosie...the woman suffers from double standards. Even one of the members on the 3A's commented on her stupidity by thinking you were Phil McCann

Rosiepops said...

supertroll said...
I have had contact with a pretty well known 3A's member who is convinced Viv is insane, there are many pm's going on between established posters about Viv and her disruptive behaviour.

She has been called a fringe lunatic and her blog is seen in the same light as John Hirst', the axe murderer.

Many posters are also appalled at some of the goings on of her posters getting drunk, etc... the consensus is that Viv, with her behaviour gives the antis a bad name and they don't want them on the forum.

I have the PM's. I won't publish them, but I am happy to show them to some of you.

01 February 2009 23:07


Hi ST,

I can well believe this, ever since she went on the 3 A's, Viv has caused a tremendous amount of unrest and bickering, and at least two of threads she had stared were locked!
Viv s a disruptive influence, at last others are now seeing her for what she is!

Rosiepops said...

Mum21 said...
Rosie...the woman suffers from double standards. Even one of the members on the 3A's commented on her stupidity by thinking you were Phil McCann

01 February 2009 23:18


Mum haven't you heard? Viv no longer thinks I am Phil, she now thinks I am Jon Corner and all because I spoke about the road from Portugal to Tarifa in Spain!
rotflmao

Gina said...

Hi ST

They had snow also in Madrid today, glad no snow in my neck of the woods at the moment because half the tiles on the roof are missing and awaiting repair.

Just took a look at Viv's, pages of statements to the police. I presume the police are capable of deciding whether there is anything within them that they need to act upon or perhaps they have sent them to Viv to check they have not missed something :-) off to bed, nite all

Mum21 said...

Good Night Gina, speak to you soon.

Rosiepops said...

Goodnight all, I am turning in, it is now snowing heavily here and the latest weather report is that we could be in for around a foot of snow!
Oh well plenty of time to do the decorating!

Mum21 said...

Rosie, you should be flattered. At least she does not think you are Tony Bennett :-)

Gina said...

Nite Mum, hope you are not freezing over there.

Mum21 said...

Good Night Rosie,
Sleep well.

Rosiepops said...

Oh no, those specs lol

Goodnight all.

Gina said...

Mum21 said...
Rosie, you should be flattered. At least she does not think you are Tony Bennett :-)

01 February 2009 23:37

Or Gordon Bennett

Anonymous said...

Goodnight Gina,

I wish you the best weather possible for the next few months, your area really needs it. I'll go and put on a 'cloth' right now and pray for that.

Rosie,
I have the PM's. They have lost all respect for Viv on the 3A's. She is on her own.

Goodnight everyone.

Gina said...

ST said....... I'll go and put on a 'cloth' right now and pray for that.

Now you have gone and done it, :-)
:-) pmsl

Rosiepops said...

ST

I can well believe it! I heard they were really angry with Viv for totally disrupting their forum.

My answer to that is why din't they ban her? After all, they ban others for mildest of things!

Have you got snow yet ST?

Goodnight, see you all in the morning, I do not think a lot of us will be off out tomorrow!

Stay safe everyone (even you Viv)

Goodnight Rosie x

Rosiepops said...

lol it's a goodnight from me and a goodnight from me lol

Anonymous said...

Snow???

It looks like Antarctica outside.
Wondering how I am going to get to work tomorrow, lol, it doesn't look likely.

The 3A's should ban Viv as soon as possible before she causes real trouble.

She is not a proper anti and she doesn't care about children's welfare. She is just out there to find people to dominate, and bully and disrupt. She is using this case and the effect it had had on people to do this.

The problem is that she probably has about 10 sock puppets ID's already.

Off to bed too.
Have a good night everyone.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Everyone

The snow is here and we are expecting a lot more this afternoon!

I took this picture of my front garden this morning. I also took a video of little dog and remembering how my big old fella would have loved the snow too, bless him, I do miss him so much.

Mum21 said...

Morning Rosie,
Your front garden looks beautiful. We have snow here on the south coast too. It was a bit of a slow starter...but is now coming down heavy. A few miles inland...Chichester and the South Downs had approx 4 inches of snow in the night. But we are catching up fast now.

Gina said...

Hi all,

I know the snow must look great but I am not jealous that I do not have any. I have been looking on sky news to see the conditions over there - looks bad in many parts so all take care.

Viv's latest: The fund will catch the McCanns out in the end. Well that's another option, not many more left. Not sure if she has done the McCanns are being blackmailed yet. Don't worry Viv if you run out of ideas I can give you loads more because I have considered many including they are innocent maybe but I have my doubts about other members of the group!!!

Rosiepops said...

Thanks Mum.

I love my gardens. I have taken some of the birds feeding in the back and on the water butt and I have a gorgeous one of a female blackbird sitting on the garden fence.

The snow is really falling heavily again at the moment. I bet it is doubly beautiful where you live, snow and sea - wonderful. Do your dogs like the snow Mum? My little dog has been laying in it this morning, strange little thing she is, she lays in the snow, yet when the sun is out she finds a spot where it it shining on the carpet and lays there basking in its warmth, yet lays in the snow too? lol

Rosiepops said...

Gina, you are so jealous of our snow too! Why else would you stick bits of cotton wool all over your windows, much to the bemusement of your Spanish neighbours? pmsl (Not to mention the goat herder)

As for Viv, well who knows what she is going to come out with next? However, I think her little book of Complete Bo***cks, must almost be empty by now!

I see that Viv has decided to ignore the fact that the Fund's accounts have now been published, just as the McCanns promised they would and everything is accounted for, tallies and is open and above board.
Shame that Bennett refuses to publish his accounts! For the Madeleine Foundation - hypocrite.

Gina said...

Rosie,
On the fence over the snow too :-) Love it when it first falls, but hate it when it turns to slush. BTW my spanish dog is currently laying in the rain when she could be in the house or in the naya.

To be honest I think a lot of the fund money has been wasted and could have been used in a better way. If those who gave to it are not complaining on how it was spent then people like me who did not give have no right to question it.

As for Viv, well I have no problem with people having theories and opinions even if they differ from mine, but I have no respect for people who accuse without actual evidence. It's a shame she does not get so passionate about other issues like street crime and trying to do something to stop it.

Mum21 said...

Hi Rosie, I love my gardens too.... even though they are not like most gardens. They are in fact more like a wildlife sanctuary. A large duck pond in the back garden and a smaller wildlife pond in the front. The only fish I keep in the wildlife pond are native to this country...like sticklebacks. My front garden is home to a hedgehog, a pair of moorhens, newts, frogs the odd squirrel...and many different wild birds. I also have a fox that visits most nights to drink from the pond. Of course the back garden has a 7 foot wall with an electric fence on top...to keep the fox out. He is welcome in the front garden...but not in the back.
As you know my back garden is home to many species of waterfowl.
The snow has stopped here at the moment...but the sky still looks very grey.
My two dogs do like playing in the snow...but they also love sleeping in front of the log fire in the sitting room. I have to keep telling them to move back because they are getting to hot.
I Cant Think Of A Name once asked on Viv's blog why I would have chosen to live where I do. The simple answer is....it is quiet and peaceful with the sea to the front of my home and the South Downs to the back.

Mum21 said...

Hi Gina,
I also have no problem with people having theories that differ to my own...as long as they keep them as theories. It is when they make unproven accusations that gets my back up. People should never accuse another person of something if they do not have the proven evidence to back it up. It is criminal to do so. Neither would I ever take snippets of information and turn them into factual evidence. For instance..Viv states as fact that the British police are still investigating the McCanns. May be they are...may be they are not. But we do not know either way as a fact.
What if Viv is totally wrong...how is she going to face up to the fact she has hounded this couple relentlessly for almost 2 years.
If it was me I could not live with myself.

Rosiepops said...

Sounds beautiful Mum, really tranquil. We have wild life too, we can hear the hedgehogs scratching around and we have squirrels and the odd fox that visits the front too. I used to be able to see a fox cross the road out the front at the same time each night, but haven't caught sight of him for a long time, I hope he is OK. I have four Christmas trees in the front garden two very large, one medium and one smaller one, we also have a holly and two laurels. We also have bird baths etc, the one in the front in the picture is my favourite, I love it. We have a big Italian stone water feature in the back. I used to have a pond but when the grandchildren came along I filled it in, I still have a fountain in the box that I was intending to use but never did. I think I am going to build one of those sunken features out of cobbles etc and have the fountain coming out of that. The winter snow is lovely, but I will be so glad when spring and summer are here again!

I love the fact you have a fox come to your garden.

Anonymous said...

viv said...

Well I sit twiddling my thumbs and no one comes and then why I runs, here you comes... I know pathetic!

Is this supposed to rhyme?... Yes it is pathetic.

She still can't help herself can she? What a difference putting you own spin on it makes.

Questioned about Madeleine, Amy notes that Madeleine was timid but very intelligent for her age and would play with the older children;

TO THIS
viv said...

Hiya Dilly, welll I can see where the questions are coming from because as I posted above nannies commented that Maddie was a timid and frightened child, quite the opposite to how Kate (she will be giving them her tuppence worth) and even more so Gerry describe her,

You pathetic old crow, you need to stay off the booze.

Mum21 said...

Hi Rosie, It appears you and I enjoy the same simple pleasures in life. To me, being able to sit in my own garden with my dogs..and watch the wildlife around me is worth far more than anything money can buy. I did notice the bird bath in your front garden...and straight away knew you loved the wild birds too.

Anonymous said...

Mum21 said...
Where as on our forum majority of our members still appear daily.

01 February 2009 23:06
**
ALL 101 OF THEM?

dianeh said...

Well, I see you in Britain are having snowstorms, while I am sweltering in above 40 degrees for the last week, with no relief in sight until at least Monday. It is bloody hot.

Rosie's garden looks lovely, like a fairy tale. Mine looks like the Kalihari desert. As happens when we are on water restrictions and above 40 degrees heat. I will let you in on a secret. I always thought that when it got over 40, it didnt make much different if it was 41, 42, 43, 44 or 45, well I can tell you that each degree makes a load of difference. Each day I hope it will stop at 40 or 41 (which last week I thought way to hot) because at 44, it is just hell.

And I want to add that it is not unusual for children that are outgoing and assertive at home to be timid and nervous when in new situations. I only found out after 6 months of pre-school that my daughter wont sing the songs or dance and that she hates to be the centre of attention. Yet at home, she is confident and assertive. Apparently she even failed to show some learning skills to the teachers, which she has been able to do since she was only 2. So, I take with a grain of salt and suggestions that Kate was lying or misleading about Madeleine.

Rosiepops said...

Anon 21.16

We have 101 members and have about a quarter of those that post regularly, so what? What is it to you? It doesn't worry us so why should it worry you?

You are pathetic, haven't you got anything better to do with your time, than come on here making silly jealous little posts?

By the way, the proxy server you use does not mask who you are, you may think it does, but it doesn't and you are not nearly as clever as you like to think you are, so you may just as well name yourself, you trouble making hypocritical coward.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Mum,

Soon be spring! Apparently we are in for a hot summer this year, predicted by the same people who predicted these snow storms! Well let's see, it certainly cannot get and worse than the last two summers can it?

Hi Diane,
Soon be your winter! I read that you were experiencing very hot weather, it is hard for us to imagine what that feels like, but it sounds pretty uncomfortable.

Would you believe that I had a 4x4 and sold it last year, I said when I did this that we would have a bad winter - lol.

I agree about Madeleine and some children are like this, extrovert in the home and suddenly shy amongst others when their parents are not there. Viv is just being ridiculous as usual, she makes it up as she goes along, we tolerate her these days, needless to say that no one believes a word she writes anymore, not even her four posters believe her any longer!

Gina said...

Good morning Mum and all

I totally agree with your 16.26 post to me. As you say we do not know whether the British Police are still investigating this case.
IF they are I have every faith that they will stick with it until they reach a positive conclusion and they will not write a book about it in the meantime. IF there is anything to know, we will all know at the same time.

Regards What if Viv is wrong - Well do you honestly think she cares, if she did she would not have accused but just stuck with theories and possibilities like so many others have.

Lovely sunny day here today, so I had better go make the most of it. Hope you are all safe and warm

Gina said...

viv said...
I just had a look at their blog and it is uncanncy, since I put a link to it on 3 As pointing out people may be shocked the conversation has focussed on two things I dearly love, gardens and wildlife, ah at last they see the beauty in life!

Tuesday, 3 February 2009 09:19:00 o'clock GMT

Lots of talk on your blog about the weather etc so what's wrong with it being talked about here. Uncanny that you do not mention other points raised on here that you will have difficulty answering.
I have got off the fence on one thing now, you are barking mad

Rosiepops said...

viv said...
I just had a look at their blog and it is uncanncy, since I put a link to it on 3 As pointing out people may be shocked the conversation has focussed on two things I dearly love, gardens and wildlife, ah at last they see the beauty in life!

Tuesday, 3 February 2009 09:19:00 o'clock GMT

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As I do not read your filthy blog, I have no idea what you are talking about or what links you have put up.

Be careful though, your narcissistic traits are emerging again.

The love of wildlife and gardens etc does not belong solely to you and if you had managed to free yourself of your tawdry life and insults towards anyone that disagrees with you, you would have noted that both Mum and myself have talked about this way back on the the DX days, while you were busy with your vicious insulting narcissistic tongue insulting everyone. In fact my profile on there actually read that I enjoyed wildlife and I had a passion for my garden and loved feeding the birds etc, as well you know, you took the Michael out of it often enough.

Again Viv your lies have caught you out.
Your apparent love of gardens only emerged last year when you suddenly produced a picture out of nowhere, which you said was your garden!? I believe this was in response to gardens and Mum's wildlife and ducks etc being discussed on our forum and you waded in with this.

You are transparent Viv and so are your narcissistic lies.

Rosiepops said...

And why Mrs Narcissist (Viv) are you putting links to this blog on the 3 A's?

Do you think they are remotely interested in what you are saying? They all mostly think you are a raving loony who has a bad drink problem.

In fact I have received several correspondences from posters on the 3 A's, urging us to keep the pressure up on you, in the hope you will disappear.

You apparently embarrass them Viv.

Can't say I am surprised, you are a veritable embarrassment to yourself.

Mum21 said...

viv said...
I just had a look at their blog and it is uncanncy, since I put a link to it on 3 As pointing out people may be shocked the conversation has focussed on two things I dearly love, gardens and wildlife, ah at last they see the beauty in life!

Tuesday, 3 February 2009 09:19:00 o'clock GMT

Oh dear, Viv...you really do suffer from cronic self importance.
For a start most of the 3A's already had a link to this blog.
And to quote the good old missing doc..."I don't give a flying f-ck what you or the members of the 3a's think of us.
But seeing as you are a member there...if I were YOU I would be most humilated by what they are saying about YOU.

As Gina said...barking mad.

Rosiepops said...

Mum, it is her narcissistic traits escaping the veneer she puts on for her remaining four members!

Can you believe the implication?That we are only mentioning wildlife and gardens because of something she said? rotflmao

Mum21 said...

viv said...
Hiya Dilly!

Well yes, it is nice the Pinks suddenly got an interest in nature and wildlife but maybe someone needs to explain to Rosie, hedgehogs hibernate in the winter, otherwise they would die!
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Yes, Viv...hedgehogs do often hibernate in the winter...but that really depends on the winter climate. If for instance they live in a part of England that has a fairly mild winter climate (such as here in the south)....they do not need to...and often don't hibernate. This winter has been unusually cold for the south coast of England and the hedgehogs are in hibernation....but they are still here in my garden. In fact they built a sort of nest in the base of a pampas grass at the back of my wildlife pond. They are snug and warm. As I am sure they are in Rosie's garden too.

Why would you assume Rosie does not know hedgehogs hibernate? There is nothing in her comment to suggest she does not know. So as per usual you tried to be a smart arse....but ended up looking as though you have sh-t for brains.

A word of advice Viv...never try to convert the converted.

dianeh said...

It is worth pointing out, that if the British police are investigating Madeleine's disappearance, it doesnt even follow that the McCanns are under investigation. Following the standard procedures of the British Police (as stated many times in the papers by varous experts) the parents would have been investigated and eliminated. It is worth remembering that the Leic Police have interviewed all of the Tapas group and have access to the PJ files.

Any investigation would be aimed at finding Madeleine, not an investigation of the McCanns, as there has found to be nothing to suggest they had any involvement, according to the Portuguese Prosecutors report, which the British police also have access to.

So it is just wishful thinking by the anti's that the British police are investigating the Mccanns. It is time that the anti's faced reality, and that the Mccanns were not involved in Madeleine's disappearance, and that they have been attacking innocent people for the last year and a half.

Mum21 said...

viv said...
Well Di, that certainly is a boy of about 15 to 18 sitting there, and the witness above clearly refers to 10 TAPAS as well.

As for GA, I have a feeling he is wrong to insist Maddie died that night, we all make mistakes in life but maybe he should not have written that book.

Tuesday, 3 February 2009 20:40:00 o'clock GMT

This woman has more mind changes than there are days in a year.
She outed the doc...so is Clawd next?

Rosiepops said...

To Dimwitted Dilly, could you tell me where in this statement I said that I listened to the hedgehogs beneath my window NOW or in WINTER?

I Said...

We have wild life too, we can hear the hedgehogs scratching around and we have squirrels and the odd fox that visits the front too.


Nowhere did I say or imply that I heard them now.

Dimwit Dilly, you need to take more water with it, (or stay off the booze altogether.)

Rosiepops said...

Hi Diane

The McCanns would welcome the British Police investigating the disappearance of their daughter with open arms.

Viv is just being her usual silly narcissistic self, probaly been on the same vino as her mate Dimwitted Dilly!

Rosiepops said...

Gina have you seen this?

viv said...
Well Di, that certainly is a boy of about 15 to 18 sitting there, and the witness above clearly refers to 10 TAPAS as well.

As for GA, I have a feeling he is wrong to insist Maddie died that night, we all make mistakes in life but maybe he should not have written that book.

Tuesday, 3 February 2009 20:40:00 o'clock GMT


You cannot make this woman up really can you, I Cannot be bothered with her anymore, how can you argue with a pudding head?

One point though, why on earth would witnesses have counted that there were 10 people in that party? When I am out and there is a large crowd I don't sit around counting them and if something happened and someone asked me how many of them were sat at their table, I would say I don't know, I didn't count them, why? should I have done?

Viv you get more pathetic and stupid every day.

Rosiepops said...

Nice of Viv to come around to our way of thinking, we have always said Gonc should not have written that book and Bennett should not have written his sick pamphlet either!

Gina said...

Rosiepops said...
Gina have you seen this?

Yep, I saw it, one more to add to her list of mind changes. Give it enough time and she will have nothing else left but to suggest the McCanns are innocent :-)

Gina said...

Viv said...As for GA, I have a feeling he is wrong to insist Maddie died that night, we all make mistakes in life but maybe he should not have written that book.

Too true Viv, we do all make mistakes in life, but most of us learn from them. You just keep making them

Mum21 said...

Hey Rosie, now be fair. You know you have a choir of hedgehogs, foxes, badgers, and deer outside your bedroom window each night....crooning you to sleep with their gentle song :-)))))

Mum21 said...

Rosiepops said...
Nice of Viv to come around to our way of thinking, we have always said Gonc should not have written that book and Bennett should not have written his sick pamphlet either!

03 February 2009 22:35

It is called converting the unconvertable.

Rosiepops said...

Mum21 said...
Hey Rosie, now be fair. You know you have a choir of hedgehogs, foxes, badgers, and deer outside your bedroom window each night....crooning you to sleep with their gentle song :-)))))

03 February 2009 22:59

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No what it was Mum, the deer, foxes and badgers were crooning so loudly that they woke the bloody hedgehogs up and they all came out of hibernation with a right cob on, hence why we heard them underneath our window, moaning their little sleepy heads off they were!

Mum21 said...

Viv said..

NO ROSIE I GET CLOSER EVERY DAY TO JUST WHAT YOUR "FAMILY" DID WITH LITTLE MADDIE AND IF I CAN GET CLOSE, IMAGINE WHAT THE POLICE CAN DO, TOUGH!
03 February 2009 22:33

Wednesday, 4 February 2009 02:07:00 o'clock GMT

Now Viv....this is where you go wrong...constantly! All you are doing is guessing...but always with your hatred of Gerry McCann influencing your thoughts. If you are correct in your guesswork...then we can expect to see the McCanns charged very shortly. But I won't hold my breath.
Anyone can play guessing games if they want to look stupid. Below is an example:

NO Viv I GET CLOSER EVERY DAY TO JUST WHAT AN ABDUCTER DID WITH LITTLE MADELEINE AND IF I CAN GET CLOSE, IMAGINE WHAT THE UNDERWORLD CAN DO, CRIMINAL!

You see Viv, your comment with a different slant...and another wild guess. AND THAT IS ALL IT IS...A GUESS!

I personally would prefer to stick to the "Innocent until proven guilty"...and leave the police to do the detective work. I do not go along with all these theories from bloggers...after all, that is all you are...one more blogger with nothing better to do with your time. A blogger with an unhealthy hatred towards Gerry McCann. I find that to be sick in the extreme.

Mum21 said...

Viv said...
I will keep standing up for justice for maddie and there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop me or other decent people who do just the same.
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I believe we all want justice for Madeleine...no matter what side of the fence we sit.
But Viv...there is a BIG difference between wanting justice....and carrying on an evil vendetta against a family from the comfort of a computer chair.

Gina said...

Dylan, if this gets published on here it should at least demonstrate to you that they do a least allow opposing points of view.

dylan said...
Hiya Viv,

You are welcome :-) I just wanted everbody to know what these people are like who claim that they are there for M and her family. They have never stopped laughing at me for my very public breakdown and they don't seem to care that it could have destroyed me, in fact they continue to perpetuate it. I have just said to Nancy in an email that we may write "Bum" or "Poops", but that is just silly rhyming and in no way intimates anything about their size, weight, creed or IQ. I just don't understand why they have to be so nasty and cruel and what they said about your ankle is plain wickedness. If they are grown-ups, they should be ashamed.

I am very glad that you continue to fight for justice for MM because this is why I came here in the first place. IMO, purple blog serves no purpose other than to feed off of other people's misfortunes. Madeliene included.

Keep it up, Viv!

xx

Wednesday, 4 February 2009 09:50:00 o'clock GMT

I agree with you, there has been far too much personal abuse and it is not necessary but do not loose sight of the fact that both sides have been equally guilty (in fact I have had the same thing done to me in the past by both sides and I know how hurtful it can be). However I think it is fair to say that Viv is also guilty of laughing at 2345 when she was having a public breakdown in addition to many other things and you have all encouraged her to continue.

IMO the McCanns have a lot to answer for but do you honestly think it is fair to actually accuse them of Murder, Kidnap and heavens knows what else without proof. Those who believe people should be presumed innocent until proven guilty will also fight back because they are not going to stand by and allow these accusations to continue, and so it will go on and on. My only advice to you is, if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen

christabel said...

Mum21 has left a new comment on your post "So Goncalo Amaral Hass 'Supposed' To Have Joined t...":

Viv said..

NO ROSIE I GET CLOSER EVERY DAY TO JUST WHAT YOUR "FAMILY" DID WITH LITTLE MADDIE AND IF I CAN GET CLOSE, IMAGINE WHAT THE POLICE CAN DO, TOUGH!
03 February 2009 22:33

Wednesday, 4 February 2009 02:07:00 o'clock GMT

Is this woman right in the head?
Yeh you get closer every day to the bloody loony bin!
You sad little woman.
Hows the networking going? You should change the software it doesn't hide you. NUTTER!

christabel said...

Mum,
she does this because she's getting no attention. I think she is suffering from NASS!

Anonymous said...

Dylan is it any wonder you get ridiculed. You comment that it is unnecessary to upset people who are clearly having an online breakdown, but you support Viv who has done it to many, 2345 for example. Make you mind up, it is either ok or it is not

Gina said...

Viv said..

NO ROSIE I GET CLOSER EVERY DAY TO JUST WHAT YOUR "FAMILY" DID WITH LITTLE MADDIE AND IF I CAN GET CLOSE, IMAGINE WHAT THE POLICE CAN DO, TOUGH!
03 February 2009 22:33

Can someone tell me what this is all about, is she now saying Rosie's family did something to Madeleine. My god! I know I take a very long time to make up my mind before getting off the fence about issues, but when I got off it yesterday and proclaimed Viv to be barking mad, it was based on the evidence we all see before us.

PS Thank you for posting my previous post, that says a lot to me even if Dylan misses the point

Mum21 said...

dylan said...
Hiya Viv,

You are welcome :-) I just wanted everbody to know what these people are like who claim that they are there for M and her family. They have never stopped laughing at me for my very public breakdown and they don't seem to care that it could have destroyed me, in fact they continue to perpetuate it. I have just said to Nancy in an email that we may write "Bum" or "Poops", but that is just silly rhyming and in no way intimates anything about their size, weight, creed or IQ. I just don't understand why they have to be so nasty and cruel and what they said about your ankle is plain wickedness. If they are grown-ups, they should be ashamed.

I am very glad that you continue to fight for justice for MM because this is why I came here in the first place. IMO, purple blog serves no purpose other than to feed off of other people's misfortunes. Madeliene included.

Keep it up, Viv!

xx

Wednesday, 4 February 2009 09:50:00 o'clock GMT

Dylan, you appear to suffer from short memory syndrome. It was Docmac on Viv's blog that started the nasty and personal abuse. I also believe Viv not only allowed him...but she also encouraged him to display photos of ugly old women with our names printed beneath each one.
You lot started the personal abuse...not us.
So as Gina so rightly said...if you cannot take the heat...stay out of the kitchen.

Mum21 said...

Dylan also said...
I have just said to Nancy in an email that we may write "Bum" or "Poops", but that is just silly rhyming and in no way intimates anything about their size, weight, creed or IQ.
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So you do not consider calling me "Bum" an insult?
Do you not know what it means to call a person bum?

Gina said...

Hi Mum

Oh Bum stop being picky with poor Dylan, just be grateful you did not sign in orginally as trucker 21 :-) sorry just could not resist that

Mum21 said...

Zodiac said...
Hi all,

Dylan,

Well said!

They should do something productive with their time. Like collect the hazelnuts from the cute little squirrels that visit them, then package them off to M3 to analsye. That way M3 won't have to rely on the Internet for info regarding nuts!

Wednesday, 4 February 2009 10:01:00 o'clock GMT

So Zodiac...do you consider you are doing something productive with your time? Do you call hounding a family day in..day out on the blogs and forums productive?
Because I call it plain NASTY!

I tell you something...there is more sense in watching a squirrel collecting nuts...and it is far more interesting.

Mum21 said...

Gina said...
Hi Mum

Oh Bum stop being picky with poor Dylan, just be grateful you did not sign in orginally as trucker 21 :-) sorry just could not resist that

04 February 2009 11:57

Hi Gina, I am laughing my head of here. You are on form this morning. :-)

Gina said...

Hi Mum,

Actually I am switched on this morning because I am online speaking with an estate agent who annoyed me yesterday. I have just shot them down in flames for the third time.

Re names: I am surprised that have not latched onto the fact that here in Spain a G is pronounced as H so my spanish neighbours say Hi Hina.

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Mum21 said...

Hi ST,
Most of us have gone through a really bad time in some point in our lives...I know I have. But no way even in my darkest times did I...or would I contemplate suicide as a way out. It is cowardly and it is emotional blackmail. Neither would I tell other bloggers on an open blog all about my personal problems. The internet is a great thing...but it also is a dangerous place. People like Dylan seem to be oblivous of its dangers.
Viv and co constantly accuse us of insulting them. Do they forget that they actually started the abuse way back. I always remember the time they first visited my site....and the personal abuse they hurled at me. Like these "If I was as ugly as you...no way would I put my photo up on a site" "My God, you are ugly". "Your website is like a cult". "Your poems sound like the writing of a lesbian".
All these and more were written by members of Viv's blog...followed by an even worse insult by Viv herself "I cannot help but wonder if her son is on the sex offenders register".......and they wonder why I now retaliate.

Rosiepops said...

christabel said...
Mum21 has left a new comment on your post "So Goncalo Amaral Hass 'Supposed' To Have Joined t...":

Viv said..

NO ROSIE I GET CLOSER EVERY DAY TO JUST WHAT YOUR "FAMILY" DID WITH LITTLE MADDIE AND IF I CAN GET CLOSE, IMAGINE WHAT THE POLICE CAN DO, TOUGH!
03 February 2009 22:33

Wednesday, 4 February 2009 02:07:00 o'clock GMT

Is this woman right in the head?
Yeh you get closer every day to the bloody loony bin!
You sad little woman.
Hows the networking going? You should change the software it doesn't hide you. NUTTER!

04 February 2009 11:20
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ROTFLMAO! You took the words out of my mouth Chris! I thought Viv wasn't mad just bad, now I think she is both, bad and very, very mad.

Viv, why not put some of your compo money to good use and book yourself some sessions with a good psychiatrist and get some help with your narcissistic tendencies and your obvious insanity? You sure need it.

Oh dear you have lost it big time and as my good friend Chris so succinctly puts it - NUTTER!

Rosiepops said...

dylan said...
Hiya Viv,

You are welcome :-) I just wanted everybody to know what these people are like who claim that they are there for M and her family. They have never stopped laughing at me for my very public breakdown and they don't seem to care that it could have destroyed me, in fact they continue to perpetuate it. I have just said to Nancy in an email that we may write "Bum" or "Poops", but that is just silly rhyming and in no way intimates anything about their size, weight, creed or IQ. I just don't understand why they have to be so nasty and cruel and what they said about your ankle is plain wickedness. If they are grown-ups, they should be ashamed.

I am very glad that you continue to fight for justice for MM because this is why I came here in the first place. IMO, purple blog serves no purpose other than to feed off of other people's misfortunes. Madeliene included.

Keep it up, Viv!

xx

Wednesday, 4 February 2009 09:50:00 o'clock GMT

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Sorry? What have I supposed to have said about Nancy's ankle? I do not recall knowing anything about her leg, so how could I have commented on it?
However, if you are flinging accusations like this at us, ask your leader Viv what she said about my arthritic fingers, where her and Notdoc were laughing at me because they think I have arthritis, a crippling and degenerative condition, when they managed to stop laughing at my pain, they even said they would send me a wreath when I died!
FFS Dylan open your eyes, where did you ever read anything remotely like this on this blog or our forum? NEVER, but your leader, the "lovely" Viv, who you suck up to daily and lick her fat backside, has said this about me and much worse!
Get Your facts straight BEFORE you accuse and make an even bigger fool of yourself than you have already.

Your public breakdown Dylan? Is this another time you are going into victim mode? I do not feel sorry for you at all, I feel sorry for your poor children. I begged you to take their names of the internet and to stop mentioning those intimate details about them and what did you do? You named them all over again, encouraged by that half witted lying fantasist, the very mad, very bad narcissistic Viv, who has been lying to you by telling you she is a solicitor all the while you have been posting on her filthy blog (and naming your children). She actually encouraged you to name your children, while saying she was not naming her grandchildren as their names were Sacrosanct! Did that not resonate with you and strike you as grossly hypocritical? Remember the time you were begging her for her "professional" advice? Did she give it to you? Nope, she tried to front it out and ignored you and only when your pleas got louder and more desperate and you started to embarrass her, did she finally fling you a couple of websites she had Googled. You received better advice and more concern from this side of the fence, than you did from your lying narcissistic leader.
Did this open your eyes? Did it heck, here you are as stupid and as gullible as ever, offering yourself for more of the same lies and deceit. Foolish woman. I did not laugh at your breakdown, neither did I laugh or find remotely funny the breakdown of 2345, but Viv and Claudia did. Even Docmac tried to get Viv to do something about 2345, but of course she ignored him, like she ignored us, when for weeks we had been screaming at you stupid lot that something serious was happening to that poor woman.

We are here for Madeleine and her parents and you have no idea what we do in 'real' time, so if you want to stop making yourself look even sillier in the future, you should stop saying things like that, because you have no idea how idiotic you are going to make yourself look.


As far as insults go, I and mum in particular have born the brunt of some disgusting insults from you and and your leader and others over there in the filthy hole. Too many and too numerous to count, but if you would like to check out the facts BEFORE you accuse us in future, just check out that filthy disgusting hole of place you post on, you will not have to look too far before you come across the insults towards Mum and myself. If you cannot be bothered to check your facts out, then stop making dimwitted accusations.

Just this morning your nutcase leader Viv has threatened me publicly on her blog AGAIN! She has made a serious allegation, which is libellous in the extreme. What have you to say about this? Or is this OK for her to do, because you do not want to challenge her because you are scared she will chuck you off of her blog and you will have nowhere to go.

As usual, you people can dish it out but you cannot take it. As for bum and Poops, I think you are so unbelievably childish and stupid, sticks and stones and all that, but hey what ever turns you on Dillydimwit.

I continue to perpetuate your breakdown? If you want to sort your life out Dylan, get a grip and stop blaming everyone else for your problems, you are NOT blameless! What the hell is your breakdown to do with me? I do not know you, I do not know or want to know anything about you, stop playing the bloody victim and for goodness sake grow up!

Dylan said...

"Keep it up viv!"

Keep what up the lies? The filthy deceit? The brow beating bullying?

Viv has been caught lying many times, I wonder just how many times she will have to be caught out lying to you all before the lot of you realise that she is using you all and could not care less about any of you?

Gina said...

Ok, I admit it, I haven't got a clue what some of the posts mean anymore. I asked this morning what Viv was going on about regards Rosie's family involvement with Madeleine, now I have just read this. What the hell is Nancy talking about

nancy said...
Did anyone read the statement by an ex-cleaner of the McCanns, on 3A's, name of AMANDA COXON. She became a close friend and has nothing but good to say about them. Mind you it was years ago, and people can change markedly over the years, which the McCanns seem to have done, because they were very protective of Madeleine in those days, - circa 2000.

Was Madeleine around circa 2000. ??? If you talk in riddles Nancy then it is obvious that things will be misunderstood

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Rosiepops said...

Hi Gina,

That was Viv threatening me publicly again! She has got it into her head that I am a family member and I know what happened to Madeleine.

Of course if I were all the things she has accused me of being, I would be many different people. But if I were to know the latest of what she has accused me of and a crime has been committed by this family, this would make me complicit in a heinous crime.

She has then made a threat to me about how close she is to me and that the police can get closer.

I really hope that Viv has reported this to the LP and I get to speak to someone about it, this is so absurd that it is ridiculous!Viv has finally lost it, she is barking mad and a narcissist!

She keeps threatening me too!

Just a short while ago she accused me of threatening her (I did no such thing) however, she came on here and furiously posted a direct threat to me telling me what would happen tome if I threatened her again!

Realising how stupid she had made herself look she deleted her own post! Too late we had already seen it.

She also went on the 3 A's, caused mayhem and havoc, backbiting etc and made libellous comments about someone, causing them to lock down two threads.

Astonishingly, even though this had sweet fanny Adams to do with me, she tried to blame me for what she had done!

They saw through her though and now they think she is barking mad with a serious drink problem.

Viv is a basket case Gina!

Rosiepops said...

Hi ST

I agree what Viv wrote about Mum's son was despicable, I am still in shock that she could think it was OK to write such a thing.

She and the doc have accused me of being a psychopath, a terrorist, they have said I support child abuse, they have made reference that I am a bad mother (despite also posting that I am a man)
Dylan constantly refers to me as Poops or 'It' etc. I have seen myself referred to as psychopoops and all the rest of it, yet Dylan writes that self pitying post and has the cheek to blame us for the ills in her own life?

This kind of attitude of hers is probably why her life got into such a state, perpetually blaming someone else!

Dylan is in victim mode again.

And as for Zodiac, has the audacity to ask us what we are doing, when all Zodiac does is sit around levelling terrible insults and accusations and writing the most hurtful of things at two people who's daughter is missing.
Hypocrite!

christabel said...

Gina,
another twisted to suit post by Nancy.

nancy said...
Did anyone read the statement by an ex-cleaner of the McCanns, on 3A's, name of AMANDA COXON. She became a close friend and has nothing but good to say about them. Mind you it was years ago, and people can change markedly over the years, which the McCanns seem to have done, because they were very protective of Madeleine in those days, - circa 2000.

Was Madeleine around circa 2000. ??? If you talk in riddles Nancy then it is obvious that things will be misunderstood.

What she refers to is from the 3A's and should read:-

Page 54 (PJ Refª XIII) Identified as a domestic worker of the McCann family – Amanda Coxon is employed to take care of the children and help with domestic tasks. Coxon is due to be interviewed and her statement will be the subject of another register.

Does that sound like years ago?
She obviously doesn't know they lived in Amsterdam till all of 2004and returned 2005.
So it seems Amanda was working for them before they went to Portugal.
No points for home work Nancy lol.

Anonymous said...

Rosiepops said...
viv said...
I just had a look at their blog and it is uncanncy, since I put a link to it on 3 As pointing out people may be shocked the conversation has focussed on two things I dearly love, gardens and wildlife, ah at last they see the beauty in life!

Tuesday, 3 February 2009 09:19:00 o'clock GMT
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As I do not read your filthy blog, I have no idea what you are talking about or what links you have put up.
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So where did you get the quote from then? From reading the blog.

Gina said...

Thanks for the explanation Christabel. I never read the 3A's so I had not seen that post. Not only did she get it all wrong she also suggests the McCanns used to be protective towards Madeleine, circa 2000 (before she was born in fact). Mind boggling theory, I will give that one some thought.

Gina said...

Rosie, what can I say. TBH I had no idea that so many dreadful and unnecessary things have be said. I am guilty myself of popping at you, but I seem to recall I used to ask you to keep your posts shorter because I was loosing the will to live wading through them, and things like that. Heaven knows why they get angry you give as good as you get. But is there any point now you are sure they are all either drunk or barking mad.

Change the thread, let's talk about squirrels instead of the nuts.

Rosiepops said...

Sounds like a case of sour grapes to me Nancy!

Bet you would have revelled in it if Amanda had only bad things to say about them! Your Fat Blog Controller, (Vile Viv) would have had her Cannonised and given pride of place on the blogs Roll of Hate.

I see you four are all on it anyhow.

Rosiepops said...

Gina, to be honest it is all water off a ducks back now, I take absolutely no notice of their names and just give it back to them.
It is their blatant hypocrisy that gets me.
I give it back to them sometimes because I feel sorry for them, after all if they did not have Mum and me, who would they talk about?

Now they have a leader that is changing her colours like a chameleon! they are totally bizarre.

Gina said...

Rosie,

Glad it is water of a ducks back and it has not driven you quackers.

Off to bed now nite all

Rosiepops said...

Nite Gina

Let's hope the vile one's webbed toes don't trip her up too much.

Do you know that she searches for herself on Google as Vile Viv? pmsl

Gina said...

Rosie said ..Do you know that she searches for herself on Google as Vile Viv? pmsl

Why is she looking for herself doesn't she know who or where she is. Is this what happens to people with multiple identities, they have to search to try and remember who they are and what they said. Maybe if she just googled talking a load of bo..ocks all her identities would appear on the same page.

I am really going now :-)

Rosiepops said...

rotflmao

goodnight Gina.

Anonymous said...

Psychopaths inflate their CVs;

Oh dearie me, for the best laugh ever you've got to read the first post on Viv's new thread.

Mum21 said...

Hi Anon,
I loved this bit:

Viv said..
Psychopaths are sometimes able to convince themselves that the alternate, self-aggrandizing version of reality they've told others--their lies, that is--are true.
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Nobody could have summed Viv up better than she has done herself.
Well done, Viv

Anonymous said...

Michael Wright is a relative of Kate's by marriage, his wife's mother is the sister of Kate's mother and lives in the Isle of Man, lots of people think this is Rosie?

Now Rosie for goodness sake try to keep up, you are lagging behind!

Are you ready for this Rosie? You are NOT Phil, Gerry or Jon Corner any longer you are now either Michael Wright or the sister of Kate's mother, which would make you her aunt. (Get you English sorted Viv, it's hard enough to follow your mad ramblings at the best of times.)

Anonymous said...

Viv Said....

He received a phone call around 11pm on 3rd May from his wife's mother informing him that Madeleine had been taken from her bed. Between 10am and 11am that morning he again spoke with Kate who wanted her parents to join them in Portugal.
Michael went out to Portugal on 5th May and initially stayed above Kate and Gerry on the Mark Warner complex. He returned to the UK on 11th May but made five further trips to Portugal;


So what? Have you not got any real friends Viv? This is what any close friend would do for you faced with that awful situation. Why do you feel the need to take what is an innocent statement and then try your best to sully it? You really are filthy minded. It is exactly this kind of thing and your mad obsessions that drove me and the others away. I realise now that you were attempting to brainwash us. I would not post on your blog again for anything!

Anonymous said...

Here it is in all its 'bonkers' splendour. Isn't this person a real piece of dirty work?


viv said...
Not exactly on topic but another great post from Weary:

Psychopaths inflate their CVs; didn't Gerry let on that he was a heart surgeon early on? Heart surgeons have a good deal of status, even among doctors. He's not a heart surgeon. I'd also love to find evidence that he saved the life of someone during a plane flight, other than his word on it; you'd think that the grateful person and the adoring press in the UK would be trumpeting Gerry's praises to the skies. Perhaps he was just misquoted about these things; it's certainly possible, but it's also possible to suspect an inflated CV--which is an instance of lying, something that psychopaths are given to.

I don't know if the files make clear whether the McCanns originally claimed that an abductor got in the window, which, like the shutter, was open, or if it is a long-held myth that they changed their stories and later announced that they'd left the doors to the flat open (and that sounds like a total song and dance to me, but perhaps I live in one of the other places in the world--places where people know that opportunistic thefts occur, and lock their doors accordingly). Psychopaths do have a tendency to violence--Gerry walking out of several interviews angrily certainly isn't violent, but suggests he's a hothead. (Of course, many people are, without necessarily being violent.)

Psychopaths are sometimes able to convince themselves that the alternate, self-aggrandizing version of reality they've told others--their lies, that is--are true. The McCanns DID leave their children alone, out of their sight and hearing, for nights--and who knows, perhaps in Rothley and/or on other holidays, too?--and have never admitted that they were in the wrong to do so; to the contrary, they seem to see themselves as advocates of children, and traveled to the European Parliament in order to flog an alert system that would be irrelevant in a country with open borders, like Portugal. Kate seems to see herself as such an advocate of children that, without ever admitting the wrongdoing which led to her own child vanishing, she spoke of wanting to be a board member or figurehead of an organization for the parents of missing children, if I remember correctly. (Funny, they didn't seem to want her.) Now THAT's delusional thinking. Even if Madeleine was abducted, the parents have a great deal of responsibility for that. They're not the ideal advocates of child welfare.

I think that the fact that SS visited them indicates that there was serious concern about their fitness as parents; contrary to the lie the McCanns told, the SS is overwhelmed with cases, and they do not drop by for biscuits and a friendly chat as the world press looks on. They showed up, and it was because they worried about Sean and Amelie (and so much for a government cover-up; the government seems to have been concerned about the two people who were most at risk of being neglected or harmed. That's who the government wants to protect.) Immediately afterward the McCanns stopped circulating pictures with the twins' faces on them. I'd imagine that wasn't a coincidence. SS may also have laid down other rules designed to keep the twins safe, such as an arrangement so that the parents are not left alone with the twins. I don't know. Claiming that SS dropped by for a chat? A self-serving lie of the kind psychopaths tell in hopes of tricking people.

I don't know the McCanns, but I do have a family member who was a psychopath, and I don't see them behind every door, believe me, but I have wondered from time to time if the McCanns might have tendencies towards that and/or other personality disorders. I do know that a psychopath is the last person who sees himself as being mentally ill or in the wrong; it's crucial to speak to family members and other frequent contacts--friends, employers, employees, and so on--to even start to diagnose one (or decide the diagonosis is wrong.)

Their T7 "friends" don't seem to have been that fond of Gerry, from what I can gather, though if Gerry actually is a psychopath he wouldn't ever have realized it. He'd think he was the life of the party and the group leader whom all the rest admired.

Thursday, 5 February 2009 01:58:00 o'clock GMT

Anonymous said...

Dylan is picking on Kate McCann again. Hey Dylan, does it help your low self esteem to pick on Kate McCann? So obviously everything you are not but would like to be? Is that why you keep trying to bully her? You are very spiteful Dylan.


dylan said...
Good morning all,

Nancy - very well said! Kate's comments were particularly ridiculous. I cannot believe that a doctor could be so persistently obtuse as to not realise that leaving your young ones behind to look after themselves is dangerous because they could have had an accident!! I don't know what the probability is, but I would say that an accident is around a thousand times greater than the chances of being abducted! Small wonder that Kate encountered 5 deaths in her part time work!

Viv, I think that the extended family, all tipping up to help, is a case of safety in numbers ;-)

Have a good day all. xx

Thursday, 5 February 2009 09:46:00 o'clock GMT

Anonymous said...

Nasty Nancy another playground bully!

nancy said...
Hi Viv -

Thanks for the new thread and info on just how Michael Wright fits into the picture. It's amazing how all these long lost cousins and other relatives and friends have come out of the woodwork and jumped on the media bandwagon since Maddie went missing. I notice that Madeleine hardly got a mention in his statement. Just like the McCanns and their pals, Madeleine seems to be the least of their worries.

I couldn't believe the words that Kate and Gerry came out with. Gerry saying it was just as if he was mowing the lawn and the children were in the bedroom. Is he delusional or what? There is no comparison to that and going out eating and drinking without being able to see the apartment and what was going on!

As for Kate's pathetic statement about if she had put the children in the car there would be a greater chance of an accident than someone taking them from their beds. That's just rubbish, because the reason she was taken, that's if she was, is because they went out and left them all. When we take children in our cars, we put their seat belts on and do all we can to protect them. If there is an accident, unless we are drunk or something, it is certainly not our fault!

Those remarks just show how out of touch with reality those two are. What they are trying to do is make excuses for their appallingly neglectful behaviour, instead of facing up to their wrongdoing and advising others never to do the same.

Why the hell these two were in Belgium promoting the Amber Alert is something I'll never fathom!

And just how can Sandy Cameron justify his remark that they are not offering a ransom for the return of Maddie but that they don't rule it out if something comes up to warrant it, or words to that effect?

If they really thought that Maddie was out there somewhere, that would have been the very first thing any parents would have done.

In fact, most animal lovers who lose a pet immediately put up a reward for it's safe return!

And most parents would have sold all their possessions to add to the reward but not that selfish, heartless pair of child neglectors. They just spend a minute amount of the vast fund on looking for their child. How can they justify that and why is it that some people swallow their lies.

Just who are they all trying to kid?

You can fool some of the people some of the time, but never all of the people all of the time, as they say!

Thursday, 5 February 2009 08:55:00 o'clock GMT

Gina said...

Anon 9.46 I tend to agree with Dylan's point to a point

dylan said...
, I cannot believe that a doctor could be so persistently obtuse as to not realise that leaving your young ones behind to look after themselves is dangerous because they could have had an accident!! I don't know what the probability is, but I would say that an accident is around a thousand times greater than the chances of being abducted!

............................

I would not have put it quite that way but I think most of us agreed long ago that it was wrong and dangerous to leave such small children. I also agree that the chances of an accident were far greater than an abduction. What is becoming clear to me however, is that as Viv is constantly changing her views and leading her posters around in circles, the only thing they have to clutch to now is what we all know as fact, they left the kids. Everything else is pure speculation

BTW Rosie what is the weather like in the Isle of wight :-)

Gina said...
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Gina said...

BTW before someone shoots me down in flames re my last comment I want to say that whilst I accept we cannot actually watch over our kids 24/7, and I have read Kate's comments that it was no different to leaving the kids alone whilst mowing the lawn. I am sorry I do not accept it to be similar at all.
Who mows the lawn at night which is the time any child is more vunerable & distressed if woken, add to that they are not in their own bed at home but in another country with unfamiliar surroundings and sounds then conclude as I did, anything could have happened between half hour checks and they should have paid for a babysitter. end of on that one, I will never be persuaded otherwise.

Mum21 said...

Hi Gina,
I also will never understand why they felt it was safe to leave the children alone. I agree you cannot watch over them 24/7....but there is a limit.

I notice Viv is making a fool of herself over on the 3A's again. They really have her measure there...so it appears it is not just the Pro's who think she is mad.
Below is one comment made just a few moments ago:


bonnybraes1 Post subject: Re: Bennett, Lies and SacrilegePosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:44 pm

PR Spokesman


Joined: Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:46 pm
Posts: 7657
Location: watching the parcel of rogues

Well, I have indeed had a look at your blog, viv, and found these gems, amongst others:

______________________________

viv said...
Not amusing at all but worth quoting, clearly this man will do anything for money, the only question is does he act for himself or Kate and Gerry McCann. This is the man who pursues what he fully acknowledges to be hopeless legal actions against them, based primarily on their child neglect. The thing is that is main plank of the McCanns defence. Maddie was abducted because they neglected her and left the door open. Not that I believe that. "They have taken her" "we have let her down". These comments imply Kate McCann knew exactly who had taken her. So who did she know was in that apartment, that night, with Madeleine. Her undertakers or her abusers? This man has chatted to Clarence Mitchell on the phone, clearly another, who would sell his soul to the devil. This man has no scruples, when employed as a solicitor he acted for clients behind his employers back. Dishonest and bringing the profession into disrepute as the Law Society found. He still is!
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Accusing Mr Bennett of being in the pay of the McCanns because he objects to child neglect - not to mention selling his soul to the devil - just about says it all.

Rosiepops said...

On the subject of leaving the children.
Gina I would not try and persuade you differently, you have a right to your opinion, however I would just like to add my particular thoughts on this.

To leave a child in these circumstances and provide no care at all, would be IMO 100% wrong, but they did not do this.
We all have different approaches to child rearing on what we do and not do. I know I am in the minority when I say that I do not believe in smacking children, there are arguments on both sides of this debate, but I do not see that physically hurting a child can be excused because that child is naughty. To me this is teaching a child it is OK to use their hands if they do not get what they want.
The McCanns obviously thought it was OK to leave their children when they were asleep in their beds, provided that they kept an eye on them. The chances of the child being abducted probably never occurred to them, would it to any of us?

Whatever the rights or wrongs the children had every right to stay safely in their beds without being abducted.

I would like to ask why we are still talking about this? It happened, right or wrong it can't be undone, this constant focusing on this is just futile.

This is allowing the abductor off of the hook Scott free. They must be laughing their socks off that this issue is till allowing them to walk free after doing what they have done.

Gina said...

Rosie, I was only making the point about leaving the kids by way of demonstrating that Dylan has now reverted back to that as it is the only thing that she knows for sure. Viv has turned her every which way but loose about everything else.

I take on board all your points regards what the McCanns did, and I agree none of us would even consider an abduction, but it is the fact that they left 3 small kids in an apartment with all the possible dangers within that I do not accept and never will. It has been proven something can happen within half an hour, because it did. I would not be so anti about what they did if it only happened once, and as I said before many times, I consider the rest of the group to be just as irresponsible, although whoever it was that had a listening device made a little more effort IMO.

I think it prudent if we drop this subject now, as we have been head to head on this many times and what is done is done and a high price has been paid for it. No point in us going over it and giving Viv something else to bang on about. In fact if you wish to remove my posts on the subject to prevent this, it is fine by me

Gina said...

Hi Mum

It seems to me from what people are saying that Viv spends more time on the 3A's than her own blog.

I find the 3A's too much bother to read, too many threads, and repeating posts with one line reply under them. It seems that those who read it post links to anything that may be worth reading and then I occasionally take a look only to find it was not worth the bother

Mum21 said...

Hi Gina,
You are right..Viv is spending more and more time on the 3A's and neglecting her remaining few members on her blog.
But she is not very popular on the 3A's...and today she was shot down in flames by two of the main mods on there. Thus Viv made this reply to Bonny.



viv Post subject: Re: Bennett, Lies and SacrilegePosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:42 pm

First Time Offender

Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:58 pm
Posts: 606

"Bonny wrote:

"poor child suffering from carsickness.
There are pages, and pages. And pages of it."


You really worry me sometimes Bonny because you sound just like someone else I could mention who also really resents my blog!

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It appears that Rosie(according to Viv) is now also Bonny on the 3A's.

How do you manage to be in so many places at the same time Rosie?
You must have a cuboard full of hats.

Mum21 said...

Sorry typing error...should be "cupboard"

Gina said...

Mum maybe Viv would like to use this as her latest explanation as to how Rosie can post from so many places within a short space of time

"She has a private jet and a her main home is in Malta"

Gina said...

Mum, I thought in the main the 3A's posters are anti, therefore I presumed (probably wrongly) that the mods are anti. If this is the case then Viv is doing very well isn't she, she now has managed to get anti's shooting her down in flames too. Give credit where it is due, this is a great achievement

Rosiepops said...

Anonymous said...
Rosiepops said...
viv said...
I just had a look at their blog and it is uncanncy, since I put a link to it on 3 As pointing out people may be shocked the conversation has focussed on two things I dearly love, gardens and wildlife, ah at last they see the beauty in life!

Tuesday, 3 February 2009 09:19:00 o'clock GMT

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As I do not read your filthy blog, I have no idea what you are talking about or what links you have put up.
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So where did you get the quote from then? From reading the blog.

04 February 2009 20:33

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You really are thick. I got it from here, someone else brought it over. Look first before you accuse you stupid person.

I am not surprised though, this is what you lot do all the time accuse people without checking your facts first.

The lot of you (or should I say the four of you?) are all as thick as two short planks.

By the way chief thick head (Viv( please do something about your spelling it is appalling, uncanny only has one 'c' and focused one 's'.

Notdoc will be very cross with you.

Rosiepops said...

Gina,

No problem and I do not wish to remove your posts you are free to post what you wish here, people do not have to agree on everything. I just wanted to point out the bit about the abductor getting away free, because it seems these abductor/s, do not even get mentioned and it is they that are the real criminals.

But you feel free to post what you wish. :-)

Rosiepops said...

Gina

Where am I supposed to be now? rotflmao

Anonymous said...

See Vile keeps mentioning Rosipops name while causing more trouble at the 3As. I think at the minute Rosie has more respect on that forum than Viv. Everytime she gets into a corner she mentions Rosies name trying to get people to slag her off. Keep trying Viv, you are so entertaining.

Anonymous said...

Vile is accusing Tony Bennett of bombarding the Mccanns with mail. I think I remember a hand delivered letter to Kates mother which Viv didn't seem to mind about. Hypocrite.

Anonymous said...

This is a truthful post and I hope it is not met with sarcasm.

When I first arrived at Vivs blog almost 18 months ago (I think) I was angry at the Mccanns for leaving Maddie unattended but did not consider them to be involved in anything else. Within a matter of weeks she had me convinced that they were guilty of something more sinister. I honestly don't know why I believed what she said but I did. I even argued with people on this blog with whom I had once debated with quite amicably on the DE. My husband thought I was going crazy and was being manipulated by a nutter. I was becoming obsessed with posting/reading and making comments that were totally out of character for me. Over time I noticed that her posts were becoming more worrying/desperate and started to realise that what I was doing was totally insane. I had always considered myself to have quite a strong personality and one which wasn't easily led but admit that I was totally taken in. My husband laughed the other day when I told him about Viv changing her mind and was now trying to convince her remaining posters that a different sequence of events had taken place. Anyway the point of my post is that I can see that the same thing which happened to me has obviously happened to the once quite sane posters of Viv's blog. Of course they will disagree with me because they are still under her spell and will more than likely laugh at this post like I probably once would have. I have certainly noticed a difference in their posts now as compared to when they first started posting, they have changed so much. Don't give them such a hard time, they will wake up eventually and realise that they have been used by such a manipulator. I hope so anyway for thier own sanity.

Mum21 said...

Rosie, you are now supposed to be in Scotland.

Well, I mentioned earlier that Viv had taken a hammering on the 3A's and her new buddies "Bren" and "Bonny"..... are no longer her buddies.

For a little light entertainment I will post a few of the comments made to Viv.
But first here is Viv trying to pass the buck when in a corner.
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viv Post subject: Re: Bennett, Lies and SacrilegePosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:25 pm

First Time Offender

Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:58 pm
Posts: 627

i have always been incredibly unpopular with rosie et al, a source of great delight to me, hitting then where it hurts.
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Oh dear Viv...I thought you said it was us that attacked you.

Mum21 said...

otleepseely Post subject: Re: Bennett, Lies and SacrilegePosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:34 pm

Mafia Boss

Joined: Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:23 pm
Posts: 2685

Didn't take long for viv to start posting again on a thread against TB.

Didn't we hear all she had to say on the 60 reasons thread. Get over it viv. The book has been published and no matter what you say or do on here it has been bought by a good many people.

Maybe you feel a bit put out because TB "has gained attention" whereas you have been blogging for over a year now but you don't seem to have got very much?

aawwww.

Mum21 said...

bonnybraes1 Post subject: Re: Bennett, Lies and SacrilegePosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:40 pm

PR Spokesman


Joined: Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:46 pm
Posts: 7670
Location: watching the parcel of rogues

So, viv, you went from being a lawyer to a probation officer?

Rosiepops said...

Mum, who am I now? I am Michael wright, Jon Corner, Phil, Gerry, Kate's aunt and now I am Bonni from the 3 A's?

Sorry Bonni I think Viv has lost her marbles!

Mum21 said...

bonnybraes1 Post subject: Re: Bennett, Lies and SacrilegePosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:01 pm

PR Spokesman


Joined: Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:46 pm
Posts: 7672
Location: watching the parcel of rogues

Viv, you have accused Mr Bennett of, amongst other things, being in league with the devil, and anyone who dares disagree with you being paid by the McCanns/Rosiepops/double agents/pick your own description.
Pot, meet kettle?

Mum21 said...

This one is funny....the punch line is at the bottom
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mumbles Post subject: Re: Bennett, Lies and SacrilegePosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:49 pm

Mafia Boss


Joined: Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:17 pm
Posts: 2095

"Bren wrote:
Sorry viv, but throughout this thread you have basically said that Tony Bennett is harassing the McCanns and persecuting them. The book and the request for inquest leave you with this opinion. Therefore do you not think that this forum aswell as your blog could be seen as harassing and persecuting the McCanns? Many people have given this link out, leaflets have been produced in the past with the web address on, links are put on other forums and blogs with the link to this forum, you see I just can't get my head around that you think Tony Bennett is persecuting them and on that logic so are blogs and forums. Every letter that is written to the press, home office etc. is persecution in your logic of things, when you are stating that Tony Bennett should leave things to the police then do you think we should aswell?

Therefore if you feel that, yes we are persecuting why not take the moral high ground and close your blog and not post on any forums about the case. You see I do not class it as persecution or harassment, I class it as informed choice. People have a right to know the truth and people have a right to show their upset and astonishment of the audacity of two people that leave children alone for their own enjoyment and then play the victim."



Hear hear!!

(if you're still watching Viv... notice how it's spelt.)

Mum21 said...

And here is the diamond of all diamonds
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Bren Post subject: Re: Bennett, Lies and SacrilegePosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:08 pm

PR Spokesman


Joined: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:10 pm
Posts: 7517
Location: Whenever you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

Viv, you go about leaving the authorities to do their job. Duarte Levy again has printed stuff that proves beyond a shadow of doubt that the Rogatory interviews were iffy at the least. We all know that Police Officers get their orders from above. Eventually the buck stops with the Home Office. How the hell is justice going to be won if orders are coming from higher up?

Those rogatory interviews are full of discrepancies and inconsistences, anybody knows that a normal citizen would have been hauled in and re-interviewed. Why have the Tapas crew not be treated like every other citizen?

And as for a fair trial, do you honestly think that they have not collated the stuff already to use in court to get an unfair trial verdict. Just because your blog shuts down when they are charged does not mean that they won't use anything before the date of charging.

And how can you state, "there is a huge amount of evidence they have that we know nothing about", if there was this huge amount of evidence then they would have been charged. I am sorry to say but nobody knows what is in those other documents and who is singing like a bird. For all we know they might never be able to get them for Madeleines demise but can get them on other charges.

And when you post comments like this on your blog, it just makes it look like it is all a game to you viv. Sorry but after reading your blog and this comment you have gone down in my estimation.


Quote:
viv said...
Hiya guys forgive my absence

I have had an arduous day on 3 As exposing some little Pro McCanns which I think was a worthwhile task!

xxx

Mum21 said...

Rosiepops said...
Mum, who am I now? I am Michael wright, Jon Corner, Phil, Gerry, Kate's aunt and now I am Bonni from the 3 A's?

Sorry Bonni I think Viv has lost her marbles!

05 February 2009 21:37

Rosie, I do believe Bonny has at last worked that out for herself :-)

Rosiepops said...

Hi Anon 19.46

Thanks for your post and you are welcome to post here, no matter what your views are, we are easy going. Despite what Viv says about me/us - lol.

Glad you saw what was happening, did you see what happened to poor 2345?
That was extremely sad and very uncomfortable to witness, we tried very hard to warn Viv what was happening, but they ignored us!
As for the rest of them, we give them a hard time basically because they keep on accusing the McCanns, bullying Kate and saying the most absurd and hateful things. It is hard to keep quiet when you see two people being abused and lied about daily, who are in great pain and distress.
If we didn't say anything to them they may go on thinking it is OK to abuse grieving people and it is isn't, it is totally unacceptable!

Anyhow, really glad you are out of there and you are much happier.

Anonymous said...

How odd that when Amaral and what's his name wrote their books, Viv wasn't condemning them? As a matter of fact she was very much a big supporter - couldn't wait for the books to be translated into English, blah, blah, now she complains about TB. She is one sick person.

Tinkerbell43 said...

Anon 19:46pm.

Thanks and respect to you. I'm glad you had the strength of mind to get out when you did.

I have often genuinely worried for the mental well being of some.

Take the pro & anti out of it, what she is doing over there is not healthy. We have often likened it to brainwashing and I'm just so pleased you have been able to stand back and see it for yourself.

I'm not using your post to point score, I am being genuine when I say, like you, I sincerely hope the remaining few who post on Viv's site wake up too and get their lives back.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for replying Rosie.

Regardless of what everyone thinks of this case and all the differing opinions I hope I am right in beleiving that you, Bren and Bonny would never encourage the nervous breakdown posts/childrens sexual activities posts/naming of children posts etc on their forums. I am sure you would all advise posters to PM and offer advice That is the difference and it stands out a mile.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Tinkerbell.

Rosiepops said...

Anonymous said...
How odd that when Amaral and what's his name wrote their books, Viv wasn't condemning them? As a matter of fact she was very much a big supporter - couldn't wait for the books to be translated into English, blah, blah, now she complains about TB. She is one sick person.

05 February 2009 22:00

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Yes and wasn't it Viv that allowed the translation of the book into English to take place on her blog?

Two faced!

Tinkerbell43 said...

Rosie, Vile has more faces than Big Ben, and enough personalities to go to group therapy on her own, lol.

Gina said...

Rosie 18.21 Thanks

Anon 19.46 The only thing that I can thank Viv for was banning me. I doubt I would ever have sucked up to her but the banning alleviated the risk. I am glad you saw the light and believe me many have tried to make others see the same for their own sake even though they do not share the same views. It is a shame you posted anon because a name others can identify with stands a better chance of making an impact. However, it is your choice and I guess you have your reasons. Viv will never admit another one has jumped ship so anytime now Rosie will be accused of being Anon 19.46 :-)

Anonymous said...
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Mum21 said...

Rosie, this is why I asked.

Wizard said...
Viv,
RP is from the Isle of Man and as you point out some think she is Michael Wright …well could be. I would think she is certainly associated with him in someway hence her claims of being in the know.

Thursday, 5 February 2009 17:57:00 o'clock GMT

Good heavens Rosie...you do get about. Scotland, and now the Isle of Man. Do you think you could find time to pop down to the South coast?

Rosiepops said...

Tinks, when Viv goes to a meeting she has to have a row of chairs just for herself!

Oh and today I have been Michael Wright, Kate's aunt and now I am Bonn on the 3 A's?

Yep Bonni,no matter that we are poles apart! Still she thinks Bennett is colluding with the McCanns! lol

Still she provides entertainment and as mum says, she has managed the impossible and p****d off the antis and the pros lol

Mum21 said...

Rosie, it is too late for Viv now...she has gone the same way as 2345.

viv said...
are the British Government Guilty of re-programming the hedgehogs and did Tony Blair issue a D notice about it?

Thursday, 5 February 2009 18:46:00 o'clock GMT

viv said...
did SOCA, Detective Superintendent Stuart Prior, Mrs Justice whatever and Dr Goncalo Amaral orchestrate a sickening cover up and deliberately lose the DVD evidence of said re-programming of hedgehogs?

Thursday, 5 February 2009 18:48:00 o'clock GMT

Rosiepops said...

Gina,

Viv blames me for everything. Each time she gets into a scrape on the 3 a's, she mentions me and tries to blame me! I hink I have been three different people today alone!

Personally I think she is making the 3 A's look ridiculous.

Mum21 said...

Rosie,

Personally the 3A's think she is making the 3 A's look ridiculous.
But she just won't give up!

Rosiepops said...

Mum, so know she is picking on hedgehogs? LOL

Gina said...

Di said...
Hi Viv

I think it is good to keep an open mind and discuss all possibilities.

I have seen many people on 3A's who have had a hardened line look for new angles and consider new theories, not always pleasantly I must admit!........

Well done Di, that is what I have been saying all along. DISCUSS all possibilities by all means but do not accuse without facts and evidence. BTW ALL possibilities should include the abduction theory too.

Off to bed now, good night all

Rosiepops said...

Hi ST

Don't know if you have had time to look around today? It appears Viv is having a mental breakdown!

I have been three different people today, all in different locations.

Mum

I'll be down your way around 12 midnight or there abouts, could you leave the porch light on? Shall I use my key or ring the bell?
The helicopter should be OK to touchdown in the back field?

Gina said...

Rosiepops said...
Gina,

Viv blames me for everything.

................................

Well surely you do not think that she is going to blame herself.

Gina said...

Rosie stop telling porkies, you know you have not got a helicopter and that you travel on one of those Harry Potter whatstherename broomsticks. Be warned I will expose you if you tell lies :-)

Really going whooosh

Rosiepops said...

Wizard,

If you do not want to end up the same as Viv, give it up.
Do you even know how seriously deranged you appear?

Do you honestly think that I am Michael Wright? If you do you have a serious mental health problem.

Mum21 said...

Good Night Gina,
Sleep well.

Anonymous said...

Good night Gina,
Take care.

Rosiepops said...

Gina,

I traded that in ages ago for the chopper! RB got me a spiffing deal!

Rosiepops said...

Gina

They have such fun playing the game of Guess who Rosie really is, I haven't the heart to reveal who I really am, they wouldn't believe me anyway!

Mum21 said...

Well just make sure you don't scare the hedgehogs out of hibernation when you land that noisy machine :-)

Gina said...

Viv has finally worked it all out!!
She only needs to include the abduction theory to this and she has covered every possibility - on my broomstick again, opening the door 1st this time and whooooshing off. Gone....

viv said...
Di, a clever hoax, well it does seem bizarre but I have to admit when I really think it all through that is just what it looks like to me. The motive money and they know Maddie is OK.

I just believe there are so many indications this was planned and deliberate and ther are so many family members even that are helping them, I am just struggling to believe they would so so if they believe they murdered Maddie.

The other alternative hardly bears thinking about in relation to her being taken alive but again, I do think that is possible also and it kind of fits with the Mcs being so adamant they could get her back, but it is almost more sick than them dumping her corpse.

xx

Rosiepops said...

So now in addition to the

Gordon Brown
Tony Blair
David Milliband
Jaqi Smith
The Fisherman
The Tapas 7
Pamela Fenn
Pamela Fenn's niece
Jes Wilkins
John corner
Bridget O'Donnell
15 Witnesses
Robert Murat
A Russian on a Yacht
Clarence Mitchell
Michael Wright
Michael Wright's wife
Brian Kennedy
MI5
MI6
Three nannies
Mw Manager
Tony Bennett

Viv now reckons that the whole of the McCann family are involved in this conspiracy?

What about Kate's family? Are they involved too?

Anyone who takes Viv seriously is as deluded as she obviously is!

Rosiepops said...

Oh and add to that list the Portuguese government and the Portuguese Attorney General, and Scotland Yard and the British press, because without them, the McCanns could not have got away with their conspiracy!

Anonymous said...

LOLOLOL

2345 used to make far more sense than Viv

Rosiepops said...

What gets me Anon 23.46, is that if this were true, so many people would have to be sworn to secrecy, not to mention those holding Madeleine.
If this daft conspiracy theory of Viv's were true, someone would have actually spoken by now!

Gina said...

Good morning all.

Although I am still open minded about what happened if I had to give a theory based on what I have read and seen for myself it would be.

Madeleine was abducted but the abductor took her directly from the apartment to a waiting car. He did not carry her through the street. I do not believe Jane Tanner because of her ever changing statements. I cannot actually think of a reason for her to lie but I am working on it. The whole group left their kids, one even left a sick child. Only they know how often they really checked, whether they really bothered to check the McCann apartment when it was their turn. It could well be Tanner is covering for one who should have checked but didn't, so by saying she saw bundleman she put a time on it, eg. abducted after the time of a check that was not made. Only they also know how many times the kids had been left previously. I tend to think they all lived in fear of being investigated and charged with abandonment so they decided the pact of silence the best option. If that is the case, with friends like that who needs enemies.

PS This is only a theory

Rosiepops said...

Morning everyonw,

We are snowed in now! All roads in and out of the village are impassable! The snow hammered down here and we had a few inches fall in just over an hour, it looked like it was stopping but now it is snowing heavily again! Watching a territorial mail blackbird shooing all the other male blackbirds away. I think he is the one that lives in garden, never seen so many blackbirds in the garden all at once. Blackbirds do not usually eat the seed and fat balls we put out, they eat worms, but I think food is so scarce they are getting a bit touchy now.

Mum21 said...

The trouble with Viv is she is totally obsessed by this case. She speaks of Madeleine as if she knew her...which she did not. We all hope and pray that Madeleine is still alive...but having said that we have to remember she is one of thousands of missing children.
To allow this case to take over your life is a recipe to mental disaster. You only have to read the comments made by Viv (all day long and way into the night)on both the 3A's yesterday and her own blog early this morning to see how it has affected her state of mind. It did not matter how much the 3A's ridiculed her (and they did)....or how much they attacked her credibility (and they did)...she came back for more.
Viv is so obsessed with it all that even when there are no members of her blog around...she still keeps posting one long comment after another...mostly made up of copy and paste postings from the 3A's.
This case has taken over Viv's life...which can only lead to mental unstability. I can see it...the 3A's can see it and I am sure all you can see it.
The only person who cannot see it...is Viv herself. And I doubt that she will until it is to late.

Gina said...

Mum

spot on

Mum21 said...

Morning Rosie, it is raining here.
Sounds like the snow is really bad in your area.
A tip for the blackbirds....they love crumbled up cereal. I daily put out two crumbled up weetabix for them. I just throw it on the ground.(or in your case, the snow). You will find the blackbirds and the robins will tuck into it.

Stay warm and safe , Rosie.

Rosiepops said...

Morning Gina,

Very much along the lines I think happened too. JT may have seen someone carrying a child, but this child may not have been Madeleine. Also it was dusk and when dusk falls, that in betwix bit can really play tricks on your eyes. Did you know that officially over 60% of eye witness statements are inaccurate? The official report is that people are not lying, they are just mistaken.
Also things like colours at night are very hard to decipher. Red can look black, white - grey and what appears to be a black car could very well turn out to be red!

I believe the abductors were in the apartment when Gerry checked, they hid, but Gerry returning then was unexpected and him standing in the road talking to Jes Wilkins threw a major spanner in the works.

I believe the plan was to take her out of the patio doors, where they would be less likely to be seen down the steps and a car would pull up, they would get in and off.

Gerry being there with Jes forced a change, they opened the window and passed Madeleine through and I believe the abductor then walked down to where the car was parked and waiting. The car was there all along, so the change came they had to walk to the car, instead of the car coming to them.
I actually believe that JT saw Madeleine being taken away.

I think basically it will be this simple and we know when the truth comes, it will be something very simple. It will not be these highly complicated and seriously convoluted theories, involving abduction or killing be relatives and the swearing to silence up wards of around 60 people. I mean why would they? Why would all these people put their lives, their reputations and their credibility for all time on the line for people they did not know, or hardly knew?

No the truth I believe is simple, Gerry disturbed them, they had to rethink their plan quickly, they did it wasn't ideal and they nearly got caught.

I believe if Goncalo Amaral had bothered to turn up at the scene and the crime scene was cordoned off properly and forensics worked that night, some clues to the kidnappers would have been found and this may have ended very differently!
I also believe that there are a few people in PDL that are involved and some point one of these people is going to talk.

Gina said...

Rosie, I think we are both working along similar theories it is just the fine detail that we may differ on. This out of the window or door is impossible to answer because of the conflicting information that has been release regards the window. I also take on board what you say regards being sure what you saw in bad light, but it just seems odd to me that Tanner seemed to remember more as time went on and was able to give details of pyjamas when originally she did not. Sorry, still think she is a bit iffy!

Mum21 said...

Morning Gina, I have never really had a theory of what happened...except to believe Madeleine was abducted. I do agree it is more than possible that the friends panicked over having left their children.
There is no way that I go along with the theory that the McCanns either killed or kidnapped Madeleine. If they had...then they would be living quietly in the background by now. They would not keep on paying out for investigators etc or keep making appeal videos. They would want to be forgotten...not constantly be in the limelight.

Gina said...

Hi Mum

Good post re viv totally agree.

Re your 9.35 post. I am thinking now along the same lines but as you know I have always thought they went OTT with their publicity and still do. They raised at lot of money, but due to what I consider to be bad advice have wasted a lot of it. I have never seen the need to continue to pay a wage to a spokesman. In fact Pinkie makes me sick, to want paying to help when others willing give donations is shameful IMO.

A miracle has just happened - The builder has just arrived to fix my roof. Getting work done at the moment is difficult because so many people have their properties damaged. Better go put the kettle on

Rosiepops said...

Gina

Did you know that Clarence is not officially their full time spokesman now? Not since October? He just speaks for them as and when required now.

Mum21 said...
Morning Gina, I have never really had a theory of what happened...except to believe Madeleine was abducted. I do agree it is more than possible that the friends panicked over having left their children.
There is no way that I go along with the theory that the McCanns either killed or kidnapped Madeleine. If they had...then they would be living quietly in the background by now. They would not keep on paying out for investigators etc or keep making appeal videos. They would want to be forgotten...not constantly be in the limelight.


This is what I believe also. Why would they constantly make video appeals and pay a top team of retired British detectives if they had Madeleine abducted themselves? It makes absolutely no sense at all, they would run the very, very high risk of being detected by their very own detectives!

Poor Madeleine, if only Paulo Rebelo was on the job right from the start this may have ended very differently. I get so damned angry when I think of Amaral, he is a disgrace to Portugal, he failed Madeleine and he failed her parents, he failed abysmally in his job and now he is making millions of euros out of his spectacular blundering and failures and because of him, there are abductors free to do this to some other poor unsuspecting family, be they Portuguese, British, Spanish, Russian or whatever!

I honestly think that Goncalo Amaral should be officially questioned for his conduct during this investigation and some sort of debriefing should be carried out, in fact I think he should be interrogated harshly under the same conditions he had other innocent people interrogated under, until he tells what in my own opinion I think he knows about this case.
All those buts of information that never made it to the files, all the people he knows should be questioned further and were not and all those people's backgrounds that should have been investigated thoroughly and were not.

After all this, if he is found to have been witholding information then he should be prosecuted and if found guilty, he should be imprisoned for a very long time!

I am sorry but I trust Goncalo Amaral, about as far as I could throw a grand piano!

Gina said...

Rosie, no I did not know the latest on Clarence, but I still feel his fees were OTT for this type of thing.

As I seem to be able to say what I like on here I would like to say this if it is ok with you.

In defence of many antis I think it fair to say that most of them were in beginning only anti McCann due to the fact they left the kids and didn't seem to accept how dangerous it was and nothing more than that. It was only due to Viv's brainwashing they starting talking about murder/kidnap etc. talking about it then went to accusations. This then allowed Viv to have a field day and she should be ashamed of herself. She says she just does it for Madeleine's sake, and if you believe that you will believe anything

Anonymous said...

Rosie, you should know better than get me started on Amaral, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could spit, even in a gale force wind. He was the instigator in the leaks.
Alipio Ribeiro admitted that his officers were leaking stories to the Portuguese press.

Christabel

Gina said...

Rosie/Anon

Is Viv now doubting Gonc too. She has taken the link to proud of the PJ off her site. You had better check what I am saying quickly before she puts it back to try and prove me wrong.

My roof is now on and I am now off
Bye, speak later maybe

Mum21 said...

If Rebelo had been on the case from day one...then I think we may have seen Madeleine back with her parents within weeks of her going missing.
Viv states over and over again that the British police are still investigating the McCanns...but I tend to doubt that very much. After all, the main reason for Amarals sacking from the case was because he blagged to the press that he was not getting the support of the British police because they were siding with the McCanns. That was one of Amarals biggest mistakes and the main reason he was dismissed instantly.
To put it bluntly..Amaral was just not man enough for the job...and it showed. The trouble is..due to his inability to take proper control of the case it gets more unlikely that Madeleine will ever be returned safe and sound.
That man has a lot to answer for.

Gina, Viv is now saying she thinks Amaral was wrong in his theory over Madeleine...and she has stated she does not think he should have written that book.
I have also noticed the link is gone from her blog.

Gina said...

Mum, Nancy has just listed every theory that is under consideration but made no comment on which she thinks is most likely. At least she is at last thinking before posting!! She has friends coming for the weekend and she said she will be discussing the case with them. The lengths some people will go to to entertain their friends!!!:-)

You will notice that I do not comment on my views regards the PJ/UK police methods and tactics. I fear if I do I will say to much and break a confidence.

Rosiepops said...

Gina said...
Rosie, no I did not know the latest on Clarence, but I still feel his fees were OTT for this type of thing.

As I seem to be able to say what I like on here I would like to say this if it is ok with you.

In defence of many antis I think it fair to say that most of them were in beginning only anti McCann due to the fact they left the kids and didn't seem to accept how dangerous it was and nothing more than that. It was only due to Viv's brainwashing they starting talking about murder/kidnap etc. talking about it then went to accusations. This then allowed Viv to have a field day and she should be ashamed of herself. She says she just does it for Madeleine's sake, and if you believe that you will believe anything

06 February 2009 10:44

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That's OK Gina, we would never ask you to break a confidence.

I tend to agree about the antis at the start of this, many seemed just normal pleasant people, but as this thing wore on and they became subjected to the likes of people like Viv, Notdoc, Claudia and Alsabella etc, they gradually had their minds interfered with, only strong minded people like yourself were able to fend that mental attack off.

To be fair to all the pros I know of, we have moved very little in our beliefs, we believe Madeleine was abducted, we believe her parents foolish to leave the children, we think they have paid a dreadful price, but Madeleine has paid the highest price. We believe that the parents have been viciously and personally attacked and their human rights appallingly abused, we believe innocent until proven guilty.

I myself have not changed my view, I always took the view that this case would never come to court because the PJ would never be able to prove anything as there was absolutely no evidence to prove Madeleine was harmed by anyone. I predicted that Goncalo Amaral would lose his job, in fact I called for his removal daily on the DX.

I can actually understand why people are angry at the way the children were left, however, I think that for most reasonable people their anger was more sheer frustration.

Frustrated at the children being left and Madeleine and her siblings being left in this position, i think people did not wish these parents harm, but they were incredibly frustrated and with the media and minute by minute news, this just stoked their frustration even more.

Personally, I think the McCanns done no more or less than a lot of people do on holiday, yes they could have paid for a babysitter, but maybe they were worried about a stranger looking after their children, after all I would not leave my children in the care of someone I did not know. I think they probably bathed them, fed them, settled them to sleep and then checked on them and genuinely thought this was the safest option, I do not blame them for thinking this.

They did not ham their child, no matter the rights and wrongs, they had the right to be able to have their child stay safe where they had left her, without her being abducted.

But I can understand why people feel the way they do. But I really think this issue needs to be put to bed now and the onus for Madeleine's abduction be placed where it needs to be place, on the person or person that took Madeleine.

I agree with you, Viv does not do this for Madeleine's sake, if she did she would not abuse her parents the way she does, accusing them of the most heinous of things.

I don't know how her posters can afford her any credibility at all, with all these sudden changes.

Mum21 said...

Hi Gina and Rosie,

As I have said many times I personally do not agree with leaving children alone...but I also agree many parents do when staying in a holiday resort. Even in Butlins it has been an accepted thing to do for years. You put the children to bed then pay for a member of staff to listen at the door every so often. They don't go into the chalet...they simply listen at the door.
Hopefully now people will think twice before they do this.

Gina I fully understand why you do not discuss the UK police/PJ...a confidence should not be broken.

Mum21 said...

I personally believe Viv is ill. No sane person takes the insults she has taken recently...and keeps returning for more.
For some reason or other she has become addicted to the 3A's...and just cannot stay away. They don't want her there...they have made that very obvious. But she is constantly drawn back.

She is either very sick...or a glutton for punishment.

Anonymous said...

Mum21 said...
I personally believe Viv is ill. No sane person takes the insults she has taken recently...and keeps returning for more.
For some reason or other she has become addicted to the 3A's...and just cannot stay away. They don't want her there...they have made that very obvious. But she is constantly drawn back.

She is either very sick...or a glutton for punishment.

06 February 2009 15:12

There is somthing not right with this "supposed fallout" with vile on 3A's.
Why are the admin so scared of Vile on there, they don't kick her off. Others have been kicked off, myself included for a lot lot less than her rubbish. No backbone Bren?
You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you don't bloody fool me lol.

Anonymous said...

I agree with you, Viv does not do this for Madeleine's sake, .
NOR DO YOU

christabel said...

Bet you didn't know this Rosie PMSL.

Michael Wright is a relative of Kate's by marriage, his wife's mother is the sister of Kate's mother and lives in the Isle of Man, lots of people think this is Rosie?
...........................

She would say lots of people wouldn't she? All those IP's it must be hard to keep up.DUH!
Can I put her out of her misery yet Rosie?

Anonymous said...

making silly jealous little posts?

JEALOUS OF WHAT EXACTLY? YOU? PMSL

Rosiepops said...

Anon 18.57

'Grow Up'.

Rosiepops said...

Anon 18.31

Are you psychic saddo?

Mum21 said...

Anonymous said...
making silly jealous little posts?

JEALOUS OF WHAT EXACTLY? YOU? PMSL

06 February 2009 18:57

You just proved it by your jealous little post above. Now I am PMSL

Mum21 said...

Anonymous said...
I agree with you, Viv does not do this for Madeleine's sake, .
NOR DO YOU

06 February 2009 18:31

How would you know? The door is now locked on our forum.

Rosiepops said...

Hi Mum

She always shouts too, as ignorant as the day is long.

Chris, no keep them guessing, they may like surprises lol

Rosiepops said...

Mum doesn't stop her hanging around it like a bad smell.

They think we do not know who is visiting the forum because they come in by a stupid little proxy server. So silly, so very silly, they may just as well use their real name, we know who it is anyway.

Mum21 said...

Yes, Chris...keep them guessing.
OMG are they in for a surprise soon :-)

Mum21 said...

I agree Rosie...I can smell her from here.

Anonymous said...

Rosiepops said...
Hi Mum

She always shouts too, as ignorant as the day is long.

Chris, no keep them guessing, they may like surprises lol

06 February 2009 21:48

Mum21 said...
Yes, Chris...keep them guessing.
OMG are they in for a surprise soon :-)

06 February 2009 21:56


AW YA PAIR OF SPOIL SPORTS !!!

Christabel

Rosiepops said...

Mum her frantic little fingers are clicking away at her keyboard, as her bitterness and frustration totally consume her.

Must be on her own again tonight, so she thought she would come on here and take her frustrations out on us hic - rotflmao

Rosiepops said...

eddie and keela
Published: Tuesday February 26,2008 by ratonthebeam
Funny how their work in Jersey in amazing, unparalleled and 100% accurate; only in Portugal, they were apparently sidetracked by rotting chickens and dirty nappies.

Which is it?


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Which is it? er actually prat, Eddie and Keela were not 100% accurate in Jersey, they were actually 100% incorrect.

I think you are 'barking' up the wrong tree as well as being 'barking' mad, your posts are getting a little 'dogged'.

Anonymous said...

See Viv's latest thread on the 3As about Rosie has had great success. 175 views and only 5 comments and 3of them are from her. Dearie dearie me.

Anonymous said...

"Yes, Chris...keep them guessing.
OMG are they in for a surprise soon :-)"

'bout mid March, by my calculations!

Rosiepops said...

To the Anon who used to post on Viv's site, who wrote to me privately.

No it is not quite like that, most do make it through but some are just so ridiculous that they are not worth the effort.

We have actually wondered lately, if what we are seeing is actually true or if it is a put up job, meant to fool people. Time will tell. You are right about the other people re thinking their positions though!
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To the other Anon who used to post on Viv's site who signs them-self as Anonymous C.

Please do not worry, nothing you say to us in private will ever be revealed. If you get yourself a throw away email address, we will be able to contact you directly.
Meanwhile, just take a step back and try not to worry, I can tell that you are very worried, but please do not be.

Rosiepops said...

ShuBob

Post subject: Re: Game for a laugh? Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:17 am


Replies: 30
Views: 536

Why do certain posters give this rosiepops person oxygen? Is it so difficult to ignore him/her?

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Shubob

I do not come on your forum demanding people take notice of me.
Why don't you ask Viv why she is so ridiculously fixated on me and insists on taking perfectly innocent remarks of mine and putting them up for discussion on your forum?

Haven't you lot got anything better to debate than me?

Yesterday alone Viv said I was, Kate's Aunt, Michael Wright and Phil. Can't you see the woman is barking mad?

If it annoys you so much, perhaps the better answer would be for Bren and Bonni to ban her.

You should be able to see for yourselves by now that Viv is a narcissist, a nasty drunken trouble maker. She has cause bickering, backbiting on your forum and has been the sole cause of two threads being locked.

The lies she tells about me, she also tells about Tony Bennett, Bonnibraes and Bren and anyone else that has the sheer audacity to disagree with her and see right through her narcissistic nonsense.

If the 3 A's wants to give oxygen to the fantasist who has lied through her yellow teeth for the past 18 months, telling everyone she was a solicitor, why blame me?

I do not ask her to keep posting what I say on your forum, she may think what I say is important, however I do not. My views are no more important or pertinent than anyone else's.

Don't blame me for what YOU on the 3 A's allow Viv to do.

This is what Viv does, she makes trouble on your forum and then when she cannot get out of it,she blames me!

It is ludicrous, if you are keeping her for entertainment value, that is fine and you prerogative,however it is nothing yo do with me! I have no truck with anyone of you over there, if it were not for Viv, I suspect we would not even bother with each other that much.

christabel said...

vee8 said...
"Yes, Chris...keep them guessing.
OMG are they in for a surprise soon :-)"

'bout mid March, by my calculations!

07 February 2009 14:35

PMSL Vee, is that the earliest?
Suppose I can wait that long if I have to lol.

Mum21 said...

Here is the response Viv got to the thread she started on the 3A's today taking the p-iss out of a comment made by Rosiepops. Wizard we have to remember is a member of Viv's blog.....and although I rarely agree with what he/she says I do find this to be a sensible and fair comment.

But I have to admit it sure would have got up Viv's big nose!
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wizard Post subject: Re: Game for a laugh?Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:44 pm

Suspect


Joined: Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:32 pm
Posts: 149

Rospiepops theory is not one I go along with however she does make some sound points.
She comments on the mystery surrounding what actually happened by saying.
“I think basically it will be this simple and we know when the truth comes, it will be something very simple.”
I totally agree – it is unlikely to be a convoluted conspiracy.

I also think she is right to say. “…if…….the scene and the crime scene was cordoned off properly and forensics worked that night, some clues …….would have been found and this may have ended very differently!”
It would also be very true to say.
”I also believe that there are a few people in PDL that are involved and at some point one of these people is going to talk.”
On this last quote I would differ in respect to the people she was referring to and think they are no longer in PDL but in England.

I often complain that the pro- McCann bloggers very rarely give opinions on what happened on the evening of 3rd May. So it is refreshing to hear one of their theories, I don’t believe this particular theory but it is still good to look at another viewpoint to the one I hold.

Mum21 said...

Oh dear Viv...we just take the pi-s out of your stupidity...but the 3A's appear to be getting very fed up with you. :-)))))

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otleepseely Post subject: Re: Bennett, Lies and SacrilegePosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:02 pm

Mafia Boss

Joined: Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:23 pm
Posts: 2714

Viv:
I didn't say I was not concerned about Maddie.

You posted and told me not to worry about IT (another theory) then you post that you are worried about her???? Sorry but sometimes I do not understand what you are talking about.

Whatever it is please do not try and make something out of my posts which is not there.

ETA, I am not going to reply to any more of your posts on this thread viv.

Anonymous said...

for Vile viv, 3a's and all the other evil doers on the internet,

"Beware the Ides of March!"

Rosiepops said...

Hi Everyone to ensure that those on the 3A's know, it was me that just posted on their forum, here is a copy of it.

I do not expect the post to remain or that I will still have my account with them for too much longer but I felt I had to do something drastic as I just got sick of the lies and the trouble making of Viv.

I registered as JayJay because I thought if I entered Rosiepops into the field over there it may cause the system to have an apoplectic fit - lol
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JayJay Post subject: Re: Game for a laugh?Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 6:23 pm

New In Town

Joined: Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:46 pm
Posts: 1 Hi Everyone

The dreaded Rosiepops here. (please don't all duck, I am really not that bad)


The reason why I come here, is to tell you that I have no truck with anyone at all on this forum and do not wish to keep this ridiculous nonsense feuding up, it gets people nowhere. At the end of the day we are all of us people with differing opinions and should be able to discuss them without it resulting in the kind of thing that Viv is now using your forum for, which ostensibly is to get at me.

Viv has been stalking me for a great many months now, you only have to read her blog to understand this. Viv got banned permanently from the DX because she could not keep her hatred of me ( a person she has never met) in check and she also posted links to another posters personal details, this poster a retired police officer's crime was to ask her a question and disagree with her.

I am not going to paint myself as whiter than white because I have retaliated to her, when I know better sense would have been to totally ignore her. Mainly these days I do try and ignore her, I no longer read her blog and haven't for weeks, the only posts I read from there are those brought over and posted on our blog.
I do read here sometimes because I do find some of the posts quite interesting.

Viv knows I no longer read her blog, so to keep her obsession with doing me personal harm up, she has come here to use the you all and your forum because she knows there is a chance that I will read her nonsense.

Viv's style is to cause as much trouble as she can, heaven knows why, it is just what she does. You need not believe me, you need only to look at her history since she came here, she has caused bickering, backbiting, arguments and has been the reason why two threads have been locked down and on this thread a mod has already warned it may be locked too.

Viv will personally attack anyone she sees as getting more attention than her, or anyone she thinks is a threat to her. Again you need not take my word for it, look at what she said about one of your own Mods Bonni, she actually accused Bonni of being me! (Sorry Bonni I know this must fill you with horror - lol
Look at what Viv said about Tony Bennett! Now I disagree with Tony vehemently, but I do not for one minute think he is in cahoots with Clarence Mitchell and as for Viv writing that she thinks Tony, (a Christian man) made a pact with the devil, is absolutely outrageous and highly offensive.
When she cause all these problems on here with this and got into trouble with the posters here, astonishingly she turned around and blamed me for what she had written and what she had posted on her blog, yet somehow, she thought you were all stupid enough to believe that this was somehow my fault!

I do not want or require you to give me oxygen and why should I be insulted because Viv has taken a perfectly innocent post from my blog and brought it over here, not for debate, or to debate any serious points that may have been raised, but her sole reason in doing this was to cause me embarrassment by hoping that you will all ridicule it and me. Please bear in mind, or those of you that think I am being given oxygen, I do not ask Viv, or even want Viv to take my posts off of my blog and bring them here, she does this all by herself to suit her own agenda.

Just yesterday Viv accused me of being Jon Corner, Michael Wright and Kate's aunt, she has also on other times accused me of being Phil McCann and Gerry etc etc.
Viv has also been changing her mind all the time recently and has been coming out with the most ridiculous things, but this is not my fault.

I wish to make it known that I am not related to the McCanns, I am not a friend of the McCanns, I am in now way connected with the McCanns.

Viv has a narcissistic personality, I do not have to prove it to you, a visit to her blog will demonstrate this. She has accused my of being many things, some really dreadful things too which I wont bore you with.

I just wanted to let you know that nothing this woman says I say can be trusted as being the truth, I am afraid that Viv is a liar and a fantasist, for proof of this, please realise that for the last 18 months she has allowed people to think she is an ex solicitor, when you people on here refused to believe her because you saw through her, she suddenly said that she never once said she was a solicitor, she played on semantics and said she was lawyer. Now the majority of people would think the word lawyer means she is trained in legal matters, she allowed people to think this.

I just wanted to put the record straight. I apologise for crashing your forum, it will not happen again and I fully expect you to suspend this account and this is fine by me.

I just think this silly nonsensical feuding has gone on for far too long already. Thanks for your time

Kind Regards

The Dreaded Rosie

Rosiepops said...

viv Post subject: Re: Game for a laugh?Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:57 pm

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Posts: 712 Very odd for such an intelligent little lady to just keep really quiet whilst they manhandle her through the window with Daddy standing right outside. You know these abductors must be pretty thick guys


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You see this just shows how much Viv 'thinks' she knows and how much she actually 'does not' know.

If Madeleine cried (and we do not know that she did, or if means were used to ensure she did not cry).

However, the window in question which was open, actually opened into the car park and so if Madeleine did cry, why would Gerry hear her from where he was standing?

There are also plenty of places an abductor/s could hide in that apartment.

I did not say this is what happened, I said this is what may have happened.

I try to stay away from complicated stories.

I firmly believe that the truth will come out and it will come when someone talks and that truth is going to be very simple.

Someone knows what happened to Madeleine, I believe they live in PDL, others may believe differently and this may be the case, I only know what I think and what I think is no more valid than anyone else's thoughts.

One other thing I think, is that Viv does not care for Madeleine, she just uses Madeleine for entertainment and for starting wars and vendettas against people with, Viv is nasty and spiteful and cares for no one but herself.

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